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This page is for the spinoff game, ''VisualNovel/DaiGyakutenSaibanNaruhodouRyuunosukeNoBouken''.
For other such moments in the series, see the appropriate subpages:
* ''[[YMMV/AceAttorney Ace Attorney (series)]]''
* ''[[YMMV/AceAttorneyAnime Ace Attorney (anime)]]''
* ''YMMV/{{Phoenix Wright|AceAttorney}}''
* ''YMMV/{{Apollo Justice|AceAttorney}}''
* ''[[YMMV/AceAttorneyInvestigationsMilesEdgeworth Ace Attorney Investigations]]''
* ''[[YMMV/PhoenixWrightAceAttorneyDualDestinies Dual Destinies]]''
* ''[[YMMV/PhoenixWrightAceAttorneySpiritOfJustice Spirit of Justice]]''
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Are Holmes' deductions genuinely InsaneTrollLogic or is he faking it to act as a StealthMentor to Ryunosuke?
* ArcFatigue: Almost the entire first half of the investigation phase of "The Adventure of the Unspeakable Story" is made up purely of dialogue and exposition, which can become a slog to sit through at times. Prior to [[spoiler:Hatch's murder]], which is what really kicks off the episode's storyline, the only thing that breaks up the long sequences of dialogue is a short investigation in Hatch's shop, then a deductions segment where you try to figure out the motives of Egg Benedict/[[spoiler:Rupert Chrogray]].
* BaseBreakingCharacter:
** Sherlock Holmes himself. Takumi took certain liberties with his character and divided the fanbase into two camps: Those who think he's an {{Adorkable}} goofball and those who think he's a moronic man-child who can never get anything correct. Most players end up warming up to him with time, likely thanks in part to how fun the ''Joint Reasoning'' mechanic is [[spoiler: and inviting Ryuunosuke and Susato to live with them in 221B at the end of Case 4]], but the first impressions still tend to be strong either way. With the plethora of adaptations for the series, he may have been (fairly or not) compared to other adaptations of the character more than how he was in the source material, and some fans argue that it's actually easy to pick up the Doyle canon and read it imagining Takumi's Sherlock Holmes. It has been expressed in [[http://www.forums.court-records.net/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=31327 an interview]] how Takumi himself sees him.
--->'''Takumi''' ''(on his favorite Sherlock Holmes stories)'': I'm often asked that, but I find it hard to answer. But I think the easiest answer is the first 12 stories that make up the first short story collection. People think of Holmes as the great detective, but even he makes mistakes at times and feels bad because of them, and there's the friendship with Watson. He's a very human character. You'll understand that as you read more of his stories, so I recommend reading a lot of them.
** The culprit of the final case of the first game divides the fanbase a bit, mainly due to how [[ObviouslyEvil obvious]] they are by final case villain standards. (Their introduction involves [[spoiler: using an alias that is hilariously, blatantly fake [[LostInTranslation to a native English speaker]], and questioning them ends with them ''pulling a gun on you'']]) But they still have fans since being the killer is hardly the biggest reveal about them, and their backstory is quite deep. There's also the fact that [[spoiler: Megundal is ultimately the true BigBad of the game despite dying in Case 3]], something that is much more well-hidden.
* BestLevelEver: Case 3 of the first game, no thanks to its highly memorable and depressive twist [[spoiler:where your defendant turns out to be the BigBad and actually manages to manipulate the player into winning the case for him.]]
* BigLippedAlligatorMoment: In case 4 [[https://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/aceattorney/images/d/d6/Mysterybros.png/revision/latest?cb=20160917093140 these two]] show up for a scene, and are never mentioned again. [[spoiler: Until Case 2 of the second game, where they play an integral part of the story.]]
* BrokenBase:
** The fact that unlike most other games in the series (which may have had one or two [[SequelHook Sequel Hooks]] but nothing too major), this game was very clearly written with a sequel (or several) in mind, containing a huge number of [[LeftHanging unresolved plot points]]. Some feel it adds some intriguing mysteries to be explored in sequels, others feel it weakens the stand-alone narrative of this game. Not to mention this can make things very confusing when it comes to deducing solutions, as the series is normally very strict about the LawOfConservationOfDetail. The developers are probably aware of this, as the sequel's TagLine is "This time, all mysteries will come to light".
** Upon the release of the second game, a common complaint is that it feels far more like a MissionPackSequel (or even OneGameForThePriceOfTwo) than any previous game, being the first game since ''Trials and Tribulations'' to not introduce any new gameplay elements along with reusing much of the first game's music (the Courtroom Lobby, Trial, Cross-Examination, Pursuit and Tell the Truth themes, among others, are all reused from [=DGS1=]). The reused music is a major point of contention, with some finding it adds to the interconnected feel of the games and others finding it lazy.
** TheReveal in the sequel that [[spoiler: Yuujin Mikotoba is the real "Watson" from Holmes' stories]] divided the fanbase. Some love the twist and feel it gives an otherwise bland character a lot more depth and relevance, as well as adding more depth to Holmes, while [[spoiler: fans attached to the original Holmes stories find it off-putting or outright insulting that a character created for this game replaced a beloved canon one]].
* CaptainObviousReveal:
** Almost no-one was surprised at the BigBad of the second game being [[spoiler: Hart Vortex]], due to the character being ObviouslyEvil by Ace Attorney standards, [[spoiler: being a LargeHam in a major position of power within the legal system, having an intimidating name and being met briefly a few times in the first game without ever having a major role.]] Somewhat balanced out by the writers throwing in an accomplice no-one saw coming: [[spoiler: ''the Japanese judge'']].
** Subverted with [[spoiler: Iris Watson]]'s parentage. The first game plays [[spoiler: her being John Watson's daughter]] as a twist, despite that being the most obvious answer. [[spoiler: Then the sequel reveals this isn't true at all. She's really the child of Barok Van Zeiks' brother.]]
** Fans predicted that Barok would [[spoiler: be a defendant]] and that Asogi would [[spoiler: become a prosecutor]] due to them being a DecompositeCharacter for Miles Edgeworth, the main prosecutor of the main series.
* CrossesTheLineTwice: Takezuchi Auchi's "breakdown" upon losing in the sequel. The game seriously leads you to believe [[spoiler: he's going to commit Seppuku right there, and he even composes a death poem. He winces, picks up the knife.... [[StabTheSalad and cuts off a strand of his hair instead.]]]] Which instantly wraps around to being hilarious, especially as the game ''still'' plays it as a TearJerker, including playing the sad variant of Asogi Kazuma's theme.
* EnsembleDarkhorse:
** Asougi Kazuma, a Miles Edgeworth {{Expy}} [[spoiler: turned out to be a case of AdvertisedExtra]], but is extremely popular with fans due to his samurai theme, [[SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic incredibly awesome theme tune]] and friendship with Ryuunosuke. The writers confessed in interviews that he ended up much more popular than they expected. [[spoiler: He's a case of NotSoSmallRole in the sequel, though whether it's a case of SavedByTheFans or not is unknown.]]
** Haori Murasame from the second game instantly became one of the series' more popular defendants when she [[spoiler: [[TalkToTheFist physically stopped the culprit mid-breakdown]] by judo-throwing him with Susato's help.]]
** Enoch Drebber only appears in one case, but he's one of the second game's most popular characters due to his cool {{Steampunk}} design, CreepyAwesome robot-like movements, amazing theme music, the satisfying build up to actually finding him and [[spoiler: being a great villain]].
