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* Retrocausality: Could Spike and Drusilla's being able to love and feel jealousy have something to do with Angel's gaining a soul, even though that happened decades after both were sired? In the ''Angel'' episode "Why We Fight" it turns-out that his sole scion was 'tainted' by Angel's soul, and Magic may not care as much about causality as we tend to do…. Con: none of Spike's scions in Season Seven seem nice at all, but <handwaving about the The First Evil's being in the driver's seat when he made them>.
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It seems awfully coincidental that the only vampires who seem to feel love were sired by a vampire who'd later have a soul.
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* Retrocausality: Could Spike and Drusilla's being able to love and feel jealousy have something to do with Angel's gaining a soul, even though that happened decades after both were sired? In the ''Angel'' episode "Why We Fight" it turns-out that his sole scion was 'tainted' by Angel's soul, and Magic may not care as much about causality as we tend to do…. Con: none of Spike's scions in Season Seven seem nice at all, but <handwaving about the The First Evil's being in the driver's seat when he made them>.
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* FridgeLogic: So, no part of a explosive rocket or bazooka is manufactured through "heating and hammering"? Website/TelevisionWithoutPity takes their word for it.
** I don't think it's the "forged" that's the important part--it's more like "no weapon YET forged can kill him." That's why Buffy says "that was then--this is now." Times have changed.
** It's pretty clear from the fact that an army was able to dismember the Judge in the past that weapons ''can'' cut him -- they just can't ''kill'' him. Otherwise how did they get his arms and legs off? The bazooka is just a much faster and more efficient way of removing limbs -- especially since you don't need to get close enough for him to burn you alive in order to use it.
* FridgeBrilliance: More than a few fans and critics have [[IdiotPlot questioned why the Romani clan would create a spell with a "perfect happiness" loophole]]. But it's never said that they did this deliberately, it could [[EquivalentExchange simply be the way magic works]]. When you've got spells lasting for eternity or that affect people over generations, the Universe or the PowersThatBe would need a safety valve or the whole world would be full of cursed people. Alternatively, you could take it as the Kalderash being so obsessed with vengance that, instead of allowing the cursed Angel to have any respite from his torment, they considered it better to end the curse if he did achieve happiness than allow him to continue living with some form of comfort.
* HilariousInHindsight: Spike taunting Angel about how his love for Buffy turned him into her lapdog. Spike eventually falls for Buffy himself, only to end up the "whipping boy" for all her unresolved Angel angst.
** I don't think it's the "forged" that's the important part--it's more like "no weapon YET forged can kill him." That's why Buffy says "that was then--this is now." Times have changed.
** It's pretty clear from the fact that an army was able to dismember the Judge in the past that weapons ''can'' cut him -- they just can't ''kill'' him. Otherwise how did they get his arms and legs off? The bazooka is just a much faster and more efficient way of removing limbs -- especially since you don't need to get close enough for him to burn you alive in order to use it.
* FridgeBrilliance: More than a few fans and critics have [[IdiotPlot questioned why the Romani clan would create a spell with a "perfect happiness" loophole]]. But it's never said that they did this deliberately, it could [[EquivalentExchange simply be the way magic works]]. When you've got spells lasting for eternity or that affect people over generations, the Universe or the PowersThatBe would need a safety valve or the whole world would be full of cursed people. Alternatively, you could take it as the Kalderash being so obsessed with vengance that, instead of allowing the cursed Angel to have any respite from his torment, they considered it better to end the curse if he did achieve happiness than allow him to continue living with some form of comfort.
* HilariousInHindsight: Spike taunting Angel about how his love for Buffy turned him into her lapdog. Spike eventually falls for Buffy himself, only to end up the "whipping boy" for all her unresolved Angel angst.
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** I don't think it's the "forged" that's the important part--it's more like "no weapon YET forged can kill him." That's why Buffy says "that was then--this is now." Times have changed.
** It's pretty clear from the fact that an army was able to dismember the Judge in the past that weapons ''can'' cut him -- they just can't ''kill'' him. Otherwise how did they get his arms and legs off? The bazooka is just a much faster and more efficient way of removing limbs -- especially since you don't need to get close enough for him to burn you alive in order to use it.
