In no way fits the trope.: Chronic Backstabbing Disorder

Because it would honestly be better than the Ocelot lampshade.

It however carries the chance of the thread lasting nigh forever.
Maybe we should put up what we have and have enough support? (5 good enough vs 1 dislike)

edited 18th Sep '11 9:46:25 PM by Adannor

Lu Bu is a very good example he doesnt do anything without betraying someone.... and I do remember a good example in the web comic however it seems that the website went to the crapper.

edited 18th Sep '11 9:48:40 PM by Raso

Who in the fuck is Lu Bu?

Personally, I don't find any image necessary, but that's just me.

^^He seems to have been a minor warlord in ancient China.

edited 6th Oct '11 7:40:39 PM by petrie911

I like the Ocelot image, but I'm biased because of being a fan of that webcomic. Also, in response to Spark 9 - while the image may not totally fit the example, the character very much does, he just doesn't do any non-literal backstabbing until later.

Also, it's the image of the Trope Namer, and until I see any other images I'm going to vote for putting it up, unless people really think no image at all is better.

Anyone ever heard of Xellos from Slayers? No matter how much he likes you, he'll turn on you in an instant if it'll benefit him at all.

He rarely does anything that could be easily shown to be backstabbing.

edited 7th Dec '11 8:18:15 PM by Adannor

What we need is a flow chart that shows various examples of a character backstabbing others.

Yes, that's the ideal, but nobody provided any such collections.

Can we get a finalisation and close the thread at last with "good for now" on Ocelot◊? It's been half a year.

edited 26th Jan '12 9:01:27 AM by Adannor

Gotta say I'm opposed to the "chronic backstabbing disorder" comic, for tons of reasons.

First, the art quality is just terrible. Yes, I know this is a subjective point, but it is.

Second, more importantly, it fails to actually illustrate the trope. At all. It uses the term and it makes a reference to a character who (I assume) you'd know to be a frequent a traitor if you knew it, but neither of these things make it any good as an image. In fact, using the trope name without illustrating it is actively bad, since it gives the wrong impression.

Third, most importantly, it will be totally impossible to read the text if it's scaled down to a reasonable size — unless you cut out absolutely everything but the words 'chronic backstabbing disorder' and focus on that, in which case it will convey absolutely nothing.

It's a terrible, terrible image, and (while I didn't like the old one, either), it's sharply worse than every other image in this thread, including the old one and several avatars. I'm mildly bemused that it's attracted even a single voice in support.

It almost aggressively has every single thing wrong with it that a page image could have. I strongly feel that no image at all would be preferable to that one. Failing that, the original image would be preferable. Failing that, any avatar from this thread would be preferable, including mine. Conveying no information at all is better than just showing a random, inexplicable image that happens to have the trope name in it.

edited 1st Feb '12 12:53:21 AM by Aquillion

1)Subjective.
2)The character reflexively tries to backstab another at the first opportunity and has to restrain himself. That's pretty illustrative.
3)It has already been downscaled to allowed size with all text perfectly readable.

Other images? Avatars? What are you talking about, the only other image was the pulled one.

Considering your opening statement, I'm just seeing a giant load of hate for the comic :D

edited 1st Feb '12 12:54:16 AM by Adannor

Lock but "no consensus, no action to be taken based on this thread", IMO.

The image shows one random guy reflexively trying to physically backstab another random guy. That confusion is exactly the reason the original image was pulled! If it requires knowing the identity or relationship of the characters in the image, it's a bad image. Without that knowledge, nothing about that image suggests 'betrayal' in any way, shape, or form, so it doesn't illustrate the trope at all.

It's also not scaled down nearly far enough. Even if 350 is technically the maximum allowed width for an image, 350x500 is huge — it would occupy most of the space at the top of the page and would probably be longer than the trope description.

And while, yes, art is subjective, that's part of the reason we have this thread! If we could determine which image was best using a rigid set of objective rules, we wouldn't need to be here discussing it. Style is important in T Vtropes, too. With text, we can constantly edit and revise it to produce shining prose. With images, we can't — all we can do is replace it with a better image. And by asking to close this thread with that image, you're asking us to make it so we can't replace that image anymore without starting a new thread.

That would be a mistake. "It's sort of ok since we can't find anything better" is not enough for a binding decision. (Mind you, I disagree that that image even meets that low standard — I feel nothing at all would be superior; not every trope is suitable for an image.) We have to get something that's stylish and which makes the page look good — especially if we're going to use a thread to make a 'final decision' like this. Crude MS paint art doesn't meet the standard. This is especially true with such a gigantic image.

If nobody is willing to spend the time necessary to make a good image, just leave it image-less. It's not the end of the world.

edited 1st Feb '12 1:09:08 AM by Aquillion

Here is what it would look like: Sandbox.Chronic Backstabbing Disorder. The image is huge, wordy, and doesn't show the trope.

edited 11th Feb '12 2:26:00 AM by rodneyAnonymous

Bump.

Clocking.

Maybe finish it off with a crowner? There were plenty of voices for the expanded image.

Fine with me; hooked the blank crowner, no time right now to fill.

Crowner's filled; vote away.

Bump for votes; right now "no image" is in the green.

...Isn't this trope about a guy who betrays pretty much everyone he meets? The problem with using a literal image of a stab to the back is that this trope isn't about stabbing people, and such an image is misleading.

I think this trope is picturable, but I've seen no suggestions that fit the actual trope description. Voted for no image.

We only have two options though...

Only one image was suggested, and it's not very good.