History YMMV / Incredibles2

* SoOkayItsAverage: Crosses with ToughActToFollow: While not a majority of people consider it bad [[note]](though there are those of a small growing minority who consider it to be one of Pixar's worst sequels ever and lump it in the middle of Pixar's terrible sequels of TheNewTens and it has grown significantly since due how notorious sequels are in today's era)[[/note]], nearly people didn't find this sequel nearly as good as the first one [[note]](though they do agree that it's far better than most of Pixar's then-recent sequel outputs at the time such as the two ''Cars'' sequels (especially ''WesternAnimation/Cars2'', which hilariously enough contributed to all of Pixar's recent sequels), ''WesternAnimation/MonstersUniversity'' and ''WesternAnimation/FindingDory'', despite the fact that ''Dory'' suffers from the same exact problems as ''Incredibles 2'' including having the same receptions amongst fans, though overtime ''Dory'' is seen as the far better sequel)[[/note]]. While many elements from the first film are still as good if not done better in the 2nd film, like the Family Dynamic, humor, action, music or animation (especially the ''action'' and ''animation'' which are the sequel's highlights), the overall plot can be quite lacking despite having good writing and ideas [[note]](while the plot itself builds up off of the first film's Supers being illegal subplot and does resolve it in a fitting way that could lead for more future adventures, most of the Parr family's overall family conflict is resolved about halfway through in a rather anticlimactic fashion, with only Bob and Violet getting any decent amount of CharacterDevelopment out of it (despite the fact that Violet's character arc was completely wrecked thanks to Tony's memory wipe as seen under TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot below which hurts Violet's CharacterDevelopment a little, if not completely undid her Tony development from the first film). Helen barely getting any development herself (despite being the main character), which is ironic as Helen had the same development problem in the first film along with her acting all high and mighty in front of her jealous husband after saving the train was seen as a major OutOfCharacterAlert that nearly derailed Helen's fanbase (didn't help the #[=MeToo=] and Times Up movement were just starting to kick off around this time) along with fan favorite Dash being OutOfFocus, this (along with the no TimeSkip to aging the family up to adults) was another major reason for the sequel's poor reception (though as seen above via BrokenBase, a TimeSkip focusing on an adult Parr Family would have been even more polarizing amongst younger and longtime fans, which would have killed the franchise, the jury's still decided on which move was the right call)[[/note]] and the main villain seen as massively underwhelming and disappointing (with [[spoiler:Evelyn's]] overall villain plot being seen as quite contradicting as Supers were already illegal to begin with), with another "plot-twist villain revealed in the 3rd act". Doesn't help the wait for the sequel took 14 years [[note]](this was made worse with the release date of the film being swapped with ''WesternAnimation/ToyStory4'' as some has felt that ''Incredibles 2's'' plot would have performed far better if it had kept its original 2019 release date as planned, as the story would have had more time to be developed (though it would have had stiff competition due to it going up against the likes of ''Film/Aladdin2019'', ''WesternAnimation/TheLionKing2019'' for the Summer tentpole (though as seen with ''Incredibles 2's'' total gross competing with ''Film/JurassicWorldFallenKingdom'', it would have easily crushed the Aladdin remake in total gross and would have had a similar competition to the latter if not actually ''threaten'' its overall total gross had it kept its release date) and of course ''WesternAnimation/FrozenII'' for the Oscars-Academy Awards side, of which it likely would have split with (like what happened with ''WesternAnimation/ToyStory4'' due to the polarized notoriety between both films), as switching the films respective dates with each other lead to this sequel getting ChristmasRushed)[[/note]], so expectations were quite high, that's not to say of those who still find the sequel as an EvenBetterSequel as seen above, though it's becoming far more contentious as the years go on to the point it has become forgettable with .

* ToughActToFollow: Crosses with SoOkayItsAverage, while critics gave the sequel a similar high score to the original film (92% vs 97%) that said it would be more than enough to carry it's name. Many fans consider it to be a massive downgrade from the original film that doesn't even deserve to be called incredible with a small minority calling it ''Pixar's worst sequel ever made'', though they do agree its better than most of Pixar's worst films (which includes ''Cars 2'', ''The Good Dinosaur'', and ''Lightyear'', the latter two which became {{BoxOfficeBombs}}).

