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** America and England don't have a lovey-dovey relationship in the fic either. It's more that the portrayal of England and Japan's relationship comes off as so [=OoC=] and reliant on RonTheDeathEater to some readers (Particularly the part about Japan caring about England only as a pawn to further his personal agenda of world domination), they wonder if England and Japan were characterized like this mainly to show how horrible and unhealthy England/Japan would be. While deliberate drastic alterations of characters like this aren’t terribly uncommon in Hetalia fanfic, especially darker ones, well, the lack of even historical justification and the fic's premise being essentially "the world would have gone to hell if England and Japan had maintained their alliance" doesn't exactly help perceptions of that kind.

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** America and England don't have a lovey-dovey relationship in the fic either. It's more that the portrayal of England and Japan's relationship comes off as so [=OoC=] and reliant on RonTheDeathEater to some readers (Particularly the part about Japan caring about England only as a pawn to further his personal agenda of world domination), they wonder if England and Japan were characterized like this mainly to show how horrible and unhealthy England/Japan would be. While deliberate drastic alterations of characters like this aren’t terribly uncommon in Hetalia fanfic, especially darker ones, well, the lack of even historical justification and the fic's premise being essentially "the world would have gone to hell if England and Japan had maintained their alliance" doesn't exactly help perceptions of that kind.



* RonTheDeathEater: As expected for a fic that tries (emphasis on tries) to be historically accurate.
** England: {{Tsundere}} former empire (canon) --> mentally-unstable MadOracle who supports the Axis and makes the world total shit because of it (AHEW verse)
** Japan: (PlayedForLaughs) YamatoNadeshiko who is good friends with England (canon) --> ManipulativeBastard who dooms the world to chaos for keeping the Anglo-Japanese Alliance and only cares about England for his own benefit (AHEW verse)
** North Italy: TheDitz {{Keet}} (canon) --> PsychopathicManchild who [[spoiler: murders Greece]] and treats his ''fratello'' South Italy like shit [[spoiler: and makes him run away from home]] (AHEW verse)
** Prussia. HotBlooded ButtMonkey (canon) --> monstruous CardCarryingVillain who rapes female nations for either his own benefit or just for the lulz and tortures Austria endlessly (AHEW verse)
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* TooBleakStoppedCaring: The 'verse tends to slide into this. When most (if not all) characters are either unlikable {{Jerkass}}s or brutally tortured, readers may not be sure who to root for at all. It doesn’t help that historical facts are themselves broken to suit the work’s dark and cynical tone, making it come across as needlessly cruel for no real reason.

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* TooBleakStoppedCaring: The 'verse tends to slide into this. When most (if not all) characters are either unlikable {{Jerkass}}s or brutally tortured, readers may not be sure who to root for at all. It doesn’t help that historical facts are themselves often broken to suit the work’s dark and cynical tone, making it come across as needlessly cruel for no real reason.
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* TooBleakStoppedCaring: The 'verse tends to slide into this. When most (if not all) characters are either unlikable {{Jerkass}}s or brutally tortured, readers may not be sure who to root for at all. While history is indeed often dark and cynical, even ''then'' it can come across as needlessly cruel for no real reason, not helping that historical facts themselves are broken to suit the bleak tone.

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* TooBleakStoppedCaring: The 'verse tends to slide into this. When most (if not all) characters are either unlikable {{Jerkass}}s or brutally tortured, readers may not be sure who to root for at all. While history is indeed often It doesn’t help that historical facts are themselves broken to suit the work’s dark and cynical, even ''then'' cynical tone, making it can come across as needlessly cruel for no real reason, not helping that historical facts themselves are broken to suit the bleak tone.
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** The characterization of England as the insane one and Japan as the ManipulativeBastard. Historically, England would be the more experienced in international [=4D=] chess out of the two, and Imperial Japan OTL was infamous for being rather fanatical and impractical in their fanaticism, their political landscape probably best described as modern North Korea Lite with a dash of Nazism.

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** The characterization of England as the insane one and Japan as the ManipulativeBastard. Historically, England would be the more experienced in international [=4D=] chess out of the two, and Imperial Japan OTL was infamous for being rather fanatical and impractical in their fanaticism, their political landscape probably best described as modern North Korea Lite with a dash of Nazism.fanaticism.
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* FridgeLogic: Out of all the copious KickTheDog the Nazis are infamous for, rape isn’t one of them; in fact, the Soviets and Japanese are more infamous for this. Though this did in fact happen (even if the victims were mostly Slavs and other “Untermensch”, all conquered races were victimized to an extent), it’s still not the one they’re most known for. If they wanted to make Prussia irredeemable, he could have stuck the girls in a gas chamber, flogged them constantly, had them be experimented on, worked them to exhaustion, or put them in an enclosed space to be burned alive, but [[RapeAsDrama for whatever reason]] the authors chose to make Prussia a rapist. Even if one accepts that Prussia is an almost comically irredeemable villain in this AU, and the many holes is historical research, [[UnfortunateImplications one really has to question the decision to make him a rapist specifically, when rape is one of the most sensitive, difficult crimes any author can write about]].

