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* JerkassWoobie: Hugh Swynford was rough and inelegant, but his personality was well-suited for a knight fighting in the Hundred Years. Then he saw Katherine and developed romantic feelings for the first time. He couldn't cope, and he ended up making himself, Katherine, and later John of Gaunt miserable. And then, [[spoiler: he was murdered for his trouble]]. Still, it's a little difficult to feel sorry for him after he tried to rape Katherine when they first met and then bullied her into marrying him.
* DeliberateValuesDissonance: Plenty of this since the novel is set in the 14th century.
** Most of the characters are of the opinion that marriage is about securing alliances and producing heirs, not love.
** Nearly everyone thinks that Katherine is an UngratefulBastard for not jumping at the chance to marry a landed knight like Hugh Swynford.
** The example most likely to bother modern readers is Katherine's willingness to force her shy 14-year-old daughter to marry a much older man she can't stand, even though Katherine herself was coerced into an arranged marriage at age 16. (She does of course call off the betrothal once Blanchette [[spoiler:contracts scarlet fever]].)
** John openly expresses the opinion that it doesn't matter whether Pedro the Cruel was a tyrant or not because he was still an anointed king.
** No one has a good word to say about the Basques or the French, and opinions of the Flemish decline after Queen Philippa's death (she was a Hainaulter and universally beloved) as the economy dives and the English begin to blame Flemish immigrants for their poverty, resulting in the murder of several Flemings during the 1381 Peasants' Revolt.

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* JerkassWoobie: Hugh Swynford was rough and inelegant, but his personality was well-suited for a knight fighting in the Hundred Years. Then he saw Katherine and developed romantic feelings for the first time. He couldn't cope, and he ended up making himself, Katherine, and later John of Gaunt miserable. And then, [[spoiler: he was murdered for his trouble]]. Still, it's a little difficult to feel sorry for him after he tried to rape Katherine when they first met and then bullied her into marrying him.
* DeliberateValuesDissonance: Plenty of this since the novel is set in the 14th century.
** Most of the characters are of the opinion that marriage is about securing alliances and producing heirs, not love.
** Nearly everyone thinks that Katherine is an UngratefulBastard for not jumping at the chance to marry a landed knight like Hugh Swynford.
** The example most likely to bother modern readers is Katherine's willingness to force her shy 14-year-old daughter to marry a much older man she can't stand, even though Katherine herself was coerced into an arranged marriage at age 16. (She does of course call off the betrothal once Blanchette [[spoiler:contracts scarlet fever]].)
** John openly expresses the opinion that it doesn't matter whether Pedro the Cruel was a tyrant or not because he was still an anointed king.
** No one has a good word to say about the Basques or the French, and opinions of the Flemish decline after Queen Philippa's death (she was a Hainaulter and universally beloved) as the economy dives and the English begin to blame Flemish immigrants for their poverty, resulting in the murder of several Flemings during the 1381 Peasants' Revolt.
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* JerkassWoobie: Hugh Swynford was rough and inelegant, but his personality was well-suited for a knight fighting in the Hundred Years. Then he saw Katherine and developed romantic feelings for the first time. He couldn't cope, and he ended up making himself, Katherine, Katherine's sister, and later John of Gaunt all miserable. And then, [[spoiler: he was eventually murdered for his trouble]]. Still, it's a little difficult to feel sorry for him considering he tried to rape Katherine when they first met and then bullied her into marrying him.

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* JerkassWoobie: Hugh Swynford was rough and inelegant, but his personality was well-suited for a knight fighting in the Hundred Years. Then he saw Katherine and developed romantic feelings for the first time. He couldn't cope, and he ended up making himself, Katherine, Katherine's sister, and later John of Gaunt all miserable. And then, [[spoiler: he was eventually murdered for his trouble]]. Still, it's a little difficult to feel sorry for him considering after he tried to rape Katherine when they first met and then bullied her into marrying him.
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** Katherine is in awe of Blanche of Lancaster from their first meeting, and she comments constantly on how beautiful, kind, and elegant the older woman is. Even after her death, she looks to the duchess for guidance.
** Nirac de Bayanne is devoted to John of Gaunt past the point of reason. He looks after the woman he assumes is John's mistress loyally and later [[spoiler: murders her husband in order to free her for John. John's ignorance of this and therefore his "ingratitude" drive Nirac insane.]]

