History YMMV / CivilWarII

* HilariousInHindsight: The entire comic is nothing but Tony and Carol having a morality-based dick measuring contest... only for ''VideoGame/MarvelVsCapcomInfinite'' to show up and have the two characters fighting side-by-side as friends and allies.
** Even better, in ''Film/AvengersEndgame'', [[spoiler: It's Carol who ends up saving Tony from dying alone in the depths of space.]]

** Is this better or worse than the original ''ComicBook/CivilWar''? Those that hold the former view say that the topic is much more meaningful and clear than the original which suffered DependingOnTheWriter, while those in the latter party believe that all the same mistakes were made, leading it to be worse because the writers repeated all mistakes.

* OlderThanTheyThink: Carol Danvers' attitude here, especially post-issue #4, isn't the first time she's behaved in this fashion. In the original ''ComicBook/CivilWar'', Carol acted the same exact way, with one infamous incident that had her hunt down and beat up Julia Carpenter (ComicBook/SpiderWoman, or "Arachne" at the time) in front of her daughter.

** It's another ''ComicBook/CivilWar'', coming so close after ''ComicBook/SecretWars2015'' that it was advertised long before this latter event was even halfway through, and the advertisement for Marvel comics following this event [[spoiler:not only show that this event will end with the heroes of the Marvel Universe divided ''again'', but Marvel editors affirm that an "Inhumans Vs. X-Men" event is soon to come (and apparent project titles tossed around for it on the Internet have been some dreary ones like 'Death of X' or 'End of X').]] Several critics and commenters in social media have mentioned that they are, quite plainly, ''tired'' of this type of Status Quo. Likewise, to fuel the event, both sides are depicted in an extremely unsympathetic light, both committing horrible actions without reasonable justification in order to muddy their points, rather than maturely explore the pros and cons of their side as a basis for the conflict. As a result, rather than the viewer being free to support whichever side they believe has the most sound basis, they're left trying to decide which one is less of an asshole about it.

** Tony's 2019 solo has him suffering CloningBlues because he's not sure if he's the original or a backup copy. Made worse by the fact that Carol had a tie-in to the Infinity Wars event where she saw an alternate reality where she did more obviously kill Tony. Turns out the sole difference between that reality and mainstream is whether Tony's body was intact for the backup to take effect. [[spoiler:While he did have a breakdown over the nature of his body in the lead-up to ''ComicBook/IronMan2020Event'', this was mitigated by issue 4 revealing he is indeed Tony.]]

** The Gentleman from the ''[[Literature/SinisterSixTrilogy Sinister Six]]'' trilogy of novels by Adam-Troy Castro has a cameo as one of Wilson Fisk's associates in ''Civil War II: Kingpin'' #4.

* AuthorsSavingThrow
** Seems like the creators saw the backlash towards Steve Rogers being on Carol's side. They later clarified that Steve's really not on anyone's side, more or less a third party, and is trying to prevent the war by finding a middle ground, since he remembered the last one and clearly does not want to go through that again[[note]]since it not only destroyed his friendship with Tony and left Earth wide open for [[ComicBook/WorldWarHulk all]] [[ComicBook/SecretInvasion sorts]] [[ComicBook/DarkReign of shenanigans]], he kind of ''died'' at the end[[/note]]. Of course given [[ComicBook/CaptainAmericaSteveRogers what was going on with Steve at the time]], him not being on either side isn't necessarily a good thing.
** She-Hulk getting sidelined by a missile? That's too dumb! ''ComicBook/AForce'' #8 seems to suggest, though, that She-Hulk was ''injured'' by the missile ([[{{Lampshaded}} which even she can't believe]]) and her sidelining injuries were caused by Thanos taking advantage of it. It's also revealed that A-Force was also involved in the fight, so it wasn't just a small team going against Thanos.

* AudienceAlienatingPremise: Right from the get-go, this event has a lot going against it. 1.) It's part of a long line of Hero vs. Hero events that started all the way from ''ComicBook/AvengersVsXMen'', which many fans are tired of. 2.) It's a "sequel" to the original ''ComicBook/CivilWar'', which was already divisive in its own right. 3.) It was released in the same year that the movie ''Film/CaptainAmericaCivilWar'', causing a lot of fans to interprete that the sole purpose of this event was simply to ride off the movie's marketing simply because it shares the same title (which the writers ultimately admitted).