* SoOkayItsAverage: Crosses with ToughActToFollow: While not a majority of people consider it bad [[note]](though there are those of a small growing minority who consider it to be one of Pixar's worst sequels ever and lump it in the middle of Pixar's terrible sequels of TheNewTens and it has grown significantly since)[[/note]], nearly people didn't find this sequel nearly as good as the first one [[note]](though they do agree that it's far better than most of Pixar's then-recent sequel outputs at the time such as the two ''Cars'' sequels (especially ''WesternAnimation/Cars2'', which hilariously enough contributed to all of Pixar's recent sequels), ''WesternAnimation/MonstersUniversity'' and ''WesternAnimation/FindingDory'', despite the fact that ''Dory'' suffers from the same exact problems as ''Incredibles 2'' including having the same receptions amongst fans, though overtime ''Dory'' is seen as the far better sequel)[[/note]]. While many elements from the first film are still as good if not done better in the 2nd film, like the Family Dynamic, humor, action, music or animation (especially the ''action'' and ''animation'' which are the sequel's highlights), the overall plot can be quite lacking despite having good writing and ideas [[note]](while the plot itself builds up off of the first film's Supers being illegal subplot and does resolve it in a fitting way that could lead for more future adventures, most of the Parr family's overall family conflict is resolved about halfway through in a rather anticlimactic fashion, with only Bob and Violet getting any decent amount of CharacterDevelopment out of it (despite the fact that Violet's character arc was completely wrecked thanks to Tony's memory wipe as seen under TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot below which hurts Violet's CharacterDevelopment a little, if not completely undid her Tony development from the first film). Helen barely getting any development herself (despite being the main character), which is ironic as Helen had the same development problem in the first film along with her acting all high and mighty in front of her jealous husband after saving the train was seen as a major OutOfCharacterAlert that nearly derailed Helen's fanbase (didn't help the #[=MeToo=] and Times Up movement were just starting to kick off around this time) along with fan favorite Dash being OutOfFocus, this (along with the no TimeSkip to aging the family up to adults) was another major reason for the sequel's poor reception (though as seen above via BrokenBase, a TimeSkip focusing on an adult Parr Family would have been even more polarizing amongst younger and longtime fans, which would have killed the franchise, the jury's still decided on which move was the right call)[[/note]] and the main villain seen as massively underwhelming and disappointing (with [[spoiler:Evelyn's]] overall villain plot being seen as quite contradicting as Supers were already illegal to begin with), with another "plot-twist villain revealed in the 3rd act". Doesn't help the wait for the sequel took 14 years [[note]](this was made worse with the release date of the film being swapped with ''WesternAnimation/ToyStory4'' as some has felt that ''Incredibles 2's'' plot would have performed far better if it had kept its original 2019 release date as planned, as the story would have had more time to be developed (though it would have had stiff competition due to it going up against the likes of ''Film/Aladdin2019'', ''WesternAnimation/TheLionKing2019'' for the Summer tentpole (though as seen with ''Incredibles 2's'' total gross competing with ''Film/JurassicWorldFallenKingdom'', it would have easily crushed the Aladdin remake in total gross and would have had a similar competition to the latter if not actually ''threaten'' its overall total gross had it kept its release date) and of course ''WesternAnimation/FrozenII'' for the Oscars-Academy Awards side, of which it likely would have split with (like what happened with ''WesternAnimation/ToyStory4'' due to the polarized notoriety between both films), as switching the films respective dates with each other lead to this sequel getting ChristmasRushed)[[/note]], so expectations were quite high, that's not to say of those who still find the sequel as an EvenBetterSequel as seen above, though it's becoming far more contentious as the years go on to the point it has become forgettable with many calling it the worst sequel of the TheNewTens if not the worst sequel ever made by Disney-Pixar as a whole.

* BrokenBase: Should the film have gone with Brad Bird's other idea and aged up the Parr Family like it [[WhatCouldHaveBeen was planned to do]]? Some are all for the idea and argue that it would've lead into far more interesting stories and a far better sequel than the final film's ImmediateSequel approach--which was criticized for [[ItsTheSameNowItSucks not progressing the characters and plot enough]][[note]]This is despite the fact that the sequel does progress Violet and Dash considerably by giving them additional CharacterDevelopment (though in Violet's case, she suffered from having a terrible character arc which stunted her growth a little) and allowing them to be superheroes independently without Helen and Bob by saving them and the other Supers in the climax (though only Violet and Jack-Jack contributed to the plot while Dash was made completely useless), on top of further developing Jack Jack and his powers, which were only barely touched upon in the first film's ending[[/note]]--and would've made perfect sense given the fourteen year SequelGap between the first film and the sequel. However, others are against the idea of aging up the Parr Family and argues that the franchise would have completely lost all of its timeless charm and feel with an older Parr Family (which would have been far harder to accept for younger kids which is the target demographic of the franchise and would have likely hurt the sequel's chances further) and that more stories can come from the Parr family as they are currently known as, helping out their side of the argument is that the sequel techinally started off right after a 3-month TimeSkip that ended the first film, thus the sequel starts with a TimeSkip already established [[note]](also helping their case out further is that most animated sequels that do involve long DistantSequel gaps in the narrative tend to be quite polarizing upon release depending on how the aging process is handled which actually hurts the fan ideas more in a case of BeCarefulWhatYouWishFor, also another point that helps their cause is that most fan ideas that do get used also tends to [[SturgeonsLaw be very polarizing]] in their own right, due to straying too far from the establishment)[[/note]], and that it would have again copied another element from the first film that didn't need to be copied[[note]]the first film begins with an ActionPrologue set during the Glory Days and jumps ahead via a 15 year TimeSkip which introduced the Parr family in full[[/note]]. And there are those that wouldn't mind a TakeAThirdOption by having the Family aged up a little bit (similar to the small 1-year TimeSkip as seen in ''WesternAnimation/FindingDory'' or the 4-year TimeSkip that's implied to take place between the events of ''WesternAnimation/MonstersUniversity'' and ''WesternAnimation/MonstersInc1'') or have them fully aged up as an epilogue scene to end the series to satisfy both sides (much like how ''Literature/HarryPotterAndTheDeathlyHallows'' did to end their series). [[note]]Though as seen under the WhatCouldHaveBeen section, aging up the Parr family would have been done as a last resort option as Bird's original plan for the sequel was to always focus directly on Helen right where the first film ended as far back after the first film's production had wrapped up as revealed in interviews leading up to the sequel's release. Had the story with Elastigirl not worked out at all, Bird would have gone with aging up the Parr Family in real time.[[/note]] In the years since the second film's release, there are those that are slowly starting to realize that Bird's plans for the sequel, while flawed in execution, that aging up the Parr Family to adults would have been a bad idea from the start, with them siding with those that want to keep the family the same age.

* ContestedSequel: Shares this with fellow Pixar sequel ''WesternAnimation/FindingDory'', having the same reception as both it and their respective first films amongst critics with the same consensus between the two sequels with critics finding the sequel to be a worthy follow-up. Some have criticized the film for having a plot similar to the [[WesternAnimation/TheIncredibles first movie]] [[SwappedRoles but with Helen's and Bob's jobs reversed]], and saw the villain as an inferior replacement to the well-received Syndrome (though [[spoiler:Evelyn]] has a decent fanbase of her own built up, but nowhere near as much as Syndrome's). The ImmediateSequel status of this film didn't help either which contributed to it falling under SoOkayItsAverage as seen below. On the other hand, a significant number of fans see the film as [[EvenBetterSequel even better]] (though the list has grown smaller overtime due to how polarizing sequels have become in recent years), as the movie significantly develops Helen's job life (in contrast to Bob's job life in the first movie, which was mostly covered in a montage) and Bob's home life was given significant focus as well.

