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* HarsherInHindsight: As per the entry on the trivia page, someone who saw this film [[CannotTellFictionFromReality mistook fiction for reality]], assumed that chemical weapons were accurately portrayed therein, and on that basis credited what turned out to be a fabricated report that Iraq was producing weapons of mass destruction, which prompted Great Britain's decision to enter the Iraq War on the side of the United States.

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* HilariousInHindsight: Early in the film, Todd Louiso's character mocks Goodspeed for spending an exorbitant sum of money on an LP when he could've bought the same album on CD for a fraction of the cost. Louiso later played Dick in ''Film/HighFidelity'', a vinyl purist who spends almost all of his spare time (and disposable income) collecting and listening to obscure records, and views [=CDs=] as a marketing scam.

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Early in the film, Todd Louiso's character mocks Goodspeed for spending an exorbitant sum of money on an LP when he could've bought the same album on CD for a fraction of the cost. Louiso later played Dick in ''Film/HighFidelity'', a vinyl purist who spends almost all of his spare time (and disposable income) collecting and listening to obscure records, and views [=CDs=] as a marketing scam.


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** The sassy hotel barber, when he runs into the fleeing Mason in the elevator.
--->"Okay, I don't want to know nothing. I never saw you throw that gentleman off the balcony. All I care about is: are you happy with your haircut?"
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Whether he was bluffing is irrespective about whether they could have or should have at least contemplated paying the families to make him back down.


* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: The president and his advisors for never even ''considering'' giving into Hummel’s incredibly reasonable demands to simply do what they should have done in the first place. Though in total fairness, taking an island full of hostages and threatening to shoot nerve gas into San Francisco does diminish the reasonableness somewhat, and it's not like they can take the chance that he's bluffing once it gets to that point.

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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: The president and his advisors for never even ''considering'' giving into Hummel’s incredibly reasonable demands to simply do what they should have done in the first place. Though in total fairness, taking an island full of hostages and threatening to shoot nerve gas into San Francisco does diminish the reasonableness somewhat, and it's not like they can take the chance that he's bluffing once it gets to that point.naturally harden an audience against you.
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* RootingForTheEmpire: Hummel is very easy to root for. He only uses violent force when he absolutely has to, takes no joy in the methods he's been forced to use, is fighting for an unequivocally righteous cause (getting financial aid for the surviving families of subordinates who died under his command while on black ops missions the government has disavowed) and ultimately reveals [[spoiler: he was never planning to launch the rockets anyway and even aids the heroes in disabling them in his dying moments.]] It really says something that the film resorts to [[spoiler:his henchmen betraying and killing him]] to make sure you're rooting for the right side in the climax.

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* RootingForTheEmpire: Hummel is very easy to root for. He only uses violent force when he absolutely has to, takes no joy in the methods he's been forced to use, is fighting for an unequivocally righteous cause (getting financial aid for the surviving families of subordinates who died under his command while on black ops missions the government has disavowed) and ultimately reveals [[spoiler: he was never planning to launch the rockets anyway and even aids the heroes in disabling them in his dying moments.]] As a bonus, he's also played by the naturally commanding and charismatic Ed Harris. It really says something that the film resorts to [[spoiler:his henchmen betraying and killing him]] to make sure you're rooting for the right side in the climax.
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* NightmareFuel: One of Hummel's men falling victim to the VX gas during the raid. Seeing his genuine panic as his body begins to boil is pretty unnerving, as is the fact that his fellow Marines can do nothing for him. Later Goodspeed describes exactly what happened to the Marine (and what will happen to thousands of people if even one of the rockets is launched) in gruesome detail:

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* NightmareFuel: One of Hummel's men falling victim to the VX gas during the raid. Seeing his genuine panic as his body begins to boil is pretty unnerving, as is the fact that his fellow Marines can do nothing for him.him, not even give him the mercy of a quick death. Later Goodspeed describes exactly what happened to the Marine (and what will happen to thousands of people if even one of the rockets is launched) in gruesome detail:



** Armed with this description, the audience can appreciate exactly what is happening at the climax when Capt. Frye is force-fed a gas pellet and his body instantly absorbs a dose of the chemical powerful enough to kill over a thousand people.

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** Armed with this description, the audience can appreciate exactly what is happening at the climax when Capt. Frye is force-fed a gas pellet and his body instantly absorbs a dose of the chemical powerful enough to kill over a thousand people. Not that the bastard didn't deserve it though.
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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: The president and his advisors for never even ''considering'' giving into Hummel’s incredibly reasonable demands to simply do what they should have done in the first place.