* IdiotPlot: Carol has a [[{{Seers}} semi-but-not-wholly-reliable means of predicting the future]] that often gives out really dodgy-seeming predictions. Rather than use its tips as suggestions for things to watch out for, she instead uses them as an excuse to AlphaStrike friends, colleagues and civilians alike in an attempt to [[PrecrimeArrest stop the crime from ever happening]], which often causes the [[SelfFulfillingProphecy prediction to happen when it otherwise wouldn't have]]. ''And she does this multiple times.''
** Tony, meanwhile, seems to believe that, since the visions are not always-accurate, they shouldn't be considered at all, even as a form of [[MysteriousInformant anonymous tip]]. Maybe a bit of an [[ArbitrarySkepticism arbitrary line]] to draw in a FantasyKitchenSink like the MU, but still fair enough. Immediately escalating his attempts to stop Carol from "ask nicely" to LetsYouAndHimFight? Less so.
* MoralEventHorizon:
** [[spoiler:Carol still plans to go through with her "Change the Future" plans even after Tony shows evidence that Ulysses' visions are only ''possible'' futures. What kicks off the fight is when she arrests a woman and plans to imprison her indefinitely with the only evidence being Ulysses' vision and an empty briefcase. Even more, her main reasoning for arresting her, that she was a HYDRA agent in secret, was proven wrong, too, when Steve reveals that she was never a part of ''any'' HYDRA cell at all. And if she didn't cross it then, she certainly crossed it when she nearly killed Tony.]]
** There's also the Inhumans for their DisproportionateRetribution for Tony kidnapping Ulysses going way too far. Others argue that it's their general apathy towards the casual ''genocide'' they are currently inflicting on the mutants via the Terrigen Mist spread.
** It's revealed in ''Captain America: Steve Rogers'' #5 that [[spoiler:''Steve Rogers himself'' caused Bruce Banner's death by sending him a letter with the idea of trying to cure all Hulk-types.]] [[FridgeHorror However]], [[spoiler:it's already established that he's basically been brainwashed by Red Skull with a Cosmic Cube to serve HYDRA. Which [[GreaterScopeVillain indirectly makes this yet another one for the latter]].]]

** The ''Choosing Sides'' book brings back the ComicBook/PowerPack, Tom Foster, ComicBook/DamageControl and Night Thrasher, the latter fresh off of his revival during ''ComicBook/ContestOfChampions''.

** [[spoiler:[[WhatAnIdiot Carol still plans to go through with her "Change the Future" plans even after Tony shows evidence that Ulysses' visions are only ''possible'' futures.]] What kicks off the fight is when she arrests a woman and plans to imprison her indefinitely with the only evidence being Ulysses' vision and an empty briefcase. Even more, her main reasoning for arresting her, that she was a HYDRA agent in secret, was proven wrong, too, when Steve reveals that she was never a part of ''any'' HYDRA cell at all. And if she didn't cross it then, she certainly crossed it when she nearly killed Tony.]]