* EvenBetterSequel: The second game of the duology is considered a vast improvement on the first. The reason why is that unlike the previous ''Ace Attorney'' games which are mostly self-contained stories, the ''Dai Gyakuten Saiban'' games are very closely related to one another. The first game ''very'' heavily sets up elements that come to fruition in the second game, meaning many of the best plot twists and strongest writing moments don't happen until the midway point of the duology. As a result it's often recommended to simply play them back-to-back as one extremely long ''Ace Attorney'' game.
* {{Fanon}}: It's pretty widely-accepted by fans of the game that Hart Vortex is Damon Gant's ancestor, due to their similar designs, mannerisms, and [[spoiler: methods for using and abusing others as a high-ranking government official]]. This is despite there being... not much to prove ''or'' disprove this theory.
* HilariousInHindsight:
** In the English Localization of one of the games, Nick refers to himself as "Sherlock Holmes II." Here, his ancestor actually works alongside Holmes himself.
** A throwaway joke for presenting random evidence in ''Dual Destinies'' involved one character exclaiming "The true culprit is [[spoiler: the judge]]!" You could also accuse [[spoiler: the judge]] at one point in ''Justice for All'' for a massive penalty. Come ''Dai Gyakuten Saiban 2'' and... [[spoiler: not one, but ''two'' judges are villains, and one of them is the BigBad]].
* {{Narm}}:
** Van Zieks' method of intimidating the defense is to slam his leg onto the bench. It's rather silly-looking, to say the least, and spawned memes the moment it was seen in one of the promotional trailers.
** Some of the names for London characters can come across this way to native English speakers, like Hart Vortex, Adam Ladyfirst and Egg Benedict. [[spoiler: The last is an alias, but in some ways that makes it even more silly.]]
** Barok's bottle-throwing animation can be hilarious sometimes. ''Adventure of the Clouded Kokoro'' makes a point of this right after Susato calls him out on insulting a story ''and'' suggesting that the witness be questioned instead- [[RefugeInAudacity the latter was unprecedented at the time, of course.]]
* RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: Yuujin Mikotoba was considered a very forgettable character in the original game, with the fandom barely acknowledging him. But then the sequel reveals [[spoiler: he was the real "Watson" all along, gives him much more focus in the game's final cases, and even makes him [[AndNowForSomeoneCompletelyDifferent temporarily playable in a joint investigation with Holmes]]]], making him a ''lot'' more interesting as a character.
* SequelDifficultySpike: The first game is much nearer in difficulty to the original ''Ace Attorney'' trilogy than the previously-released entry in the series, ''VisualNovel/PhoenixWrightAceAttorneyDualDestinies'', as it lacks that game's "consult" feature, doesn't have a memo system telling you what to do next during investigations (though Susato and Iris will at least give you a hint as to whether you're done investigating in your current area), and getting a "guilty" verdict will kick you back to either your most recent save or the start of the current trial chapter. On top of that, the game throws in a sneaky additional bit of difficulty in that you're expected to take the time to do a three-dimensional examination of every bit of evidence, and will somehow get penalised you if you don't. It's not the hardest ''Ace Attorney'' game by any means, as the five-strike health system means it lacks the enormous penalties that ''Justice For All'' and, to a lesser extent, ''Trials & Tribulations'' were fond of throwing at you, but it's up there.
* ShipToShipCombat: Between the three major ships: Sherlock x Ryuunosuke, Asogi x Ryuunosuke, and Barok x Ryuunosuke.
* ShockingMoments: The final villain's breakdown in the second game is downright ''jaw-dropping'' and widely agreed to be one of the best in the series.
* ShockingSwerve: While most of the twists in the sequel fit into the plot well and have decent amounts of foreshadowing, [[spoiler:Iris' parentage]] caught many people off guard as possibly being a bit underdeveloped, possibly setting up a plot line in a potential third game.
* SurprisinglyImprovedSequel:
** Single case example. The Adventure of the Clouded Kokoro wasn't a particularly well-liked case for a number of reasons, such as [[spoiler: The Garridebs]] being UnintentionallyUnsympathetic and [[spoiler: the whole plot being one big ContrivedCoincidence]]. Its SequelEpisode in the second game, The Memoir of the Clouded Kokoro, has received very positive reception, due to hiding one of its bigger twists from the marketing (namely [[spoiler: the victim actually survived his poisoning]]) and for [[spoiler: having essentially ''two'' villains, both of whom were well-received]]. Some have called it the best second case in the series.
** The second game in general is much more beloved than the first game, which was mostly considered SoOkayItsAverage apart from [[WhamEpisode Case 3]]. Many consider the second game's finale to be among the best in the series.
* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter:
** Many fans wish "[[SweetPollyOliver Ryutaro Naruhodo]]" from the sequel were playable in more than one case, as she has new "Objection" and "Prelude" themes in contrast to the reused music in the rest of the trials, has a fun design and manages to be both hilarious and [[TookALevelInBadass awesome.]]
** Courtney Sithe in the second game. Pre-release materials build her up as a major figure in the plot, "The head coroner of Scotland Yard, who works at the forefront of the legal system's march towards forensic science." This could have led to some interesting themes to explore. Instead [[spoiler: she's the killer of the first case she appears in, and is promptly arrested and is only mentioned in passing afterwards.]] Some suspect her role was greatly reduced when the planned trilogy became a duology, with one theory being [[spoiler: she would've been the second game's BigBad.]]
** Many of the jurors have fun designs and quirky personalities, meaning they could easily stand as proper characters of their own, however, most of them don't even get names (besides the ones who appeared in previous cases as witnesses like John Garrideb and Oscar Fairplay) and their participation is often restricted to the closing arguments and final verdict. The worst example by far is Dmitri Demiglaski, a Russian revolutionary who is built up as an important figure all the way back in Case 2, but eventually, he does nothing more than being Juror 6 in Case 5. The only ones who seem to avert this are Mrs. Altamont and Anna Mittlemont from the second game.
* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: Related to ShockingSwerve above, [[spoiler: Iris turns out to be Barok van Zeiks' niece]], yet only learns of this fact after the final trial is over. There could have been some neat emotional drama if [[spoiler: either found out the truth while Barok was in the defendant's chair]]. As a result, a possible character interaction is never explored the way it could have been.
* UnexpectedCharacter: Who would have guessed that Sherlock Holmes would appear in an ''Ace Attorney'' spin-off?
* TheWoobie: Surprisingly, this game's "Payne": Takezuchi Auchi. He lacks a lot of the less sympathetic qualities of his modern-day counterparts while keeping the ButtMonkey and IneffectualSympatheticVillain aspects, and is also an ExtremeDoormat to practically everyone in the courtroom. In the second game, he's primarily motivated by avenging his past failure, and when he loses ''again'' [[spoiler: he cuts off his newly-grown strand of hair (which he'd earlier seen as a symbol of hope for a comeback) in shame, [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything in a manner resembling Seppuku]]]]. It's hard not to feel sorry for him in the end.
** Viridian Green. [[spoiler: Her fiance, Duncan Ross was killed by gas fumes in his home one night, which she blames herself for even now. His death sent her into a deep, inescapable impression, as her lifeless sprites suggest. Then she realised it might have been a murder, rather than an accident. In order to be sure, she conceived a plot that would reveal to her, once and for all, if the death of Duncan was just an accident. She was then stabbed in the back in a freak accident. Had Holmes not intervened, she would have killed herself with the poison she bought on the black market.]]