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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: The president and his advisors for never even ''considering'' giving into Hummel’s incredibly reasonable demands to simply do what they should have done in the first place. Though in total fairness, taking an island full of hostages and threatening to shoot nerve gas into San Francisco does diminish the reasonableness somewhat, and it's not like they can take the chance that he's bluffing once it gets to that point.
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* OverrankedSoldier: Hummel introduces Crisp as a ''Gunnery'' Sergeant, a rank that usually requires a minimum of 13-15 years of service in the Marine Corps, and the average age of a "Gunny" is 35 (Creator/BokeemWoodbine was 22 at the time the film was released). Even allowing for a BattlefieldPromotion and Crisp's outstanding performance during Desert Storm, his actor is still ridiculously young to be holding such a rank.
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* ''Film/TheRock'':

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* MagnificentBastard: [[FourStarBadass Brigadier General Francis X. "Frank" Hummel]], disgusted with the lack of respect for [[AFatherToHisMen his dead servicemen]], tries to [[WellIntentionedExtremist force the American government]] to pay the families of the fallen reparations by stealing [[DeadlyGas deadly VX gas]] to threaten a terrorist attack on San Francisco should they fail to meet his terms. Predicting the Pentagon's every move, Hummel sets up a stronghold in Alcatraz and manages to easily trap and dispatch the US Navy SEAL team sent after him. Finding himself unable to use his gas-carrying missiles on civilians, even in defeat Hummel makes preparations to get his men to safety while [[GracefulLoser ready to face the consequences alone]].

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** [[ColonelBadass Captain John Patrick Mason]] is a [[RetiredBadass former British special operative]] jailed for stealing and hiding an American microfilm. The only man to [[EscapeArtist escape from Alcatraz]], Mason is summoned when the rogue General Francis X. Hummel loads his VX gas missiles on the prison island. Easily outwitting the smug FBI Director offering a fake pardon, Mason nearly abandons San Francisco to Hummel's forces, [[NominalHero only relenting]] when hero Stanley Goodspeed appeals to Mason's love for his own estranged daughter. Bonding with Goodspeed as they defeat the marines, their newfound friendship leads Goodspeed to lie about Mason's death to the FBI, [[EarnYourHappyEnding allowing him to escape]] after telling Goodspeed the microfilm's location.
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[[FourStarBadass Brigadier General Francis X. "Frank" Hummel]], disgusted with Hummel]] vows to force the lack of respect for [[AFatherToHisMen his dead servicemen]], tries American government to [[WellIntentionedExtremist force the American government]] to pay the families uncompensated families]] of the [[AFatherToHisMen his fallen reparations by stealing [[DeadlyGas deadly men]], who died on covert missions. Stealing canisters of VX gas]] gas and threatening to threaten a terrorist attack on fire upon San Francisco should they fail to meet lest his terms. Predicting the Pentagon's every move, demands be met, Hummel sets takes up a stronghold his base of operations in Alcatraz and manages to easily trap and dispatch prison. Strategically plotting against the US minds of the Pentagon, Hummel utterly outplays but [[TheFettered laments at seeing]] most of the invading Navy SEAL team sent after him. Finding massacred. Matching wits with heroes Mason and Goodspeed, Hummel only relents when he finds himself unable to use murder innocent civilians and gracefully calls off his gas-carrying missiles on civilians, even in defeat Hummel makes preparations plan, trying to get promise his men to their safety while [[GracefulLoser ready as they withdraw and only getting killed due to face two rogue, careless henchmen, giving the consequences alone]].heroes the [[VillainsDyingGrace location of the final missile as he dies]].
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* OverrankedSoldier: Hummel introduces Crisp as a ''Gunnery'' Sergeant, a rank that usually requires a minimum of 13-15 years of service in the Marine Corps, and the average age of a "Gunny" is 35 (Creator/BokeemWoodbine was 22 at the time the film was released). Even allowing for BattlefieldPromotions and Crisp's outstanding performance during Desert Storm, his actor is still ridiculously young to be holding such a rank.

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* OverrankedSoldier: Hummel introduces Crisp as a ''Gunnery'' Sergeant, a rank that usually requires a minimum of 13-15 years of service in the Marine Corps, and the average age of a "Gunny" is 35 (Creator/BokeemWoodbine was 22 at the time the film was released). Even allowing for BattlefieldPromotions a BattlefieldPromotion and Crisp's outstanding performance during Desert Storm, his actor is still ridiculously young to be holding such a rank.

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* NightmareFuel: One of Hummel's men falling victim to the VX gas during the raid. Seeing his genuine panic as his body begins to boil is pretty unnerving, as is the fact that his fellow marines can do nothing for him.
-->'''Goodspeed''' (to Mason, handling a canister to disarm it): The second you don't respect this, '''it kills you'''.
-->'''Goodspeed:''' It's one of those things we wish we could dis-invent.

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* NightmareFuel: One of Hummel's men falling victim to the VX gas during the raid. Seeing his genuine panic as his body begins to boil is pretty unnerving, as is the fact that his fellow marines Marines can do nothing for him.
-->'''Goodspeed''' (to
him. Later Goodspeed describes exactly what happened to the Marine (and what will happen to thousands of people if even one of the rockets is launched) in gruesome detail:
-->'''Goodspeed''': ''[holding a gas canister]''
Mason, handling a canister to disarm it): The the second you don't respect this, '''it kills you'''.
-->'''Goodspeed:''' It's one
you'''...\\
'''Mason''': How?\\
'''Goodspeed''': ...Stops the brain from sending nerve messages down the spinal cord within thirty seconds. Any epidermal exposure or inhalation, you'll know, a twinge at the small
of those things we wish we could dis-invent.your back, as the poison seizes your nervous system... your muscles freeze, you can't breathe, you spasm so hard you break your own back and spit your guts out... but that's after your skin melts off.
** Armed with this description, the audience can appreciate exactly what is happening at the climax when Capt. Frye is force-fed a gas pellet and his body instantly absorbs a dose of the chemical powerful enough to kill over a thousand people.