* WhatAnIdiot:
** Carol Danvers, armed with a prediction that "The Hulk"[[note]]Who isn't even Bruce Banner at the time.[[/note]] will destroy the world, decides to try and prevent the prediction.\\
'''You'd Expect:''' Have covert teams monitor both Bruce Banner and [[Comicbook/TotallyAwesomeHulk Amadeus Cho]] around the clock, with gamma-reading equipment. If necessary, ''gently'' inform them that they're being monitored but that you're giving them the benefit of the doubt due to their efforts as heroes.\\
'''Instead:''' Carol, Tony Stark, and the ''entire'' active Avengers roster show up in full gear and surrounds Bruce Banner, get into an argument over what to do with him, have Hank "Beast" [=McCoy=] snoop through his files, and bring Maria "Let's Arrest Captain America, Gang" Hill along.\\
'''The Result:''' Dr. Banner becomes terrified, angry, confused and nervous on the spot. Beast loudly informs everyone that Banner's still doing Gamma experiments, being vague enough that everyone jumps to conclusions, and Maria Hill decides to arrest Banner. Because of this, Banner becomes even angrier and Hawkeye (one of the Avengers brought along) shoots Banner dead because he thought he might change.
** And then pretty much this entire thing (minus the Avengers and Maria Hill) is repeated when Carol and S.H.I.E.L.D. arrive in force with guns pointed at Amadeus Cho, the new Hulk, ''to see if he's okay after Banner's death.'' After seeing how badly the last situation ended up, they specifically did ''the exact same thing'' over again.\\
'''Even Worse:''' [[spoiler: [[NiceJobBreakingItHero Ulysses and Hawkeye just provided The Hand, those ninja/necromancers, a new weapon for their undead army]]. [[NinjaPirateZombieRobot On the other hand, we ARE talking about]] [[CoolButStupid a Zombie Ninja Hulk]], so... make of it what you will.]]
** Another one concerning Carol: Carol is given another prediction in which Nico would end up killing a girl named Alice. At the same time, Dazzler is reading Carol the riot act for going along with all of this and accusing her of mincing She-Hulk's last words before she passed out. The two, along with Medusa, go to confront Nico.\\
'''You'd Expect:''' Since Nico is a teen and also a part of a team, they'd give her the reason of doubt and do what they can to make sure this doesn't come to pass. As well, seeing as she's someone who's been betrayed before and locked up in various places, they'd do what they can to make sure keeping her safe doesn't mean enforcing a lockdown on her.\\
'''Instead:''' The entire thing is dropped onto Nico like a ton of bricks and Dazzler point-blank says that Carol's going to arrest her. \\
'''The Result:''' Hurt and betrayed, Nico attacks Carol and Medusa, then teleports away, leading to a chase that, surprise of surprises, leads them to Alice's doorstep.
** And let's go for the hat trick with how Carol's faction handles a vision that Old Man Logan would attack Gabby, X-23's "little sister" clone.\\
'''You'd Expect:''' Carol to send an X-Man such as Storm in order to check up the erstwhile family, or at least blackbag Wolverine when he's not in the room with both Laura and Gabby.\\
'''Instead''': Carol gives X-23 a phone call saying "He's going to stab Gabby" right while surrounding the complex with S.H.I.E.L.D.. Captain America attempts to explain the situation, causing Logan to huff and attempt to walk away from the whole thing. So naturally, S.H.I.E.L.D. bursts in, causing Gabby and Logan to flee. The S.H.I.E.L.D. officers shoot Logan up with tranq darts, which causes him to go berserk.\\
'''The Result''': Logan, in a PTSD-caused flash to the (evil) Gabby of his timeline, impales the young girl before running off into the sewers. Laura goes after him, believing that Old Man Logan truly is a monster wearing her father's face. Gabby survives, revealing she was the only clone to possess Laura's healing factor. Both Laura and Gabby call out Captain America for going along with the pre-crime initiative, as it directly resulted in their small family fracturing. The pair decide to get themselves as far away from the conflict as possible, and any potential for Laura and Logan to have another go at being a family is destroyed.\\
'''Even worse''': The S.H.I.E.L.D. agents lock Laura's apartment down, but are shocked that Logan would... cut an exit through a wall. Because apparently they've never heard of Wolverine. If you're gonna go this idiotic route, at least do it ''well''!
** Tony covers plenty of ground with the IdiotBall firmly in hand, too. In issue #4 there's a rational, level-headed meeting where he lays out his objections to predictive justice and says he'll have to notify the public about the problems he's found. Carol isn't going to back down, though.\\
'''You'd Expect:''' Tony to do exactly what he threatens and launch a PR campaign pointing out all the legal and ethical flaws in Carol's plans. Maybe he brings political pressure to bear to get Carol shut down.\\
'''Instead:''' Tony swipes Carol's latest suspect out of custody and stages a testosterone-drenched showdown right outside the Triskelion, babbling nonsense about "having no other choice" besides fighting.\\
'''The Result:''' Tony's already-tenuous team splinters in the immediate aftermath of the fight and instead of working to shore up his coalition, Tony doubles down on his "violence is the only answer now" position. From here to the end of the event he's solely focused on trying to punch Carol's head off.