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For other such moments in the series, see the appropriate subpages:
* ''[[YMMV/AceAttorney Ace Attorney (series)]]''
* ''[[YMMV/AceAttorneyAnime Ace Attorney (anime)]]''
* ''YMMV/{{Phoenix Wright|AceAttorney}}''
* ''YMMV/{{Apollo Justice|AceAttorney}}''
* ''[[YMMV/AceAttorneyInvestigationsMilesEdgeworth Ace Attorney Investigations]]''
* ''[[YMMV/PhoenixWrightAceAttorneyDualDestinies Dual Destinies]]''
* ''[[YMMV/PhoenixWrightAceAttorneySpiritOfJustice Spirit of Justice]]''
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Are Holmes' deductions genuinely InsaneTrollLogic or is he faking it to act as a StealthMentor to Ryunosuke?
* ArcFatigue: Almost the entire first half of the investigation phase of "The Adventure of the Unspeakable Story" is made up purely of dialogue and exposition, which can become a slog to sit through at times. Prior to [[spoiler:Hatch's murder]], which is what really kicks off the episode's storyline, the only thing that breaks up the long sequences of dialogue is a short investigation in Hatch's shop, then a deductions segment where you try to figure out the motives of Egg Benedict/[[spoiler:Rupert Chrogray]].
* BaseBreakingCharacter:
** Sherlock Holmes himself. Takumi took certain liberties with his character and divided the fanbase into two camps: Those who think he's an {{Adorkable}} goofball and those who think he's a moronic man-child who can never get anything correct. Most players end up warming up to him with time, likely thanks in part to how fun the ''Joint Reasoning'' mechanic is [[spoiler: and inviting Ryuunosuke and Susato to live with them in 221B at the end of Case 4]], but the first impressions still tend to be strong either way. With the plethora of adaptations for the series, he may have been (fairly or not) compared to other adaptations of the character more than how he was in the source material, and some fans argue that it's actually easy to pick up the Doyle canon and read it imagining Takumi's Sherlock Holmes. It has been expressed in [[http://www.forums.court-records.net/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=31327 an interview]] how Takumi himself sees him.
--->'''Takumi''' ''(on his favorite Sherlock Holmes stories)'': I'm often asked that, but I find it hard to answer. But I think the easiest answer is the first 12 stories that make up the first short story collection. People think of Holmes as the great detective, but even he makes mistakes at times and feels bad because of them, and there's the friendship with Watson. He's a very human character. You'll understand that as you read more of his stories, so I recommend reading a lot of them.
** The culprit of the final case of the first game divides the fanbase a bit, mainly due to how [[ObviouslyEvil obvious]] they are by final case villain standards. (Their introduction involves [[spoiler: using an alias that is hilariously, blatantly fake [[LostInTranslation to a native English speaker]], and questioning them ends with them ''pulling a gun on you'']]) But they still have fans since being the killer is hardly the biggest reveal about them, and their backstory is quite deep. There's also the fact that [[spoiler: Megundal is ultimately the true BigBad of the game despite dying in Case 3]], something that is much more well-hidden.
* BestLevelEver: Case 3 of the first game, no thanks to its highly memorable and depressive twist [[spoiler:where your defendant turns out to be the BigBad and actually manages to manipulate the player into winning the case for him.]]
* BigLippedAlligatorMoment: In case 4 [[https://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/aceattorney/images/d/d6/Mysterybros.png/revision/latest?cb=20160917093140 these two]] show up for a scene, and are never mentioned again. [[spoiler: Until Case 2 of the second game, where they play an integral part of the story.]]
* BrokenBase:
** The fact that unlike most other games in the series (which may have had one or two [[SequelHook Sequel Hooks]] but nothing too major), this game was very clearly written with a sequel (or several) in mind, containing a huge number of [[LeftHanging unresolved plot points]]. Some feel it adds some intriguing mysteries to be explored in sequels, others feel it weakens the stand-alone narrative of this game. Not to mention this can make things very confusing when it comes to deducing solutions, as the series is normally very strict about the LawOfConservationOfDetail. The developers are probably aware of this, as the sequel's TagLine is "This time, all mysteries will come to light".
** Upon the release of the second game, a common complaint is that it feels far more like a MissionPackSequel (or even OneGameForThePriceOfTwo) than any previous game, being the first game since ''Trials and Tribulations'' to not introduce any new gameplay elements along with reusing much of the first game's music (the Courtroom Lobby, Trial, Cross-Examination, Pursuit and Tell the Truth themes, among others, are all reused from [=DGS1=]). The reused music is a major point of contention, with some finding it adds to the interconnected feel of the games and others finding it lazy.
** TheReveal in the sequel that [[spoiler: Yuujin Mikotoba is the real "Watson" from Holmes' stories]] divided the fanbase. Some love the twist and feel it gives an otherwise bland character a lot more depth and relevance, as well as adding more depth to Holmes, while [[spoiler: fans attached to the original Holmes stories find it off-putting or outright insulting that a character created for this game replaced a beloved canon one]].
* CaptainObviousReveal:
** Almost no-one was surprised at the BigBad of the second game being [[spoiler: Hart Vortex]], due to the character being ObviouslyEvil by Ace Attorney standards, [[spoiler: being a LargeHam in a major position of power within the legal system, having an intimidating name and being met briefly a few times in the first game without ever having a major role.]] Somewhat balanced out by the writers throwing in an accomplice no-one saw coming: [[spoiler: ''the Japanese judge'']].
** Subverted with [[spoiler: Iris Watson]]'s parentage. The first game plays [[spoiler: her being John Watson's daughter]] as a twist, despite that being the most obvious answer. [[spoiler: Then the sequel reveals this isn't true at all. She's really the child of Barok Van Zeiks' brother.]]
** Fans predicted that Barok would [[spoiler: be a defendant]] and that Asogi would [[spoiler: become a prosecutor]] due to them being a DecompositeCharacter for Miles Edgeworth, the main prosecutor of the main series.
* CrossesTheLineTwice: Takezuchi Auchi's "breakdown" upon losing in the sequel. The game seriously leads you to believe [[spoiler: he's going to commit Seppuku right there, and he even composes a death poem. He winces, picks up the knife.... [[StabTheSalad and cuts off a strand of his hair instead.]]]] Which instantly wraps around to being hilarious, especially as the game ''still'' plays it as a TearJerker, including playing the sad variant of Asogi Kazuma's theme.
* EnsembleDarkhorse:
** Asougi Kazuma, a Miles Edgeworth {{Expy}} [[spoiler: turned out to be a case of AdvertisedExtra]], but is extremely popular with fans due to his samurai theme, [[SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic incredibly awesome theme tune]] and friendship with Ryuunosuke. The writers confessed in interviews that he ended up much more popular than they expected. [[spoiler: He's a case of NotSoSmallRole in the sequel, though whether it's a case of SavedByTheFans or not is unknown.]]
** Haori Murasame from the second game instantly became one of the series' more popular defendants when she [[spoiler: [[TalkToTheFist physically stopped the culprit mid-breakdown]] by judo-throwing him with Susato's help.]]
** Enoch Drebber only appears in one case, but he's one of the second game's most popular characters due to his cool {{Steampunk}} design, CreepyAwesome robot-like movements, amazing theme music, the satisfying build up to actually finding him and [[spoiler: being a great villain]].
* EvenBetterSequel: The second game of the duology is considered a vast improvement on the first. The reason why is that unlike the previous ''Ace Attorney'' games which are mostly self-contained stories, the ''Dai Gyakuten Saiban'' games are very closely related to one another. The first game ''very'' heavily sets up elements that come to fruition in the second game, meaning many of the best plot twists and strongest writing moments don't happen until the midway point of the duology. As a result it's often recommended to simply play them back-to-back as one extremely long ''Ace Attorney'' game.