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** Katherine is in awe of Blanche of Lancaster from their first meeting, and she comments constantly on how beautiful, kind, and elegant the older woman is. Even after her death, she looks to the duchess for guidance.
** Nirac de Bayanne is devoted to John of Gaunt past the point of reason.to a ridiculous extent. He looks after the woman he assumes is John's mistress loyally and later [[spoiler: murders her husband in order to free her for John. John's ignorance of this and therefore his "ingratitude" drive Nirac insane.]]
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* HoYay: Richard II and Robert de
** Katherine is utterly devoted to Blanche and comments constantly on how beautiful the older woman is.
* JerkassWoobie: Hugh Swynford. He was crude and rude, but being a tireless warrior his personality was well-suited for his niche in life, until he saw Katherine and developed romantic feelings for the first time. The poor guy just couldn't cope with it, and he ended up making himself, Katherine, Katherine's sister, and later, John of Gaunt, all miserable. And then, to top it all off, [[spoiler: he was eventually murdered for his trouble]].
** Of course it's difficult to feel too sorry for him considering he pretty much tried to rape Katherine when they first met and she was still bullied into marrying him.

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* HoYay: Richard II and Robert de
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** Katherine is utterly devoted to in awe of Blanche of Lancaster from their first meeting, and she comments constantly on how beautiful beautiful, kind, and elegant the older woman is.
is. Even after her death, she looks to the duchess for guidance.
** Nirac de Bayanne is devoted to John of Gaunt past the point of reason. He looks after the woman he assumes is John's mistress loyally and later [[spoiler: murders her husband in order to free her for John. John's ignorance of this and therefore his "ingratitude" drive Nirac insane.]]
* JerkassWoobie: Hugh Swynford. He Swynford was crude rough and rude, inelegant, but being a tireless warrior his personality was well-suited for his niche a knight fighting in life, until the Hundred Years. Then he saw Katherine and developed romantic feelings for the first time. The poor guy just He couldn't cope with it, cope, and he ended up making himself, Katherine, Katherine's sister, and later, later John of Gaunt, Gaunt all miserable. And then, to top it all off, [[spoiler: he was eventually murdered for his trouble]].
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** John openly expresses the opinion that it doesn't matter if Pedro the Cruel was a tyrant or not because he was still an anointed king.
** No one has a good word to say about the Basques.

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** John openly expresses the opinion that it doesn't matter if whether Pedro the Cruel was a tyrant or not because he was still an anointed king.
** No one has a good word to say about the Basques.Basques or the French, and opinions of the Flemish decline after Queen Philippa's death (she was a Hainaulter and universally beloved) as the economy dives and the English begin to blame Flemish immigrants for their poverty, resulting in the murder of several Flemings during the 1381 Peasants' Revolt.
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** Nearly everyone thinks that Katherine is an UngratefulBastard for not jumping at the chance to marry a landed knight like Hugh Swynford.
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** John openly expresses the opinion that it doesn't matter if Pedro the Cruel was a tyrant or not because he was still an anointed king.
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** The example most likely to bother modern readers is Katherine's willingness to force her shy 14-year-old daughter to marry a much older man she can't stand, even though Katherine herself was coerced into an arranged marriage at age 16. (She does of course call off the betrothal once Blanchette [[spoiler:contracts scarlet fever]].)

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** The example most likely to bother modern readers is Katherine's willingness to force her shy 14-year-old daughter to marry a much older man she can't stand, even though Katherine herself was coerced into an arranged marriage at age 16. (She does of course call off the betrothal once Blanchette [[spoiler:contracts scarlet fever]].))
** No one has a good word to say about the Basques.
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* HoYay: Richard II and Robert de Vere.

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** Katherine is utterly devoted to Blanche and comments constantly on how beautiful the older woman is.



* ValuesDissonance: Plenty of this since the novel is set in the 1400s. The example most likely to bother modern readers is Katherine's willingness to force her shy 14-year-old daughter to marry a much older man she can't stand, even though Katherine herself was coerced into an arranged marriage at age 16. (She does of course call off the betrothal once Blanchette [[spoiler:contracts scarlet fever]].)