* ContestedSequel: Some have criticized the film for having a plot similar to the [[WesternAnimation/TheIncredibles first movie]] [[SwappedRoles but with Helen's and Bob's jobs reversed]], and saw the villain as an inferior replacement to the well-received Syndrome (though [[spoiler:Evelyn]] has a decent fanbase of her own built up, but nowhere near as much as Syndrome's). The ImmediateSequel status of this film didn't help either which contributed to it falling under SoOkayItsAverage as seen below. On the other hand, a significant number of fans see the film as [[EvenBetterSequel even better]] (though the list has grown smaller overtime due to how polarizing sequels have become in recent years), as the movie significantly develops Helen's job life (in contrast to Bob's job life in the first movie, which was mostly covered in a montage) and Bob's home life was given significant focus as well.

* SoOkayItsAverage: Crosses with ToughActToFollow: While not a majority of people consider it bad [[note]](though there are those of a small growing minority who consider it to be one of Pixar's worst sequels ever and lump it in the middle of Pixar's terrible sequels of TheNewTens)[[/note]], many people didn't find this sequel nearly as good as the first one [[note]](though they do agree that it's far better than most of Pixar's then-recent sequel outputs at the time such as the two ''Cars'' sequels (especially ''WesternAnimation/Cars2'', which hilariously enough contributed to all of Pixar's recent sequels), ''WesternAnimation/MonstersUniversity'' and ''WesternAnimation/FindingDory'', despite the fact that ''Dory'' suffers from the same exact problems as ''Incredibles 2'' including having the same receptions amongst fans, though overtime ''Dory'' is seen as the far better sequel)[[/note]]. While many elements from the first film are still as good if not done better in the 2nd film, like the Family Dynamic, humor, action, music or animation (especially the ''action'' and ''animation'' which are the sequel's highlights), the overall plot can be quite lacking despite having good writing and ideas [[note]](while the plot itself builds up off of the first film's Supers being illegal subplot and does resolve it in a fitting way that could lead for more future adventures, most of the Parr family's overall family conflict is resolved about halfway through in a rather anticlimactic fashion, with only Bob and Violet getting any decent amount of CharacterDevelopment (despite the fact that Violet's character arc was completely wrecked thanks to Tony's memory wipe as seen under TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot below which hurts Violet's CharacterDevelopment a little, if not completely undid her Tony development from the first film). Helen barely getting any development herself (despite being the main character), which is ironic as Helen had the same development problem in the first film along with her acting all high and mighty in front of her jealous husband after saving the train was seen as a major OutOfCharacterAlert that nearly derailed Helen's fanbase (didn't help the #[=MeToo=] and Times Up movement were just starting to kick off around this time) along with fan favorite Dash being OutOfFocus, this (along with the no TimeSkip to aging the family up to adults) was another major reason for the sequel's poor reception (though as seen above via BrokenBase, a TimeSkip focusing on an adult Parr Family would have been even more polarizing amongst younger and longtime fans, which would have killed the franchise, the jury's still decided on which move was the right call)[[/note]] and the main villain seen as massively underwhelming and disappointing (with [[spoiler:Evelyn's]] overall villain plot being seen as quite contradicting as Supers were already illegal to begin with), with another "plot-twist villain revealed in the 3rd act". Doesn't help the wait for the sequel took 14 years [[note]](this was made worse with the release date of the film being swapped with ''WesternAnimation/ToyStory4'' as some has felt that ''Incredibles 2's'' plot would have performed far better if it had kept its original 2019 release date as planned, as the story would have had more time to be developed (though it would have had stiff competition due to it going up against the likes of ''Film/Aladdin2019'', ''WesternAnimation/TheLionKing2019'' for the Summer tentpole (though as seen with ''Incredibles 2's'' total gross competing with ''Film/JurassicWorldFallenKingdom'', it would have easily crushed the Aladdin remake in total gross and would have had a similar competition to the latter if not actually ''threaten'' its overall total gross had it kept its release date) and of course ''WesternAnimation/FrozenII'' for the Oscars-Academy Awards side, of which it likely would have split with (like what happened with ''WesternAnimation/ToyStory4'' due to the polarized notoriety between both films), as switching the films respective dates with each other lead to this sequel getting ChristmasRushed)[[/note]], so expectations were quite high, that's not to say of those who still find the sequel as an EvenBetterSequel as seen above, though it's becoming far more contentious as the years go on to the point it has become forgettable with many calling it the worst sequel of the TheNewTens if not the worst sequel ever made by Disney-Pixar as a whole.

** The film immediately opens up with a flashback showing Tony Rydinger discovering that Violet is a superhero. This potentially interesting plot line of Violet having a relationship with someone who knows about her powers is immediately destroyed when Dicker erases Tony's memory of the event, as well as the memory of Tony ever meeting Violet in the first place in TheTeaser, resetting Tony back to the same SatelliteLoveInterest he was in the first film (and by extension resetting Violet's CharacterDevelopment back outside what she carried over from the first film's events). Especially annoying since in the brief moments where he does keeps his memories before losing them, he confesses he still likes Violet and feels guilty over how he reacted. This was one of the main reasons the sequel proved to be a major disappointment to fans (especially fans of Violet as it robbed her of having a significant storyline presence), as Tony keeping his memory would have drastically altered Violet's entire story arc (and likewise would have fixed the B-story portion) and thus improve her overall as a character while also giving Tony his own character arc and purpose in the sequel's story that would have made use of his increased screentime (such as by becoming Violet's SecretKeeper (in a similar vein to Frozone and his wife Honey, who's implied to have no powers) and thus having to protect Violet's secret heroic identity at school and at his job, or possibly even becoming a hero or superhero himself, much like [[spoiler:Winston does in the climax]]).[[note]]It gets worse as revealed under the sequel's WhatCouldHaveBeen page, Tony was going to have more screentime with Violet at the motel prior to his memory erasure, implying it would have been given a build-up with him trying to apologize to Violet personally by giving her a teddy bear and a box of chocolate.[[/note]]