* {{Fanon}}: It's pretty widely-accepted by fans of the game that Hart Vortex is Damon Gant's ancestor, due to their similar designs, mannerisms, and [[spoiler: methods for using and abusing others as a high-ranking government official]]. This is despite there being... not much to prove ''or'' disprove this theory.
* HilariousInHindsight:
** In the English Localization of one of the games, Nick refers to himself as "Sherlock Holmes II." Here, his ancestor actually works alongside Holmes himself.
** A throwaway joke for presenting random evidence in ''Dual Destinies'' involved one character exclaiming "The true culprit is [[spoiler: the judge]]!" You could also accuse [[spoiler: the judge]] at one point in ''Justice for All'' for a massive penalty. Come ''Dai Gyakuten Saiban 2'' and... [[spoiler: not one, but ''two'' judges are villains, and one of them is the BigBad]].
* {{Narm}}:
** Van Zieks' method of intimidating the defense is to slam his leg onto the bench. It's rather silly-looking, to say the least, and spawned memes the moment it was seen in one of the promotional trailers.
** Some of the names for London characters can come across this way to native English speakers, like Hart Vortex, Adam Ladyfirst and Egg Benedict. [[spoiler: The last is an alias, but in some ways that makes it even more silly.]]
** Barok's bottle-throwing animation can be hilarious sometimes. ''Adventure of the Clouded Kokoro'' makes a point of this right after Susato calls him out on insulting a story ''and'' suggesting that the witness be questioned instead- [[RefugeInAudacity the latter was unprecedented at the time, of course.]]
* RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: Yuujin Mikotoba was considered a very forgettable character in the original game, with the fandom barely acknowledging him. But then the sequel reveals [[spoiler: he was the real "Watson" all along, gives him much more focus in the game's final cases, and even makes him [[AndNowForSomeoneCompletelyDifferent temporarily playable in a joint investigation with Holmes]]]], making him a ''lot'' more interesting as a character.
* SequelDifficultySpike: The first game is much nearer in difficulty to the original ''Ace Attorney'' trilogy than the previously-released entry in the series, ''VisualNovel/PhoenixWrightAceAttorneyDualDestinies'', as it lacks that game's "consult" feature, doesn't have a memo system telling you what to do next during investigations (though Susato and Iris will at least give you a hint as to whether you're done investigating in your current area), and getting a "guilty" verdict will kick you back to either your most recent save or the start of the current trial chapter. On top of that, the game throws in a sneaky additional bit of difficulty in that you're expected to take the time to do a three-dimensional examination of every bit of evidence, and will somehow get penalised you if you don't. It's not the hardest ''Ace Attorney'' game by any means, as the five-strike health system means it lacks the enormous penalties that ''Justice For All'' and, to a lesser extent, ''Trials & Tribulations'' were fond of throwing at you, but it's up there.
* ShipToShipCombat: Between the three major ships: Sherlock x Ryuunosuke, Asogi x Ryuunosuke, and Barok x Ryuunosuke.
* ShockingMoments: The final villain's breakdown in the second game is downright ''jaw-dropping'' and widely agreed to be one of the best in the series.
* ShockingSwerve: While most of the twists in the sequel fit into the plot well and have decent amounts of foreshadowing, [[spoiler:Iris' parentage]] caught many people off guard as possibly being a bit underdeveloped, possibly setting up a plot line in a potential third game.
* SurprisinglyImprovedSequel:
** Single case example. The Adventure of the Clouded Kokoro wasn't a particularly well-liked case for a number of reasons, such as [[spoiler: The Garridebs]] being UnintentionallyUnsympathetic and [[spoiler: the whole plot being one big ContrivedCoincidence]]. Its SequelEpisode in the second game, The Memoir of the Clouded Kokoro, has received very positive reception, due to hiding one of its bigger twists from the marketing (namely [[spoiler: the victim actually survived his poisoning]]) and for [[spoiler: having essentially ''two'' villains, both of whom were well-received]]. Some have called it the best second case in the series.
** The second game in general is much more beloved than the first game, which was mostly considered SoOkayItsAverage apart from [[WhamEpisode Case 3]]. Many consider the second game's finale to be among the best in the series.
* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter:
** Many fans wish "[[SweetPollyOliver Ryutaro Naruhodo]]" from the sequel were playable in more than one case, as she has new "Objection" and "Prelude" themes in contrast to the reused music in the rest of the trials, has a fun design and manages to be both hilarious and [[TookALevelInBadass awesome.]]
** Courtney Sithe in the second game. Pre-release materials build her up as a major figure in the plot, "The head coroner of Scotland Yard, who works at the forefront of the legal system's march towards forensic science." This could have led to some interesting themes to explore. Instead [[spoiler: she's the killer of the first case she appears in, and is promptly arrested and is only mentioned in passing afterwards.]] Some suspect her role was greatly reduced when the planned trilogy became a duology, with one theory being [[spoiler: she would've been the second game's BigBad.]]
** Many of the jurors have fun designs and quirky personalities, meaning they could easily stand as proper characters of their own, however, most of them don't even get names (besides the ones who appeared in previous cases as witnesses like John Garrideb and Oscar Fairplay) and their participation is often restricted to the closing arguments and final verdict. The worst example by far is Dmitri Demiglaski, a Russian revolutionary who is built up as an important figure all the way back in Case 2, but eventually, he does nothing more than being Juror 6 in Case 5. The only ones who seem to avert this are Mrs. Altamont and Anna Mittlemont from the second game.
* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: Related to ShockingSwerve above, [[spoiler: Iris turns out to be Barok van Zeiks' niece]], yet only learns of this fact after the final trial is over. There could have been some neat emotional drama if [[spoiler: either found out the truth while Barok was in the defendant's chair]]. As a result, a possible character interaction is never explored the way it could have been.
* UnexpectedCharacter: Who would have guessed that Sherlock Holmes would appear in an ''Ace Attorney'' spin-off?
* TheWoobie: Surprisingly, this game's "Payne": Takezuchi Auchi. He lacks a lot of the less sympathetic qualities of his modern-day counterparts while keeping the ButtMonkey and IneffectualSympatheticVillain aspects, and is also an ExtremeDoormat to practically everyone in the courtroom. In the second game, he's primarily motivated by avenging his past failure, and when he loses ''again'' [[spoiler: he cuts off his newly-grown strand of hair (which he'd earlier seen as a symbol of hope for a comeback) in shame, [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything in a manner resembling Seppuku]]]]. It's hard not to feel sorry for him in the end.
** Viridian Green. [[spoiler: Her fiance, Duncan Ross was killed by gas fumes in his home one night, which she blames herself for even now. His death sent her into a deep, inescapable impression, as her lifeless sprites suggest. Then she realised it might have been a murder, rather than an accident. In order to be sure, she conceived a plot that would reveal to her, once and for all, if the death of Duncan was just an accident. She was then stabbed in the back in a freak accident. Had Holmes not intervened, she would have killed herself with the poison she bought on the black market.]]
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Are Holmes' deductions genuinely InsaneTrollLogic or is he faking it to act as a StealthMentor to Ryunosuke?
* ArcFatigue: Almost the entire first half of the investigation phase of "The Adventure of the Unspeakable Story" is made up purely of dialogue and exposition, which can become a slog to sit through at times. Prior to [[spoiler:Hatch's murder]], which is what really kicks off the episode's storyline, the only thing that breaks up the long sequences of dialogue is a short investigation in Hatch's shop, then a deductions segment where you try to figure out the motives of Egg Benedict/[[spoiler:Rupert Chrogray]].
