Race- Privilege, Relations, Racism, etc.

@ Silasw That is Slacktivism for you and the notion that any crappy hashtag over something that might hurt someone's sensibilities can go out of proportions on social media has become something institutions are wary off, like the cancel Colbert hashtag mess because one person took offense.

Page topper ho!

edited 2nd Feb '16 12:08:41 PM by AngelusNox

I knew about the first two, and I could chalk the third to the attitudes that prevailed at the time, but I did not know about the latter two. He was racist in what way?

I got a Guevara poster too. He did some nasty things, but the guy was a Bad Ass. But I'd hardly call the man who championed one of the world's most successful literacy campaigns ever "anti-intellectual". As for being homophobic, back then, in Latin America, who wasn't? Did you know how long it took the FDR to release the LGBT Hitler imprisoned?

edited 2nd Feb '16 12:17:44 PM by TheHandle

Attempting to defend some one like that can go both ways you know.

The south was also pretty baddass, holding off the force with superior numbers, technology, and industry for FOUR YEARS, as well as holding marksmen to the level that one of them still holds the 7th longest sniper kill about a century and a half later, dispite all the advancment to sighting and fire arms that brings.

As for the whole racisim thing, the union had multiple slave states as well, it was a time when every one in the country was racist.

Those are not good ways to defend some one.

edited 2nd Feb '16 12:23:05 PM by Imca

I guess angelus meant anti-intelectual in a "doesn't tolerate dissent of opinion" way.

Pretty impressive, thanks for the info.

edited 2nd Feb '16 12:25:03 PM by vandro

Well, they were. I don't think anyone's denying the Confederate military's tenacity, ingenuity, or courage. But they didn't effectively turn the country they were governing into an industrial and cultural powerhouse in only a few years and a bit of foreign help.

That's the thing with compartmentalization and selective moral disengagement. You can be a shit to some people and a hero to others, and notice no inconsistency.

That's not what anti-intellectual means, though, and there was plenty of dissent within Cuba at the time, intellectual or otherwise.

edited 2nd Feb '16 12:27:39 PM by TheHandle

Having plenty of way better examples, then-current and past, at promotion of literacy, and way better people at basic stuff like "being a decent human being" does not make me feel bad at all when "throwing the baby out with the bathwater" case of dismissing Che Guevara as worthwhile in anything more than a character in history

edited 2nd Feb '16 12:30:58 PM by Aszur

@Imca

I myself would've brought up Teddy Roosevelt. Definitely a product of his time in terms of racial attitudes, but his political and military achievements still speak for themselves.

Guevara never hid distaste towards black people, it was pretty evident when he was in Angola with him making a few remarks about the intelligence of Angolans, like casting doubt of them being able to use a rifle and comparing them to monkeys, also Che did send one of the women he had an affair with to his " national service training" which were the reeducation camps of Cuba, along having several illegitimate children he never acknowledge for before and after the revolution.

The guy was a Blood Knight whose image was brought up by PR.

@The Handle he did support book burning of anything that wasn't pro-revolution, that is pretty fucking anti-intellectual and even then a literacy campaign can be pretty much void when all you can learn is what the state allows you to.

My turf with Che isn't so much at the person, which I find to be a horrible human being, but against the tools who held him as a symbol of freedom of expression and thought when he fought against those with violence as well people using him as an icon for gay rights against the establishment.

edited 2nd Feb '16 1:21:05 PM by AngelusNox

Oh. Yeah, that doesn't make a lick of sense. I certainly wouldn't ever think of upholding him as either.

that said, my grandpa is making a book about him where he reads a bible and "finds jesus" and comes out glorified

what I am saying is Grandpas are weird.

Which is funny because Che once said if Jesus got between him and the revolution he wouldn't hesitate to kill him.

The man lived for violence.

Problem is I know next to nothing about Teddy, not exactly taught American History, I just know a lot about the history of warfare after the invention of the gun. >.<

I can't find the 30 Rock clip of liz lamenting the commodification of Che Guevara and his reveal as Che Guevara-Halliburton.

Source? I would love to see my grandpa read that

GET REKT. WELCOME TO REKTOPOLIS. POPULATION: YOU!!!!11

edited 2nd Feb '16 1:40:36 PM by Aszur

Thirty Rock. The episode Liz got sexy jeans that were made by slave orphans. Dangit. Awkward.

edited 2nd Feb '16 1:39:05 PM by vandro

@ Immy Teodore is an odd ball when it comes to racism, he supported Eugenics and warned against the low birth rates of what he considered the American people but at the same time he appointed Jewish and black men^note  not because he liked them but because it was the right Christian thing to do to federal service, on the other hand he really really really didn't like the Native Americans seeing them as nothing but savage barbarians.

@Aszur

While the Buddha on the road analogy is valid, treating Che like a Jesus Christ isn't.

edited 2nd Feb '16 1:48:45 PM by AngelusNox

@Aszur, @Angelus, I think it's apocryphal and inspired in the classic saying "If you meet the Budha on the road, kill him."

I like his DETERMINATION, though.

edited 2nd Feb '16 1:42:58 PM by TheHandle

XOKETE! JODETE!.

Qué coño es un xoquete?! Es como un choque, pero pequeño y amortiguado?

Zoquete, pero edgy.

Qué bien suena la palabra "edgy" en castellano. Es casi autoexplicativa...

I am too lazy to use Google translator to figure out what you guys are saying.

Acá (latinoamérica) decimos Darks, por esto:

OMG IT'S 'Perdita X Dream'! "La Elvira!" Ebony Dark'ness Dementia Raven Way! Wey!

edited 2nd Feb '16 2:04:07 PM by TheHandle