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* FridgeLogic: Out of all the copious KickTheDog the Nazis are infamous for, rape isn’t one of them; in fact, the Soviets and Japanese are more infamous for this. Though this did in fact happen (even if the victims were mostly Slavs and other “Untermensch”, all conquered races were victimized to an extent), it’s still not the one they’re most known for. If they wanted to make Prussia irredeemable, he could have stuck the girls in a gas chamber, flogged them constantly, had them be experimented on, worked them to exhaustion, or put them in an enclosed space to be burned alive, but [[RapeAsDrama for whatever reason]] the authors chose to make Prussia a rapist. Even if one accepts that Prussia is an almost comically irredeemable villain in this AU, and the many holes is historical research, [[UnfortunateImplications one really has to question the decision to make him a rapist specifically, when rape is one of the most sensitive, difficult crimes any author can write about]].about.

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** America and England don't have a lovey-dovey relationship in the fic either. It's more that the portrayal of England and Japan's relationship comes off as so OoC and reliant on RonTheDeathEater to some readers (Particularly the part about Japan caring about England only as a pawn to further his personal agenda of world domination), they wonder if England and Japan were characterized like this mainly to show how horrible and unhealthy England/Japan would be. While deliberate drastic alterations of characters like this aren’t terribly uncommon in Hetalia fanfic, especially darker ones, well, the lack of even historical justification and the fic's premise being essentially "the world would have gone to hell if England and Japan had maintained their alliance" doesn't exactly help perceptions of that kind.

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** America and England don't have a lovey-dovey relationship in the fic either. It's more that the portrayal of England and Japan's relationship comes off as so OoC [=OoC=] and reliant on RonTheDeathEater to some readers (Particularly the part about Japan caring about England only as a pawn to further his personal agenda of world domination), they wonder if England and Japan were characterized like this mainly to show how horrible and unhealthy England/Japan would be. While deliberate drastic alterations of characters like this aren’t terribly uncommon in Hetalia fanfic, especially darker ones, well, the lack of even historical justification and the fic's premise being essentially "the world would have gone to hell if England and Japan had maintained their alliance" doesn't exactly help perceptions of that kind.



