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* NeverLiveItDown: Charlie is not hated, but some viewers are still understandably not fully over her [[spoiler: murdering Nick in Season 4]], even if the characters have decided to forgive her for it. This is actually invoked InUniverse in Season 8 when [[spoiler:Madison reunites with her and learns what she did.]]

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Charlie is not hated, but some viewers are still understandably not fully over her [[spoiler: murdering Nick in Season 4]], even if the characters have decided to forgive her for it. This is actually invoked InUniverse in Season 8 when [[spoiler:Madison reunites with her and learns what she did.]]]]
** The hot air balloon scene as well as [[spoiler:Tom's death]] in Season 5 are commonly regarded as some of the show's lowest points and perfect examples of the SeasonalRot that season suffered from.

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* AssPull: The show's tendency to tell and not show, particularly in latter seasons, often results in major plot developments or conflicts being resolved offscreen. Several characters randomly escape from dangerous situations with no fanfare, often using hallucinations (a tried and true Scott Gimple trope) to excuse why a character didn't see what happened.

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* AssPull: The show's tendency to tell and not show, particularly in latter seasons, often results in major plot developments or conflicts being resolved offscreen. Several characters randomly escape from dangerous situations with no fanfare, often using hallucinations (a tried and true Scott Gimple trope) to excuse why a character didn't see what happened. Even the show's GrandFinale indulges in this ''twice'', with two major escapes from dangerous situations taking place entirely offscreen and characters having to catch up another after the fact.



* BigLippedAlligatorMoment: The penultimate episode of the series brings back Ben/Crane as an antagonist, which completely flies in the face of his last appearance where he peacefully surrendered and seemingly joined the reformed group. This marks his first appearance since then and reveals he snuck away offscreen and plotted to take back the island for himself with absolutely no build-up. [[spoiler:The way he suddenly dies from a very preventable death at the hands of a few walkers makes the situation even weirder.]]



** Another founding cast member, Alicia, is kept out of most of their final season and when she does return, it's with an arc most people found to be idiotic and also a retread of tropes the showrunners have been overindulging in such as hallucinations. Then Alicia gets PutOnABus until she comes back in the final episode, and while she does get a happy ending by reuniting with her mother, many consider it to be not enough to fully salvage her character arc,

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** Another founding cast member, Alicia, is kept out of most of their final season and when she does return, it's with an arc most people found to be idiotic and also a retread of tropes the showrunners have been overindulging in such as hallucinations. Then Alicia gets PutOnABus until she comes back in the final episode, and while she does get a happy ending by reuniting with her mother, many consider it to be not enough to fully salvage her character arc,arc.

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* AudienceAlienatingEra:
** A vast majority of fans believe that Season 4 marked the moment when the series began going downhill. Aside from Morgan from the main show coming back and stealing the protagonist spotlight from the Clarke family, two of its prominent members, [[spoiler:Nick and Madison]], are killed off and PutOnABus respectively. It does not help that the arcs had become repetitive and characterization took a deep nosedive to the point characters contradict themselves from time to time. Season 4 and 5 were criticized for being LighterAndSofter and having unremarkable antagonists (with Martha from Season 4 being the worst offender), and while Season 6 managed to briefly win back the crowd with Teddy Maddox being [[LoveToHate a memorable villain]] with unnaturally grandiose yet destructive goals, Season 7 immediately re-introduced several problems from past seasons and [[spoiler:rendered the main conflict totally pointless by destroying the Tower in a squabble between Strand and Alicia]]. While [[spoiler:Morgan [[ButNowIMustGo finally left the show]] halfway through Season 8 and allowed Madison to take back the protagonist role]], it was too late as the damage had already been done.
** The most hardcore fans believe that the era started as early as Season 3, which opened with [[spoiler:Travis getting killed [[DroppedABridgeOnHim very anticlimatically]]]] and as such paved the way for Morgan taking over his role.



** Season 4 has been criticized for being essentially taking every development and dumping it in the trash for the sake of introducing Morgan, [[ReplacementScrappy new characters]], and taking on [[ItsTheSameNowItSucks an identical tone to the main series]]. It starts with a two year TimeSkip with no explanation as to how the original cast got to where they were, before [[spoiler:Nick and Madison are killed later]].