** [[spoiler:Screenslaver being more than one person, i.e. Evelyn and the pizza guy she manipulated]] could have made for a more interesting plot with the idea of those who hated Supers and blamed them for tragedies in their lives banding together to make sure the Supers stay illegal (also would have been a good way to bring back Oliver Sansweet, aka the man actually responsible for Supers being banned in the first place as a major antagonist, along with the victims of the L Train Accident following Bomb Voyage's accidental destruction of the tracks, working with Sansweet and Evelyn). It would have also nicely tied in with Screenslaver's Anonymous vibes, people wearing a similar outfit giving the illusion that Screenslaver is the many. Especially disappointing is that Sansweet could have tied into Evelyn's controversial backstory if not fully fix it.

* SoOkayItsAverage: Crosses with ToughActToFollow: While not a majority of people consider it bad [[note]](though there are those of a small growing minority who consider it to be one of Pixar's worst sequels ever and lump it in the middle of Pixar's terrible sequels of TheNewTens)[[/note]], many people didn't find this sequel nearly as good as the first one [[note]](though they do agree that it's far better than most of Pixar's then-recent sequel outputs at the time such as the two ''Cars'' sequels (especially ''WesternAnimation/Cars2'', which hilariously enough contributed to all of Pixar's recent sequels), ''WesternAnimation/MonstersUniversity'' and ''WesternAnimation/FindingDory'', despite the fact that ''Dory'' suffers from the same exact problems as ''Incredibles 2'' including having the same receptions amongst fans, though overtime Dory is seen as the better sequel)[[/note]]. While many elements from the first film are still as good if not done better in the 2nd film, like the Family Dynamic, humor, action, music or animation (especially the ''action'' and ''animation'' which are the sequel's highlights), the overall plot can be quite lacking despite having good writing and ideas [[note]](while the plot itself builds up off of the first film's Supers being illegal subplot and does resolve it in a fitting way that could lead for more future adventures, most of the Parr family's overall family conflict is resolved about halfway through in a rather anticlimactic fashion, with only Bob and Violet getting any decent amount of CharacterDevelopment (despite the fact that Violet's character arc was completely wrecked thanks to Tony's memory wipe as seen under TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot below which hurts Violet's CharacterDevelopment a little, if not completely undid her Tony development from the first film). Helen barely getting any development herself (despite being the main character), which is ironic as Helen had the same development problem in the first film along with her acting all high and mighty in front of her jealous husband after saving the train was seen as a major OutOfCharacterAlert that nearly derailed Helen's fanbase (didn't help the #[=MeToo=] and Times Up movement were just starting to kick off around this time) along with fan favorite Dash being OutOfFocus, this (along with the no TimeSkip to aging the family up to adults) was another major reason for the sequel's poor reception (though as seen above via BrokenBase, a TimeSkip focusing on an adult Parr Family would have been even more polarizing amongst younger and longtime fans, which would have killed the franchise, safe to assume Disney-Pixar and Brad Bird made the right call)[[/note]] and the main villain seen as massively underwhelming and disappointing (with [[spoiler:Evelyn's]] overall villain plot being seen as quite contradicting as Supers were already illegal to begin with), with another "plot-twist villain revealed in the 3rd act". Doesn't help the wait for the sequel took 14 years [[note]](this was made worse with the release date of the film being swapped with ''WesternAnimation/ToyStory4'' as some has felt that ''Incredibles 2's'' plot would have performed far better if it had kept its original 2019 release date as planned, as the story would have had more time to be developed (though it would have had stiff competition due to it going up against the likes of ''Film/Aladdin2019'', ''WesternAnimation/TheLionKing2019'' for the Summer tentpole (though as seen with ''Incredibles 2's'' total gross competing with ''Film/JurassicWorldFallenKingdom'', it would have easily crushed the Aladdin remake in total gross and would have had a similar competition to the latter if not actually ''threaten'' its overall total gross had it kept its release date) and of course ''WesternAnimation/FrozenII'' for the Oscars-Academy Awards side, of which it likely would have split with (like what happened with ''WesternAnimation/ToyStory4'' due to the polarized notoriety between both films), as switching the films respective dates with each other lead to this sequel getting ChristmasRushed)[[/note]], so expectations were quite high, that's not to say of those who still find the sequel as an EvenBetterSequel as seen above, though it's becoming far more contentious as the years go on to the point it has become forgettable.

** Out of the Parr family, Dash was seen by many fans who was highly OutOfFocus in the sequel, compared to his high screentime in the first film. It also doesn't help, he's the only one without a significant storyline of his own, which ties into his father's story. His CharacterDevelopment from the first film was all but ignored.

** [[spoiler:Screenslaver being more than one person, i.e. Evelyn and the pizza guy she manipulated]] could have made for a more interesting plot with the idea of those who hated Supers and blamed them for tragedies in their lives banding together to make sure the Supers stay illegal (also would have been a good way to bring back Oliver Sansweet, aka the man responsible for Supers being banned in the first place as a major antagonist, along with the victims of the L Train Accident following Bomb Voyage's accidental destruction of the tracks, working with Sansweet and Evelyn). It would have also nicely tied in with Screenslaver's Anonymous vibes, people wearing a similar outfit giving the illusion that Screenslaver is the many.