* BaseBreakingCharacter:
** Sherlock Holmes himself. Takumi took certain liberties with his character and divided the fanbase into two camps: Those who think he's an {{Adorkable}} goofball and those who think he's a moronic man-child who can never get anything correct. Most players end up warming up to him with time, likely thanks in part to how fun the ''Joint Reasoning'' mechanic is [[spoiler: and inviting Ryuunosuke and Susato to live with them in 221B at the end of Case 4]], but the first impressions still tend to be strong either way. With the plethora of adaptations for the series, he may have been (fairly or not) compared to other adaptations of the character more than how he was in the source material, and some fans argue that it's actually easy to pick up the Doyle canon and read it imagining Takumi's Sherlock Holmes. It has been expressed in [[http://www.forums.court-records.net/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=31327 an interview]] how Takumi himself sees him.
--->'''Takumi''' ''(on his favorite Sherlock Holmes stories)'': I'm often asked that, but I find it hard to answer. But I think the easiest answer is the first 12 stories that make up the first short story collection. People think of Holmes as the great detective, but even he makes mistakes at times and feels bad because of them, and there's the friendship with Watson. He's a very human character. You'll understand that as you read more of his stories, so I recommend reading a lot of them.
** The culprit of the final case of the first game divides the fanbase a bit, mainly due to how [[ObviouslyEvil obvious]] they are by final case villain standards. (Their introduction involves [[spoiler: using an alias that is hilariously, blatantly fake [[LostInTranslation to a native English speaker]], and questioning them ends with them ''pulling a gun on you'']]) But they still have fans since being the killer is hardly the biggest reveal about them, and their backstory is quite deep. There's also the fact that [[spoiler: Megundal is ultimately the true BigBad of the game despite dying in Case 3]], something that is much more well-hidden.
* BestLevelEver: Case 3 of the first game, no thanks to its highly memorable and depressive twist [[spoiler:where your defendant turns out to be the BigBad and actually manages to manipulate the player into winning the case for him.]]
* BigLippedAlligatorMoment: In case 4 [[https://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/aceattorney/images/d/d6/Mysterybros.png/revision/latest?cb=20160917093140 these two]] show up for a scene, and are never mentioned again. [[spoiler: Until Case 2 of the second game, where they play an integral part of the story.]]
* BrokenBase:
** The fact that unlike most other games in the series (which may have had one or two [[SequelHook Sequel Hooks]] but nothing too major), this game was very clearly written with a sequel (or several) in mind, containing a huge number of [[LeftHanging unresolved plot points]]. Some feel it adds some intriguing mysteries to be explored in sequels, others feel it weakens the stand-alone narrative of this game. Not to mention this can make things very confusing when it comes to deducing solutions, as the series is normally very strict about the LawOfConservationOfDetail. The developers are probably aware of this, as the sequel's TagLine is "This time, all mysteries will come to light".
** Upon the release of the second game, a common complaint is that it feels far more like a MissionPackSequel (or even OneGameForThePriceOfTwo) than any previous game, being the first game since ''Trials and Tribulations'' to not introduce any new gameplay elements along with reusing much of the first game's music (the Courtroom Lobby, Trial, Cross-Examination, Pursuit and Tell the Truth themes, among others, are all reused from [=DGS1=]). The reused music is a major point of contention, with some finding it adds to the interconnected feel of the games and others finding it lazy.
** TheReveal in the sequel that [[spoiler: Yuujin Mikotoba is the real "Watson" from Holmes' stories]] divided the fanbase. Some love the twist and feel it gives an otherwise bland character a lot more depth and relevance, as well as adding more depth to Holmes, while [[spoiler: fans attached to the original Holmes stories find it off-putting or outright insulting that a character created for this game replaced a beloved canon one]].
* CaptainObviousReveal:
** Almost no-one was surprised at the BigBad of the second game being [[spoiler: Hart Vortex]], due to the character being ObviouslyEvil by Ace Attorney standards, [[spoiler: being a LargeHam in a major position of power within the legal system, having an intimidating name and being met briefly a few times in the first game without ever having a major role.]] Somewhat balanced out by the writers throwing in an accomplice no-one saw coming: [[spoiler: ''the Japanese judge'']].
** Subverted with [[spoiler: Iris Watson]]'s parentage. The first game plays [[spoiler: her being John Watson's daughter]] as a twist, despite that being the most obvious answer. [[spoiler: Then the sequel reveals this isn't true at all. She's really the child of Barok Van Zeiks' brother.]]
** Fans predicted that Barok would [[spoiler: be a defendant]] and that Asogi would [[spoiler: become a prosecutor]] due to them being a DecompositeCharacter for Miles Edgeworth, the main prosecutor of the main series.
* CrossesTheLineTwice: Takezuchi Auchi's "breakdown" upon losing in the sequel. The game seriously leads you to believe [[spoiler: he's going to commit Seppuku right there, and he even composes a death poem. He winces, picks up the knife.... [[StabTheSalad and cuts off a strand of his hair instead.]]]] Which instantly wraps around to being hilarious, especially as the game ''still'' plays it as a TearJerker, including playing the sad variant of Asogi Kazuma's theme.
* EnsembleDarkhorse:
** Asougi Kazuma, a Miles Edgeworth {{Expy}} [[spoiler: turned out to be a case of AdvertisedExtra]], but is extremely popular with fans due to his samurai theme, [[SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic incredibly awesome theme tune]] and friendship with Ryuunosuke. The writers confessed in interviews that he ended up much more popular than they expected. [[spoiler: He's a case of NotSoSmallRole in the sequel, though whether it's a case of SavedByTheFans or not is unknown.]]
** Haori Murasame from the second game instantly became one of the series' more popular defendants when she [[spoiler: [[TalkToTheFist physically stopped the culprit mid-breakdown]] by judo-throwing him with Susato's help.]]
** Enoch Drebber only appears in one case, but he's one of the second game's most popular characters due to his cool {{Steampunk}} design, CreepyAwesome robot-like movements, amazing theme music, the satisfying build up to actually finding him and [[spoiler: being a great villain]].
* EvenBetterSequel: The second game of the duology is considered a vast improvement on the first. The reason why is that unlike the previous ''Ace Attorney'' games which are mostly self-contained stories, the ''Dai Gyakuten Saiban'' games are very closely related to one another. The first game ''very'' heavily sets up elements that come to fruition in the second game, meaning many of the best plot twists and strongest writing moments don't happen until the midway point of the duology. As a result it's often recommended to simply play them back-to-back as one extremely long ''Ace Attorney'' game.
* {{Fanon}}: It's pretty widely-accepted by fans of the game that Hart Vortex is Damon Gant's ancestor, due to their similar designs, mannerisms, and [[spoiler: methods for using and abusing others as a high-ranking government official]]. This is despite there being... not much to prove ''or'' disprove this theory.
* HilariousInHindsight:
** In the English Localization of one of the games, Nick refers to himself as "Sherlock Holmes II." Here, his ancestor actually works alongside Holmes himself.
** A throwaway joke for presenting random evidence in ''Dual Destinies'' involved one character exclaiming "The true culprit is [[spoiler: the judge]]!" You could also accuse [[spoiler: the judge]] at one point in ''Justice for All'' for a massive penalty. Come ''Dai Gyakuten Saiban 2'' and... [[spoiler: not one, but ''two'' judges are villains, and one of them is the BigBad]].