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** Season 4 has been criticized for being essentially taking every development and dumping it in the trash for the sake of introducing Morgan, [[ReplacementScrappy new characters]], and taking on [[ItsTheSameNowItSucks an identical tone to the main series]]. It starts with a two year TimeSkip with no explanation as to how the original cast got to where they were, before [[spoiler:Nick is killed later and Madison are killed later]].is PutOnABus]].



** Ironically Season 5 goes into the complete opposite direction, with some fans decrying the cheesy optimistic tone, as opposed to the bleakly dark first three seasons.



* UnintentionallySympathetic: Andrew Adams, who was nothing but friendly towards the main protagonists, gets [[ColdBloodedTorture brutally tortured]] by Daniel out of bitterness at his wife and some other people taken away for shady reasons, so it's a little hard to take him as the bad guy when he comes back for revenge on Daniel. While he [[spoiler:knew of the military's plan to massacre the civilians and didn't warn them about it]], neither the characters nor the audience learn this information until it gets literally tortured out of him.



** The entire group, especially Daniel, when his reaction to the corrupt army taking away his wife and some other people from the area for shady reasons is to [[spoiler: brutally torture his daughter's new boyfriend, the only soldier to show them any sort of actual kindness, for information, then unleash a huge horde of zombies to devastate a military installation with plenty of civilians inside, including the people they were there to save. It's a little hard to take Adams as the bad guy when he comes back for revenge on Daniel when he was perfectly friendly toward the group before Daniel tortured him.]] This is only justifiable retroactively, as [[spoiler: Adams knew about the military's plan to massacre the civilians and didn't warn them, but this is something the characters and audience don't know about until this information is tortured out of him]].
** Daniel also used to do this before he came to America, with his own wife admitting how villainous he was, and what he used to do. It seems the only reason he became a barber in America was that he had steady hands for shaving.



** In the fourth season finale, Al has a shotgun with two shots and is face to face with Martha and a walker she has on a restraint. Due to being stung over Martha having stole her van and tapes earlier in the season, Al foolishly decides to entertain Martha’s rambling long enough for another walker to close in, forcing Al to use her two shots on the dead and leaving her apparently defenseless against a critically wounded woman.
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** [[spoiler:Madison's unceremonious death]] is by far the most controversial moment of the series as the fandom considered it a waste of the show's lead character, and unquestionably led to Morgan being regarded as a ReplacementScrappy once he took over the show. She was later brought back specifically because of the criticism of the decision to kill her off.
** [[spoiler:Another founding cast member, Alicia]], is kept out of most of their final season and when they do return, it's with an arc most people found to be idiotic and also a retread of tropes the showrunners have been overindulging in such as hallucinations. Most fans agree the character's final episode [[spoiler:in which Alicia is PutOnABus]] was a terrible send-off for a popular lead character.
** [[spoiler:Wes]] did not get much development as a character, so [[spoiler:his FaceHeelTurn]] seemed shallow and random to viewers, while the supposed reasons for it seemed hypocritical, as [[spoiler:Strand was also deceitful with his group's members, and with less good reason for it than Lucia's reason for deceiving Daniel.]]

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** [[spoiler:Madison's unceremonious death]] death fakeout]] is by far the most controversial moment of the series as the fandom considered it a waste of the show's lead character, and unquestionably led to Morgan being regarded as a ReplacementScrappy once he took over the show. She was later brought back specifically because of the criticism of the decision to kill her off.
** [[spoiler:Another Another founding cast member, Alicia]], Alicia, is kept out of most of their final season and when they do she does return, it's with an arc most people found to be idiotic and also a retread of tropes the showrunners have been overindulging in such as hallucinations. Most fans agree the character's final episode [[spoiler:in which Then Alicia is PutOnABus]] was gets PutOnABus until she comes back in the final episode, and while she does get a terrible send-off for a popular lead character.
happy ending by reuniting with her mother, many consider it to be not enough to fully salvage her character arc,
** [[spoiler:Wes]] did not get much development as a character, so [[spoiler:his FaceHeelTurn]] seemed shallow and random to viewers, while the supposed reasons for it seemed hypocritical, as [[spoiler:Strand was also deceitful with his group's members, and with less good reason for it than Lucia's reason for deceiving Daniel.]] His FaceHeelTurn also ends up pointless since Strand kills him later on.]]