* FridgeBrilliance: More than a few fans and critics have [[IdiotPlot questioned why the Romani clan would create a spell with a "perfect happiness" loophole]]. But it's never said that they did this deliberately, it could [[EquivalentExchange simply be the way magic works]]. When you've got spells lasting for eternity or that affect people over generations, the Universe or the PowersThatBe would need a safety valve or the whole world would be full of cursed people. Alternatively, you could take it as the Kalderash being so obsessed with vengance that, instead of allowing the cursed Angel to have any respite from his torment, they considered it better to end the curse if he did achieve happiness than allow him to continue living with some form of comfort.
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* HilariousInHindsight: [[spoiler:Spike taunting Angel about how his love for Buffy turned him into her lapdog. Spike eventually falls for Buffy himself, only to end up the "whipping boy" for all her unresolved Angel angst.]]
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* HilariousInHindsight: [[spoiler:Spike Spike taunting Angel about how his love for Buffy turned him into her lapdog. Spike eventually falls for Buffy himself, only to end up the "whipping boy" for all her unresolved Angel angst.]]
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** It's pretty clear from the fact that an army was able to dismember the Judge in the past that weapons ''can'' cut him -- they just can't ''kill'' him. Otherwise how did they get his arms and legs off? The bazooka is just a much faster and more efficient way of removing limbs -- especially since you don't need to get close enough for him to burn you alive in order to use it.
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Even if the show itself uses it, "gypsie" is a racist slur and should not be used in a neutral setting like this wiki.
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* FridgeBrilliance: More than a few fans and critics have [[IdiotPlot questioned why gypsies would create a spell with a "perfect happiness" loophole]]. But it's never said that they did this deliberately, it could [[EquivalentExchange simply be the way magic works]]. When you've got spells lasting for eternity or that affect people over generations, the Universe or the PowersThatBe would need a safety valve or the whole world would be full of cursed people. Alternatively, you could take it as the Kalderash being so obsessed with vengance that, instead of allowing the cursed Angel to have any respite from his torment, they considered it better to end the curse if he did achieve happiness than allow him to continue living with some form of comfort.
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* FridgeBrilliance: More than a few fans and critics have [[IdiotPlot questioned why gypsies the Romani clan would create a spell with a "perfect happiness" loophole]]. But it's never said that they did this deliberately, it could [[EquivalentExchange simply be the way magic works]]. When you've got spells lasting for eternity or that affect people over generations, the Universe or the PowersThatBe would need a safety valve or the whole world would be full of cursed people. Alternatively, you could take it as the Kalderash being so obsessed with vengance that, instead of allowing the cursed Angel to have any respite from his torment, they considered it better to end the curse if he did achieve happiness than allow him to continue living with some form of comfort.
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* DeletedScene: In the original script, there is an entire scene of Angelus bantering with Jenny's uncle which was cut. The actors credited as "Teacher" and "Student" do not actually appear in the episode. The scene they were appeared, which revolved around Buffy running out of class after a series of dark thoughts about having sex the night before, was cut due to time.
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* HilariousInHindsight: [[spoiler:Spike taunting Angel about how his love for Buffy turned him into her lapdog. Spike eventually falls for Buffy himself, only to end up the "whipping boy" for all her unresolved Angel angst.]]
* IdealizedSex: In Buffy's dream, showing how she has idealised their relationship.
* TheOtherDarrin: In the flashback scenes of Buffy and Angel making love, the heavy breathing wasn't voiced by David and Sarah, but rather by series creator Joss Whedon and supervising sound editor Cindy Rabideau. (Apparently Joss was too embarrassed to ask the stars to record it.)
* RewatchBonus: Uncle Enyos belief that the return of Angelus was 'arranged' is a lot more plausible knowing he's a tool of the PowersThatBe, both good and evil, in the [[Series/{{Angel}} spin-off series]], and [[spoiler:Twilight in the comic series.]]
* SignatureScene: For a lot of fans three things come to mind with Buffy: her macking with Series/{{Angel}}, her being a BastardGirlfriend to Spike, and her shooting a rocket launcher at her vampire ex.
* ThrowItIn: The scene where Angel dumps Buffy in his apartment was not supposed to take place there. Halfway through shooting the scene on Buffy's lawn, Sarah Michelle Gellar and David Boreanaz told Joss that the scene wasn't working, so he moved it to the bedroom. Buffy is still heard saying she saw him at "the house".
