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Balmung Since: Oct, 2011
#6126: Jul 22nd 2015 at 3:03:02 PM

As I've said, normally, they can't do that. In fact, they shouldn't ever be able to do that. If they like you and follow your culture and religion, just form the empire title and ask nicely - same culture, same religion dukes are usually pretty willing to join an empire, especially if they're also de jure vassals thereof, but it should work, even if they aren't (eg. the Immortals are Zoroastrian Persians who aren't actually de jure anyone's vassals, but they'll bend their knee to a Zoroastrian Persian emperor who asks nicely).

theLibrarian Since: Jul, 2009
#6127: Jul 22nd 2015 at 3:19:37 PM

Yes, but I mean duchies that are already my vassals.

Balmung Since: Oct, 2011
#6128: Jul 22nd 2015 at 4:00:04 PM

And I mean ask them to rejoin once you have the empire title. Or even wait until you have it to destroy whatever kingdom they're subject to. If you already have the empire and they still leave, just ask them to rejoin (may or may not require a bribe to persuade them) and they should do so.

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#6130: Jul 22nd 2015 at 9:21:59 PM

Duchies breaking free on title destruction has been confirmed as a bug. Hopefully it will get fixed somewhat soon.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
Journeyman Overlording the Underworld from On a throne in a vault overlooking the Wasteland Since: Nov, 2010
Overlording the Underworld
#6131: Jul 22nd 2015 at 10:42:05 PM

I've run into some bugs of my own. Retinues don't reinforce for me, and I just ended my current session because I couldn't click on any counties. They just wouldn't come up, so I had to do stuff by finding the characters instead.

Before that I had finished Reforming the Norse faith and Feudalizing my own realm. So now Scandinavia's a Feudal Norse Empire. Let the Brits tremble, for we'll be coming after them soon enough.

Balmung Since: Oct, 2011
#6132: Jul 22nd 2015 at 11:06:04 PM

Before or after "fundraising" in Italy for some shiny new holdings ?

edited 22nd Jul '15 11:06:22 PM by Balmung

IFwanderer use political terms to describe, not insult from Earth Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
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#6133: Jul 23rd 2015 at 4:46:01 AM

Project Nero would make sense for HOI 4, given Hitler's late war Nero Decree.
I checked, and it actually was Runemaster which makes sense since it went up in flames.

BTW Johan released a hint:

This will be our first new major IP released since the original Crusader Kings over 10 years ago.
So I guess it's not gonna be V3 or Rome 2.

1 2 We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be. -KV
onyhow Too much adorableness from Land of the headpats Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Squeeeeeeeeeeeee!
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#6134: Jul 23rd 2015 at 5:35:08 AM

This will be our first new major IP released since the original Crusader Kings over 10 years ago.

So resurrected Runemaster?

edited 23rd Jul '15 5:35:38 AM by onyhow

Give me cute or give me...something?
IFwanderer use political terms to describe, not insult from Earth Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
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#6135: Jul 23rd 2015 at 5:42:07 AM

Released, Runemaster doesn't count.

1 2 We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be. -KV
Journeyman Overlording the Underworld from On a throne in a vault overlooking the Wasteland Since: Nov, 2010
Overlording the Underworld
#6136: Jul 23rd 2015 at 7:48:31 AM

[up][up][up][up]Before. I'm not sending expeditions to Italy until I've got a stable Nordic presence blanketing everything north of France. Making Seamark first so we can have a heavy Raider presence wrecking everything. A stable Scandinavia is a very good first step, but I'm building a lasting legacy I can export to EUIV and play as. I want a Norse Great Britain when I convert saves.

edited 23rd Jul '15 7:48:45 AM by Journeyman

Balmung Since: Oct, 2011
#6137: Jul 23rd 2015 at 8:31:05 AM

[up][up][up][up]That still leaves Sci-fi, Fantasy, and several time periods to cover.

Journeyman Overlording the Underworld from On a throne in a vault overlooking the Wasteland Since: Nov, 2010
Overlording the Underworld
#6138: Jul 23rd 2015 at 9:55:18 AM

I already consider Aurora 4X's dropdown-style in-depth gameplay to be a decent Space Stage to the old Paradox Grand Campaign. So a Ho I-style Space game with that kind of in-depth research system would be a very good addition to the latest Campaign. It wouldn't HAVE to be Galactic scale. You could reduce it to Solar System level and just have each planet broken down into regions that the different countries fight to control. Even Orbitals could be broken down into sections where people build different kinds of space stations. And maybe aliens could be handled like CK 2 handles Mongols and Aztecs: as an outside force that initially conquers but can be dealt with diplomatically if you know what you're doing.

IFwanderer use political terms to describe, not insult from Earth Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
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#6139: Jul 24th 2015 at 4:00:01 AM

Second Johan hint:

Seven and Three are important numbers.
It might just be a rome game, but not EU rome so it counts as a new IP.