* {{Narm}}:
** Van Zieks' method of intimidating the defense is to slam his leg onto the bench. It's rather silly-looking, to say the least, and spawned memes the moment it was seen in one of the promotional trailers.
** Some of the names for London characters can come across this way to native English speakers, like Hart Vortex, Adam Ladyfirst and Egg Benedict. [[spoiler: The last is an alias, but in some ways that makes it even more silly.]]
** Barok's bottle-throwing animation can be hilarious sometimes. ''Adventure of the Clouded Kokoro'' makes a point of this right after Susato calls him out on insulting a story ''and'' suggesting that the witness be questioned instead- [[RefugeInAudacity the latter was unprecedented at the time, of course.]]
* RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: Yuujin Mikotoba was considered a very forgettable character in the original game, with the fandom barely acknowledging him. But then the sequel reveals [[spoiler: he was the real "Watson" all along, gives him much more focus in the game's final cases, and even makes him [[AndNowForSomeoneCompletelyDifferent temporarily playable in a joint investigation with Holmes]]]], making him a ''lot'' more interesting as a character.
* SequelDifficultySpike: The first game is much nearer in difficulty to the original ''Ace Attorney'' trilogy than the previously-released entry in the series, ''VisualNovel/PhoenixWrightAceAttorneyDualDestinies'', as it lacks that game's "consult" feature, doesn't have a memo system telling you what to do next during investigations (though Susato and Iris will at least give you a hint as to whether you're done investigating in your current area), and getting a "guilty" verdict will kick you back to either your most recent save or the start of the current trial chapter. On top of that, the game throws in a sneaky additional bit of difficulty in that you're expected to take the time to do a three-dimensional examination of every bit of evidence, and will somehow get penalised you if you don't. It's not the hardest ''Ace Attorney'' game by any means, as the five-strike health system means it lacks the enormous penalties that ''Justice For All'' and, to a lesser extent, ''Trials & Tribulations'' were fond of throwing at you, but it's up there.
* ShipToShipCombat: Between the three major ships: Sherlock x Ryuunosuke, Asogi x Ryuunosuke, and Barok x Ryuunosuke.
* ShockingMoments: The final villain's breakdown in the second game is downright ''jaw-dropping'' and widely agreed to be one of the best in the series.
* ShockingSwerve: While most of the twists in the sequel fit into the plot well and have decent amounts of foreshadowing, [[spoiler:Iris' parentage]] caught many people off guard as possibly being a bit underdeveloped, possibly setting up a plot line in a potential third game.
* SurprisinglyImprovedSequel:
** Single case example. The Adventure of the Clouded Kokoro wasn't a particularly well-liked case for a number of reasons, such as [[spoiler: The Garridebs]] being UnintentionallyUnsympathetic and [[spoiler: the whole plot being one big ContrivedCoincidence]]. Its SequelEpisode in the second game, The Memoir of the Clouded Kokoro, has received very positive reception, due to hiding one of its bigger twists from the marketing (namely [[spoiler: the victim actually survived his poisoning]]) and for [[spoiler: having essentially ''two'' villains, both of whom were well-received]]. Some have called it the best second case in the series.
** The second game in general is much more beloved than the first game, which was mostly considered SoOkayItsAverage apart from [[WhamEpisode Case 3]]. Many consider the second game's finale to be among the best in the series.
* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter:
** Many fans wish "[[SweetPollyOliver Ryutaro Naruhodo]]" from the sequel were playable in more than one case, as she has new "Objection" and "Prelude" themes in contrast to the reused music in the rest of the trials, has a fun design and manages to be both hilarious and [[TookALevelInBadass awesome.]]
** Courtney Sithe in the second game. Pre-release materials build her up as a major figure in the plot, "The head coroner of Scotland Yard, who works at the forefront of the legal system's march towards forensic science." This could have led to some interesting themes to explore. Instead [[spoiler: she's the killer of the first case she appears in, and is promptly arrested and is only mentioned in passing afterwards.]] Some suspect her role was greatly reduced when the planned trilogy became a duology, with one theory being [[spoiler: she would've been the second game's BigBad.]]
** Many of the jurors have fun designs and quirky personalities, meaning they could easily stand as proper characters of their own, however, most of them don't even get names (besides the ones who appeared in previous cases as witnesses like John Garrideb and Oscar Fairplay) and their participation is often restricted to the closing arguments and final verdict. The worst example by far is Dmitri Demiglaski, a Russian revolutionary who is built up as an important figure all the way back in Case 2, but eventually, he does nothing more than being Juror 6 in Case 5. The only ones who seem to avert this are Mrs. Altamont and Anna Mittlemont from the second game.
* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: Related to ShockingSwerve above, [[spoiler: Iris turns out to be Barok van Zeiks' niece]], yet only learns of this fact after the final trial is over. There could have been some neat emotional drama if [[spoiler: either found out the truth while Barok was in the defendant's chair]]. As a result, a possible character interaction is never explored the way it could have been.
* UnexpectedCharacter: Who would have guessed that Sherlock Holmes would appear in an ''Ace Attorney'' spin-off?
* TheWoobie: Surprisingly, this game's "Payne": Takezuchi Auchi. He lacks a lot of the less sympathetic qualities of his modern-day counterparts while keeping the ButtMonkey and IneffectualSympatheticVillain aspects, and is also an ExtremeDoormat to practically everyone in the courtroom. In the second game, he's primarily motivated by avenging his past failure, and when he loses ''again'' [[spoiler: he cuts off his newly-grown strand of hair (which he'd earlier seen as a symbol of hope for a comeback) in shame, [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything in a manner resembling Seppuku]]]]. It's hard not to feel sorry for him in the end.
** Viridian Green. [[spoiler: Her fiance, Duncan Ross was killed by gas fumes in his home one night, which she blames herself for even now. His death sent her into a deep, inescapable impression, as her lifeless sprites suggest. Then she realised it might have been a murder, rather than an accident. In order to be sure, she conceived a plot that would reveal to her, once and for all, if the death of Duncan was just an accident. She was then stabbed in the back in a freak accident. Had Holmes not intervened, she would have killed herself with the poison she bought on the black market.]]
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* BestLevelEver: Case 3 of the first game, no thanks to its highly memorable and depressive twist [[spoiler:where your defendant turns out to be the BigBad and actually manages to manipulate the player into winning the case for him.]]
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** Asougi Kazuma, a Miles Edgeworth {{ExPy}} [[spoiler: turned out to be a case of AdvertisedExtra]], but is extremely popular with fans due to his samurai theme, [[SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic incredibly awesome theme tune]] and friendship with Ryuunosuke. The writers confessed in interviews that he ended up much more popular than they expected. [[spoiler: He's a case of NotSoSmallRole in the sequel, though whether it's a case of SavedByTheFans or not is unknown.]]
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** Asougi Kazuma Kazuma, a Miles Edgeworth {{ExPy}} [[spoiler: turned out to be a case of AdvertisedExtra]], but is extremely popular with fans due to his samurai theme, [[SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic incredibly awesome theme tune]] and friendship with Ryuunosuke. The writers confessed in interviews that he ended up much more popular than they expected. [[spoiler: He's a case of NotSoSmallRole in the sequel, though whether it's a case of SavedByTheFans or not is unknown.]]