** Steve's visions of what he wants for America in "The Oath", particularly in light of the current political landscape.

** [[spoiler:Rhodey's death here is just the end of a TraumaCongaLine for the character, especially since the FCBD book came out ''one day'' after ''Film/CaptainAmericaCivilWar'', where Rhodey is paralyzed by a stray blast by the Vision. Suddenly, Movie!Rhodey looks like the ''lucky'' one.]]

* TearJerker: [[spoiler:Rhodey's death and Carol cradling him in her arms afterwords. Seeing a strong, normally upbeat character broken like that is heartwrenching.]]

* AudienceAlienatingPremise: Right from the get-go, this event has a lot going against it. 1.) It's part of a long line of Hero vs. Hero events that started all the way from ''ComicBook/AvengersVsXMen'', which many fans are tired of. 2.) It's a "sequel" to the original ''ComicBook/CivilWar'', which was already divisive in its own right. 3.) It was released in the same year that the movie ''Film/CaptainAmericaCivilWar'', causing a lot of fans to interprete that the sole purpose of this event was simply to ride off the movie's marketing simply because it shares the same title.

** [[spoiler:Rhodey's death]] has also drawn ire, with some thinking it's a reasonable way to kickstart the event and others finding it a cheap case of a CynicismCatalyst to get Tony and Carol to fight (especially since ''Film/CaptainAmericaCivilWar'' showed a way that the conflict could still occur without any named characters dying). The authorial justification for the death either explained things out or just made things worse as [[spoiler:the Rhodey/Carol relationship was rather rushed and many felt it existed as an excuse to give her something tied to Tony]].
** [[spoiler:Bruce's death]] has really drawn in ire, mostly due to what happened before the spoilered action. The biggest problem was that [[spoiler:''Civil War II'' depicted Bruce proclaiming that he was always on the verge of the Hulk returning while ''ComicBook/TotallyAwesomeHulk'' proclaimed that Bruce was 100% cured]]. Those who don't like what happened claim that this is Bendis ignoring CharacterizationMarchesOn in favor of telling his own story while others claim that [[spoiler:Bruce has always been one step away from releasing the beast, even after losing him.]]
** The above action is also divisive among Hawkeye's fandom, as once again Bendis depicts Clint [[spoiler:using deadly force, which goes against one of Hawkeye's ''biggest'' character traits, yet Bendis has a history of ignoring it and depicting him as the most kill-happy Avenger]]. Some fans believe this is Bendis butchering Clint Barton ''again'', while others at least think that Hawkeye [[spoiler:dealing with the guilt of killing a ''friend'' would provide interesting character development for him.]] Though the detractors point out that [[spoiler:Bruce]] and Clint were never close and were never really friends.

** [[spoiler: Tony's final fate in the finale. Some feel that his coma is a copout and that he should have actually died for the event to had some meaningful impact, while others are just glad that Carol isn't a murderer.]] Adding to this debate is the fact that some feel [[spoiler: Tony not really being dead]] makes it very hard to get invested in Comicbook/{{Ironheart}}, since [[spoiler: it's now all but assured Tony will be back to reclaim the Iron Man mantle from her]].

** [[spoiler:Bruce Banner's Final Will and Testament]]. Turns out he had a ''lot'' planned out for this - he had a benefit corporation set up to use the money from his invention patents to pay for the victims of the Hulk's rampage and gave his friends, including Rick Jones, Betty Ross and the Warbound, a good chunk of money and a few gifts of their own - Music/JimiHendrix's guitar to Rick, a new (perfectly legal) identity for Betty if what she's going through is too much and a reverse-engineered spaceship to get the Warbound back into space if they wish to. And the last one is a simple kitchen timer with one single request: if you ever start to get mad, set it to three minutes and cool off.