* BrokenBase: Should the film have gone with Brad Bird's other idea and aged up the Parr Family like it [[WhatCouldHaveBeen was planned to do]]? Some are all for the idea and argue that it would've lead into far more interesting stories and a far better sequel than the final film's ImmediateSequel approach--which was criticized for [[ItsTheSameNowItSucks not progressing the characters and plot enough]][[note]]This is despite the fact that the sequel does progress Violet and Dash considerably by giving them additional CharacterDevelopment (though in Violet's case, she suffered from having a terrible character arc which stunted her growth a little) and allowing them to be superheroes independently without Helen and Bob by saving them and the other Supers in the climax (though only Violet and Jack-Jack contributed to the plot while Dash was made completely useless), on top of further developing Jack Jack and his powers, which were only barely touched upon in the first film's ending[[/note]]--and would've made perfect sense given the fourteen year SequelGap between the first film and the sequel. However, others are against the idea of aging up the Parr Family and argues that the franchise would have completely lost all of its timeless charm and feel with an older Parr Family (which would have been far harder to accept for younger kids which is the target demographic of the franchise and would have likely hurt the sequel's chances further) and that more stories can come from the Parr family as they are currently known as, helping out their side of the argument is that the sequel techinally started off right after a 3-month TimeSkip that ended the first film, thus the sequel starts with a TimeSkip already established [[note]](also helping their case out further is that most animated sequels that do involve long DistantSequel gaps in the narrative tend to be quite polarizing upon release depending on how the aging process is handled which actually hurts the fan ideas more in a case of BeCarefulWhatYouWishFor, also another point that helps their cause is that most fan ideas that do get used also tends to [[SturgeonsLaw be very polarizing]] in their own right, due to straying too far from the establishment)[[/note]], and that it would have again copied another element from the first film that didn't need to be copied[[note]]the first film begins with an ActionPrologue set during the Glory Days and jumps ahead via a 15 year TimeSkip which introduced the Parr family in full[[/note]]. And there are those that wouldn't mind a TakeAThirdOption by having the Family aged up a little bit (similar to the small 1-year TimeSkip as seen in ''WesternAnimation/FindingDory'' or the 4-year TimeSkip that's implied to take place between the events of ''WesternAnimation/MonstersUniversity'' and ''WesternAnimation/MonstersInc'') or have them fully aged up as an epilogue scene to end the series to satisfy both sides (much like how ''Literature/HarryPotterAndTheDeathlyHallows'' did to end their series). [[note]]Though as seen under the WhatCouldHaveBeen section, aging up the Parr family would have been done as a last resort option as Bird's original plan for the sequel was to always focus directly on Helen right where the first film ended as far back after the first film's production had wrapped up as revealed in interviews leading up to the sequel's release. Had the story with Elastigirl not worked out at all, Bird would have gone with aging up the Parr Family in real time.[[/note]] In the years since the second film's release, there are those that are slowly starting to realize that Bird's plans for the sequel, while flawed in execution, that aging up the Parr Family to adults would have been a bad idea from the start, with them siding with those that want to keep the family the same age.

* HarsherInHindsight: Violet's rather sarcastic joke to Dash at the dinner table in the motel by telling him to wash his hands with soap before drying them would ultimately become far more important come the COVID-19 Pandemic when it arrived the year after this film's release and became a pandemic in 2020, where it's revealed that washing your hands with soap and drying them is one of the key ingredients to preventing the virus from spreading to others. Seems Violet wasn't just reminding Dash about being healthy, she was reminding ''us, the audience'' to do the same.

* SoOkayItsAverage: Crosses with ToughActToFollow: While not a majority of people consider it bad [[note]](though there are those of a small growing minority who consider it to be one of Pixar's worst sequels ever and lump it in the middle of Pixar's terrible sequels of TheNewTens)[[/note]], many people didn't find this sequel nearly as good as the first one [[note]](though they do agree that it's far better than most of Pixar's then-recent sequel outputs at the time such as the two ''Cars'' sequels (especially ''WesternAnimation/Cars2'', which hilariously enough contributed to all of Pixar's recent sequels), ''WesternAnimation/MonstersUniversity'' and ''WesternAnimation/FindingDory'', despite the fact that ''Dory'' suffers from the same exact problems as ''Incredibles 2'' including having the same receptions amongst fans, though overtime Dory is seen as the better sequel)[[/note]]. While many elements from the first film are still as good if not done better in the 2nd film, like the Family Dynamic, humor, action, music or animation (especially the ''action'' and ''animation'' which are the sequel's highlights), the overall plot can be quite lacking despite having good writing and ideas [[note]](while the plot itself builds up off of the first film's Supers being illegal subplot and does resolve it in a fitting way that could lead for more future adventures, most of the Parr family's overall family conflict is resolved about halfway through in a rather anticlimactic fashion, with only Bob and Violet getting any decent amount of CharacterDevelopment (despite the fact that Violet's character arc was completely wrecked thanks to Tony's memory wipe as seen under TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot below which hurts Violet's CharacterDevelopment a little, if not completely undid her Tony development from the first film). Helen barely getting any development herself (despite being the main character), which is ironic as Helen had the same development problem in the first film along with her acting all high and mighty in front of her jealous husband after saving the train was seen as a major OutOfCharacterAlert that nearly derailed Helen's fanbase (didn't help the #MeToo and Times Up movement were just starting to kick off around this time) along with fan favorite Dash being OutOfFocus, this (along with the no TimeSkip to aging the family up to adults) was another major reason for the sequel's poor reception (though as seen above via BrokenBase, a TimeSkip focusing on an adult Parr Family would have been even more polarizing amongst younger and longtime fans, which would have killed the franchise, safe to assume Disney-Pixar and Brad Bird made the right call)[[/note]] and the main villain seen as massively underwhelming and disappointing (with [[spoiler:Evelyn's]] overall villain plot being seen as quite contradicting as Supers were already illegal to begin with), with another "plot-twist villain revealed in the 3rd act". Doesn't help the wait for the sequel took 14 years [[note]](this was made worse with the release date of the film being swapped with ''WesternAnimation/ToyStory4'' as some has felt that ''Incredibles 2's'' plot would have performed far better if it had kept its original 2019 release date as planned, as the story would have had more time to be developed (though it would have had stiff competition due to it going up against the likes of ''Film/Aladdin2019'', ''WesternAnimation/TheLionKing2019'' for the Summer tentpole (though as seen with ''Incredibles 2's'' total gross competing with ''Film/JurassicWorldFallenKingdom'', it would have easily crushed the Aladdin remake in total gross and would have had a similar competition to the latter if not actually ''threaten'' its overall total gross had it kept its release date) and of course ''WesternAnimation/FrozenII'' for the Oscars-Academy Awards side, of which it likely would have split with (like what happened with ''WesternAnimation/ToyStory4'' due to the polarized notoriety between both films), as switching the films respective dates with each other lead to this sequel getting ChristmasRushed)[[/note]], so expectations were quite high, that's not to say of those who still find the sequel as an EvenBetterSequel as seen above, though it's becoming far more contentious as the years go on to the point it has become forgettable.