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* ItWasHisSled: Madison returning for the final season after being revealed to have survived her apparent death in Season 4 is impossible for viewers to miss out on.



* NeverLiveItDown: Charlie is not hated, but viewers are still understandably not fully over her [[spoiler: murdering Nick in Season 4]], even if the characters have decided to forgive her for it.

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* NeverLiveItDown: Charlie is not hated, but some viewers are still understandably not fully over her [[spoiler: murdering Nick in Season 4]], even if the characters have decided to forgive her for it. This is actually invoked InUniverse in Season 8 when [[spoiler:Madison reunites with her and learns what she did.]]



** Tom from the fifth season quickly became this despite his short time, mainly due to him being too interested in the very base-breaking camera subplot with Althea, and [[spoiler:[[TooDumbToLive his death scene]], where instead of deciding to cross a clearly collapsing bridge, [[SkewedPriorities decides to stay and record the event]]]].

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** Tom from the fifth season quickly became this despite his short time, mainly due to him being too interested in the very base-breaking camera subplot with Althea, and [[spoiler:[[TooDumbToLive his death scene]], where instead of deciding to cross escape a clearly collapsing bridge, [[SkewedPriorities he decides to stay and record the event]]]].
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* ContinuityLockout: Since the show undergoes a significant retool to mostly revolve around Morgan and the newer characters introduced around Season 4, the back half of the show isn't too bad about this. However, the final season of the series when Madison returns as the lead does start calling back to the early seasons that will require a viewer to catch up on them.
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* CompleteMonster: "[[Recap/FearTheWalkingDeadS02E14Wrath Wrath]]" through "[[Recap/FearTheWalkingDeadS03E08ChildrenOfWrath Children of Wrath]]": [[AngryWhiteMan Jeremiah Otto Sr.]] is the [[PoliticallyIncorrectVillain racist]] and [[AbusiveParents abusive]] patriarch of the Otto family, and created the Broke Jaw Ridge on the land of the stolen Natives. Jeremiah [[VigilanteExecution lynched several Natives]], including Qaletaqa Walker's father and uncle, before the outbreak, and after the apocalypse, allows a bloody war between his Broke Jaw Ridge and the Hopi Tribe. [[FauxAffablyEvil A seemingly reasonable family man]], it's revealed that Jeremiah is an prideful and stubborn man who is willing to let all his friends and family die just to prevent himself from apologizing to Walker and surrendering, and refuses to atone for his actions, caring more for himself than the safety of anyone else.

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* CompleteMonster: "[[Recap/FearTheWalkingDeadS02E14Wrath Wrath]]" through "[[Recap/FearTheWalkingDeadS03E08ChildrenOfWrath Children of Wrath]]": [[AngryWhiteMan Jeremiah Otto Sr.]] is the [[PoliticallyIncorrectVillain racist]] and [[AbusiveParents abusive]] patriarch of the Otto family, and created the Broke Jaw Ridge on the stolen land of the stolen Natives. Jeremiah [[VigilanteExecution lynched several Natives]], including Qaletaqa Walker's father and uncle, before the outbreak, and after the apocalypse, allows a bloody war between his Broke Jaw Ridge and the Hopi Tribe. [[FauxAffablyEvil A seemingly reasonable family man]], it's revealed that Jeremiah is an prideful a prideful, stubborn, and stubborn man who is willing to let all his friends and family die just to prevent himself from apologizing to Walker and surrendering, and surrendering. He refuses to atone for his actions, caring more for himself than the safety of anyone else.
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* FandomRivalry: Fans of ''Series/{{The 100}}'' didn't take kindly to Creator/AlyciaDebnamCarey's role on this show forcing it to kill off her character there, but only due to being oblivious that Creator/AlyciaDebnamCarey had signed a contract with ''Fear the Walking Dead'' first. Especially since her role as Lexa is more popular than her role as Alicia and the death being controversial because of the character [[BuryYourGays being a lesbian]] and her death scene having {{unfortunate implications}}. Though this ended up turning into FriendlyFandoms of sorts.