1 2 We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be. -KV
Journeyman Overlording the Underworld from On a throne in a vault overlooking the Wasteland Since: Nov, 2010
Overlording the Underworld
#6140: Jul 24th 2015 at 8:17:36 AM

Do you know what 100% MA looks like? It looks like converts lining up to join your glorious state. Britain is slowly succumbing to a methodical conquest by Scandinavia, between minor wars waged by vassals. Though I only think one county has converted so far. I've been sending my seer to Old Norse strongholds to convert them for now. We need a united front against the world, after all.

Balmung Since: Oct, 2011
#6141: Jul 25th 2015 at 4:32:39 PM

Updated to a more recent version of After The End based on 2.4.2 and I'm looking to recreate my empire from before, but simple economic pressures are pushing me to go west, rather than east. Where before I was focused on Moral Authority, which to max out, required taking chunks of Pennsylvania and New York (Rust Cult stronk, remove Catholic), now I'm more concerned about the squabbling nomads and tribes to my west, who insist on disrupting the Interstate. I may well push all the way to the eastern edge of Jefferson, simply to produce reasonably reliable trade, even if the Californians themselves will occasionally disrupt it.

By the way, I much prefer conquering nomads to tribes. With tribes, I have to either upgrade their crappy tribal holding or replace everything, which throws naming off, whereas at least with empty, ex-nomad provinces, I don't need to sit on a shitty tribal holding and I get instant same-religion, same-culture lands

edited 25th Jul '15 4:33:42 PM by Balmung

Journeyman Overlording the Underworld from On a throne in a vault overlooking the Wasteland Since: Nov, 2010
Overlording the Underworld
#6142: Jul 26th 2015 at 6:35:53 AM

Britain is steadily falling. One county at a time. And I think the Catholic Moral Authority is slipping. I've seen two Fraticelli uprisings occur in Wales so far, which makes me think there are far more of them happening in Europe too. If there's one more UI upgrade the devs do, I want it to be the ability to see the moral authorities of all the other religions, too. I'm sure Conversion chances are influenced by the MA of the faith the county currently is as well as your own, and it'd be nice to compare them.

My own MA is sitting at 100% because we've mostly been winning the wars and my character, the Fylkir and Emperor of Scandinavia, is very pious. Plus he has a decent Diplomacy score. I'm going to get the Crown Authority of Scandinavia up to Absolute so when I convert the save to EUIV it comes out as a single nation. It'd be nice if Britain also stood as a single state, but if not, I will choose the strongest one to play as in EUIV and unite the Islands myself.

edited 26th Jul '15 6:36:10 AM by Journeyman

theLibrarian Since: Jul, 2009
#6143: Jul 26th 2015 at 11:58:56 AM

Oh, it's a bug? Good. I was thinking "bitch you're STILL my vassal anyway!"

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#6144: Jul 26th 2015 at 5:00:23 PM

Is there a way to tell what the Moral Authority of other religions is, beyond just checking for the effects of high or low authority? I've won so many Holy Wars against Catholic rulers in my Umayyad game that I wouldn't be surprised if the their authority was rock bottom at this point.

edited 26th Jul '15 5:00:40 PM by KnownUnknown

"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.
Balmung Since: Oct, 2011
#6145: Jul 26th 2015 at 5:14:29 PM

Page 4 of the ledger is religions, which includes their Moral Authority. Unfortunately, you can't see why their MA is what it is unless you actually switch to a character of that religion.

Journeyman Overlording the Underworld from On a throne in a vault overlooking the Wasteland Since: Nov, 2010
Overlording the Underworld
#6146: Jul 26th 2015 at 5:25:07 PM

Oh, so there IS a way? Fucking sweet! Then I can see how badly I'm trouncing the Catholic world. I'm not actually trying to kill them off, but I'm at 848 so Crusades are only, what, 52 years away unless I get stupid and grab Braunschweig too early? If I can drive down their MA enough to make Heretics a common problem, I can hinder those Crusades while fighting in the British Isles. A few heresies really taking root in their heartlands couldn't hurt. Maybe I'll get lucky and see them trashed enough that Crusades don't come off thanks to everyone being busy with revolts.

theLibrarian Since: Jul, 2009
#6147: Jul 26th 2015 at 5:30:42 PM

After the End 0.6 is out!

Journeyman Overlording the Underworld from On a throne in a vault overlooking the Wasteland Since: Nov, 2010
Overlording the Underworld
#6148: Jul 26th 2015 at 6:58:24 PM

I'm having too much fun in the base game to update that mod right now. Still conquering England, but I've already formed the Title for it, and won My first Holy War in this campaign. Took the three counties of Mercia in one war, and then turned around and quickmarched to the mainland to repel a rebel army in our holdings there.

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#6149: Jul 26th 2015 at 7:24:22 PM

Huh, surprised After the End got updated before Game Of Thrones.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
theLibrarian Since: Jul, 2009
#6150: Jul 26th 2015 at 7:33:45 PM

You know, aside from attempting to do a Jewish campaign, I've recently today started planning on trying a new game to try and reform the Roman Empire.


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