* UnfortunateImplications: A good part of the fandom does '''not''' like how the authors's personal opinions keep seeping into the characterization and the plot (re: Prussia the monster vs. Austria the DesignatedVictim vs. Hungary the {{Chickification}} victim whom Prussia tortures and rapes to show off his power to Austria), as well as their rather... arrogant behavior during certain wanks. [[http://community.livejournal.com/fandomsecrets/536935.html?thread=338009959#t338009959 They]] [[http://community.livejournal.com/fandomsecrets/536935.html?thread=337991527#t337991527 have]] [[http://fail-fandomanon.livejournal.com/2897.html?thread=12421969#t12421969 not]] [[http://aphanon-meme.livejournal.com/39483.html?thread=380117307#t380117307 failed]] [[http://community.livejournal.com/hetalia_wank/9311.html#cutid1 to]] [[http://www.journalfen.net/community/wank_report/888.html?thread=5261432#t5261432 point]] [[http://fail-fandomanon.livejournal.com/32016.html?thread=145269264#t145269264 that]] [[http://community.livejournal.com/fail_fandomanon/5037.html?thread=20812461#t20812461 out]], [[http://fail-fandomanon.livejournal.com/14576.html?thread=60538096#t60538096 RE]] [[http://fail-fandomanon.livejournal.com/25729.html?thread=112883329#t112883329 PETE]] [[http://fandomsecrets.livejournal.com/878430.html?thread=541022814#t541022814 AD]][[http://fail-fandomanon.livejournal.com/6734.html?thread=29262414#t29262414 LY]]. [[http://fail-fandomanon.livejournal.com/20841.html?thread=92675689#t92675689 *ph]] [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/15036.html?thread=58839228&style=light#cmt58839228 ew*]]. [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/47129.html?thread=220310553&style=light That's all.]]
** Hungary and Liechtenstein. The two more important female nations in the AHEW universe. They BOTH end up brutally raped by Prussia, who does this to show off his power over everyone, and then [[spoiler: the two decide to use '''sex''' as weapon against him.]]. Needless to say, this is one of the biggest points of contention among fans and anti-fans.
** In addition to having Hungary chickified to have her under the thumb of Nazi Prussia, it's really bad to see that one of Prussia's specific reasons to have her tortured and raped is to break Austria. Yes, '''a woman's rape and torture is being used as a plot device destined to break a man's mind and heart'''.
%%** The whole "Prussia is [[ThoseWackyNazis the Naziest Nazi that has ever Nazied]] and horribly (insert: abuses/rapes/manipulates/tortures/kills/etc.) whoever is in his way" deal. While UsefulNotes/NaziGermany crimes should '''never''' be ignored, it's '''''very''''' creepy to see a nation that was Nazi-dominated '''after''' Germany fell to National-Socialism, that actually ''resisted'' the Nazi takeover and was the home to more than one resistance movement (eg. [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/July_20_plot Operation Valkyrie]])... getting reduced to a blood-thirsty, rape-happy, batshit insane Nazi caricature. ''In a fic that is supposed to be "closer to history" and "able to go where canon doesn't dare to".''
** Well-resumed in [[http://fail-fandomanon.livejournal.com/32016.html?thread=145269264#t145269264 the following quotes]]:
-->'''Anon commenter 1''': "I especially "love" how the authors and their whiteknights were all like "we're fixing the inaccuracy and problematicness of hetalia canon!" when no, they weren't. They were just making it innacurate and problematic in a way that was over-the-top grimdark and also really rapey. Noooo thanks."
-->'''Anon commenter 2''': "Problematizing a Western-centric view of world history by... making the Western nations more fucked up, China more victimized, and continuing to ignore the rest of the world? ehhh no."
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* UnfortunateImplications: A good part of the fandom does '''not''' like how the authors's personal opinions keep seeping into the characterization and the plot (re: Prussia the monster vs. Austria the DesignatedVictim vs. Hungary the {{Chickification}} victim whom Prussia tortures and rapes to show off his power to Austria), as well as their rather... arrogant behavior during certain wanks. [[http://community.livejournal.com/fandomsecrets/536935.html?thread=338009959#t338009959 They]] [[http://community.livejournal.com/fandomsecrets/536935.html?thread=337991527#t337991527 have]] [[http://fail-fandomanon.livejournal.com/2897.html?thread=12421969#t12421969 not]] [[http://aphanon-meme.livejournal.com/39483.html?thread=380117307#t380117307 failed]] [[http://community.livejournal.com/hetalia_wank/9311.html#cutid1 to]] [[http://www.journalfen.net/community/wank_report/888.html?thread=5261432#t5261432 point]] [[http://fail-fandomanon.livejournal.com/32016.html?thread=145269264#t145269264 that]] [[http://community.livejournal.com/fail_fandomanon/5037.html?thread=20812461#t20812461 out]], [[http://fail-fandomanon.livejournal.com/14576.html?thread=60538096#t60538096 RE]] [[http://fail-fandomanon.livejournal.com/25729.html?thread=112883329#t112883329 PETE]] [[http://fandomsecrets.livejournal.com/878430.html?thread=541022814#t541022814 AD]][[http://fail-fandomanon.livejournal.com/6734.html?thread=29262414#t29262414 LY]]. [[http://fail-fandomanon.livejournal.com/20841.html?thread=92675689#t92675689 *ph]] [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/15036.html?thread=58839228&style=light#cmt58839228 ew*]]. [[http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/47129.html?thread=220310553&style=light That's all.]]
** Hungary and Liechtenstein. The two more important female nations in the AHEW universe. They BOTH end up brutally raped by Prussia, who does this to show off his power over everyone, and then [[spoiler: the two decide to use '''sex''' as weapon against him.]]. Needless to say, this is one of the biggest points of contention among fans and anti-fans.
** In addition to having Hungary chickified to have her under the thumb of Nazi Prussia, it's really bad to see that one of Prussia's specific reasons to have her tortured and raped is to break Austria. Yes, '''a woman's rape and torture is being used as a plot device destined to break a man's mind and heart'''.
%%** The whole "Prussia is [[ThoseWackyNazis the Naziest Nazi that has ever Nazied]] and horribly (insert: abuses/rapes/manipulates/tortures/kills/etc.) whoever is in his way" deal. While UsefulNotes/NaziGermany crimes should '''never''' be ignored, it's '''''very''''' creepy to see a nation that was Nazi-dominated '''after''' Germany fell to National-Socialism, that actually ''resisted'' the Nazi takeover and was the home to more than one resistance movement (eg. [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/July_20_plot Operation Valkyrie]])... getting reduced to a blood-thirsty, rape-happy, batshit insane Nazi caricature. ''In a fic that is supposed to be "closer to history" and "able to go where canon doesn't dare to".''
** Well-resumed in [[http://fail-fandomanon.livejournal.com/32016.html?thread=145269264#t145269264 the following quotes]]:
-->'''Anon commenter 1''': "I especially "love" how the authors and their whiteknights were all like "we're fixing the inaccuracy and problematicness of hetalia canon!" when no, they weren't. They were just making it innacurate and problematic in a way that was over-the-top grimdark and also really rapey. Noooo thanks."
-->'''Anon commenter 2''': "Problematizing a Western-centric view of world history by... making the Western nations more fucked up, China more victimized, and continuing to ignore the rest of the world? ehhh no."
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* FridgeLogic: Out of all the copious KickTheDog the Nazis are infamous for, rape isn’t one of them; in fact, the Soviets and Japanese are more infamous for this. Though this did in fact happen (even if the victims were mostly Slavs and other “Untermensch”, all conquered non-Germanic races were victimized to an extent), it’s still not the one they’re most known for. If they wanted to make Prussia irredeemable, he could have stuck the girls in a gas chamber, flogged them constantly, had them be experimented on, worked them to exhaustion, or put them in an enclosed space to be burned alive, but [[RapeAsDrama for whatever reason]] the authors chose to make Prussia a rapist. Even if one accepts that Prussia is an almost comically irredeemable villain in this AU, and the many holes is historical research, [[UnfortunateImplications one really has to question the decision to make him a rapist specifically, when rape is one of the most sensitive, difficult crimes any author can write about]].
** Also the main victims of the Nazi regime were three groups; Jews, Slavs, and Roma. Hungary and Liechtenstein are none of these, and the latter is in fact ethnically German. There are even two female characters, Belarus and Ukraine, who are Slavic, so if a victim needed to be female one of them could have been used.