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* FandomRivalry: Fans of ''Series/{{The 100}}'' didn't take kindly to Creator/AlyciaDebnamCarey's role on this show forcing it to kill off her character there, but only due to being oblivious that Creator/AlyciaDebnamCarey had signed a contract with ''Fear the Walking Dead'' first. Especially since her role as Lexa is more popular than her role as Alicia and the death being controversial because of the character [[BuryYourGays being a lesbian]] and her death scene having {{unfortunate implications}}.lesbian]]. Though this ended up turning into FriendlyFandoms of sorts.
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* MagnificentBastard: “[[Recap/FearTheWalkingDeadS06E01TheEndIsTheBeginning The End Is The Beginning]]”: [[DualWielding Emile [=LaRoux=]]] is a ruthless, charismatic and [[{{Determinator}} determined]] [[BountyHunter assassin by hire]] who never stops chasing his target, showing a charismatic yet ruthless personality with a tracking dog and a well trained axe. Showing an efficiency to tracking people, [[BigBrotherInstinct finding his brother]] in a forest fire even before the apocalypse, he searches to find [[Characters/TheWalkingDead2010MorganJones Morgan Jones]] under the orders by Virginia, chasing him down through Texas, using his wits and resourcefulness to try and get one over on him. When faced with Morgan and Isaac, [[NearVillainVictory he nearly succeeds in taking them both down]], and shows no fear in death, simply [[DefiantToTheEnd taunting Morgan as he died]].
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** Seasons 5, 6, and 7 also all end with Morgan separated from most of the main cast and them having to find each other again after a loss. It remains to be seen if Season 8 will once again use the anthology format after Seasons 6 and 7 already did it.

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** Seasons 5, 6, and 7 also all end with Morgan separated from most of the main cast and them having to find each other again after a loss. It remains to be seen if While Season 8 will once again at least doesn't use the anthology format after Seasons 6 and 7 already did it.it, it still depicts the group reuniting as an ongoing plot thread and only half the cast appears in the first half of the season.
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* CompleteMonster: "[[Recap/FearTheWalkingDeadS02E14Wrath Wrath]]" through "[[Recap/FearTheWalkingDeadS03E08ChildrenOfWrath Children of Wrath]]": [[AngryWhiteMan Jeremiah Otto Sr.]] is the [[PoliticallyIncorrectVillain racist]] and [[AbusiveParents abusive]] patriarch of the Otto family, and created the Broke Jaw Ridge on the land of the stolen Natives. Jeremiah [[VigilanteExecution lynched several Natives, including Qaletaqa Walker's father and uncle before the outbreak]], and after the apocalypse, allows a bloody war between his Broke Jaw Ridge and the Hopi Tribe. [[FauxAffablyEvil A seemingly reasonable family man]], it's revealed that Jeremiah is an prideful and stubborn man who is willing to let all his friends and family die just to prevent himself from apologizing to Walker and surrendering, and refuses to atone for his actions, caring more for himself than the safety of anyone else.

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* CompleteMonster: "[[Recap/FearTheWalkingDeadS02E14Wrath Wrath]]" through "[[Recap/FearTheWalkingDeadS03E08ChildrenOfWrath Children of Wrath]]": [[AngryWhiteMan Jeremiah Otto Sr.]] is the [[PoliticallyIncorrectVillain racist]] and [[AbusiveParents abusive]] patriarch of the Otto family, and created the Broke Jaw Ridge on the land of the stolen Natives. Jeremiah [[VigilanteExecution lynched several Natives, Natives]], including Qaletaqa Walker's father and uncle uncle, before the outbreak]], outbreak, and after the apocalypse, allows a bloody war between his Broke Jaw Ridge and the Hopi Tribe. [[FauxAffablyEvil A seemingly reasonable family man]], it's revealed that Jeremiah is an prideful and stubborn man who is willing to let all his friends and family die just to prevent himself from apologizing to Walker and surrendering, and refuses to atone for his actions, caring more for himself than the safety of anyone else.