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* OneSceneWonder -
** Gen. Pederson.
-->"Seventy. Seventy thousand dead. A drop of VX hits the floor is lethal up to a hundred feet. One teaspoon of this shit detonated on the atmosphere will kill every living thing within an 8 block radius. Get the point?"

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** Gen. Pederson.
-->"Seventy.
Pederson:
--->'''General Kramer''': What is the potential casualty rate of a single rocket armed with VX poison gas, General Pederson?\\
'''Pederson''': Sixty or seventy...\\
'''Sinclair''': Well, that-that's not so bad.\\
'''Pederson''': ...''thousand''.
Seventy thousand dead. A drop ''thousand'' dead.\\
'''Sinclair''': [[ShuttingUpNow ...Oh.]]\\
'''Pederson''': One teaspoon
of VX this hits the floor is floor, it's lethal up to to... a hundred feet. One teaspoon of this shit detonated on the atmosphere in an atmosphere... will kill every living thing organism within an 8 block 8-block radius. Get the point?"point?



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* OverrankedSoldier: Hummel introduces Crisp as a ''Gunnery'' Sergeant, a rank that usually requires a minimum of 13-15 years of service in the Marine Corps, and the average age of a "Gunny" is 35 (Creator/BokeemWoodbine was 22 at the time the film was released). Even allowing for BattlefieldPromotions and Crisp's outstanding performance during Desert Storm, his actor is still ridiculously young to be holding such a rank.

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* SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic: Music/HansZimmer's entire soundtrack, most notably "A Grave Injustice", "Hummel Gets The Rockets", and "Shower Room Massacre".

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* SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic: Music/HansZimmer's entire soundtrack, most notably "A Grave Injustice", "Hummel Gets AluminumChristmasTrees: The Rockets", and "Shower Room Massacre".age of White House Chief of Staff Hayden Sinclair (33) seems to be a ContrivedCoincidence, allowing Hummel (and the audience) to dismiss him as a NaiveNewcomer who was exactly 9 years old when Hummel was running black ops in Southeast Asia. However, UsefulNotes/DickCheney set a modern record by becoming UsefulNotes/GeraldFord's Chief of Staff at age 34, so for a WH Chief of Staff to be in his early 30s is rare but not impossible.


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* SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic: Music/HansZimmer's entire soundtrack, most notably "A Grave Injustice", "Hummel Gets The Rockets", and "Shower Room Massacre".
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* CatharsisFactor: Given how utterly despicable monsters Frye and Darrow were, seeing their gruesome demises at the hands of Goodspeed were tremendously satisfying to watch.
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** There's another theory which posits that this movie takes place within the same universe as Creator/MichaelBay's ''Film/Armageddon1998''. In addition to Bay directing both, Stanley Anderson plays the U.S. President in both movies; yet his president is never named in either. The movies were released (and presumably set in) 1996 and 1998, respectively. Both years fall within the same presidential term (which in real life was UsefulNotes/BillClinton's second). The theory stipulates that Anderson is playing the same president in both films and therefore the films are set in the same universe.

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** There's another theory which posits that this movie takes place within the same universe as Creator/MichaelBay's ''Film/Armageddon1998''. In addition to Bay directing both, Stanley Anderson plays the U.S. President in both movies; yet his president is never named in either. The movies were released (and presumably set in) 1996 and 1998, respectively. Both years fall within the same presidential term (which in real life was UsefulNotes/BillClinton's second). The theory stipulates that Anderson is playing the same president in both films and therefore the films are set in the same universe.
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** In one scene, Womack argues with the President of the United States's Chief of Staff. Creator/JohnSpencer, who plays Womack, would later star on ''Series/TheWestWing'' as Leo [=McGarry=], the Chief of Staff of President Bartlet.
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** In addition, Goodspeed is played by an actor with quite the reputation for lavish spending on special items.
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** There's another theory which posits that this movie takes place within the same universe as Creator/MichaelBay's ''{{Film/Armageddon}}''. In addition to Bay directing both, Stanley Anderson plays the U.S. President in both movies; yet his president is never named in either. The movies were released (and presumably set in) 1996 and 1998, respectively. Both years fall within the same presidential term (which in real life was UsefulNotes/BillClinton's second). The theory stipulates that Anderson is playing the same president in both films and therefore the films are set in the same universe.

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** There's another theory which posits that this movie takes place within the same universe as Creator/MichaelBay's ''{{Film/Armageddon}}''.''Film/Armageddon1998''. In addition to Bay directing both, Stanley Anderson plays the U.S. President in both movies; yet his president is never named in either. The movies were released (and presumably set in) 1996 and 1998, respectively. Both years fall within the same presidential term (which in real life was UsefulNotes/BillClinton's second). The theory stipulates that Anderson is playing the same president in both films and therefore the films are set in the same universe.

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