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Zolnier The Odd Lad from A suspiciously dull shop Since: Apr, 2009
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#1: Jun 3rd 2011 at 3:07:51 AM

Okay I've got two characters who spent their first eight years on an isolated manor with an evil grandmother, they killed her, escaped, were found on the streets and placed in foster care. Know they're being sent to school, they don't have an education beyond reading and times tables, and have never interacted with other children before. Likely difficulties?

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#2: Jun 3rd 2011 at 3:12:42 AM

They won't get sarcasm.

They won't get slang.

Won't know celebrities.

Won't get the subtler points of school (for example, when I went to sixth grade public, after a year and a half of homeschooling, I was baffled by the fact I had to actually keep my notes, since I was a listen-and-absorb type of person. Ended up getting a 0 on a science test because all the questions were like "on page 6 of your notes...")

If raised with at least some respect for the rules, won't understand that some rules are "OK" to break in school.

If they know a lot about a particular subject (maybe due to interests) they might not realize other people don't know it.

Be very sensitive to cursing and insults.

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#3: Jun 3rd 2011 at 3:14:09 AM

Alternatively, given their abusive upbringing, they might regard all rules as arbitrary and have a problem with authority, getting themselves into trouble.

edited 3rd Jun '11 3:14:18 AM by BobbyG

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Zolnier The Odd Lad from A suspiciously dull shop Since: Apr, 2009
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#4: Jun 3rd 2011 at 3:14:22 AM

Well due to the constant abuse from their Gran they probably have Reactive Attachmant Disorder.

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#5: Jun 3rd 2011 at 3:15:31 AM

Depends on the abuse. All types of abuse are different. Just because you hate someone, doesn't mean you are fully aware of how much they did or said was "wrong" or "right"

But yeah, I'm just going by in general things. You need to tailor them to fit your work.

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Zolnier The Odd Lad from A suspiciously dull shop Since: Apr, 2009
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#6: Jun 3rd 2011 at 3:29:44 AM

Well Jack hides his emotions, is pretty introverted and shy, but cunning and adaptable. Piper is very abrasive and angry, prone to lashing out, manipulitive, stubborn.

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Zolnier The Odd Lad from A suspiciously dull shop Since: Apr, 2009
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#7: Jun 3rd 2011 at 4:49:35 AM

So anything that could get them bullied?

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Zolnier The Odd Lad from A suspiciously dull shop Since: Apr, 2009
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#9: Jun 3rd 2011 at 4:56:07 AM

So what subjects do you think would be hardest to an eight year who'd never been taught them?

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#10: Jun 3rd 2011 at 4:58:30 AM

That depends largely on their individual interests and learning types.

If all they learned of mathematics previously was their times tables, they are probably innumerate, so math and math-related subjects like physics and chemistry will likely be difficult for them.

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Zolnier The Odd Lad from A suspiciously dull shop Since: Apr, 2009
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#11: Jun 3rd 2011 at 4:59:50 AM

How might they react to interacting with other children for the first time? Also the kid's are part fair folk, any ways that could affect it?

edited 3rd Jun '11 5:14:12 AM by Zolnier

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Zolnier The Odd Lad from A suspiciously dull shop Since: Apr, 2009
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#13: Jun 3rd 2011 at 5:40:00 AM

Standard mythology, a bit watered down because of human blood. Check the thread fairy human hybrids in world building.

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#14: Jun 3rd 2011 at 6:28:01 AM

The traditional portrayal of The Fair Folk is actually extremely variable, but their sheer otherness is a nigh universal quality. That is to say, these kids are probably going to seem extremely odd (maybe even sinister), and kids are not known for their tolerance of oddness.

Jack could probably make friends with easygoing kids, but as he's shy, then somebody will probably need to actually extend an offer of friendship to him. Alternatively, he could wind up a loner, but if so he sounds like a difficult person to provoke or wound, so he will probably be regarded positively by some of his classmates.

Piper is likely a lot more belligerant, and will probably attract bullies. This may in turn draw negative attention towards Jack as well.

Of course, if these kids are part fair folk, bullying them is probably a grave mistake.

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#15: Jun 3rd 2011 at 6:36:30 AM

So how might they get along with foster siblings?

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#16: Jun 3rd 2011 at 7:39:14 AM

How might the abuse affect their interactions?

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#17: Jun 3rd 2011 at 7:59:37 AM

From this site:

Children who experience rejection or neglect are more likely to develop antisocial traits as they grow up. Parental neglect is also associated with borderline personality disorders and violent behavior (Schore, 2003).
Behavioral Consequences

Not all victims of child abuse and neglect will experience behavioral consequences. However, behavioral problems appear to be more likely among this group, even at a young age. An NSCAW survey of children ages 3 to 5 in foster care found these children displayed clinical or borderline levels of behavioral problems at a rate of more than twice that of the general population (ACF, 2004b). Later in life, child abuse and neglect appear to make the following more likely:

Difficulties during adolescence. Studies have found abused and neglected children to be at least 25 percent more likely to experience problems such as delinquency, teen pregnancy, low academic achievement, drug use, and mental health problems (Kelley, Thornberry, & Smith, 1997). Other studies suggest that abused or neglected children are more likely to engage in sexual risk-taking as they reach adolescence, thereby increasing their chances of contracting a sexually transmitted disease (Johnson, Rew, & Sternglanz, 2006).

Juvenile delinquency and adult criminality. According to a National Institute of Justice study, abused and neglected children were 11 times more likely to be arrested for criminal behavior as a juvenile, 2.7 times more likely to be arrested for violent and criminal behavior as an adult, and 3.1 times more likely to be arrested for one of many forms of violent crime (juvenile or adult) (English, Widom, & Brandford, 2004).

Alcohol and other drug abuse. Research consistently reflects an increased likelihood that abused and neglected children will smoke cigarettes, abuse alcohol, or take illicit drugs during their lifetime (Dube et al., 2001). According to a report from the National Institute on Drug Abuse, as many as two-thirds of people in drug treatment programs reported being abused as children (Swan, 1998).

Abusive behavior. Abusive parents often have experienced abuse during their own childhoods. It is estimated approximately one-third of abused and neglected children will eventually victimize their own children (Prevent Child Abuse New York, 2003).

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Zolnier The Odd Lad from A suspiciously dull shop Since: Apr, 2009
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#18: Jun 3rd 2011 at 8:01:48 AM

So think the magic might affect their situation much?

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#19: Jun 3rd 2011 at 8:09:28 AM

Well, that's a fantasy element, so it's up to you, isn't it? It's something to factor into the equation. I'd imagine it would affect how they see themselves, and increase their ability for destructive behaviour.

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Zolnier The Odd Lad from A suspiciously dull shop Since: Apr, 2009
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#20: Jun 3rd 2011 at 8:12:11 AM

They were told by their gran that magic is normal.

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#21: Jun 3rd 2011 at 8:16:50 AM

So they'll unexpectedly find themselves having a substantial advantage over the other kids due to something they previously took for granted. That could be an interesting surprise. Might even go to their heads.

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Zolnier The Odd Lad from A suspiciously dull shop Since: Apr, 2009
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#22: Jun 3rd 2011 at 8:22:23 AM

Any damaging lies they could have been fed about the outside world?

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Zolnier The Odd Lad from A suspiciously dull shop Since: Apr, 2009
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#23: Jun 3rd 2011 at 9:35:52 AM

Also do Jack and Piper's perosnalities sound plausible for victems of abuse and isolation?

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#24: Jun 3rd 2011 at 11:35:38 AM

Can you answer any of these questions for yourself?

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