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* CompleteMonster: [[AngryWhiteMan Jeremiah Otto Sr.]] is the racist and [[AbusiveParents abusive patriarch of the Otto family]], and created the Broke Jaw Ridge on the land of the stolen natives. [[VigilanteExecution He lynched several natives, including Qaletaqa Walker’s father and uncle before the outbreak]], and after the apocalypse, allows a bloody war between his Broke Jaw Ridge and The Hopi Tribe. [[FauxAffablyEvil A seemingly reasonable family man]], it’s revealed that Jeremiah is an prideful and stubborn man who is willing to let all his friends and family die just to prevent himself from apologizing to Walker and surrendering, and [[DirtyCoward refuses to atone for his actions, showing to cared more for himself than the safety of everyone.]]

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* CompleteMonster: "[[Recap/FearTheWalkingDeadS02E14Wrath Wrath]]" through "[[Recap/FearTheWalkingDeadS03E08ChildrenOfWrath Children of Wrath]]": [[AngryWhiteMan Jeremiah Otto Sr.]] is the racist [[PoliticallyIncorrectVillain racist]] and [[AbusiveParents abusive abusive]] patriarch of the Otto family]], family, and created the Broke Jaw Ridge on the land of the stolen natives. Natives. Jeremiah [[VigilanteExecution He lynched several natives, Natives, including Qaletaqa Walker’s Walker's father and uncle before the outbreak]], and after the apocalypse, allows a bloody war between his Broke Jaw Ridge and The the Hopi Tribe. [[FauxAffablyEvil A seemingly reasonable family man]], it’s it's revealed that Jeremiah is an prideful and stubborn man who is willing to let all his friends and family die just to prevent himself from apologizing to Walker and surrendering, and [[DirtyCoward refuses to atone for his actions, showing to cared caring more for himself than the safety of everyone.]]anyone else.
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* CompleteMonster: [[AngryWhiteMan Jeremiah Otto Sr.]] is the racist and [[AbusiveParents abusive patriarch of the Otto family]], and created the Broke Jaw Ridge on the land of the stolen natives. [[VigilanteExecution He lynched several natives, including Qaletaqa Walker’s father and uncle before the outbreak]], and after the apocalypse, allows a bloody war between his Broke Jaw Ridge and The Hopi Tribe. [[FauxAffablyEvil A seemingly reasonable family man]], it’s revealed that Jeremiah is an prideful and stubborn man who is willing to let all his friends and family die just to prevent himself from apologizing to Walker and surrendering, and [[DirtyCoward refuses to atone for his actions, showing to cared more for himself than the safety of everyone.]]
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** [[spoiler:Wes]] did not get much development as a character, so [[spoiler:FaceHeelTurn]] seemed shallow and random to viewers, while the supposed reasons for it seemed hypocritical, as [[spoiler:Strand was also deceitful with his group's members, and with less good reason for it than Lucia's reason for deceiving Daniel.]]

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** [[spoiler:Wes]] did not get much development as a character, so [[spoiler:FaceHeelTurn]] [[spoiler:his FaceHeelTurn]] seemed shallow and random to viewers, while the supposed reasons for it seemed hypocritical, as [[spoiler:Strand was also deceitful with his group's members, and with less good reason for it than Lucia's reason for deceiving Daniel.]]
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** [[spoiler:Wes]] did not get much development as a character, so [[spoiler:his switchover to the villainy]] seemed shallow and random to viewers, while the supposed reasons for it seemed hypocritical, as [[spoiler:Strand was also deceitful with his group's members, and with less good reason for it than Lucia's reason for deceiving Daniel.]]

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** [[spoiler:Wes]] did not get much development as a character, so [[spoiler:his switchover to the villainy]] [[spoiler:FaceHeelTurn]] seemed shallow and random to viewers, while the supposed reasons for it seemed hypocritical, as [[spoiler:Strand was also deceitful with his group's members, and with less good reason for it than Lucia's reason for deceiving Daniel.]]
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** [[spoiler:Wes]] did not get much development as a character, so [[spoiler:his switchover to the villainy]] seemed shallow and random to viewers, while the supposed reasons for it seemed hypocritical, as [[spoiler:Strand was also deceitful with his group's members, and with less good reason for it than Lucia.]]

