Doctor Who

"I don't want to go" was terrible last words...i did like the reprise from day of the doctor mind you

" I did the right thing, didn't I? It all worked out in the end." "In the end? Nothing ends, Adrian. Nothing ever ends."

Yeah, if the series was actually ending End of Time would be...fine, I guess. I would hate it about as much as I hate the rest of RTD's era but it's a perfectly reasonable endcap considering the era's aesthetic.

As an episode with some torch-passing to do it's godawful.

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.

I feel like all in all Simms's Master adds more to that character than it takes away.

In terms of End of Time. I liked seeing the family member of a previous story have agency; it actually gave a feeling that the world exists outside the Doctor, or rather the show's view, that a minor character can become a lead.

I also liked it breaking the mold of the Christmas specials?

Um, the thing about the Doctor not actually ever considering that the Master's pain was real? That actually adds nuance to why their relationship is destructive, and in part, makes the conflict of their relationship collaborative.

Also revealing the Time Lords as villains does a great job of enriching the Doctor's loneliness from the previous three seasons. And it also opened up their next appearance to be interesting. (Time of the Doctor really benefitted from the status quo the End of Time installed)

Too bad none of the horrible monsters the doctor mentioned during The End of Time have ever surfaced

They sound really cool

New theme music also a box

My personal favorite was the Could Have Been King and his army of Meanwhiles and Never Weres.

Sounds so gaimany awesome

" I did the right thing, didn't I? It all worked out in the end." "In the end? Nothing ends, Adrian. Nothing ever ends."

...You called?

edited 30th Aug '16 5:12:39 PM by unnoun

Yeah Ten's last moment was self pity, which is very him. That's why I liked 11s death so much, his very final moment (if after his "one last victory" but) was him trying to comfort Clara, he'd had his hallucination he'd had everything, but there she was in pain and he reached out to comfort her.

edited 30th Aug '16 6:18:32 PM by Silasw

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran

Yeah. I like 9's for much the same reason, although I think his had somewhat less ceremony (he only got one season, after all).

Wonder what 12's regeneration story will be like...

Oh God! Natural light!

Popular theory would be that 12, starting to regenerate, picks up his guitar, starts playing a beautiful melody, and then mid way though the quality suddenly drops as the new doctor thumbels around on the instrument like a novice.

I like it for being poetic, but I think that puts the new Doctor at a bit of a disadvantage.

An interesting idea, but I agree it doesn't quite start the new Doctor off on the best note. Mind you, a good actor could probably play it off well...

I wonder - do you guys think that Clara should return for 12's final story? It wouldn't be particularly hard for her to do so...

Oh God! Natural light!

Definitely. Heck, she probably will, if only for 5 minutes or so during 12's last moments. Sort of a send-off thing.

It's...it's not traditional, but it's perceived as such these days, I think. Four and Five regenerated surrounded by visions of past companions, Eight listed off many of his before his regeneration, Ten got the farewell tour, Eleven got a hallucination of Amy (and indeed it was apparently planned to have him see many other characters from his era, but it was cut for time and scheduling reasons.)

So Clara at least will definitely come back for Twelve's regeneration.

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.

What where the other hullcinations meant to be?

I don't like the returning companion thing. It worked for Ten and Five because they had so many, but for Eleven it comes across as "Amy is more important to this era than Clara" and that left me really bitter.

I would hate for the show to argue that Clara is more important than Bill. That is uncomfortably close to Rose always over shadowing Martha.

If I recall correctly, it was supposed to be Amy, Rory, River, Brian, Craig, Sophie, Stormageddon, Vastra, Jenny, and Strax.

EDIT: BBC America's website confirms.

See to me, it doesn't mark Clara as more important, no more than Clara's return would mark Bill as less important. They're still here. The Doctor doesn't need to hallucinate them.

No doubt if Capaldi's on his third companion by the time he regenerates, Clara and Bill will both come back. Hell, Rory was always more Amy's companion than the Doctor's.

edited 31st Aug '16 12:28:30 PM by Wackd

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.

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Who was Bill again?

And yeah, I'm sure Clara will be back. Rose (and nearly everyone else, even Jackie) came back at the end for Ten, and Eleven got to see Amy again. I figure Clara will somehow appear for 12's last run.

One Strip! One Strip!

Aw, that's a really cute collection of families. The entire stormaggedon family seems excessive for a group who only had two episodes, but it works. I'm surprised Dorium wasn't there, perhaps as a head in a box in River's arm.

Kate not being there feels right considering she was always intended to stick around for multiple doctors.

edited 31st Aug '16 1:12:52 PM by Whowho

Clara's successor, to be played by Pearl Mackie next series.

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.

Oh. I assumed it was someone who'd already appeared.

I forgot the new girl's name was Bill.

Have we determined when she's from? I re-call her clothes looking rather eighties-ish in the trailer she debuted in.

One Strip! One Strip!

I think Moff confirmed present day but with cool fashion sense.

We're probably never going to get a main companion that isn't from the modern era unfortunately.

Probably not, given the companion is supposed to be the person we the viewers relate to. We haven't had a TV companion like that since Jamie, Victoria, Zoe and, less directly, Leela. Nyssa and Adric were aliens themselves, so not sure they count.

Don't forget Turlough; he's an alien too. Seriously though, would it kill the BBC to get an alien or someone from a different time period in the TARDIS again? They don't even to be the 'main companion'; just someone else in there to mix things up a bit. And maybe if they do well enough, there can be more of them. It'd at least be a start; nothing wrong with that.

They could always go back to having more than one full time companion but the show seems to be weirdly averse to doing that.

edit: I know we have people like River, Captain Jack, and the Paternoster gang but they're not full time characters.

edited 31st Aug '16 2:51:24 PM by Kostya

Nu Who has mixed success juggling multiple companions

Like Martha being majorly sidelined in the Doctors Daughter

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