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* SequelDifficultySpike: The first game is much nearer in difficulty to the original ''Ace Attorney'' trilogy than the previously-released entry in the series, ''VisualNovel/PhoenixWrightAceAttorneyDualDestinies'', as it lacks that game's "consult" feature, doesn't have a memo system telling you what to do next during investigations (though Susato and Iris will at least give you a hint as to whether you're done investigating in your current area), and getting a "guilty" verdict will kick you back to either your most recent save or the start of the current trial chapter. On top of that, the game throws in a sneaky additional bit of difficulty in that you're expected to take the time to do a three-dimensional examination of every bit of evidence, and will somehow get penalised you if you don't. It's not the hardest ''Ace Attorney'' game by any means, as the five-strike health system means it lacks the enormous penalties that ''Justice For All'' and, to a lesser extent, ''Trials & Tribulations'' were fond of throwing at you, but it's up there.
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** The culprit of the final case divides the fanbase a bit, mainly due to how [[ObviouslyEvil obvious]] they are by final case villain standards. (Their introduction involves [[spoiler: using an alias that is hilariously, blatantly fake [[LostInTranslation to a native English speaker]], and questioning them ends with them ''pulling a gun on you'']]) But they still have fans since being the killer is hardly the biggest reveal about them, and their backstory is quite deep. There's also the fact that [[spoiler: Megundal is ultimately the true BigBad of the game despite dying in Case 3]], something that is much more well-hidden.
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** The culprit of the final case of the first game divides the fanbase a bit, mainly due to how [[ObviouslyEvil obvious]] they are by final case villain standards. (Their introduction involves [[spoiler: using an alias that is hilariously, blatantly fake [[LostInTranslation to a native English speaker]], and questioning them ends with them ''pulling a gun on you'']]) But they still have fans since being the killer is hardly the biggest reveal about them, and their backstory is quite deep. There's also the fact that [[spoiler: Megundal is ultimately the true BigBad of the game despite dying in Case 3]], something that is much more well-hidden.
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* ArcFatigue: Almost the entire first half of the investigation phase of "The Adventure of the Unspeakable Story" is made up purely of dialogue and exposition, which can become a slog to sit through at times. Prior to [[spoiler:Hatch's murder]], which is what really kicks off the episode's storyline, the only thing that breaks up the long sequences of dialogue is a short investigation in Hatch's shop, then a deductions segment where you try to figure out the motives of Egg Benedict/[[spoiler:Rupert Chrogray]].
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** TheReveal in the sequel that [[spoiler: Yuujin Mikotoba is the real "Watson" from Holmes' stories]] divided the fanbase. Some love the twist and feel it gives an otherwise bland character a lot more depth and relevance, as well as adding more depth to Holmes, while [[spoiler: fans attached to the original Holmes stories find it off-putting or outright insulting that a character created for this game replaced a beloved canon one.]] There's also FridgeLogic involving [[spoiler: Iris Watson]], with the revelation implying [[spoiler: Holmes was perfectly okay with letting Iris think a total stranger was her father]], making him seem like a bit of a jerk to some people.
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* ShockingSwerve: While most of the twists in the sequel fit into the plot well and have decent amounts of foreshadowing, [[spoiler: Iris' parentage]] feels more like a twist for the sake of a twist. It isn't fully revealed until after the final trial is over, so it doesn't impact any of the actual cases, and the way it's done leaves a lot of questions. [[spoiler: While it makes sense that Sherlock wouldn't want Iris knowing her father was a serial killer, that he'd allow her to go on thinking John H. Watson, a total stranger, was her father for years seems suspect. And since the John H. Watson in this universe is literally Watson InNameOnly, her having the surname doesn't carry any real significance except to trick the players. Not a lot of the plot would change if she really was Watson's daughter.]] It also leads to a short subplot where [[spoiler: [[YourCheatingHeart Yuujin is suspected of fathering her via an affair]]]] that doesn't end up going anywhere.
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* MagnificentBastard: Hart Vortex, a FauxAffablyEvil mastermind who is also the Chief Justice of England. Despite being the main villain of the duology, his motives aren't revealed until the second game, as before that he's a seemingly good ReasonableAuthorityFigure. Vortex's main goal is to purge England of crime. In order to do this, he creates a serial killer known as "The Professor" killing his way to the top, and covers it all up by blaming Genshin Asougi, Kazuma's father. Warning Genshin he will be unable to see his family again, Genshin accepts a guilty verdict, unwittingly receiving the death penalty. He aimed to kill his two accomplices to prevent them from talking. He sent Ann Sasha (known to Japan as Jezail Brett) to kill the fake John A. Watson, while he raised Kazuma; who was thought to be dead, into a prosecutor and ordered him to kill Tobias Gregson, the detective. When that failed, his Japanese accomplice Seishirou Jigoku killed Gregson instead. In spite of being behind a lot of the game, and having lots of blood on his hands, Hart Vortex never deviates from his well-intentioned goal of a crime-free England. After he is defeated by Ryunnosuke Naruhodo and Sherlock Holmes, Vortex accepts defeat gracefully and is arrested and demoted from his position. In the end despite willing to do anything to get there, Vortex really did want what was best for England.
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* InternetBackdraft: Changing Dr. John Watson into an 8-year old girl with pink hair but otherwise keeping most of the attributes usually associated with him (the medical doctorate, the possibility he was the real author of Holmes's chronicles, etc.) brought up WillingSuspensionOfDisbelief issues. Even in a series rife with ChildProdigy characters and other implausibilities (spirit channeling, hyper-sensitive tell-spotting, sensing emotional dissonance with ultra-sharp hearing, etc.) the notion that Iris Watson has accomplished so much while only being eight has ruffled feathers amidst those who have been exposed to her. It's unknown whether the team realized this on their own or did it as a reply to the reception, but she was then bumped up two years to be 10 in the release. Not to mention [[spoiler:the ''actual'' John Watson was real, and is the victim of the first case. Iris appears to just be picking up the slack of her deceased relative after the fact. Granted, he was still the real author of Holmes's chronicles, Iris just found and published them]].
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** [[spoiler: Cosney Megundal. He managed to successfully manipulate his defense attorney into ensuring his acquittal and while Ryuunosuke does notice Megundal's suspicious behavior, it is far too late for him to do anything. And as such, he promptly gets away with the murder. [[AssholeVictim For all of ten minutes, anyway.]] ]]
** The final case culprit too. [[spoiler: Used his money to bribe the court bailiffs and several others into setting up Megundal to be killed, coming up with a plan to obfuscate the stolen state secrets, and, when he's called to the witness stand out of the blue, he takes advantage of Gina's testimony to strike a deal with Gregson ''while on the witness stand'' to ensure he has enough information to fake a testimony. He only gets away with it because Susato intentionally set up a SpannerInTheWorks.]]
** [[spoiler: Cosney Megundal. He managed to successfully manipulate his defense attorney into ensuring his acquittal and while Ryuunosuke does notice Megundal's suspicious behavior, it is far too late for him to do anything. And as such, he promptly gets away with the murder. [[AssholeVictim For all of ten minutes, anyway.]] ]]
** The final case culprit too. [[spoiler: Used his money to bribe the court bailiffs and several others into setting up Megundal to be killed, coming up with a plan to obfuscate the stolen state secrets, and, when he's called to the witness stand out of the blue, he takes advantage of Gina's testimony to strike a deal with Gregson ''while on the witness stand'' to ensure he has enough information to fake a testimony. He only gets away with it because Susato intentionally set up a SpannerInTheWorks.]]
