Code Geass

@Scherzo09

At this point I really am feeling inclined to rudely closing this discussion with you entirely because of how misinformed you are- however fortunately for you I'm a masochist. Starting from R.2 Code Geass was supposed to have it's story expanded a great deal more and the "gods" which were spoken about were to be presented differently. However, Code Geass's creator Goro's timeslot was cut short and he had to rewrite pt.2. Had it not been, he'd delved deeper into the characters and not just have "one or two notable traits" about their character. Regardless, it was still written well with the time that the creator had. And most fans agree. So your point is moot. To me Code Geass finished like a Studio Ghibli film.

It's probably for the best that we drop this, yeah. I don't think we'll come to any understanding beyond acknowledging we have different opinions.

Edit(): But you're wrong, just gonna let you know that.

edited 4th Oct '12 8:25:51 PM by Scherzo09

@Scherzo09

Sure why not. You're not making a convincing argument and what I'm saying isn't sinking in for you. Also Lelouch had a reason to mope more than Shirley's plot but also that his parents were both assholes

he thought Nunnally died. etc. Cloud's troubles in comparison to Lelouch aren't very convincing. People totally overexaggerate that shit.

But yeah like you said. Let's drop it.

edited 4th Oct '12 8:30:31 PM by Couchpotato20

I'll just say all this armchair pseudo-literary criticism is far more amusing to read than to engage in. We could all go tell the creators face to face why you think their writing sucks and how you'd do everything so much better, but either they're going to humbly agree and just shrug it off or they are going to defend their choices because they don't see things like you do.

edited 4th Oct '12 8:31:21 PM by Souther

@Souther

I'll say this much: Code Geass with their whole romantic drivel, brilliantly drawn characters did a shitload better than Gundam Seed(which prided in voluptuous female characters and exaggeration). I could watch Code Geass more than any other mech show during 2008.

They've both got their ups and downs. I won't debate that here, so I'll leave it at saying that's another can of worms. It's fine if you think so.

edited 4th Oct '12 8:53:42 PM by Souther

Because bringing that up serves what purpose? Yes, you hated SEED. You work it into almost every conversation I've seen you in here.

Oh god, pissing matches. They will never end.

Well, since some folks are comparing which 'verse romances were horrid.

Atm, my least favorite is the Official Couple in Aquarion Evol. I find it quite difficult to not make fun of it.

Code Geass: Akito - am currently assuming the Official Couple will be Akito & Reila. Thus far, I've got no problems with it. Like both characters enough that it's relatively easy how to see how the ship can float.

Code Geass - cannot remember most of my reactions to the ships... can remember feeling worried/bad for Shirley cause it was so easy to imagine the fandom bashing her. I wasn't in the fandom (or in it now). I unfortunately have a sixth sense on which (fem) characters will be extra-reviled by fandom.

edited 5th Oct '12 1:54:55 AM by probablyinsane

Akito is a psycho killer. Any ship with him is headed straight for Iceberg.

Oh god it's you Ambar. -_-

Look get it through your head man, Gundam SEED was one of the most disappointing Gundam series. No ounce of complaining from you will change that. say will change that. The ending of SEED is little more than a replay of the ending of the original series, Zeta Gundam and Gundam F91 all rolled together. The revelation of Rau who was an enigma being a omnicidal maniac was terrible. Also the ending was rushed as hell. The development of the main character was non-existent. The first series was an overabundance of stock footage, recap episodes. The ending of Gundam SEED Destiny just makes it even more clearer to Mitsuo Fukuda's entitlement to the title "Flash Back 'em All". Also being unable to resist showing Kira doing the retarded beam spam in each episode when he pilots FREEDOM.

My point of bringing up SEED was to point out how Code Geass likewise had romance as a similar element of drama for the show. Only difference being Code Geass did it better.

edited 5th Oct '12 2:24:40 AM by Couchpotato20

Dude, this is Geass thread not Sunrise thread. Move on.

@The Handle

I thought you didn't like usage of terms like "dude" and "bro" calling 'em condescending. I'm pointing how Code Geass did better where SEED failed.

That was a last minute edit, and it's still completely irrelevant. "Trait X has been done worse by show Y" doesn't mean the way it was made here is good or even acceptable.

Seeing fans who are (so) intense about both Code Geass (and Gundam Seed) compels me to rewatch the series, lol.

But first, I have to rewatch Monster.