* WhatCouldHaveBeen:
** The rocket launcher was originally a tank in the script.
** [[spoiler: Jenny Calendar was originally supposed to die in ''this'' episode.]]
* IdealizedSex: In Buffy's dream, showing how she has idealised their relationship.
* TheOtherDarrin: In the flashback scenes of Buffy and Angel making love, the heavy breathing wasn't voiced by David and Sarah, but rather by series creator Joss Whedon and supervising sound editor Cindy Rabideau. (Apparently Joss was too embarrassed to ask the stars to record it.)
* RewatchBonus: Uncle Enyos belief that the return of Angelus was 'arranged' is a lot more plausible knowing he's a tool of the PowersThatBe, both good and evil, in the [[Series/{{Angel}} spin-off series]], and [[spoiler:Twilight in the comic series.]]
* SignatureScene: For a lot of fans three things come to mind with Buffy: her macking with Series/{{Angel}}, her being a BastardGirlfriend to Spike, and her shooting a rocket launcher at her vampire ex.
* ThrowItIn: The scene where Angel dumps Buffy in his apartment was not supposed to take place there. Halfway through shooting the scene on Buffy's lawn, Sarah Michelle Gellar and David Boreanaz told Joss that the scene wasn't working, so he moved it to the bedroom. Buffy is still heard saying she saw him at "the house".
* WhatCouldHaveBeen:
** The rocket launcher was originally a tank in the script.
** [[spoiler: Jenny Calendar was originally supposed to die in ''this'' episode.]]
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* HilariousInHindsight: [[spoiler:Spike taunting Angel about how his love for Buffy turned him into her lapdog. Spike eventually falls for Buffy himself, only to end up the "whipping boy" for all her unresolved Angel angst.]]
* IdealizedSex: In Buffy's dream, showing how she has idealised their relationship.
* TheOtherDarrin: In the flashback scenes of Buffy and Angel making love, the heavy breathing wasn't voiced by David and Sarah, but rather by series creator Joss Whedon and supervising sound editor Cindy Rabideau. (Apparently Joss was too embarrassed to ask the stars to record it.)
* RewatchBonus: Uncle Enyos belief that the return of Angelus was 'arranged' is a lot more plausible knowing he's a tool of the PowersThatBe, both good and evil, in the [[Series/{{Angel}} spin-off series]], and [[spoiler:Twilight in the comic series.]]
* SignatureScene: For a lot of fans three things come to mind with Buffy: her macking with Series/{{Angel}}, her being a BastardGirlfriend to Spike, and her shooting a rocket launcher at her vampire ex.
* ThrowItIn: The scene where Angel dumps Buffy in his apartment was not supposed to take place there. Halfway through shooting the scene on Buffy's lawn, Sarah Michelle Gellar and David Boreanaz told Joss that the scene wasn't working, so he moved it to the bedroom. Buffy is still heard saying she saw him at "the house".
* WhatCouldHaveBeen:
** The rocket launcher was originally a tank in the script.
** [[spoiler: Jenny Calendar was originally supposed to die in ''this'' episode.]]
* IdealizedSex: In Buffy's dream, showing how she has idealised their relationship.
* TheOtherDarrin: In the flashback scenes of Buffy and Angel making love, the heavy breathing wasn't voiced by David and Sarah, but rather by series creator Joss Whedon and supervising sound editor Cindy Rabideau. (Apparently Joss was too embarrassed to ask the stars to record it.)
* RewatchBonus: Uncle Enyos belief that the return of Angelus was 'arranged' is a lot more plausible knowing he's a tool of the PowersThatBe, both good and evil, in the [[Series/{{Angel}} spin-off series]], and [[spoiler:Twilight in the comic series.]]
* SignatureScene: For a lot of fans three things come to mind with Buffy: her macking with Series/{{Angel}}, her being a BastardGirlfriend to Spike, and her shooting a rocket launcher at her vampire ex.
* ThrowItIn: The scene where Angel dumps Buffy in his apartment was not supposed to take place there. Halfway through shooting the scene on Buffy's lawn, Sarah Michelle Gellar and David Boreanaz told Joss that the scene wasn't working, so he moved it to the bedroom. Buffy is still heard saying she saw him at "the house".