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** [[spoiler:Wes]] did not get much development as a character, so [[spoiler:his switchover to the villainy]] seemed shallow and random to viewers, while the supposed reasons for it seemed hypocritical, as [[spoiler:Strand was also deceitful with his group's members, and with less good reason for it than Lucia.Lucia's reason for deceiving Daniel.]]
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* AudienceAlienatingEra:
** In Season 4, the {{ReTool}} and change in showrunners brought about a number of poorly received changes to the show:
*** The original cast is sidelined, with [[spoiler: Nick]] being killed off and [[spoiler:Madison]] being PutOnABus, and the rest being reduced to supporting characters or spending long stretches OutOfFocus, with the worst offender being Alicia.
*** A new cast is introduced, all of whom except John Dorie and Grace Mukherjee are [[BaseBreakingCharacter Base Breakers]] ''at best'', and a few of whom are outright [[TheScrappy Scrappies]]. Morgan, a {{Transplant}} from the parent series, becomes the new lead and ends up being even ''more'' divisive than he was on that show (see below). The cast continues to grow to an almost unmanageable size by the next season.
*** The entire tone of the show becomes LighterAndSofter. Morally complex antiheroes like Strand, Daniel, Madison, and to a lesser extent Morgan become unambiguously good people trying to do their best and make the world a better place. This contrasts heavily with the first few seasons and the original vision for the series, in which the "heroes" would get darker and darker over time and become [[VillainProtagonist Villain Protagonists]].
*** Characters are heavily rewritten to accommodate this change in tone, with some, like Daniel Salazar, feeling like completely different people from one season to the next.
*** A number of uninteresting villains are introduced and quickly disposed of, with the worst, Season 4's BigBad Martha, being widely considered to be the weakest villain in the entire franchise.
*** The plotting and dialogue become much more cliched and amateur, with the previously complex storytelling being replaced by characters making endless stupid decisions, monologuing about morality and how to be a good person, and just generally serving an often directionless plot.
** Season 7 has been regarded as the worst season of the show since the retool, due to the show picking and choosing when to apply logic (some characters magically avoid radiation poisoning while others get burned), a heavy reliance on monologues once again, a season-long build up to a war that never happens, and a failure to manage every character in the cast adequately with many dying unceremonious deaths or outright vanishing with no explanation.



* SeasonalRot Season 4 was where fan reception turned mostly negative as it pretty much revamped ''Fear'''s original premise, to the point where many refuse to even acknowledge its existence, while Season 9 of the original show [[GrowingTheBeard grew the beard]]. Most fans hated the introduction of Morgan who took over the show, and Season 5 sunk even lower with a cheesy humanitarian story, progressively dumber characters and stories, and a DownerEnding that made the last two seasons AllForNothing

