Race- Privilege, Relations, Racism, etc.

Europe has kinda had a couple thousand years to work there problems out.... and multiple extremely bloody wars on there home soil.

They kind of have experiance with things going bad at this point, and all the more incentive to not do that.

edited 26th Apr '18 10:38:17 PM by Imca

Also less isolated areas just due to space.

My take on the issue is two fold:

• It's not especially surprising because white teenagers in America are often dumb and racist.
• There's nothing which probably couldn't be fixed by telling him he's an idiot and giving him detention.

edited 26th Apr '18 11:41:40 PM by CharlesPhipps

If anything is better he did something stupid and racist as teen that doing so as adult because at least is one of those awfull stuff some people do as teens that in theory they can grow up....

In theory, of course.

Of course, the idiot did it online. And nothing online goes away. Future employers will look him up and see this.

edited 27th Apr '18 12:39:37 AM by M84

Depends.

A huge amount of the sites we thought would be bedrocks of the internet 5 years ago have vanished along with all of their data.

At least we can count on Facebook still being alive, that site has survived more scandals than it should in practice.

Facebook will survive until it's shut down for criminal conspiracy...which will require Senators who aren't tech-idiots.

American culture has undergone nothing short of revolutionary change since the mid 20th century, in large part due to the Civil Rights and similar movements. Hell, the popular treatment of sexual abuse alone has undergone a sea change in just the last few years.

edited 27th Apr '18 10:21:17 AM by DeMarquis

Frankly I am highly skeptical that European countries are less racist then the US, just look at the migrant crisis. Foreign people started coming in and there was an explosion of the far-right. The US absolutely has deep and enduring racism but lets not idolize Europe.

Europe is a lot more homogeneous than the US, so racist attitudes often go unnoticed. They haven't really been forced to confront it the same way the US has.

They certainly looks better than it. Europe certainly looks like a Leftist (read as: morally decent) paradise compared to USA.

Europe? homogeneous?

edited 27th Apr '18 10:27:46 AM by KazuyaProta

I'd argue that it's starting to happen with immigration from Muslim countries. I remember watching the riots where thousands of cars were burned in Paris and thinking, "You know, this is awfully damn familiar looking."

edited 27th Apr '18 10:28:26 AM by CharlesPhipps

Let's not generalize a continent.

Yes they look better, doesn't mean they are. Not to mention that Europe is not a hive mind and I highly doubt the far-right governments in Eastern Europe count as 'leftist paradises'.

Thus "Europe is less racist then the US" is a convenient fiction but not one that's especially accurate.

I was referring to the 2005 French Riots for clarification.

Also, immigration in the USA tends to go through cycles. One of the things in Murder On the Orient Express was Poirot figuring out all of the people on the train had to be Americans because nowhere in Europe would such a diverse assortment be tolerated.

edited 27th Apr '18 10:32:10 AM by CharlesPhipps

Compared to the US, Europe is much less ethnically diverse. That's part of why the migrant wave has inspired such backlash, and part of why racist attitudes can sneak by.

edited 27th Apr '18 10:32:53 AM by archonspeaks

Racism is an output of common human cognitive biases, and is deeply ingrained in every country in the world. Everyone is more or less equally racist, although not everyone is equally willing to admit it.

Ok I am extremely skeptical of that, yes implicit bias is common and it's not necessarily wrong to say that everyone has it to one degree or another but it is beyond wrong to suggest that everyone has it in equal amounts.

Not to mention that defacto explicit racism is something that one can absolutely lack and is far worse than low levels of implicit racism.

edited 27th Apr '18 12:13:06 PM by Fourthspartan56

I think racism is an easy form of tribalism and it's important to note race isn't a real thing. The goal posts of it are always shifting and changing.

Because it's "who is part of Group X" and "Does Y identify as group X?" and do we label them.

Sometimes yes, sometimes no,

edited 27th Apr '18 12:27:38 PM by CharlesPhipps

@Fourthspartan: Gunna disagree with you there buddy—racism (and prejudice in general) is a spectrum, not a binary condition, and we are all on it somewhere. Its the sort of thing where, if you just assume you're free of it, you probably arent. Sure, some people tend to be closer to the implicit than explicit end—but despite common belief, implicit racism can be just as damaging in its long term social consequences than the explicit kind.

As for socities and communities, its a bell curve. In any sizable population, there will be a small number of people who manifest very little racism in their behavior, a small number at the potentially violent end, and most folks somewhere in the middle.

edited 27th Apr '18 12:30:03 PM by DeMarquis

But that's my point, it is a spectrum and thus by definition people don't all have it equally.

I think that with "equally", he wanted say "universal" or "general"

Also, this is the 666 page.

edited 27th Apr '18 12:35:10 PM by KazuyaProta

Although it is easy to forget, most of America's ills are not unique. America is like that loud dumbass in a group of jackasses. Eveything is a lot more apparent since this country is incredibly "individualistic", i.e being belligerent just cause.

edited 27th Apr '18 4:15:29 PM by Kakuzan

@archonspeaks Say again? There are some ethnically homogeneous countries in Europe, but there are also ethnically diverse countries. The former colonial powers all have significant populations from their former colonies. And yes, there's plenty of racism here, unfortunately.

edited 28th Apr '18 6:31:56 AM by Khudzlin