* SoOkayItsAverage: Crosses with ToughActToFollow: While not a majority of people consider it bad [[note]](though there are those of a small growing minority who consider it to be one of Pixar's worst sequels ever and lump it in the middle of Pixar's terrible sequels of TheNewTens)[[/note]], many people didn't find this sequel nearly as good as the first one [[note]](though they do agree that it's far better than most of Pixar's then-recent sequel outputs at the time such as the two ''Cars'' sequels (especially ''WesternAnimation/Cars2'', which hilariously enough contributed to all of Pixar's recent sequels), ''WesternAnimation/MonstersUniversity'' and ''WesternAnimation/FindingDory'', despite the fact that ''Dory'' suffers from the same exact problems as ''Incredibles 2'' including having the same receptions amongst fans, though overtime Dory is seen as the better sequel)[[/note]]. While many elements from the first film are still as good if not done better in the 2nd film, like the Family Dynamic, humor, action, music or animation (especially the ''action'' and ''animation'' which are the sequel's highlights), the overall plot can be quite lacking despite having good writing and ideas [[note]](while the plot itself builds up off of the first film's Supers being illegal subplot and does resolve it in a fitting way that could lead for more future adventures, most of the Parr family's overall family conflict is resolved about halfway through in a rather anticlimactic fashion, with only Bob and Violet getting any decent amount of CharacterDevelopment (despite the fact that Violet's character arc was completely wrecked thanks to Tony's memory wipe as seen under TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot below which hurts Violet's CharacterDevelopment a little, if not completely undid her Tony development from the first film). Helen barely getting any development herself (despite being the main character), which is ironic as Helen had the same development problem in the first film along with her acting all high and mighty in front of her jealous husband after saving the train was seen as a major OutOfCharacterAlert that nearly derailed Helen's fanbase (didn't help the #MeToo and Times Up movement were just starting to kick off around this time) along with fan favorite Dash being OutOfFocus, this (along with the no TimeSkip to aging the family up to adults) was another major reason for the sequel's poor reception (though as seen above via BrokenBase, a TimeSkip focusing on an adult Parr Family would have been even more polarizing amongst younger and longtime fans, which would have killed the franchise, safe to assume Disney-Pixar and Brad Bird made the right call)[[/note]] and the main villain seen as massively underwhelming and disappointing (with [[spoiler:Evelyn's]] overall villain plot being seen as quite contradicting as Supers were already illegal to begin with), with another "plot-twist villain revealed in the 3rd act". Doesn't help the wait for the sequel took 14 years [[note]](this was made worse with the release date of the film being swapped with ''WesternAnimation/ToyStory4'' as some has felt that ''Incredibles 2's'' plot would have performed far better if it had kept its original 2019 release date as planned, as the story would have had more time to be developed (though it would have had stiff competition due to it going up against the likes of ''Film/Aladdin2019'', ''WesternAnimation/TheLionKing2019'' for the Summer tentpole (though as seen with ''Incredibles 2's'' total gross competing with ''Film/JurassicWorldFallenKingdom'', it would have easily crushed the Aladdin remake in total gross and would have had a similar competition to the latter if not actually ''threaten'' its overall total gross had it kept its release date) and of course ''WesternAnimation/FrozenII'' for the Oscars-Academy Awards side, of which it likely would have split with (like what happened with ''WesternAnimation/ToyStory4'' due to the polarized notoriety between both films), as switching the films respective dates with each other lead to this sequel getting ChristmasRushed)[[/note]], so expectations were quite high, that's not to say of those who still find the sequel as an EvenBetterSequel as seen above, but only time will tell if the sequel becomes just as much of a CultClassic as its predecessor did (though it'll probably take decades), though it's becoming far more contentious as the years go on to the point it has become forgettable.

