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MajorTom Since: Dec, 2009
#376: Sep 10th 2011 at 7:19:37 AM

And? Do you think I approve of racism in any capacity?

Thorn14 Gunpla is amazing! Since: Aug, 2010
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#377: Sep 10th 2011 at 7:20:18 AM

Of course not, but its ignorant to say things like racism only exists because of people like Al Sharpton.

MajorTom Since: Dec, 2009
#378: Sep 10th 2011 at 7:21:44 AM

It's as big because of people like them. It would still exist otherwise albeit more diminished.

Thorn14 Gunpla is amazing! Since: Aug, 2010
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#379: Sep 10th 2011 at 7:23:02 AM

No, its simply heard more about because people like him. He is very loud and annoying yes, but he's only bring it out into the spotlight.

Racism is not as loud, its more quiet, but it still exists. Just visit Stormfront.

Erock Proud Canadian from Toronto Since: Jul, 2009
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#380: Sep 10th 2011 at 7:27:32 AM

So by talking about something you encourage it's growth?

There should be a lot more partying and love then.

edited 10th Sep '11 7:27:40 AM by Erock

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Karmakin Moar and Moar and Moar Since: Aug, 2009
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#381: Sep 10th 2011 at 7:58:24 AM

Racism is a form of othering. While institutions that overtly teach racism are rare these days, institutions that overtly teach othering are still pretty common. One might question if one type of othering (religious based) can result in a different type of othering (be it class or race), but quite frankly there's no doubt in my mind of it.

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rjung Since: Jan, 2015
#382: Sep 10th 2011 at 9:53:59 AM
Thumped: for switching the discussion from the topic to a person. Doesn't take many of this kind of thump to bring a suspension. Stay on the topic, not the people in the discussion.
MajorTom Since: Dec, 2009
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#384: Sep 10th 2011 at 10:03:43 AM
Thumped: for switching the discussion from the topic to a person. Doesn't take many of this kind of thump to bring a suspension. Stay on the topic, not the people in the discussion.
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MajorTom Since: Dec, 2009
#385: Sep 10th 2011 at 10:08:42 AM

^ You mean to tell me pulling the race card all the time in politics is doing racism in?

Enkufka Wandering Student ಠ_ಠ from Bay of White fish Since: Dec, 2009
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#386: Sep 10th 2011 at 10:13:09 AM

No, you ..

Ok, I am trying not to lose my cool.

what I mean to say is that there are actively racist things that politicians have said, such as the one congressman who blamed single mothers and black people for the credit crunch. Then there are people such as the koch brothers, who are actively funding segregation of carolina schools.

By blaming people for trying to actively stifle racism, you are making yourself look like an ignorant white person who is over privileged. it hides the fact that people ARE racist, that it still happens, and it blames black people for white people being racist.

edited 10th Sep '11 10:15:32 AM by Enkufka

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#387: Sep 10th 2011 at 10:15:41 AM

Part of the problem is that segregation was killed in the school system in a rather counter-productive manner.

I think racism is very real today. It has simply become a latent function of society, rather than a manifest function. Which is more than we could say of the US of the '50s.

Is part of Obama's issue the fact that he's black, and so no one really takes him seriously in the racist conservative circles (with racist being a qualifier, not a blanket statement)? Yes. But I think saying that is the biggest problem is actually rather ridiculous...

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YoungMachete from Dallas Since: May, 2011
#388: Sep 10th 2011 at 10:28:27 AM

Tom does have a point. It's as bad for us to say that the Tea party movement is completely bad because of the nuts and extremists in it as it is for him to say that there's no racism in America because of people like Al Sharpton and some other assholes in the movement.

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blackcat Since: Apr, 2009
#389: Sep 10th 2011 at 10:41:01 AM

Putting a 24 hour lockdown for a cool down on this one.

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