Doctor Who

I can't really offer much here, as I haven't seen any of One's serials, but I feel like we're splitting hairs. Do we really need to be super particular about the specific kind of sexism that One exhibited in his era?

Well for one I'm not even sure why spanking is being brought up as sexism.Wasn't spanking a form of discipline for both genders?

edited 25th Dec '17 9:47:44 PM by DeanCole

Except Bill is an adult woman, and not the Doctor's daughter.

We're not talking about children here, we're talking about this.

Also that .

edited 25th Dec '17 9:51:39 PM by KarkatTheDalek

I loved that bit. And the reveal of who the Captain was, and when exactly he was picked up from.

Kind of funny learning that the "smacked bottom" line was from that particular episode, because I watched Adventure in Space and Time as part of the BBC America marathon, and I can see why that was included in the marathon, as it really is a necessary prep course for understanding the First Doctor. And they quote the other line in the same episode of the Doctor saying goodbye to Susan and show Daleks near Buckingham Palace.

Also, I think that the way the First Doctor was presented as comically sexist was quite funny, but besides that, it wasn't necessarily so much an accurate illustration of the First Doctor's behavior (since it isn't) or even 1960's mores, as sort of a broader tongue-in-cheek commentary on iffy elements spread among the various Doctors. Like as far as spanking and sexism goes, I'm also reminded of the idea for that "lost" episode "The Prison in Space".

And it's definitely been an element of Twelve's characterization of being "woke". So it makes sense and works well for comedy here in contrast to One, just like how in earlier episodes, Twelve behaves toward Bill in a way that contrasts with Ten's shitty treatment of Martha.

edited 25th Dec '17 10:29:44 PM by Hodor2

I've seen it pointed out that one's characterisation is pretty close to his early characterisation, but not his later characterisation and ignores a lot of his character development. I loved the choice to write him as an embarassing grandpa though, there was a good message about accepting the shit you've said in the past.

Well, that was brilliant. Much better exit than Ten's or Eleven's. I'm really going to miss Twelve, but I'm optimistic about Thirteen.

Sad to see Moffat go: the man is a truly a brilliant storyteller. And I'm worried about Chibnall being the new showrunner, as his previous Who episodes ranged from mediocre to bad. Hopefully Whittaker can make up for him though.

Also, I'm now convinced that Doctor's name actually is "Who".

Which episodes did chinball write again? I really didn't care for broadchurch so I haven't seen it. Honestly I'm not super stoked for him as showrunner but I'm sure thirteen will have some fantastic episodes and she'll be great.

We're not talking about children here, we're talking about this. Also that .

Except when he made that statement in the classic run he made it towards Susan. Who was a teenager.He never said that towards his adult female companions

I honestly thought he mistook Bills actual age because of this.

edited 26th Dec '17 7:57:27 AM by DeanCole

I'm not too worried. Another discussion I followed recently made the point that there's always a mixed bag of episodes. Eccleston's season gave us The Empty Child and The Doctor Dances in the same season it gave us three episodes focused on farting aliens, while Blink and the Family of Blood episodes share a season with Daleks in Manhattan.

So I'm confident we'll see good eps. They may be diamonds in the rough, but they'll be there nonetheless.

edited 26th Dec '17 7:57:39 AM by sgamer82

Chibnall has written 42, The Hungry Earth / Cold Blood, Dinosaurs on a Spaceship, and The Power of Three.

Dinosaurs on a Spaceship is the one that has me concerned the most about Chibnall's writing, as that one has the Doctor palling around with an allegedly lovable misogynist.

So fantastically mediocre, pretty damn mediocre, so mediocre I ironically loved it at one point, also mediocre.

I will say that the ideas behind all of his episodes (except sort of the Silurian ones...they're almost remakes of a classic series serial) are pretty interesting. The execution is where it kind of went meh. And the Power of Three's main problem is that it actually needed more time. The actual villain is introduced almost at the last minute, given a hand-wave of an explanation and then dealt with. I wouldn't say it needed two parts, but it should have been extended a little bit if possible.

Just watched the regeneration scene and one minor touch that struck me was the ring falling off the Doctor's finger. While it's probably in part to signify River, what struck me was that when the First Doctor regenerated, Ben tried to make him wear a ring the Doctor favored only for it to not for the Second Doctor's finger.

Also, could we please get one regeneration in New Who without the TARDIS getting damaged and/or crashing immediately after?

edited 26th Dec '17 11:12:52 AM by sgamer82

9 to 10 didn’t destroy the TARDIS or even crash so much as land badly.

Honestly I kind enjoyed the fact that the Doctor’s sexist old grandpa was himself, it was a good testament to how far the show has come.

I still prefer 11 and 9, I enjoy seeing the Doctor go out with a smile on their face, going by the parters 13 should go out with a smile on her face to.

Here's the regeneration scene, with handy subtitles so you can see what the two Doctors are actually saying:

https://twitter.com/ALightwood_Bane/status/945369115082018816

I'd venture that the more the Doctor holds back the regeneration, the more destructive the built up excess energy on the explosion, but One was holding back too.

I enjoyed the embarrassing granddad routine for comedy, but I caught a faint impression that Twelve's patronizing attitude toward Bill when ordering her into the TARDIS demonstrated that he still has room to grow, and I liked that message.

Twelve's speech to Thirteen was the main place I thought it dragged. Especially going on and on about keeping the secret of the Name.

edited 27th Dec '17 8:43:39 PM by TParadox

Finished watching it.

Why do I have a feeling this going to be the Third Doctor all over again?

Eleven only fell out of the TARDIS what, twice?

Y'know what the strangest thing about Capaldi's Doctor is? How much the character changed. It is so awkward to see people refer to him as the "dour, cynical" Doctor, as Twelve only remained a grump for Series Eight. After Series Eight, Twelve emerges as perhaps the most kind, emotionally warm, and hopeful Doctor of the New Series. Nine, Ten and Eleven's rage is largely gone. It only reappears after Clara is killed, before subsiding by the end of the episode. He is just as Adorkable as Ten and Eleven, if not more so.

Which leads me to ask how Jodie is gonna be different. How is she going to evolve from the most heroic Doctor in years?

edited 28th Dec '17 12:39:55 AM by SilentColossus

My guess? By being heroic while also not being abrasive as frick, and a lot more fun. Or at least that's what I want to see.

I'm still a bit curious how they'll portray Thirteen. She's been a man for 2000 years. I think the smart way would be to portray her as ambivalent.

I loved the childlike wonder on her face. That, to me, is a key element of the Doctor.

And I doubt someone who comments about the color of their kidneys, or hair, or chin, or skinniness is gonna be completely ambivalent to changing genders.

Yeah really expect the biggest change for the Doctor I'm terms of gender is people treating her differently.

Men are just going to be suddenly walking into her on the street. (honestly the most baffling moment of my transition)