* BrokenBase: Should the film have gone with Brad Bird's other idea and aged up the Parr Family like it [[WhatCouldHaveBeen was planned to do]]? Some are all for the idea and argue that it would've lead into far more interesting stories and a far better sequel than the final film's ImmediateSequel approach—which was criticized for [[ItsTheSameNowItSucks not progressing the characters and plot enough]][[note]]This is despite the fact that the sequel does progress Violet and Dash considerably by giving them additional CharacterDevelopment (though in Violet's case, she suffered from having a terrible character arc which stunted her growth a little) and allowing them to be superheroes independently without Helen and Bob by saving them and the other Supers in the climax (though only Violet and Jack-Jack contributed to the plot while Dash was made completely useless), on top of further developing Jack Jack and his powers, which were only barely touched upon in the first film's ending[[/note]]—and would've made perfect sense given the fourteen year SequelGap between the first film and the sequel. However, others are against the idea of aging up the Parr Family and argues that the franchise would have completely lost all of its timeless charm and feel with an older Parr Family (which would have been far harder to accept for younger kids which is the target demographic of the franchise and would have likely hurt the sequel's chances further) and that more stories can come from the Parr family as they are currently known as, helping out their side of the argument is that the sequel techinally started off right after a 3-month TimeSkip that ended the first film, thus the sequel starts with a TimeSkip already established [[note]](also helping their case out further is that most animated sequels that do involve long DistantSequel gaps in the narrative tend to be quite polarizing upon release depending on how the aging process is handled which actually hurts the fan ideas more in a case of BeCarefulWhatYouWishFor, also another point that helps their cause is that most fan ideas that do get used also tends to [[SturgeonsLaw be very polarizing]] in their own right, due to straying too far from the establishment)[[/note]], and that it would have again copied another element from the first film that didn't need to be copied[[note]]the first film begins with an ActionPrologue set during the Glory Days and jumps ahead via a 15 year TimeSkip which introduced the Parr family in full[[/note]]. And there are those that wouldn't mind a TakeAThirdOption by having the Family aged up a little bit (similar to the small 1-year TimeSkip as seen in ''WesternAnimation/FindingDory'' or the 4-year TimeSkip that's implied to take place between ''WesternAnimation/MonstersUniversity'' and ''WesternAnimation/MonstersInc'') or have them fully aged up as an epilogue scene to end the series to satisfy both sides (much like how ''Literature/HarryPotterAndTheDeathlyHallows'' did to end their series). [[note]]Though as seen under the WhatCouldHaveBeen section, aging up the Parr family would have been done as a last resort option as Bird's original plan for the sequel was to always focus directly on Helen right where the first film ended as far back after the first film's production had wrapped up as revealed in interviews leading up to the sequel's release. Had the story with Elastigirl not worked out at all, Bird would have gone with aging up the Parr Family in real time.[[/note]] In the years since the second film's release, there are those that are slowly starting to realize that Bird's plans for the sequel, while flawed in execution, that aging up the Parr Family to adults would have been a bad idea from the thr start, with them siding with those that want to keep the family the same age.

* BrokenBase: Should the film have gone with Brad Bird's other idea and aged up the Parr Family like it [[WhatCouldHaveBeen was planned to do]]? Some are all for the idea and argue that it would've lead into far more interesting stories and a far better sequel than the final film's ImmediateSequel approach—which was criticized for [[ItsTheSameNowItSucks not progressing the characters and plot enough]][[note]]This is despite the fact that the sequel does progress Violet and Dash considerably by giving them additional CharacterDevelopment (though in Violet's case, she suffered from having a terrible character arc which stunted her growth a little) and allowing them to be superheroes independently without Helen and Bob by saving them and the other Supers in the climax (though only Violet and Jack-Jack contributed to the plot while Dash was made completely useless), on top of further developing Jack Jack and his powers, which were only barely touched upon in the first film's ending[[/note]]—and would've made perfect sense given the fourteen year SequelGap between the first film and the sequel. However, others are against the idea of aging up the Parr Family and argues that the franchise would have completely lost all of its timeless charm and feel with an older Parr Family (which would have been far harder to accept for younger kids which is the target demographic of the franchise and would have likely hurt the sequel's chances further) and that more stories can come from the Parr family as they are currently known as, helping out their side of the argument is that the sequel techinally started off right after a 3-month TimeSkip that ended the first film, thus the sequel starts with a TimeSkip already established [[note]](also helping their case out further is that most animated sequels that do involve long DistantSequel gaps in the narrative tend to be quite polarizing upon release depending on how the aging process is handled which actually hurts the fan ideas more in a case of BeCarefulWhatYouWishFor, also another point that helps their cause is that most fan ideas that do get used also tends to [[SturgeonsLaw be very polarizing]] in their own right, due to straying too far from the establishment)[[/note]], and that it would have again copied another element from the first film that didn't need to be copied[[note]]the first film begins with an ActionPrologue set during the Glory Days and jumps ahead via a 15 year TimeSkip which introduced the Parr family in full[[/note]]. And there are those that wouldn't mind a TakeAThirdOption by having the Family aged up a little bit (similar to the small 1-year TimeSkip as seen in ''WesternAnimation/FindingDory'' or the 4-year TimeSkip that's implied to take place between ''WesternAnimation/MonstersUniversity'' and ''WesternAnimation/MonstersInc'') or have them fully aged up as an epilogue scene to end the series to satisfy both sides (much like how ''Literature/HarryPotterAndTheDeathlyHallows'' did to end their series). [[note]]Though as seen under the WhatCouldHaveBeen section, aging up the Parr family would have been done as a last resort option as Bird's original plan for the sequel was to always focus directly on Helen right where the first film ended as far back after the first film's production had wrapped up as revealed in interviews leading up to the sequel's release. Had the story with Elastigirl not worked out at all, Bird would have gone with aging up the Parr Family in real time.[[/note]]

** Some have criticized the film's plot as being too similar to the first movie, [[SwappedRoles but with Helen's and Bob's roles being reversed]] and another villain who has strong opinions about the concept of superheroes (Syndrome wanting to make the term 'super' obsolete by making normal mundane humans 'super' via his tech, Screenslaver wanting them banned completely), it also doesn't help that the overall family arc was far too similar to the first film's with only minor differences.