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** In
Season 4 was where fan reception turned mostly negative as it pretty much revamped ''Fear'''s 4, the {{ReTool}} and change in showrunners brought about a number of poorly received changes to the show:
*** The
original premise, to cast is sidelined, with [[spoiler: Nick]] being killed off and [[spoiler:Madison]] being PutOnABus, and the point where many refuse rest being reduced to supporting characters or spending long stretches OutOfFocus, with the worst offender being Alicia.
*** A new cast is introduced, all of whom except John Dorie and Grace Mukherjee are [[BaseBreakingCharacter Base Breakers]] ''at best'', and a few of whom are outright [[TheScrappy Scrappies]]. Morgan, a {{Transplant}} from the parent series, becomes the new lead and ends up being
even acknowledge its existence, while Season 9 ''more'' divisive than he was on that show (see below). The cast continues to grow to an almost unmanageable size by the next season.
*** The entire tone
of the show becomes LighterAndSofter. Morally complex antiheroes like Strand, Daniel, Madison, and to a lesser extent Morgan become unambiguously good people trying to do their best and make the world a better place. This contrasts heavily with the first few seasons and the original show [[GrowingTheBeard grew vision for the beard]]. Most fans hated series, in which the introduction of Morgan who took "heroes" would get darker and darker over time and become [[VillainProtagonist Villain Protagonists]].
*** Characters are heavily rewritten to accommodate this change in tone, with some, like Daniel Salazar, feeling like completely different people from one season to
the show, next.
*** A number of uninteresting villains are introduced
and quickly disposed of, with the worst, Season 5 sunk even lower 4's BigBad Martha, being widely considered to be the weakest villain in the entire franchise.
*** The plotting and dialogue become much more cliched and amateur,
with a cheesy humanitarian story, progressively dumber the previously complex storytelling being replaced by characters making endless stupid decisions, monologuing about morality and stories, how to be a good person, and just generally serving an often directionless plot.
** Season 7 has been regarded as the worst season of the show since the retool, due to the show picking and choosing when to apply logic (some characters magically avoid radiation poisoning while others get burned), a heavy reliance on monologues once again, a season-long build up to a war that never happens,
and a DownerEnding that made failure to manage every character in the last two seasons AllForNothing cast adequately with many dying unceremonious deaths or outright vanishing with no explanation.

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* FanonDiscontinuity:
** It's not exactly uncommon to find people who refuse to acknowledge anything after Season 3 as canon; strong points of contention include its poor writing and cyclical storylines, drastic tone shift, killing of [[spoiler:Madison and Nick]], and turning Morgan into the main protagonist of the series.
** To a lesser extent, Season 6. While the show is still not without its haters, there are now fans willing to accept the previous two seasons as canon while also acknowledging them as having been the show's AudienceAlienatingEra and advising new viewers to simply skip over most of the episodes to get to the current season.


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** To a lesser extent, Season 6. While the show is still not without its haters, there are now fans willing to accept the previous two seasons as canon while also acknowledging them as having been the show's AudienceAlienatingEra and advising new viewers to simply skip over most of the episodes to get to the current season.

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* FanonDiscontinuity: It's not exactly uncommon to find people who refuse to acknowledge anything after Season 3 as canon; strong points of contention include its poor writing and cyclical storylines, drastic tone shift, killing of [[spoiler:Madison and Nick]], and turning Morgan into the main protagonist of the series.

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* HesJustHiding: WordOfGod reminds us that whoever hasn't explicitly died onscreen should be assumed to be alive. [[spoiler:Madison]] has become this ever since her somewhat ambiguous death in Season 4, not helped by the vague responses from the showrunners and even [[spoiler:Kim Dickens]] herself as to whether or not a return is in the cards. [[spoiler:''Talking Dead'' at the end of 2021 finally confirmed that Madison is indeed alive and is returning in Seasons 7 and 8.]]

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* HesJustHiding: WordOfGod reminds us that whoever hasn't explicitly died onscreen should be assumed to be alive. [[spoiler:Madison]] has become this ever since her somewhat ambiguous death in Season 4, not helped by the vague responses from the showrunners and even [[spoiler:Kim Dickens]] herself as to whether or not a return is in the cards. [[spoiler:''Talking [[spoiler:At the end of 2021, ''Talking Dead'' at the end of 2021 finally confirmed that Madison is indeed alive and is returning in Seasons she returned for the Season 7 finale and as a series regular in Season 8.]]
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*** The original cast is sidelined, with [[spoiler: Nick and (apparently) Madison]] being killed off, and the rest being reduced to supporting characters or spending long stretches OutOfFocus, with the worst offender being Alicia.

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*** The original cast is sidelined, with [[spoiler: Nick and (apparently) Madison]] Nick]] being killed off, off and [[spoiler:Madison]] being PutOnABus, and the rest being reduced to supporting characters or spending long stretches OutOfFocus, with the worst offender being Alicia.

