Game of Thrones [Potential Book Spoilers]

Really pissed about Arianne not being cast or even, y'know, existing in the show (so far, anyway).

Ugh, why the hell do I even bother with this show anyway?

Because it's better than the books.

He does care!

And thank you, Logo, for apparently being the only other person psyched that Jonathan Pryce (with a name spelled like that, he had to be in Go T sooner or later) is the High Sparrow. Love the character, love that Elliott Carver is playing him.

So taking out the one queer woman of color who wields actual power in Westeros and being replaced by her younger white brother equals being better than the books.

Glad to see we know where your priorities lie, Logo P.

Yeah, being in favour of whittling down the plot equates to being a racist homophobe. Jesus Christ, wind your neck in.

Who are you even talking about? I can only assume Arianne, but can't see how she's (a) queer or (b) a different race to Trystane.

Who said I thought he was a racist homophobe?

Anyways Trystane's actor is white (when neither Trystane or Arianne should be played by white actors) and I remember Arianne being bi in the books.

I would rather they had cut the Greyjoys out if they weren't going to do anything with them and instead have included YG's plot.

Although I maintain that they're replacing YG and Arianne with Myrcella and Trystane.

Less complicated that way and YG and Myrcella are both fakes while Trystane and Arianne are both Martells. It's pretty perfect.

So instead of a Dance with Dragons we're getting a Dance with Lions.

Although this pretty much turns Varys into a Dany supporter or he's actually sincere. Bleh.

edited 26th Jul '14 3:57:18 PM by MadSkillz

I'm more bummed about no Greyjoy brothers, I liked all three of them

D&D's fanfiction is not better than the books. But then again, you constantly defending the show even when it makes terrible casting or story decisions doesn't surprise me, Logo P.

But the Greyjoys brothers are men, so they'll inevitably be cast. It's the women who get reduced or completely altered storylines in this show (lack of Stoneheart, Darth Sansa, what the fuck happened to Asha/Yara Greyjoy in Season 4.)

edited 26th Jul '14 4:02:31 PM by higherbrainpattern

My opinion regarding the books & the show is actually more complex than that.

In some aspects, the books are definitely better than the show, in others, it's the other way around. I'd have no problem to explain my stance to anyone via PM's. What I can say is that i'd never say a blanket statement such as " X is better than Y" in seriousness.

However, the threads are filled with so many book purists it's impossible to resist a little trolling.

edited 26th Jul '14 4:04:04 PM by LogoP

Also remember Arya "Most girls are stupid" Stark so edgy much feminism

@Logo P I figured you were trolling.

edited 26th Jul '14 4:03:26 PM by MadSkillz

I don't remember anything about Arianne being bi.

But that line makes perfect sense for Arya. Wasn't her first chapter in the books one when she was the only one of the girls who wasn't good at/didn't like sewing? I can definitely see a "all the girls except me are stupid" attitude from that chapter alone.

edited 26th Jul '14 4:07:21 PM by Druplesnubb

Well she's talked about having threesomes with girls.

Liar! You fell in my troll-trap and you know it! >:D

It's called being Dornish.

edited 26th Jul '14 4:08:42 PM by LogoP

@Druple Except Arya fully accepts that she's a woman that is not very good at doing traditional woman things. She doesn't think less of women and nowhere is it implied in the books that she's actually misogynistic.

She routinely corrects people when they call her a boy and even mentions in a chapter that she despises being mistake for a boy.

h-hidoi

edited 26th Jul '14 4:11:01 PM by MadSkillz

Pretty much nothing of what you just said has any relation to the argument whatsoever. Most of the girls Arya has encountered (I.E. Sansa and her friends) all like things that Arya considers totally lame like sewing, romantic poetry and the like.

Like, "she doesn't like being mistaken for a boy", what does that have to do with anything?

edited 26th Jul '14 4:12:50 PM by Druplesnubb

Let me collect my thoughts here so you can understand better.

I'm saying that she's fine with being a woman. Nowhere is it implied that she wants to be a boy or hates her gender. She just enjoys doing traditonally masculine things and just because she doesn't enjoy traditionally feminine things doesn't mean that she thinks less of her gender for it.

Here I linked something for you that should help clear things up.

So yes I'm right. Book! Arya wouldn't something like push down her gender like that.

edited 26th Jul '14 4:24:33 PM by MadSkillz

That quote might have been added to show that Arya is, well, flawed. And that she was being ufairly biased towards her sister & her friend (e.i. most of the girls she knew). It's not necessarily a testament to her inner misogyny.

Don't you dare go all Japanese on me, baka.

EDIT: Trystane is listed as "heir to Dorne" by HBO. Meaning that he''ll probably replace Quentyn :/

edited 26th Jul '14 4:28:38 PM by LogoP

I've never implied that Arya isn't fine with being a woman, and neither does the tv quote you cited. Nor do I think she's some kind of misogynist. A communist living in the age of absolute monarchies would likely consider most humans to be either misguided sheep or evil oppressors, but that doesn't mean he's a misanthropist.

edited 26th Jul '14 4:30:48 PM by Druplesnubb

Yeah, Arya is just ultra-reactionary about everything.

Arya has plenty of other flaws.

No my quote pretty much tells me that Show! Arya thinks she's above her gender in that one instance.

And I'm saying it's OOC for Arya and is actually pretty damn sexist because of the way it's framed. It's almost like we're supposed to agree with her.

If it was a one time slip I could let it go but they do the same thing with Brienne where she calls Jaime a woman because apparently being a coward wasn't bad enough. No being a woman is way worse.

edited 26th Jul '14 4:33:18 PM by MadSkillz

To me it was framed like "Most would not agree with you." "Well in that case, screw them!" Also, Brienne has legit issues with her femininity. There is one scene where she laments that she's neither a real man nor a real woman.

So? She has always been pretty condescending with Sansa and her friends. Nothing wrong with playing up that flaw of hers. It was always been there.

Brienne has no issues with her femininity (at least like Cersei does). She's just non gender-conforming at that causes her all sorts of confusions, due to the sexist society she lives in.

edited 26th Jul '14 4:39:51 PM by LogoP

Because she's jealous that they're so good at what she's not. It's not because she actually looks down on women. There's a difference.

@Druples Pretty much what Logo P said about Brienne.

edited 26th Jul '14 4:45:56 PM by MadSkillz

There is one scene where says that she has failed her father by not being born a boy/not being a "real" woman. That sounds like some serious gender-based self-loathing to me. Although I guess you could say that she doesn't have any problem with women in general so much as she has a problem with herself in particular being one but not acting like it.

edited 26th Jul '14 4:50:44 PM by Druplesnubb