Misused Trope?: And Then John Was A Zombie

And Then John Was a Zombie's description specifically refers to the trope as an ending twist that befalls the protagonist. However, the vast majority of the examples on the page do not happen at the ending, and many of them don't happen to the protagonist. Seeing as this trope has seen some extensive use, I'd suggest changing the description to match the examples, and consolidating the "literal He Who Fights Monsters as a twist ending" into Doomed Protagonist.

edited 22nd Apr '11 9:01:58 AM by Archereon

agreed.

Doesn't look like it was cleaned up when it was changed from You Are The Demons.

This is one of those weird tropes that's really composed of an intersection of other tropes. In this case, it's He Who Fights Monsters crossed with... hrm, do we have a general trope for monster transformations? Face–Monster Turn, maybe?

It feels like someone really, really wanted to use the meme for a trope name, and shoehorned it in without really thinking about how the tropes break up. We need a more general 'hero turns into a monster' trope (which, possibly, this could become.) I'm not sure we also need 'hero turns into a monster in a literal He Who Fights Monsters' sense, or a 'hero turns into a monster at the end of the story' or whatever — they're not really distinct tropes, in that they tend to tell the exact same story and convey the same things.

It's like having separate tropes for Beard of Evil Complete Monsters and Bald of Evil Complete Monsters — the distinction here isn't really one that changes the trope, you know?

edited 22nd Apr '11 12:04:43 PM by Aquillion

Well, in that case, I'd suggest just moving all of the examples of literal He Who Fights Monsters, ending twist or not, into And Then John Was a Zombie.

Well, I fixed up the trope page. If we should merge this with Doomed Protagonist...Well, we should get to that.

Clearly, you need to rethink it. Madoka is on there twice.

Well, what I meant is I cleaned up the description. Examples are still a clusterfuck.

Necro alert! Anyway, we went through this once, didn't we? What we should really be concerned with is misuse of the now-redirect, You Are The Demons, which is still used to this day on the wiki.

I know I necro'd, I looked back at the pave and realized this discussion was never finished, anyway, examples are still a mess.

I'd say either just clean up the examples or expand the description slightly while still keeping it distinct from He Who Fights Monsters.

Anything still happening with this?

OK, as Catbert pointed out, I think this may need to be closed. Earlier posts said they cleaned it up, and I'm not seeing the problem the OP was talking about in the current version (it's still in the Twist Ending index, but the trope description isn't worded in a way that it HAS TO BE a Twist Ending)

So, are the examples still a mess?

After everything's done, Holler at us again and we'll lock this.

Thanks to everyone who helped clean up examples. Locking.