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Ominae Since: Jul, 2010
#6551: Nov 19th 2017 at 12:24:27 AM

UNC is still investigating whether the DPRK soldiers in the DMZ violated the agreement by firing their A Ks towards South Korean territory during the breach.

Trivialis Since: Oct, 2011
#6552: Nov 20th 2017 at 9:28:39 PM

Trump re-added North Korea as a state sponsor of terrorism.

Mixed responses from US officials and Congress members, but favorable responses from South Korea, Japan, and Australia.

Ominae Since: Jul, 2010
#6553: Nov 21st 2017 at 6:55:58 PM

https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/news/20171122_21/

UNC representatives have showed evidence that a North Korean soldier briefly crossed the DMZ to try and kill the defector as a violation of the armistice.

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#6554: Nov 22nd 2017 at 12:43:35 PM

The security cam footage has been released:

BBC: North Korean defector: What we've learned from dramatic footage

Extraordinary footage of the recent defection of a North Korean soldier across the border to the South has been released.

On 13 November the soldier drove up to the border within the Joint Security Area (JSA) and then sprinted to the other side, a hail of bullets following him.

The JSA is the only place in the 250km (155-mile)-long Demilitarised Zone (DMZ) where soldiers from both sides face each other. Located in the village of Panmunjom, it's a popular tourist attraction for South Koreans.

The UN Command, which oversees the military forces supporting South Korea, said the footage showed clear violations of the armistice brokered after the Korean War, with North Korean soldiers firing across the border and crossing the demarcation line.

But it also provides a rare insight into what happened during the defection and how each side coped.

The defector was very close to getting caught

Watching the CCTV footage, it seems extraordinary the soldier survived the daring escape. North Korean guards reach him just seconds after he flees from the vehicle once it crashed and proceed to fire at him from very close range.

He runs across a road and collapses metres away, only just out of their reach in the South and under cover of the low perimeter wall of what looks like South Korea's Freedom House complex.

There are no apparent physical obstacles to escape

In his vehicle, the soldier zooms past what appears to be a North Korean checkpoint, driving right up to the border before getting out and simply running across to the South. He could very well have driven right across if his vehicle had not broken down at the end, when a wheel reportedly fell off.

The DMZ is heavily fortified, but at the JSA there are none of the visible fences, concrete bollards, or conspicuous obstacles that one might expect at the border of two countries which are technically still at war.

Even the North Korean checkpoint did not appear to have a gantry barrier.

But this can be traced back to the original purpose of the JSA as defined by the armistice, Yang Wook, a senior researcher at the Korea Defense & Security Forum, told BBC Korean.

"The area was established to build up a neutral ground for armistice committee talks," which, he says, used to be held regularly. It was a place where the two militaries actually worked together.

"The military of North and South worked together in the JSA, which is self-evident in what it stands for - Joint Security Area."

It was originally laid out more ambiguously, but a 1976 skirmish known as the "axe murder incident", when North Korean soldiers killed US soldiers trimming a tree, resulted in new rules where both countries' militaries had to keep to their side.

Nevertheless, he adds, there are few places to hide. Freedom House, on the southern side of the border, has only one entry point in the centre of its southern side - so it would be hard for a defector from the North to hide in the building.

Another North Korean soldier briefly crossed the line One border guard gave chase, before stopping abruptly as he realised he had trespassed into the South. He turns around and runs back to his comrades who are hiding behind a guard post.

The UN Command said this was a technical breach of the armistice agreement.

But in fact, the Military Demarcation Line, a temporary administration line dividing North and South Korea, appears not to be visibly demarcated throughout the JSA.

The area contains a row of six buildings straddling that line, which is represented by raised concrete strips in the gaps between each structure.

But in the footage released by the UN Command, the defector runs across a grassy patch next to one of the buildings. The border guard does not seem aware he has trespassed until he is over on the South's side.

There are strict rules about military engagement in the JSA

The UN Command said on Wednesday that the North Korean guards had breached rules by firing at the defector in the direction of South Korea within the JSA.

