Kara No Kyoukai

Precisely. This applies quite heavily in Kn K as well.

• Souren Araya's origin is Stillness, and he uses this with that neat three-layer movable bounded field thingy. It stops things from moving, hence actualising 'Stillness' onto the target. This is what screws him over at the end of Paradox Spiral.

• Azaka Kokutou's origin is Taboo, as in, operations contrary to societal norms. Hence, the bro-con.

I'm not sure if Azaka is aware of her Origin in-story or if it's just something Nasu confirmed in interviews. Araya is certainly aware of his - hell, he pretty much goes around telling people what theirs are.

I watched both the fifth movie and the novel twice but STILL don't quite get how Araya managed to survive getting stabbed in the neck and survive getting stabbed at the point of death once and then die the second time. Maybe it's just that I don't get his origin.

@dRoy: You know how in the Nasuverse, things get stronger as they grow older? The Mystic Eyes of Death Perception isn't instant death - it takes time to reverse all the history accumulated by the object. Add to that his origin of "stillness", Araya becomes incredibly hard to take down, even with the Eyes.

Entropy can't act on something that isn't moving, or something like that. That was the explanation they gave on Araya's Origin.

edited 16th Aug '11 2:58:47 AM by LiberatedLiberater

Was it explained in KNK-verse? Also, I'm not sure if they are the same thing but didn't Tsukihime!Shiki managed to kill Nero Chaos who lived for really long time? Lastly, how did Arays managed to live that long to begin with?

Don't forget that he grafted a Buddha's hand onto his left arm. That was able to block the M Eo DP to an extent. In the novel, Shiki actually makes a comment that Araya's 'lines' look very different to those of normal people - instead of being all over the body, they're concentrated in a spiral pattern in his chest. IIRC.

Refer to the discussion on the previous page. Having an active origin can help a person perform magecraft to a certain extent. It seems Araya's origin allowed his body to remain in a "still" state, kinda like being preserved. It's not true immortality - he's just living on borrowed time.

As for Nero, he's a mass of beasts. You just need to kill the center in order to kill everything else. I think that's what he did.

edited 16th Aug '11 3:02:13 AM by LiberatedLiberater

I'm not sure I understand that...

That reminds me; Shiki cut the arm off the first time, which got stuck back together. Then why did he try to grab her head again with the other arm, which didn't have such massive stat boost?

edited 16th Aug '11 3:04:26 AM by dRoy

"Stillness" as in "unchanging". His origin resists change so it's hard for him to die. It's related to the theme of that story in general: his life is the same moment eternally repeating, metaphorically. Or something like that.

ITS MAGIC I AINT GOTTA EXPLAIN SHIT

Really, it's just that he stopped aging through magic.

Yep. As I recall, Shiki gets chewed up a fair bit, then goes into Nanaya-mode and stabs the ever-loving shit out of NRVNQSR's 'Ultimate Point'. True to Nasuverse logic, Chaos actually hangs around for a minute or so afterwards, due to the time taken to kill the history of the hundreds of years he's been alive.

edited 16th Aug '11 3:07:36 AM by RiotousRascal

Then why and how did he die at the end of the movie?

You know what, screw this, I'm going with that explanation.

By the way, what does it mean by "accumulated history?"

edited 16th Aug '11 3:08:06 AM by dRoy

Because of the Mystic Eyes of Motherfucking Death Perception, that's how.

"Accumulated History" is a Nasu Verse thing. Basically, as objects exist, they accumulate experiences. This is a plot point in Overlooking View (KNK #1) - the reason the 'ghosts' are there is because while the girls who committed suicide are dead, their 'history' - the aggregate total of their life experiences which could, technically, be called their 'mind', remained after death, creating the ghosts. They're information echoes, and they hang around because the Fujyou building has a weird relationship with time. Touko explains all this in the book, I think.

edited 16th Aug '11 3:11:21 AM by RiotousRascal

Yeah, I think what happened to Nero was the same thing that happened to Araya.

Accumulated history is just that. The older an object, the more knowledge and form it acquires, and thus it takes more to kill it through unnatural means.

The way the Eyes work, it undoes all the history of an object. That's why it takes longer for something old to die through the Eyes.

edited 16th Aug '11 3:13:40 AM by LiberatedLiberater

Hold on, so Shiki didn't see Araya's weak point during first encounter so she stabbed him in the neck, which he survived and got....frozen or something for a while then wake up a bit later somehow. But during the second encounter, she, mostly likely due to her third personality awakening, manages to see Araya's weak point and stab it...which he survived the first time but got killed by the second time.

I'm confused, really.

Better explanation than mine. Remember that sword Shiki gets in Paradox Spiral? Touko tells her not to take it out inside the office. The sword is old, and because of its accumulated 'history', it can cut through bounded fields. In short, Older is Better when it comes to weapons.

edited 16th Aug '11 3:13:37 AM by RiotousRascal

Aaaaahhh, now I get it. So Araya is freaking old so it took a weapon that is even older to overcome his stat buff resulted from his accumulated history, correct?

The thing with the first time Araya was stabbed, I think Shiki didn't have enough to comprehend Araya's "death". After being in contact with the Akasha, she was able to do so, allowing her to kill Araya. At least that's how I understood it. In addition to that, Shiki had her third personality awakened after being in contact with the Void.

The accumulated history thing comes into play the second time he's stabbed - he's able to stay alive for ten minutes more after being stabbed.

edited 16th Aug '11 3:17:39 AM by LiberatedLiberater

Yeah, but I thought history still mattered more than age. Which is almost the same thing.

That makes enough sense, I suppose.

edited 16th Aug '11 3:17:19 AM by dRoy

The only place in the universe where all of this makes any god damn sense is within the confines of Kinoko Nasu's brain, so let's just leave it at that.

Yeah, KNK is THE most headache inducing fantasy I encountered so far. I think the worst was the last some pages of the sixth novel. Damn, my brain.

I dunno. I thought it made enough sense. Granted, it took some meta knowledge to get there, but whatever.

What do you mean by meta knowledge?

Knowledge not obtained diegetically - i.e., stuff Nasu has said in one of his many, many interviews clarifying things.

Type-Moon wiki is your friend.