* WhatCouldHaveBeen:
** The rocket launcher was originally a tank in the script.
** [[spoiler: Jenny Calendar was originally supposed to die in ''this'' episode.
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* FridgeLogic: So, no part of a explosive rocket or bazooka is manufactured through "heating and hammering"? TelevisionWithoutPity takes their word for it.
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* FridgeLogic: So, no part of a explosive rocket or bazooka is manufactured through "heating and hammering"? TelevisionWithoutPity Website/TelevisionWithoutPity takes their word for it.
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* FridgeBrilliance: More than a few fans and critics have questioned why gypsies would create a spell with a "perfect happiness" loophole. But it's never said that they did this deliberately, it could [[EquivalentExchange simply be the way magic works]]. When you've got spells lasting for eternity or that affect people over generations, the Universe or the PowersThatBe would need a safety valve or the whole world would be full of cursed people. Alternatively, you could take it as the Kalderash being so obsessed with vengance that, instead of allowing the cursed Angel to have any respite from his torment, they considered it better to end the curse if he did achieve happiness than allow him to continue living with some form of comfort.
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* FridgeBrilliance: More than a few fans and critics have [[IdiotPlot questioned why gypsies would create a spell with a "perfect happiness" loophole.loophole]]. But it's never said that they did this deliberately, it could [[EquivalentExchange simply be the way magic works]]. When you've got spells lasting for eternity or that affect people over generations, the Universe or the PowersThatBe would need a safety valve or the whole world would be full of cursed people. Alternatively, you could take it as the Kalderash being so obsessed with vengance that, instead of allowing the cursed Angel to have any respite from his torment, they considered it better to end the curse if he did achieve happiness than allow him to continue living with some form of comfort.
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* FridgeBrilliance: More than a few fans and critics have questioned why gypsies would create a spell with a "perfect happiness" loophole. But it's never said that they did this deliberately, it could [[EquivalentExchange simply be the way magic works]]. When you've got spells lasting for eternity or that affect people over generations, the Universe or the PowersThatBe would need a safety valve or the whole world would be full of cursed people. Alternatively, you could take it as the Kalderash being so obsessed with vengance that, instead of allowing the cursed Angel to have any respite from his torment, they considered it better to end the curse if he did achieve happiness than allow him to continue living with some form of comfort.
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* IdiotPlot: More than a few fans and critics have questioned why gypsies would create a spell with a "perfect happiness" loophole. But it's never said that they did this deliberately, it could [[EquivalentExchange simply be the way magic works]]. When you've got spells lasting for eternity or that affect people over generations, the Universe or the PowersThatBe would need a safety valve or the whole world would be full of cursed people. Alternatively, you could take it as the Kalderash being so obsessed with vengance that, instead of allowing the cursed Angel to have any respite from his torment, they considered it better to end the curse if he did achieve happiness than allow him to continue living with some form of comfort.
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** Jenny Calendar was originally supposed to die in ''this'' episode.
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* DeletedScene: In the original script, there is an entire scene of Angelus bantering with Jenny's uncle which was cut. The actors credited as "Teacher" and "Student" do not actually appear in the episode. The scene they were appeared, which revolved around Buffy running out of class after a series of dark thoughts about having sex the night before, was cut due to time.
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* IdiotPlot: More than a few fans and critics have questioned why gypsies would create a spell with a "perfect happiness" loophole. But it's never said that they did this deliberately, it could [[EquivalentExchange simply be the way magic works]]. When you've got spells lasting for eternity or that affect people over generations, the Universe or the PowersThatBe would need a safety valve or the whole world would be full of cursed people.
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* IdiotPlot: More than a few fans and critics have questioned why gypsies would create a spell with a "perfect happiness" loophole. But it's never said that they did this deliberately, it could [[EquivalentExchange simply be the way magic works]]. When you've got spells lasting for eternity or that affect people over generations, the Universe or the PowersThatBe would need a safety valve or the whole world would be full of cursed people. Alternatively, you could take it as the Kalderash being so obsessed with vengance that, instead of allowing the cursed Angel to have any respite from his torment, they considered it better to end the curse if he did achieve happiness than allow him to continue living with some form of comfort.