In the 1953 armistice, which ended the Korean War with a truce, both sides agreed not to "execute any hostile act within, from, or against the demilitarised zone".

The US forces spokesman working under the UN command said the South showed "admirable restraint" by not returning fire.

It told the BBC that the findings of their investigation were relayed to the North in "the usual way" - reading them across the line while the North Koreans recorded from the other side.

It is now just waiting to hear if the North is willing to meet and discuss the incident and ways to avoid repeats.

It's a rare insight into North Korean rapid response

Throughout the incident, the North's security forces are visibly well armed, but their response appears confused.

Early in his escape, they had a chance to stop the soldier at a checkpoint, but he instead sped past while a checkpoint guard appeared to panic.

Then there was the border guard's intrusion into the South, and the soldiers' firing at the fleeing defector - either these were accidents and they forgot protocol in the confusion or took the decision to breach the rules.

In the immediate aftermath, a cluster of North Korean soldiers is seen milling about on their side of the JSA looking unsure, before walking off. One is even seen putting down his rifle to adjust his shoe or trouser leg.

The weaponry was a point picked up by some analysts.

"In theory, only the pistols are allowed... in the JSA for self-defence. In practice, however, [North Korean] soldiers have been seen carrying bigger firearms so the South Korean military also has prepared heavy firearms in the case of... aggression," Yang Wook told the BBC.

According to the UN Command, the South Koreans had a plan and worked quickly to recover the defector without knowing if he was booby trapped.

After waiting for about 40 minutes, two South Korean soldiers stealthily crawl towards the defector and drag him away.

Defections across the demilitarised zone, let alone the JSA, are very rare - and none have been quite as dramatic as this.

Ominae Since: Jul, 2010
#6555: Nov 23rd 2017 at 5:23:52 PM

News out of South Korea mentions that all active soldiers in the North Korean side of the JSA are being replaced as a sign of collective punishment.


This Arirang report has a map on how it all went down.

edited 23rd Nov '17 6:24:10 PM by Ominae

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#6556: Nov 23rd 2017 at 11:25:23 PM

If they want to escape collective punishment they could all up and flee south :)

Trivialis Since: Oct, 2011
#6557: Nov 24th 2017 at 12:52:38 PM

Eight North Koreans on a boat ended up washed ashore in Japan. It looks like they wished to return home.

A question with a group of North Koreans found in Japanese waters is whether they're defectors (or alternatively, they accidentally washed ashore and then decided to stay) or they deliberately entered for fishing outside their jurisdiction. It looks like North Korean and Chinese fishing ships intruding is a common maritime problen in South Korea and Japan.

There was another North Korean boat found near Japan a week ago, with the three persons found wanting to return and sent back; later the authorities found deceased bodies as well. In fact quite a few of these ghost ships with dead or lack of crew have turned up lately.

TerminusEst from the Land of Winter and Stars Since: Feb, 2010
#6558: Nov 25th 2017 at 4:14:19 AM

Is North Korea prepping for an imminent weapons test? Mysterious coded messages just radioed out

North Korea transmitted mysterious coded messages on Thanksgiving morning (23 November), according to experts at Strategic Sentinel, a Washington DC-based nonpartisan geostrategic consulting agency. Experts have previously observed that such transmissions often precede major weapons tests by Pyongyang.

Strategic Sentinel tweeted that it had observed Pyongyang transmitting the coded messages on the North Korean radio station 6400kHz. The radio station has reportedly been used previously by the reclusive nation to send secret coded messages, presumably to spies located outside its borders.

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Ominae Since: Jul, 2010
#6559: Nov 27th 2017 at 3:54:00 PM

American embassy in Seoul released a photo of the DMZ in Twitter being dug up with trenches. One of them was from the same spot where the defector ran across.

TerminusEst from the Land of Winter and Stars Since: Feb, 2010
#6560: Nov 28th 2017 at 10:38:41 AM

Ballistic missile fired

SEOUL, Nov. 29 (Yonhap) — North Korea fired an unidentified ballistic missile from South Pyongan Province early Wednesday, South Korea's Joint Chiefs of Staff said.