** It's revealed in ''Captain America: Steve Rogers'' #5 that [[spoiler:''Steve Rogers himself'' caused Bruce Banner's death by sending him a letter with the idea of trying to cure all Hulk-types.]] [[FridgeHorror However]], [[spoiler:it's already established that he's basically been brainwashed by Red Skull with a Cosmic Cube to serve HYDRA. Which [[GreaterScopeVillain indirectly makes this yet another one for the latter]]]].
* {{Narm}}:

* TaintedByThePreview: The lynchpin for the event, which abruptly killed off [[spoiler: Rhodey and (seemingly) Jen]], left a rather bad taste in many fans' mouths that has tainted their view of the event. The deaths of two popular characters to create a reason for the plot had a pretty common reaction from the fandom: "Oh. This is going to be one of ''those'' crossovers…"

** It's another ''ComicBook/CivilWar'', coming so close after ''ComicBook/SecretWars2015'' that it was advertised long before this latter event was even halfway through, and the advertisement for Marvel comics following this event [[spoiler:not only show that this event will end with the heroes of the Marvel Universe divided ''again'', but Marvel editors affirm that an "Inhumans Vs. X-Men" event is soon to come (and apparent project titles tossed around for it on the Internet have been some dreary ones like 'Death of X' or 'End of X')]]. Several critics and commenters in social media have mentioned that they are, quite plainly, ''tired'' of this type of Status Quo. Likewise, to fuel the event, both sides are depicted in an extremely unsympathetic light, both committing horrible actions without reasonable justification in order to muddy their points, rather than maturely explore the pros and cons of their side as a basis for the conflict. As a result, rather than the viewer being free to support whichever side they believe has the most sound basis, they're left trying to decide which one is less of an asshole about it.
** Invoked by [[spoiler: Laura Kinney, the new Wolverine, in all but name in the last issue of her tie-in. After which she grabs her younger sister/clone Gabby and [[ScrewThisImOuttaHere goes into hiding.]]]]
* UnexpectedCharacter:

---> '''Tony''': [[NeverMyFault Great job not killing Cap just then!]]
** To an extent, The Inhumans. They are already a BrokenBase due to their actions regarding the mists that are killing the mutants. But, they did have every right to be mad about Tony kidnapping Ulysses. However, their response was to basically destroy his company and his reputation, not to mention bombing his tower, possibly endangering others in the process. Meanwhile, they were the ones to bring Ulysses to the superheroes in the first place, but when [[spoiler: Carol implores for their help after the vision of Miles killing Cap, they just leave her to hold the bag.]]
* WhatAnIdiot:

'''Instead''': Carol gives X-23 a phone call saying "He's going to stab Gabby" right while surrounding the complex with S.H.I.E.L.D.. Captain America attempts to explain the situation, causing Logan to huff and attempt to walk away from the whole thing. So naturally, SHIELD bursts in, causing Gabby and Logan to flee. The S.H.I.E.L.D. officers shoot Logan up with tranq darts, which causes him to go berserk.\\

'''Even worse''': The S.H.I.E.L.D. agents lock Laura's apartment down, but are shocked that Logan would... cut an exit through a wall. Because apparently they've never heard of Wolverine. If you're gonna go this idiotic route, at least do it ''well!''

** Bruce Banner, who was absolutely and utterly betrayed by the people he thought of as friends and colleagues at a point where he was finally cured and happy, forced into a very stressful situation [[spoiler: and killed as a result.]]
** Also, Tony, who [[spoiler:lost his best friend in said mission. He then proceeded to lose his money, his company and his tower, was unable to save Banner, and is now facing arrest from Carol and SHIELD for freeing a woman who was arrested solely on a vision.]] Though, [[JerkassWoobie this is Tony Stark, after all]].

** Miles Morales, after [[spoiler: the vision of him killing Steve Rogers is revealed. Especially since we, as readers, know that Steve Rogers is secretly working for HYDRA and any and all destruction in the vision was probably caused by ''him'' instead of Miles and Miles likely would have every reason to put him down. However, the characters do not get any context so all Miles see is him holding the murdered body of the BigGood of the entire Marvel universe among a burnt city. How the hell is he supposed to take that as any way except FutureMeScaresMe?]]