* TheOtherDarrin: In the flashback scenes of Buffy and Angel making love, the heavy breathing wasn't voiced by David and Sarah, but rather by series creator Joss Whedon and supervising sound editor Cindy Rabideau. (Apparently Joss was too embarrassed to ask the stars to record it.)
* TheOtherDarrin: In the flashback scenes of Buffy and Angel making love, the heavy breathing wasn't voiced by David and Sarah, but rather by series creator Joss Whedon and supervising sound editor Cindy Rabideau. (Apparently Joss was too embarrassed to ask the stars to record it.)
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* ThrowItIn: The scene where Angel dumps Buffy in his apartment was not supposed to take place there. Halfway through shooting the scene on Buffy's lawn, Sarah Michelle Gellar and David Boreanaz told Joss that the scene wasn't working, so he moved it to the bedroom. Buffy is still heard saying she saw him at "the house".
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* HollywoodSex: In Buffy's dream, showing how she has idealised their relationship.
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* WhatCouldHaveBeen:
** The rocket launcher was originally a tank in the script.
** Jenny Calendar was originally supposed to die in ''this'' episode.
** The rocket launcher was originally a tank in the script.
** Jenny Calendar was originally supposed to die in ''this'' episode.
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* RewatchBonus: Uncle Enyos belief that Angelus was fated to return is a lot more plausible knowing he's a tool of the PowersThatBe, both good and evil, in the spin-off series, and [[spoiler:Twilight in the comic series.]]
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* RewatchBonus: Uncle Enyos belief that the return of Angelus was fated to return 'arranged' is a lot more plausible knowing he's a tool of the PowersThatBe, both good and evil, in the [[Series/{{Angel}} spin-off series, series]], and [[spoiler:Twilight in the comic series.]]
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* RewatchBonus: Uncle Enyos belief that Angelus was fated to return is a lot more plausible knowing he's a tool of the PowersThatBe, both good and evil, in the spin-off series, and [[spoiler:Twilight in the comic series.]]
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** I don't think it's the "forged" that's the important part--it's more like "no weapon YET forged can kill him." That's why Buffy says "that was then--this is now." Times have changed.
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** I don't think it's the "forged" that's the important part--it's more like "no weapon YET forged can kill him." That's why Buffy says "that was then--this is now." Times have changed.changed.
* HilariousInHindsight: [[spoiler:Spike taunting Angel about how his love for Buffy turned him into her lapdog. Spike eventually falls for Buffy himself, only to end up the "whipping boy" for all her unresolved Angel angst.]]
* IdiotPlot: More than a few fans and critics have questioned why gypsies would create a spell with a "perfect happiness" loophole. But it's never said that they did this deliberately, it could [[EquivalentExchange simply be the way magic works]]. When you've got spells lasting for eternity or that affect people over generations, the Universe or the PowersThatBe would need a safety valve or the whole world would be full of cursed people.
* SignatureScene: For a lot of fans three things come to mind with Buffy: her macking with Series/{{Angel}}, her being a BastardGirlfriend to Spike, and her shooting a rocket launcher at her vampire ex.
* HilariousInHindsight: [[spoiler:Spike taunting Angel about how his love for Buffy turned him into her lapdog. Spike eventually falls for Buffy himself, only to end up the "whipping boy" for all her unresolved Angel angst.]]
* IdiotPlot: More than a few fans and critics have questioned why gypsies would create a spell with a "perfect happiness" loophole. But it's never said that they did this deliberately, it could [[EquivalentExchange simply be the way magic works]]. When you've got spells lasting for eternity or that affect people over generations, the Universe or the PowersThatBe would need a safety valve or the whole world would be full of cursed people.
* SignatureScene: For a lot of fans three things come to mind with Buffy: her macking with Series/{{Angel}}, her being a BastardGirlfriend to Spike, and her shooting a rocket launcher at her vampire ex.
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* FridgeLogic: So, no part of a explosive rocket or bazooka is manufactured through "heating and hammering"? TelevisionWithoutPity takes their word for it.
** I don't think it's the "forged" that's the important part--it's more like "no weapon YET forged can kill him." That's why Buffy says "that was then--this is now." Times have changed.
** I don't think it's the "forged" that's the important part--it's more like "no weapon YET forged can kill him." That's why Buffy says "that was then--this is now." Times have changed.