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* AudienceAlienatingEra: In Season 4, the {{ReTool}} and change in showrunners brought about a number of poorly received changes to the show:
** The original cast is sidelined, with [[spoiler: Nick and (apparently) Madison]] being killed off, and the rest being reduced to supporting characters or spending long stretches OutOfFocus, with the worst offender being Alicia.
** A new cast is introduced, all of whom except John Dorie and Grace Mukherjee are [[BaseBreakingCharacter Base Breakers]] ''at best'', and a few of whom are outright [[TheScrappy Scrappies]]. Morgan, a {{Transplant}} from the parent series, becomes the new lead and ends up being even ''more'' divisive than he was on that show (see below). The cast continues to grow to an almost unmanageable size by the next season.
** The entire tone of the show becomes LighterAndSofter. Morally complex antiheroes like Strand, Daniel, Madison, and to a lesser extent Morgan become unambiguously good people trying to do their best and make the world a better place. This contrasts heavily with the first few seasons and the original vision for the series, in which the "heroes" would get darker and darker over time and become [[VillainProtagonist Villain Protagonists]].
** Characters are heavily rewritten to accommodate this change in tone, with some, like Daniel Salazar, feeling like completely different people from one season to the next.
** A number of uninteresting villains are introduced and quickly disposed of, with the worst, Season 4's BigBad Martha, being widely considered to be the weakest villain in the entire franchise.
** The plotting and dialogue become much more cliched and amateur, with the previously complex storytelling being replaced by characters making endless stupid decisions, monologuing about morality and how to be a good person, and just generally serving an often directionless plot.

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* AudienceAlienatingEra: AudienceAlienatingEra:
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In Season 4, the {{ReTool}} and change in showrunners brought about a number of poorly received changes to the show:
** *** The original cast is sidelined, with [[spoiler: Nick and (apparently) Madison]] being killed off, and the rest being reduced to supporting characters or spending long stretches OutOfFocus, with the worst offender being Alicia.
** *** A new cast is introduced, all of whom except John Dorie and Grace Mukherjee are [[BaseBreakingCharacter Base Breakers]] ''at best'', and a few of whom are outright [[TheScrappy Scrappies]]. Morgan, a {{Transplant}} from the parent series, becomes the new lead and ends up being even ''more'' divisive than he was on that show (see below). The cast continues to grow to an almost unmanageable size by the next season.
** *** The entire tone of the show becomes LighterAndSofter. Morally complex antiheroes like Strand, Daniel, Madison, and to a lesser extent Morgan become unambiguously good people trying to do their best and make the world a better place. This contrasts heavily with the first few seasons and the original vision for the series, in which the "heroes" would get darker and darker over time and become [[VillainProtagonist Villain Protagonists]].
** *** Characters are heavily rewritten to accommodate this change in tone, with some, like Daniel Salazar, feeling like completely different people from one season to the next.
** *** A number of uninteresting villains are introduced and quickly disposed of, with the worst, Season 4's BigBad Martha, being widely considered to be the weakest villain in the entire franchise.
** *** The plotting and dialogue become much more cliched and amateur, with the previously complex storytelling being replaced by characters making endless stupid decisions, monologuing about morality and how to be a good person, and just generally serving an often directionless plot.
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** A new cast is introduced, all of whom except John Dorie and Grace Mukherjee are [[BaseBreakingCharacter Base Breakers]] ''at best'', and a few of whom are outright [[TheScrappy Scrappies]]. Morgan, a {{Transplant}} from the parent series, becomes the new lead and ends up being even ''more'' divisive than he was on that show (see above). The cast continues to grow to an almost unmanageable size by the next season.

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** A new cast is introduced, all of whom except John Dorie and Grace Mukherjee are [[BaseBreakingCharacter Base Breakers]] ''at best'', and a few of whom are outright [[TheScrappy Scrappies]]. Morgan, a {{Transplant}} from the parent series, becomes the new lead and ends up being even ''more'' divisive than he was on that show (see above).below). The cast continues to grow to an almost unmanageable size by the next season.
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** The original cast is sidelined, with [[spoiler: Nick and Madison]] being killed off, and the rest being reduced to supporting characters or spending long stretches OutOfFocus, with the worst offender being Alicia.

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** The original cast is sidelined, with [[spoiler: Nick and (apparently) Madison]] being killed off, and the rest being reduced to supporting characters or spending long stretches OutOfFocus, with the worst offender being Alicia.

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