The missile flew eastward and the South Korean military is analyzing details with the U.S., it said.

(END)

edited 28th Nov '17 10:39:11 AM by TerminusEst

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TerminusEst from the Land of Winter and Stars Since: Feb, 2010
#6561: Nov 29th 2017 at 1:14:15 AM

N.K. declares completion of nukes with new ICBM test

North Korea said Wednesday that it has successfully tested a new intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM) capable of hitting anywhere in the U.S., declaring that the launch marks the completion of its nuclear armament.

Analysts said that the latest test was the longest flight of a North Korean missile, but North Korea still seems to be short of mastering re-entry technology, a key element in developing an ICBM.

North Korea's media did not mention whether a warhead carried by a re-entry vehicle successfully withstood the extreme heat and pressure of passing through the Earth's atmosphere.

"To test the re-entry technology, there is a need to fire a missile on a standard trajectory. The North probably did not succeed in (mastering) it," said Chang Young-keun, a missile expert at Korea Aerospace University.

Experts said that Pyongyang apparently hastened to announce the completion of its nuclear development, with some claiming that the North may intend to secure a breakthrough in the current standoff with an "ambiguous" declaration.

edited 29th Nov '17 1:14:23 AM by TerminusEst

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Ominae Since: Jul, 2010
#6562: Nov 29th 2017 at 1:32:21 AM

KCNA released a statement regarding the test:

KCNA added that North Korean leader Kim Jong-un, who personally signed off on the launch, "declared with pride that now we have finally realised the great historic cause of completing the state nuclear force, the cause of building a rocket power".

The report said that "as a responsible nuclear power and a peace-loving state", North Korea would "make every possible effort to serve the noble purpose of defending peace and stability of the world".

It said its weapons, meant as a defence against "the US imperialists' nuclear blackmail policy", would "not pose any threat to any country" as long as North Korean interests were not infringed upon.

speedyboris Since: Feb, 2010
#6563: Nov 30th 2017 at 3:22:48 PM

So, now that North Korea can apparently hit the U.S. with its newest missile, are we officially fucked?

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#6564: Nov 30th 2017 at 3:24:48 PM

Can North Korea unofficially hit us with a nuke? I'm not sure if I believe them.

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#6565: Nov 30th 2017 at 3:33:30 PM

I doubt it. I also doubt they could maintain a nuclear arsenal capable of supporting MAD as a doctrine.

Hell I doubt they have the capabilities to maintain a ballistic missile supply capable of striking the US mainland with conventional warheads, let alone nuclear ones.

The current strategic situation is unchanged. This of course assuming their missile can in fact hit the US mainland.

edited 30th Nov '17 3:34:08 PM by LeGarcon

Oh really when?
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#6566: Nov 30th 2017 at 3:36:37 PM

Another thing is that NK really doesn't have a reason to nuke the US. It just needs to be able to nuke one of our allies close by, such as SK or Japan, to make attacking them very much not worth it in most situations.

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#6567: Nov 30th 2017 at 3:36:42 PM

Pfff, it isn't like there aren't a load of ABM batteries between NK and the US capable of intercepting like what? 1 of the 4 missiles that don't blow themselves up right after launch.

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kkhohoho Since: May, 2011
#6568: Nov 30th 2017 at 3:39:13 PM

Also, according to the experts and anaylists, they doubt that NK's new fancy missile can stay afloat with a warhead attached. Never mind that NK itself immediately followed up its bold claims with a statement saying they're still working towards that lofty goal. In other words, they lied.tongue

Ominae Since: Jul, 2010
#6569: Nov 30th 2017 at 4:07:49 PM

Lavrov in Belarus accused Trump of provoking Pyongyang after UN ambassador called for countries to end relations with North Korea.

Trivialis Since: Oct, 2011
#6570: Nov 30th 2017 at 11:18:44 PM

[up][up]Am I the only one that isn't smiling about the situation?