** Tony Stark, as always. While many can understand why he is upset [[spoiler: at Rhodey's death]], the fact that he decided to take his feelings out on Carol and anyone around in the middle of a triage situation didn't win him any sympathy. It also doesn't help that his ranting is downright insulting. [[spoiler:Rhodey is after all a man who is both a veteran hero and soldier and has been in countless dangerous situations,]] with Tony's rant sounding like Rhodey was a child dragged into a dangerous situation by an irresponsible adult. On the other hand, [[spoiler:Rhodey was going up against [[ComicBook/{{Thanos}} THANOS]], and with somewhat weak armor to boot, so there was that]]. Part 2 helps Tony a bit by showing he didn't run off to kill Ulysses and Ulysses himself comes to understand Tony's reasoning of why his powers shouldn't just be accepted and that testing should probably be done before fully trusting the visions. Still, this comes after Tony basically declared war on the Inhumans by kidnapping Ulysses, then used enhanced interrogation to begin his study, as well as attacking several Inhumans in his getaway, including Queen Medusa.
** The Inhumans, as a whole. [[spoiler: While some feel that they aren't the true villains in all of this, most aren't happy with the [[DisproportionateRetribution actions that they took against Tony Stark, which basically destroyed his life and his company.]] Between that and their general behavior towards the mutant plight due to their mists killing them (justifying Magneto's anger), fan reaction isn't completely on their side.]]

** Seems like the creators saw the backlash towards Steve Rogers being on Carol's side. They later clarified that Steve's really not on anyone's side, more or less a third party, and is trying to prevent the war by finding a middle ground, since he remembered the last one and clearly does not want to go through that again [[note]]since it not only destroyed his friendship with Tony and left Earth wide open for [[ComicBook/WorldWarHulk all]] [[ComicBook/SecretInvasion sorts]] [[ComicBook/DarkReign of shenanigans]], he kind of ''died'' at the end[[/note]]. Of course given [[ComicBook/CaptainAmericaSteveRogers what was going on with Steve at the time]], him not being on either side isn't necessarily a good thing.

** Tony Stark, as always. While many can understand why he is upset [[spoiler: at Rhodey's death]], the fact that he decided to take his feelings out on Carol and anyone around in the middle of a triage situation didn't win him any sympathy. It also doesn't help that his ranting is downright insulting. [[spoiler:Rhodey is after all a man who is both a veteran hero and soldier and has been in countless dangerous situations,]] with Tony's rant sounding like Rhodey was a child dragged into a dangerous situation by an irresponsible adult. On the other hand, [[spoiler:Rhodey was going up against [[ComicBook/{{Thanos}} THANOS]]]], and with somewhat weak armor to boot, so there was that]]. Part 2 helps Tony a bit by showing he didn't run off to kill Ulysses and Ulysses himself comes to understand Tony's reasoning of why his powers shouldn't just be accepted and that testing should probably be done before fully trusting the visions. Still, this comes after Tony basically declared war on the Inhumans by kidnapping Ulysses, then used enhanced interrogation to begin his study, as well as attacking several Inhumans in his getaway, including Queen Medusa.

** Seems like the creators saw the backlash towards Steve Rogers being on Carol's side. They later clarified that Steve's really not on anyone's side, more or less a third party, and is trying to prevent the war by finding a middle ground, since he remembered the last one and clearly does not want to go through that again [[note]]since it not only destroyed his friendship with Tony and left Earth wide open for [[ComicBook/WorldWarHulk all]] [[ComicBook/SecretInvasion sorts]] [[ComicBook/DarkReign of shenanigans]], he kind of ''died'' at the end[[/note]]. Of course given [[ComicBook/NickSpencersCaptainAmerica what was going on with Steve at the time]], him not being on either side isn't necessarily a good thing.

** [[spoiler:Rhodey's death]] has also drawn ire, with some thinking it's a reasonable way to kickstart the event and others finding it a cheap case of StuffedIntoTheFridge to get Tony and Carol to fight (especially since ''Film/CaptainAmericaCivilWar'' showed a way that the conflict could still occur without any named characters dying). The authorial justification for the death either explained things out or just made things worse as [[spoiler:the Rhodey/Carol relationship was rather rushed and many felt it existed as an excuse to give her something tied to Tony]].

* DesignatedHero: Regardless of which side is meant to be the 'correct' one, both sides act in a ridiculously villainous manner that makes them a lot harder to root for. This might be intentional to add moral ambiguity, but all it does is make the conflict [[DarknessInducedAudienceApathy difficult to care about]].

* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy:
** It's another ''ComicBook/CivilWar'', coming so close after ''ComicBook/SecretWars2015'' that it was advertised long before this latter event was even halfway through, and the advertisement for Marvel comics following this event [[spoiler:not only show that this event will end with the heroes of the Marvel Universe divided ''again'', but Marvel editors affirm that an "Inhumans Vs. X-Men" event is soon to come (and apparent project titles tossed around for it on the Internet have been some dreary ones like 'Death of X' or 'End of X')]]. Several critics and commenters in social media have mentioned that they are, quite plainly, ''tired'' of this type of Status Quo. Likewise, to fuel the event, both sides are depicted in an extremely unsympathetic light, both committing horrible actions without reasonable justification in order to muddy their points, rather than maturely explore the pros and cons of their side as a basis for the conflict. As a result, rather than the viewer being free to support whichever side they believe has the most sound basis, they're left trying to decide which one is less of an asshole about it.
** Invoked by [[spoiler: Laura Kinney, the new Wolverine, in all but name in the last issue of her tie-in. After which she grabs her younger sister/clone Gabby and [[ScrewThisImOuttaHere goes into hiding.]] ]]

** Tony Stark, as always. While many can understand why he is upset [[spoiler: at Rhodey's death]], the fact that he decided to take his feelings out on Carol and anyone around in the middle of a triage situation didn't win him any sympathy. It also doesn't help that his ranting is downright insulting. [[spoiler:Rhodey is after all a man who is both a veteran hero and soldier and has been in countless dangerous situations,]] with Tony's rant sounding like Rhodey was a child dragged into a dangerous situation by an irresponsible adult. On the other hand, [[spoiler: Rhodey was going up against [[ComicBook/Thanos THANOS]], and with somewhat weak armor to boot, so there was that]]. Part 2 helps Tony a bit by showing he didn't run off to kill Ulysses and Ulysses himself comes to understand Tony's reasoning of why his powers shouldn't just be accepted and that testing should probably be done before fully trusting the visions. Still, this comes after Tony basically declared war on the Inhumans by kidnapping Ulysses, then used enhanced interrogation to begin his study, as well as attacking several Inhumans in his get away, including Queen Medusa.

** Finally, there is the biggest, Captain Marvel. While there are those who agree with her that her actions involving Ulysses's visions are saving people, many feel that she is being dumb, arrogant and stubborn with how she goes about dealing with them, especially since [[spoiler: it has led to her detaining people without much proof of anything, and those actions indirectly led to the deaths of Rhodey and Bruce Banner. Banner's case is even worse, as she led a large group of superheroes and S.H.I.E.L.D. agents to confront him, even though the vision said that he would kill them all. Later on, she still insists that the visions are helping and that Hawkeye may have saved people by killing Banner.]] Even [[LawfulStupid Maria Hill]] starts to think Carol is going too far. Even with her whole side falling apart and mounting evidence that she shouldn't be doing this, she continues to cling on to Ulysses's visions.

** Is this better or worse than the original ''ComicBook/CivilWar''? Those that hold the former view say that the topic is much more meaningful and clear than the original which suffered DependingOnTheWriter while those in the latter party believe that all the same mistakes were made, leading it to be worse because the writers repeated all mistakes.

** It's another ''ComicBook/CivilWar'', coming so close after ''ComicBook/SecretWars2015'' that it was advertised long before this latter event was even halfway through, and the advertisement for Marvel comics following this event [[spoiler:not only show that this event will end with the heroes of the Marvel Universe divided ''again'', but Marvel editors affirm that an "Inhumans Vs. X-Men" event is soon to come (and apparent project titles tossed around for it on the Internet have been some dreary ones like 'Death of X' or 'End of X')]]. Several critics and commenters in social media have mentioned that they are, quite plainly, ''tired'' of this type of Status Quo. Likewise, to fuel the event both sides are depicted in an extremely unsympathetic light, both committing horrible actions without reasonable justification in order to muddy their points, rather than maturely explore the pros and cons of their side as a basis for the conflict. As a result, rather than the viewer being free to support whichever side they believe has the most sound basis, they're left trying to decide which one is less of an asshole about it.

