Transformers: Dark of the Moon

One of the points of Dot M that I completely liked and wished there had been a lot more of in the movie. It really could have made everything far more insidious but they just sort of threw it in.

Are there? They made a point of the space bridge collasping and it looked to suck all the Decepticons out of Chicago. Honestly I was running under the assumption that it got the rest of them too. The other issue is the leadership and how Bay decimated it. Megatron, Starscream, Shockwave, Soundwave, the Fallen, Sentinel Prime, all dead and killed in such fashion as to leave almost no question about them being deader than dead. Who's going to lead the Decepticons now? Most of my interest in the Decepticons was always the leadership, without them and their established personalities who's really going to stand up to the Autobots as a threat?

"Tyyr's a necessary evil. " Spirit

Maybe Unicron?

GOH! JII! RAH!

Fuck that.

"Tyyr's a necessary evil. " Spirit

I've seen it posted in several places that the Decepticons were sucked into that vortex but in the actual movie the only thing I saw was that when the central pillar was destroyed some of the Decepticon ships seemed to be knocked back by the shockwave. I don't remember seeing them be sucked all the way from the city into space when Cybertron imploded. By the climactic battle the combination of human stinger missile support and general teamwork seemed to be what took down the primary forces in Chicago, not a magical "sucked into the vortex" resolution.

edited 17th Jan '12 7:17:48 PM by KJMackley

Quoted because I liked yours sentences, just with a change of mine, LOL.

(I respect everyone opinion thougt)

edited 18th Jan '12 12:25:58 PM by NONAMEGIVEN

"That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even death itself may die."

Aw but I liked the first one. But I definitely agree that the second was dumb dumb and even more dumb.

See, I disagree. I couldn't stand the first one. It had hardly any actual Transformers in it, just annoying humans with annoying subplots that kept the focus away from the plot everyone was there to see: the Transformers beating the crap out of each other. Once the sequels focused more on that, IMO, that alone made them huge improvements. The third one finally got rid of most of the dorky sexual humor and had a far more interesting plot behind the Transformers' constant war, therefore it was by far my favorite.

As I said somewhere else, I don't blame Michael Bay for the problems in the first movie and parts of the second: I blame Alex Kurtzman and Robert Orci, the screenwriters. The only movie I've seen from them that I even come close to liking is the new Star Trek movie, and even that had a LOT of dorky sexual humor in it too. I guess those are just the kind of writers they are. Once they wisely got rid of them, the series took a gigantic leap forwards IMO.

Again, just my opinion, though. I can understand why people would like the first one over the second two, but I disagree with those reasons.

From what I understand, a lot of the problems with the screenplay in the second came from the writer's strike pretty much forcing Bay to hastily write a first draft himself. But yeah, I do understand why the first wasn't all it was cranked up to be. I still find it hard to view the action in it thanks to all the shaky cam. Thankfully, forcing Bay to use a 3D rig caused him to steady his movements.

Orci and Kurtzman are hacks. Even Star Trek, though highly enjoyable, had a bunch of contrivances I had trouble getting past.

Orci posted regularly on the TFW 2005 board up until about 6 months after the second movie came out. This was the time when most everyone agreed that ROTF was not what they wanted it to be. Orci explained that they had something like a 20 page outline they gave to Bay the day before the strike began and working on anything during a strike is a no-no.

When they came off the strike Bay put them in a hotel room to write for 2 weeks before preliminary shooting began. There was some talk of delaying the movie because of that but the pressure to make a 2009 deadline for a summer tentpole movie along with keeping people employed made it an impossibility. The one thing Bay prides himself on is making deadlines and staying within budget.

So Orci continued by saying that there were elements of the outline they wanted to change but couldn't because of locations and scheduling being locked in. They couldn't make any radical changes to the outline and thus were stuck with some ideas that they didn't have time to refine. When you look at the movie the basic plot was fine, there was just a lot of things that were kind of just... there and didn't mean anything. What was the point of Alice? Sam's parents didn't need to be in Egypt as a threat, a 30 foot tall pogo-stick robot is scary enough. Stuff like that.

And whatever faults there may be in DOTM, the plot tries to connect everything together so that nothing is superfluous. That's why the Twins were ultimately taken out of the final cut.

And it's hard to hate Orci and Kurtzman after seeing this.