Although Hwasong-15 did not land very far from the launch site (deliberately), it was the highest altitude North ever reached with a ballistic missile. If shot in a regular trajectory, in addition to it covering the entire continental US, in the other direction it would cover all of Europe. Two or three years ago, experts and those of us that were posting in this thread back then did not expect North Korea to develop ICBM technology this soon. And while those missiles might not be capable of surviving re-entry with live warheads yet, the key word here is yet. If the other countries do not act correctly, it would only be a matter of time, provided that the regime is given that time.

And at a diplomatic level, it's not so much that North Korea can attack the US, but that the United States has failed to stop the world's worst regime from reaching nuclear power status. This is why other nations say that they cannot accept North Korea as a recognized nuclear state, despite it sort of being one in practice, because it would mean that they gave in. As Victor Cha said, that would be "signaling the effective end of the NPT regime, since the worst violator would essentially be recognized for its nuclear capabilities."

kkhohoho Since: May, 2011
#6571: Dec 2nd 2017 at 12:54:46 PM

North Korea's new ICBM likely broke up upon re-entry, US official says

An intercontinental ballistic missile that North Korea said could reach the "whole" mainland of the United States likely broke up upon re-entry into the earth's atmosphere, a US official said Saturday.

North Korea on Tuesday broke a two-month lull in weapons testing. It launched an advanced intercontinental ballistic missile, the Hwasong-15, that state-controlled media described as the "most powerful ICBM" carrying a "super-large heavy warhead" to unprecedented heights of almost 4,500 kilometers (2,800 miles).

Technical analysis of the missile flight is still ongoing but the US official said "the North Koreans had problems with re-entry. "

Coupled with the rogue regime's need to master missile guidance and targeting, the re-entry failure underscores the challenges facing the country's weapons program, according to the official.

Still, the ability of the new missile to fly higher and longer than others in the past signals the program's intent to develop weapons capable of attacking the US.

While some US military officials have referred to the missile launched Tuesday as a "KN 22" — a designation signaling the launch involves a new type of ICBM — other officials urge caution in categorizing the missile.

So far, US officials believe the latest test involved a single missile in the inventory, and that future launches will likely include missiles with modifications.

The initial analysis shows Tuesday's launch likely involved a two-stage missile with a non-explosive dummy warhead, the official said. The first stage was significantly larger than that on other missiles. The larger size of the first and second stages allows the missile to fly a greater distance with a larger payload.

The missile was at least partially fueled by liquid fuel — which, along with some other indicators monitored by sensors and satellites allowed the US receive an earlier warning of the launch, according to the official.

The country's state media announced the test on Wednesday, hours after leader Kim Jong Un ordered the launch of the Hwasong-15 missile, which reached the highest altitude ever recorded by a North Korean missile.

edited 2nd Dec '17 12:55:39 PM by kkhohoho

Ominae Since: Jul, 2010
#6572: Dec 3rd 2017 at 6:15:19 PM

Hawaii has an anti-ICBM system in place and they're testing air raid sirens with a different tone.

TerminusEst from the Land of Winter and Stars Since: Feb, 2010
#6573: Dec 4th 2017 at 9:39:38 AM

The danger here is some might understand this in a different way...

US senator: military families should leave South Korea as threat of war grows

The Republican senator Lindsey Graham has called on the Pentagon to move the families of US military personnel out of South Korea, as a senior Trump administration official warned that the potential for war with North Korea was growing by the day.

The South Carolina senator, who is a member of the Senate armed services committee, also opposed sending any more military dependents to South Korea, which hosts 28,500 US soldiers.

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Trivialis Since: Oct, 2011
#6574: Dec 4th 2017 at 10:35:00 AM

That reminds of when back in 2013 North Korea told embassies in its territory (like the Russian one) to maybe leave because it can't guarantee their safety.

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#6575: Dec 6th 2017 at 4:33:26 AM

Some pictures from North Korea's rural northwest.

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