** Carol Danvers. When shown proof of how Ulysses' powers work, [[spoiler: [[IRejectYourReality she ignores it ]] [[OutOfCharacterMoment and continues her campaign of fighting the future]] by arresting a woman with the only proof being his vision of her and an empty suitcase.]] She recruits Kamala to aid her in her venture and essentially tells her to deal with it when the poor girl is having completely major second thoughts over the entire thing. Later on as she ramped up, several characters call her out on her increasingly totalitarian behavior. Magneto outright compares her to the Nazis after a few mishaps between her and the X-Man causing her to compare Magneto (who keep in mind is a Holocaust survivor) to an internet troll invoking GodwinsLaw. Notably, Carol seems to be repeating the same pitfalls that Tony went through in the original Civil War (whose side had a point but invalidated it by acting in a villainous manner), but exaggerated ten-fold. As trying to save people from attacks and crisis that would cause a huge loss of life (which Carol and the Ultimates had been doing and was Carol's initial plan for Ulysses) would be unquestionably a ''good thing'', it comes off as Marvel deliberately trying to make her more villainous to add more moral ambiguity to avoid Tony being the clear-cut bad guy.
** Tony Stark. After finding out about Ulysses' power he instantly distrusts it for little to no reason, starting an argument with his friends over essentially nothing. He follows this by, when Ulysses's vision gets [[spoiler:Rhodey killed, but successfully prevents the deaths that Thanos would have caused]], attacking the Inhumans and kidnapping Ulysses, proceeding to begin experimenting on him to determine how his powers work in order to find any flaw to justify his irrational distrust of him. When he goes about recruiting people to his cause, he does so through bribery (such as trying to buy Sam Wilson's support by playing off of his financial troubles), among other issues. While Carol is JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope, Tony seems to start the event being an unsympathetic asshole, even before Carol's extremism comes into play.

** Finally, there is the biggest, Captain Marvel. While there are those who agree with her that her actions involving Ulysses's visions are saving people, many feel that she is being dumb, arrogant and stubborn with how she goes about dealing with them, especially since [[spoiler: it has led to her detaining people without much proof of anything, and those actions indirectly led to the deaths of Rhodey and Bruce Banner. Banner's case is even worse, as she led a large group of superheroes and SHIELD agents to confront him, even though the vision said that he would kill them all. Later on, she still insists that the visions are helping and that Hawkeye may have saved people by killing Banner.]] Even [[LawfulStupid Maria Hill]] starts to think Carol is going too far. Even with her whole side falling apart and mounting evidence that she shouldn't be doing this, she continues to cling on to Ulysses's visions.

* TaintedByThePreview: The lynchpin for the event, which abruptly killed off [[spoiler: Rhodey and (seemingly) Jen]], left a rather bad taste in many fans' mouths that has tainted their view of the event. The deaths of two popular characters to create a reason for the plot had a pretty common reaction from the fandom: "Oh. This is going to be one of ''those'' crossovers..."

** And then pretty much this entire thing (minus the Avengers and Maria Hill) is repeated when Carol and SHIELD arrive in force with guns pointed at Amadeus Cho, the new Hulk, ''to see if he's okay after Banner's death.'' After seeing how badly the last situation ended up, they specifically did ''the exact same thing'' over again.\\

'''Instead''': Carol gives X-23 a phone call saying "He's going to stab Gabby" right while surrounding the complex with SHIELD. Captain America attempts to explain the situation, causing Logan to huff and attempt to walk away from the whole thing. So naturally, SHIELD bursts in, causing Gabby and Logan to flee. The SHIELD officers shoot Logan up with tranq darts, which causes him to go berserk.\\

'''Even worse''': The SHIELD agents lock Laura's apartment down, but are shocked that Logan would... cut an exit through a wall. Because apparently they've never heard of Wolverine. If you're gonna go this idiotic route, at least do it ''well!''

* AudienceAlienatingPremise: Right from the get-go, this event has a lot going against it. 1.) It's part of a long line of Hero vs. Hero events that started all the way from ''ComicBook/AvengersVsXmen'', which many fans are tired of. 2.) It's a "sequel" to the original ''ComicBook/CivilWar'', which was already divisive in its own right. 3.) It was released in the same year that the movie ''Film/CaptainAmericaCivilWar'', causing a lot of fans to interprete that the sole purpose of this event was simply to ride off the movie's marketing simply because it shares the same title.