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* MagnificentBastard:
** [[spoiler: Cosney Megundal. He managed to successfully manipulateMagnificentBastard: Hart Vortex, a FauxAffablyEvil mastermind who is also the Chief Justice of England. Despite being the main villain of the duology, his defense attorney into ensuring his acquittal and while Ryuunosuke does notice Megundal's suspicious behavior, it is far too late for him to do anything. And as such, he promptly gets away with motives aren't revealed until the murder. [[AssholeVictim For all of ten minutes, anyway.]] ]]
** The final case culprit too. [[spoiler: Used his money to bribe the court bailiffs and several others into setting up Megundal to be killed, coming up with a plan to obfuscate the stolen state secrets, and, whensecond game, as before that he's called a seemingly good ReasonableAuthorityFigure. Vortex's main goal is to purge England of crime. In order to do this, he creates a serial killer known as "The Professor" killing his way to the witness stand out of top, and covers it all up by blaming Genshin Asougi, Kazuma's father. Warning Genshin he will be unable to see his family again, Genshin accepts a guilty verdict, unwittingly receiving the blue, death penalty. He aimed to kill his two accomplices to prevent them from talking. He sent Ann Sasha (known to Japan as Jezail Brett) to kill the fake John A. Watson, while he takes advantage of Gina's testimony raised Kazuma; who was thought to strike be dead, into a deal with prosecutor and ordered him to kill Tobias Gregson, the detective. When that failed, his Japanese accomplice Seishirou Jigoku killed Gregson ''while on instead. In spite of being behind a lot of the witness stand'' game, and having lots of blood on his hands, Hart Vortex never deviates from his well-intentioned goal of a crime-free England. After he is defeated by Ryunnosuke Naruhodo and Sherlock Holmes, Vortex accepts defeat gracefully and is arrested and demoted from his position. In the end despite willing to ensure he has enough information do anything to fake a testimony. He only gets away with it because Susato intentionally set up a SpannerInTheWorks.]]get there, Vortex really did want what was best for England.
** [[spoiler: Cosney Megundal. He managed to successfully manipulate
** The final case culprit too. [[spoiler: Used his money to bribe the court bailiffs and several others into setting up Megundal to be killed, coming up with a plan to obfuscate the stolen state secrets, and, when
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** Asougi Kazuma [[spoiler: turned out to be a case of AdvertisedExtra]], but is extremely popular with fans due to his samurai theme, [[AwesomeMusic incredibly awesome theme tune]] and friendship with Ryuunosuke. The writers confessed in interviews that he ended up much more popular than they expected. [[spoiler: He's a case of NotSoSmallRole in the sequel, though whether it's a case of SavedByTheFans or not is unknown.]]
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** Asougi Kazuma [[spoiler: turned out to be a case of AdvertisedExtra]], but is extremely popular with fans due to his samurai theme, [[AwesomeMusic [[SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic incredibly awesome theme tune]] and friendship with Ryuunosuke. The writers confessed in interviews that he ended up much more popular than they expected. [[spoiler: He's a case of NotSoSmallRole in the sequel, though whether it's a case of SavedByTheFans or not is unknown.]]
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* HilariousInHindsight: In the English Localization of one of the games, Nick refers to himself as "Sherlock Holmes II." Here, his ancestor actually works alongside Holmes himself.
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** In the English Localization of one of the games, Nick refers to himself as "Sherlock Holmes II." Here, his ancestor actually works alongside Holmeshimself.himself.
** A throwaway joke for presenting random evidence in ''Dual Destinies'' involved one character exclaiming "The true culprit is [[spoiler: the judge]]!" You could also accuse [[spoiler: the judge]] at one point in ''Justice for All'' for a massive penalty. Come ''Dai Gyakuten Saiban 2'' and... [[spoiler: not one, but ''two'' judges are villains, and one of them is the BigBad]].
** In the English Localization of one of the games, Nick refers to himself as "Sherlock Holmes II." Here, his ancestor actually works alongside Holmes
** A throwaway joke for presenting random evidence in ''Dual Destinies'' involved one character exclaiming "The true culprit is [[spoiler: the judge]]!" You could also accuse [[spoiler: the judge]] at one point in ''Justice for All'' for a massive penalty. Come ''Dai Gyakuten Saiban 2'' and... [[spoiler: not one, but ''two'' judges are villains, and one of them is the BigBad]].
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* SurprisinglyImprovedSequel: Single case example. The Adventure of the Clouded Kokoro wasn't a particularly well-liked case for a number of reasons, such as [[spoiler: The Garridebs]] being UnintentionallyUnsympathetic and [[spoiler: the whole plot being one big ContrivedCoincidence]]. Its SequelEpisode in the second game, The Memoir of the Clouded Kokoro, has received very positive reception, due to hiding one of its bigger twists from the marketing (namely [[spoiler: the victim actually survived his poisoning]]) and for [[spoiler: having essentially ''two'' villains, both of whom were well-received]]. Some have called it the best second case in the series.
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* SurprisinglyImprovedSequel: ShockingSwerve: While most of the twists in the sequel fit into the plot well and have decent amounts of foreshadowing, [[spoiler: Iris' parentage]] feels more like a twist for the sake of a twist. It isn't fully revealed until after the final trial is over, so it doesn't impact any of the actual cases, and the way it's done leaves a lot of questions. [[spoiler: While it makes sense that Sherlock wouldn't want Iris knowing her father was a serial killer, that he'd allow her to go on thinking John H. Watson, a total stranger, was her father for years seems suspect. And since the John H. Watson in this universe is literally Watson InNameOnly, her having the surname doesn't carry any real significance except to trick the players. Not a lot of the plot would change if she really was Watson's daughter.]] It also leads to a short subplot where [[spoiler: [[YourCheatingHeart Yuujin is suspected of fathering her via an affair]]]] that doesn't end up going anywhere.
* SurprisinglyImprovedSequel:
** Single case example. The Adventure of the Clouded Kokoro wasn't a particularly well-liked case for a number of reasons, such as [[spoiler: The Garridebs]] being UnintentionallyUnsympathetic and [[spoiler: the whole plot being one big ContrivedCoincidence]]. Its SequelEpisode in the second game, The Memoir of the Clouded Kokoro, has received very positive reception, due to hiding one of its bigger twists from the marketing (namely [[spoiler: the victim actually survived his poisoning]]) and for [[spoiler: having essentially ''two'' villains, both of whom were well-received]]. Some have called it the best second case in the series.
** The second game in general is much more beloved than the first game, which was mostly considered SoOkayItsAverage apart from [[WhamEpisode Case 3]]. Many consider the second game's finale to be among the best in the series.
* SurprisinglyImprovedSequel:
** Single case example. The Adventure of the Clouded Kokoro wasn't a particularly well-liked case for a number of reasons, such as [[spoiler: The Garridebs]] being UnintentionallyUnsympathetic and [[spoiler: the whole plot being one big ContrivedCoincidence]]. Its SequelEpisode in the second game, The Memoir of the Clouded Kokoro, has received very positive reception, due to hiding one of its bigger twists from the marketing (namely [[spoiler: the victim actually survived his poisoning]]) and for [[spoiler: having essentially ''two'' villains, both of whom were well-received]]. Some have called it the best second case in the series.
** The second game in general is much more beloved than the first game, which was mostly considered SoOkayItsAverage apart from [[WhamEpisode Case 3]]. Many consider the second game's finale to be among the best in the series.
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: Related to ShockingSwerve above, [[spoiler: Iris turns out to be Barok van Zeiks' niece]], yet only learns of this fact after the final trial is over. There could have been some neat emotional drama if [[spoiler: either found out the truth while Barok was in the defendant's chair]]. As a result, a possible character interaction is never explored the way it could have been.