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* ValuesDissonance: DeliberateValuesDissonance: Plenty of this since the novel is set in the 1400s. 14th century.
** Most of the characters are of the opinion that marriage is about securing alliances and producing heirs, not love.
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The example most likely to bother modern readers is Katherine's willingness to force her shy 14-year-old daughter to marry a much older man she can't stand, even though Katherine herself was coerced into an arranged marriage at age 16. (She does of course call off the betrothal once Blanchette [[spoiler:contracts scarlet fever]].)
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** Of course it's difficult to feel too sorry for him considering he pretty much tried to rape Katherine when they first met and she was still bullied into marrying him.
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* JerkassWoobie: Hugh Swynford. He was crude and rude, but being a tireless warrior his personality was well-suited for niche in life, until he saw Katherine and developed romantic feelings for the first time. The poor guy just couldn't cope with it, and he ended up making himself, Katherine, Katherine's sister, and later, John and Gaunt, all miserable. And then, to top it all off, [[spoiler: he was eventually murdered for his trouble]].

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* JerkassWoobie: Hugh Swynford. He was crude and rude, but being a tireless warrior his personality was well-suited for his niche in life, until he saw Katherine and developed romantic feelings for the first time. The poor guy just couldn't cope with it, and he ended up making himself, Katherine, Katherine's sister, and later, John and of Gaunt, all miserable. And then, to top it all off, [[spoiler: he was eventually murdered for his trouble]].
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* HoYay: Richard II

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* HoYay: Richard IIII and Robert de Vere.
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* ValuesDissonance: Plenty of this since the novel is set in the 1400s. The example most likely to bother modern readers is Katherine's willingness to force her shy 14-year-old daughter to marry a much older man she can't stand, even though Katherine herself was coerced into an arranged marriage at age 16. (She does off course call off the betrothal once Blanchette contracts scarlet fever.)

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* ValuesDissonance: Plenty of this since the novel is set in the 1400s. The example most likely to bother modern readers is Katherine's willingness to force her shy 14-year-old daughter to marry a much older man she can't stand, even though Katherine herself was coerced into an arranged marriage at age 16. (She does off of course call off the betrothal once Blanchette contracts [[spoiler:contracts scarlet fever.fever]].)
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* JerkassWoobie: Hugh Swynford. He was crude and rude, but being a tireless warrior his personality was well-suited for niche in life, until he saw Katherine and developed romantic feelings for the first time. The poor guy just couldn't cope with it, and he ended up making himself, Katherine, Katherine's sister, and later, John and Gaunt, all miserable. And then, to top it all off, [[spoiler: he was eventually murdered for his trouble]].

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* JerkassWoobie: Hugh Swynford. He was crude and rude, but being a tireless warrior his personality was well-suited for niche in life, until he saw Katherine and developed romantic feelings for the first time. The poor guy just couldn't cope with it, and he ended up making himself, Katherine, Katherine's sister, and later, John and Gaunt, all miserable. And then, to top it all off, [[spoiler: he was eventually murdered for his trouble]].trouble]].
* ValuesDissonance: Plenty of this since the novel is set in the 1400s. The example most likely to bother modern readers is Katherine's willingness to force her shy 14-year-old daughter to marry a much older man she can't stand, even though Katherine herself was coerced into an arranged marriage at age 16. (She does off course call off the betrothal once Blanchette contracts scarlet fever.)
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* JerkassWoobie: Hugh Swynford. He was crude and rude, but as a tireless warrior was well-suited for niche in life, until he saw Katherine and developed romantic feelings for the first time. The poor guy just couldn't cope with it, and he ended up making himself, Katherine, Katherine's sister, and later, John and Gaunt, all miserable. And then, to top it all off, [[spoiler: he was eventually murdered for his trouble]].

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* JerkassWoobie: Hugh Swynford. He was crude and rude, but as being a tireless warrior his personality was well-suited for niche in life, until he saw Katherine and developed romantic feelings for the first time. The poor guy just couldn't cope with it, and he ended up making himself, Katherine, Katherine's sister, and later, John and Gaunt, all miserable. And then, to top it all off, [[spoiler: he was eventually murdered for his trouble]].
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* JerkassWoobie: Hugh Swynford. He was crude and rude, but as a tireless warrior was well-suited for niche in life, until he saw Katherine and developed romantic feelings for the first time. The poor guy just couldn't cope with it, and he ended up making himself, Katherine, Katherine's sister, and later, John and Gaunt, all miserable. And then, to top it all off, [[spoiler: he was eventually murdered for his trouble]].

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