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*** He engineered or influenced corruption White Scars, Blood Angels and the rest fall to Chaos.
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*** He engineered or influenced corruption White Scars, Blood Angels and the rest fall to Chaos. The Ruinstorm Breaks: Part One implies [[spoiler: he's done the same to the Ethereal Caste, setting up the T'au Empire as unwitting pawns]]
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*** He actively engineer engineered or influenced corruption White Scars, Blood Angels and others the rest fall to Chaos.
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* FridgeBrilliance: While it may have started as twisted reflections of their loyalist selves, the presence of the Ruinstorm probably stopped the Ultramarines from degenerating into an equivalent of Canon 40k's Black legion: on one hand it gave the Ultramarines an entirely different haven all for themselves, allowing them to escape from the purge that almost drove the Sons of Horus to extinction in canon. Plus it also allowed them to keep Guilliman's body enshrined without the issues that faced the Sons of Horus in Maeleum, keeping the worship of their Primarch alive and well for ten thousand years.
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* FridgeBrilliance: FridgeBrilliance:
** While it may have started as twisted reflections of their loyalist selves, the presence of the Ruinstorm probably stopped the Ultramarines from degenerating into an equivalent of Canon 40k's Black legion: on one hand it gave the Ultramarines an entirely different haven all for themselves, allowing them to escape from the purge that almost drove the Sons of Horus to extinction in canon. Plus it also allowed them to keep Guilliman's body enshrined without the issues that faced the Sons of Horus in Maeleum, keeping the worship of their Primarch alive and well for ten thousandyears.years.
** Many of the RH loyalists are shown to be far more compassionate and in some cases accomplishing than many of the 40K loyalists were. This could be because the origin started as a Changer of Ways's vision give to an Ultramarine successor, as if to break his spirit by showing him that the Imperium that the Ultramarines helped to create was far worse than the alternative if the roles were swapped, and perhaps to show him that he and his lineage were inferior.
** While it may have started as twisted reflections of their loyalist selves, the presence of the Ruinstorm probably stopped the Ultramarines from degenerating into an equivalent of Canon 40k's Black legion: on one hand it gave the Ultramarines an entirely different haven all for themselves, allowing them to escape from the purge that almost drove the Sons of Horus to extinction in canon. Plus it also allowed them to keep Guilliman's body enshrined without the issues that faced the Sons of Horus in Maeleum, keeping the worship of their Primarch alive and well for ten thousand
** Many of the RH loyalists are shown to be far more compassionate and in some cases accomplishing than many of the 40K loyalists were. This could be because the origin started as a Changer of Ways's vision give to an Ultramarine successor, as if to break his spirit by showing him that the Imperium that the Ultramarines helped to create was far worse than the alternative if the roles were swapped, and perhaps to show him that he and his lineage were inferior.
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*** He actively engineer White Scars, Blood Angels and others fall to Chaos.
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*** For Aeonid Thiel, him ignoring his spectral parents' pleas to turn back (even if he did considered it for a moment) and banishing them back into the Warp serves as his own indicator that Guilliman is BeyondRedemption, as this was quite literally the last opportunity he would ever had to do so.
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*** For Aeonid Thiel, him ignoring his spectral parents' pleas to turn back (even if he did considered consider it for a moment) and banishing them back into the Warp serves as his own indicator that Guilliman is BeyondRedemption, as this was quite literally the last opportunity he would ever had to do so.
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* FridgeBrilliance: While it may have started as twisted reflections of their loyalist selves. The presence of the Ruinstorm probably stopped the Ultramarines from degenerating into an equivalent of Canon 40k's Black legion: On one hand it gave the Ultramarines an entirely different haven all for themselves, allowing them to escape from the purge that almost drove the Sons of Horus to extinction in canon. Plus it also allowed them to keep Guilliman's body enshrined without the issues that faced the Sons of Horus in Maeleum, keeping the worship of their Primarch alive and well for ten thousand years.
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* FridgeBrilliance: While it may have started as twisted reflections of their loyalist selves. The selves, the presence of the Ruinstorm probably stopped the Ultramarines from degenerating into an equivalent of Canon 40k's Black legion: On on one hand it gave the Ultramarines an entirely different haven all for themselves, allowing them to escape from the purge that almost drove the Sons of Horus to extinction in canon. Plus it also allowed them to keep Guilliman's body enshrined without the issues that faced the Sons of Horus in Maeleum, keeping the worship of their Primarch alive and well for ten thousand years.
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** After it is revealed [[spoiler:Daemon Primarch Sanguinius is not as insane as he appeared and that he had been faking it in order to plan for the Angel War, it is also revealed that he killed his brother Horus' clones hundreds of times was not so they 'could be brothers again' as many had thought, but to wash away any remaining doubt and conscience within himself in a tide of fratricidal blood]]. He also [[spoiler:don't give a damn about his Legion anymore where before he had originally damned himself for their salvation from their genetic flaws, not bothering to call them for his Angel War and not even batting an eye when his Sanguinary Guard captain Azkaellon was killed after he had spent literally aeons faithfully guarding Sanguinius in UndyingLoyalty]]. Both revealed [[spoiler:Sanguinius have been utterly corrupted by Slaanesh into such a completely solipsistic monster even Lorgar, who was willing to give his brother Daemon Primarch Lion El'Jonson a chance to be saved, know full well that Sanguinius is truly BeyondRedemption, and does not hesitate to put him down permenantly when the chance was offered]].
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** After it is revealed [[spoiler:Daemon Primarch Sanguinius is not as insane as he appeared and that he had been faking it in order to plan for the Angel War, it is also revealed that he killed his brother Horus' clones hundreds of times was not so they 'could be brothers again' as many had thought, but to wash away any remaining doubt and conscience within himself in a tide of fratricidal blood]]. He also [[spoiler:don't give a damn about his Legion anymore where before he had originally damned himself for their salvation from their genetic flaws, not bothering to call them for his Angel War and not even batting an eye when his Sanguinary Guard captain Azkaellon was killed after he had spent literally aeons faithfully guarding Sanguinius in UndyingLoyalty]]. Both revealed [[spoiler:Sanguinius have been utterly corrupted by Slaanesh into such a completely solipsistic monster even Lorgar, who was willing to give his brother Daemon Primarch Lion El'Jonson a chance to be saved, know knows full well that Sanguinius is truly BeyondRedemption, and does not hesitate to put him down permenantly when the chance was offered]].
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* FridgeBrilliance: While it may have started as twisted reflections of their loyalist selves. The presence of the Ruinstorm probably stopped the Ultramarines from degenerating into an equivalent of Canon 40k' Black legion: On one hand it gave the Ultramarines an entirely different haven all for themselves, allowing them to escape from the purge that almost drove the Sons of Horus to extinction in canon. Plus it also allowed them to keep Guilliman's body enshrined without the issues that faced the Sons of Horus in Maeleum, keeping the worship of their Primarch alive and well ffor ten thousand years.
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* FridgeBrilliance: While it may have started as twisted reflections of their loyalist selves. The presence of the Ruinstorm probably stopped the Ultramarines from degenerating into an equivalent of Canon 40k' 40k's Black legion: On one hand it gave the Ultramarines an entirely different haven all for themselves, allowing them to escape from the purge that almost drove the Sons of Horus to extinction in canon. Plus it also allowed them to keep Guilliman's body enshrined without the issues that faced the Sons of Horus in Maeleum, keeping the worship of their Primarch alive and well ffor for ten thousand years.