* BrokenBase: Should the film have gone with Brad Bird's other idea and aged up the Parr Family like it [[WhatCouldHaveBeen was planned to do]]? Some are all for the idea and argue that it would've lead into far more interesting stories and a far better sequel than the final film's ImmediateSequel approach—which was criticized for [[ItsTheSameNowItSucks not progressing the characters and plot enough]][[note]]This is despite the fact that the sequel does progress Violet and Dash considerably by giving them additional CharacterDevelopment (though in Violet's case, she suffered from having a terrible character arc which stunted her growth a little) and allowing them to be superheroes independently without Helen and Bob by saving them and the other Supers in the climax (though only Violet and Jack-Jack contributed to the plot while Dash was made completely useless), on top of further developing Jack Jack and his powers, which were only barely touched upon in the first film's ending[[/note]]—and would've made perfect sense given the fourteen year SequelGap between the first film and the sequel. However, others are against the idea of aging up the Parr Family and argues that the franchise would have completely lost all of its timeless charm and feel with an older Parr Family (which would have been far harder to accept for younger kids which is the target demographic of the franchise and would have likely hurt the sequel's chances further) and that more stories can come from the Parr family as they are currently known as, helping out their side of the argument is that the sequel techinally started off right after a 3-month TimeSkip that ended the first film, thus the sequel starts with a TimeSkip already established [[note]](also helping their case out further is that most animated sequels that do involve long DistantSequel gaps in the narrative tend to be quite polarizing upon release depending on how the aging process is handled which actually hurts the fan ideas more in a case of BeCarefulWhatYouWishFor, also another point that helps their cause is that most fan ideas that do get used also tends to [[SturgeonsLaw be very polarizing]] in their own right, due to straying too far from the establishment)[[/note]], and that it would have again copied another element from the first film that didn't need to be copied[[note]]the first film begins with an ActionPrologue set during the Glory Days and jumps ahead via a 15 year TimeSkip which introduced the Parr family in full[[/note]]. And there are those that wouldn't mind a TakeAThirdOption by having the Family aged up a little bit (similar to the small TimeSkip as seen in ''WesternAnimation/FindingDory'') or have them fully aged up as an epilogue scene to end the series to satisfy both sides (much like how ''Literature/HarryPotterAndTheDeathlyHallows'' did to end their series). [[note]]Though as seen under the WhatCouldHaveBeen section, aging up the Parr family would have been done as a last resort option as Bird's original plan for the sequel was to always focus directly on Helen right where the first film ended as far back after the first film's production had wrapped up as revealed in interviews leading up to the sequel's release. Had the story with Elastigirl not worked out at all, Bird would have gone with aging up the Parr Family in real time.[[/note]]

* HarsherInHindsight: Violet's rather sarcastic joke to Dash at the dinner table in the motel by telling him to wash his hands with soap before drying them would ultimately ring true come the COVID-19 Pandemic when it arrived the year after this film's release, where it's revealed that washing your hands with soap and drying them is one of the keys to preventing the virus from spreading to others. Seems Violet wasn't just teaching Dash about being healthy.

** The film immediately opens up with a flashback showing Tony Rydinger discovering that Violet is a superhero. This potentially interesting plot line of Violet having a relationship with someone who knows about her powers is immediately destroyed when Dicker erases Tony's memory of the event, as well as the memory of Tony ever meeting Violet in the first place in TheTeaser, resetting Tony back to the same SatelliteLoveInterest he was in the first film (and by extension resetting Violet's CharacterDevelopment back). Especially annoying since in the brief moments where he does keeps his memories before losing them, he confesses he still likes Violet and feels guilty over how he reacted. This was one of the main reasons the sequel proved to be a major disappointment to fans (especially fans of Violet as it robbed her of having a significant storyline presence, as Violet's VA has since revealed (see: CreatorBacklash), as Tony keeping his memory would have drastically altered Violet's entire story arc (and likewise would have fixed the B-story portion) and thus improve her overall as a character while also giving Tony his own character arc and purpose in the sequel's story that would have made use of his increased screentime (such as by becoming Violet's SecretKeeper and thus having to protect Violet's secret heroic identity at school and at his job, or possibly even becoming a hero himself, much like [[spoiler:Winston does in the climax]]).[[note]]It gets worse as revealed under the sequel's WhatCouldHaveBeen page, Tony was going to have more screentime with Violet at the motel prior to his memory erasure, implying it would have been given a build-up with him trying to apologize to Violet personally by giving her a teddy bear and a box of chocolate.[[/note]]

* CreatorBacklash: While she was outright happy to reprise her iconic role of Violet Parr. In the years since the sequel's release however Creator/SarahVowell has since expressed and voiced complete dissatisfaction over how the final product turned out to be due to the ChristmasRushed development. With her calling the sequel "a mediocre tonal mess, that's very bland and forgettable" while expressing complete disgust over how her beloved character Violet was handled, with her CharacterDevelopment from the first film failing to carry over properly into the second film (outside of her powers and confidence which was the only stuff Violet retained), with her expressing dislike over how it properly failed to develop Violet's relationship with Tony (which was a major reason behind the sequel's reception as seen below) with Violet literally repeating the same character arc of meeting him from the first film to the point that she considers the sequel completely non-canon.
** This also extends to Creator/BobOdenkirk as well whom also expressed disappointment over the sequel's ChristmasRushed development behind the scenes to the point he would never be part of a superhero franchise again, as he feels he wasn't meant to be in a MCU-type of series, preferring to stick with his comedy gig.

* CreatorBacklash: While she was outright happy to reprise her iconic role of Violet Parr. In the years since the sequel's release however Creator/SarahVowell has since expressed and voiced complete dissatisfaction over how the final product turned out to be due to the ChristmasRushed development. With her calling the sequel "a mediocre tonal mess, that's very bland and forgettable" while expressing complete disgust over how her beloved character Violet was handled, with her CharacterDevelopment from the first film failing to carry over properly into the second film (outside of her powers and confidence) which properly failed to develop Violet's relationship with Tony with Violet literally repeating the same character arc of meeting him from the first film to the point she considers the sequel completely non-canon.

** Some have criticized the film's plot as being too similar to the first movie, [[SwappedRoles but with Helen's and Bob's roles being reversed]] and another villain who has strong opinions about the concept of superheroes (Syndrome wanting to make the term 'super' obsolete by making normal mundane humans 'super' via his tech, Screenslaver wanting them banned completely).