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Good point about Akito!ships ending up sunk (probably). I will brace myself for such a resolution, just in case I become (too) fond of whichever Akito!ship.

I admit that I lucked out with Code Geass (Lelouch) since I wasn't fond of any of the Lelouch ships. Liking a ship wherein the other half died can be quite painful. (T_T at Layton/Claire, Yunoha/Jin)

I can kinda understand where people are saying that this OVA doesn't feel like Code Geass. On the other hand, a more serious approach minus the ham, actually has an interesting appeal. it's like if the more serious B-list characters got there own super-serious spinoff.

even though Akito looks like Lulu, it's nice that he seems noting like him in terms of his he conducts himself. I'll admit the characters have been pretty flat so far and it seems like since the episodes will be so far spread out, developing characters properly, especially with this new direction is going to be a task. I personally hope that the character development doesn't end up seeming as flat as Unicorn because of the release pace.

As for the S Hirley debate, I'll just say I can't be pro-Shirley because I'm one of those pro-Rolo people. Fans say I can't be both, so, C'est la vie.

edited 5th Oct '12 4:01:02 AM by Rethis

Mod speaking, the pissing contests about how characters from Code Geass vaguely relate to characters from completely unrelated series are really unnecessary and serve no purpose in this thread. The only thing FFVII and Code Geass have in common is that they come from Japan and Takahiro Sakurai voices a main character. Same for the Gundam SEED digression.

Also, Shirley had a character. Whether it actually worked is really up to personal taste, as is much of the stuff on this show.

Still haven't watched Akito.

P.S. Aerith's awesome and that's the end of that.

edited 5th Oct '12 4:04:30 AM by lu127

Actually they sound more like hissing contests.

I have heard it said that this new series is Code Geass with all the stuff people liked taken out (Lelouch, the mega-ham battles, the ideals clashing and the absurd cliffhangers and pacing) with the less interesting aspects left in (artstyle, mecca and politics).

Which I disagree with: Clearly the Politics have the potential to still be interesting =P

edited 5th Oct '12 7:32:28 AM by UltimatelySubjective

Watched the first episode of Akito and liked it personally. While I am waiting for the characters to get some more depth, I do like them so far. But, I do agree that the racism is a bit too much and not at all subtle, though we at least have what appears to be plenty of characters who are not racists.

@Couchpotato

You'll notice I didn't defend SEED in this discussion. The only reason you even know I'm a fan of it is a) my avatar, and b) the fact that we've talked about it elsewhere. The point I was trying to make is the same one that Rethis and a few others have pointed out to you—just because another show is, in your opinion, worse, doesn't mean the one you are defending is good. If that argument held true any and all shows could be defended by saying "hey, they're not Plan 9 From Outer Space".

Regarding the discussion of relationships, I admit that none of the ones in Geass really grabbed me, but that's partly because I didn't like Lelouch very much and couldn't understand why Kallen, Shirley, etc would be interested. I thought Suzaku and Euhpemia could be interesting, but even that seemed rushed, and then, what went down went down.

A question for the people who are watching the new show—as someone who likes the concept of Geass (giant robots, superpowers, and complex plots) but hates the execution of the original (the silly levels of ham, the way the plot seems to be on Lelouch's side) is there anything in the new show that would appeal to me? Geass is one of those franchise's I'd like to like, and if the new show solves some of it's problems I might consider giving it a shot.

edited 5th Oct '12 8:24:24 AM by AmbarSonofDeshar

No, he is merely a very good soldier.

Excellent soldiers aren't that unstable. He's a Psycho for Hire who happens to do a good job as a soldier, but he's obviously sadistic and just teeming with the eager will to murder people; he's not a pro who's just doing his job,

Hmm... atm, the only (sort of serious) nitpick I have about Code Geass: Akito is the racism stuff, which I am trying (religiously) to put aside so I won't elaborate further on that matter.

So far, I think it's interesting enough fare. Had it been a non-OVA series, it would probably be entered on my (very short) list of must see (every week) anime.

Have to confess that I usually feel (somewhat) starved for anime which has eye-candy for both male and female audience. At least with the Code Geass franchise, I can count on that aspect. (Probably the main reason why I forced myself to watch Aquarion 1 & 2...)

edited 5th Oct '12 9:36:26 AM by probablyinsane

Yeah, the average professional soldier doesn't go red-eyed and eviscerate shit whilst laughing madly, or casually suggest murder/suicide (or something) as the solution to all their commanding officer's problems.