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* FridgeLogic: Out of all the copious KickTheDog the Nazis are infamous for, rape isn’t one of them; in fact, the Soviets and Japanese are more infamous for this. Though this did in fact happen (even if the victims were mostly Slavs and other “Untermensch”, all conquered non-Germanic races were victimized to an extent), it’s still not the one they’re most known for. If they wanted to make Prussia irredeemable, he could have stuck the girls in a gas chamber, flogged them constantly, had them be experimented on, worked them to exhaustion, or put them in an enclosed space to be burned alive, but [[RapeAsDrama for whatever reason]] the authors chose to make Prussia a rapist. Even if one accepts that Prussia is an almost comically irredeemable villain in this AU, and the many holes is historical research, [[UnfortunateImplications one really has to question the decision to make him a rapist specifically, when rape is one of the most sensitive, difficult crimes any author can write about]].
** Also the main victims of the Nazi regime in terms of ethnicity were three groups; Jews, Slavs, and Roma. Hungary and Liechtenstein are none of these, and the latter is in fact ethnically German. There are even two female characters, Belarus and Ukraine, who are Slavic, so if a victim needed to be female one of them could have been used.

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** Yantalia? Yanderitalia? Kowaitalia? I don't know.

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** Yantalia? Yanderitalia? Kowaitalia? I don't know.Kowaitalia?



* FridgeLogic: Out of all the copious KickTheDog the Nazis are infamous for, rape isn’t one of them (in fact, the Soviets and Japanese are more infamous for this). If they wanted to make Prussia irredeemable, he could have stuck the girls in a gas chamber, flogged them constantly, had them be experimented on, worked them to exhaustion, put them in an enclosed space to be burned alive, but [[RapeAsDrama for whatever reason]] the authors chose to make Prussia a rapist. Even if one accepts that Prussia is an almost comically irredeemable villain in this AU, and the many holes is historical research, one really has to question the decision to make him a rapist specifically.

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* FridgeLogic: Out of all the copious KickTheDog the Nazis are infamous for, rape isn’t one of them (in them; in fact, the Soviets and Japanese are more infamous for this). this. Though this did in fact happen (even if the victims were mostly Slavs and other “Untermensch”, all conquered non-Germanic races were victimized to an extent), it’s still not the one they’re most known for. If they wanted to make Prussia irredeemable, he could have stuck the girls in a gas chamber, flogged them constantly, had them be experimented on, worked them to exhaustion, or put them in an enclosed space to be burned alive, but [[RapeAsDrama for whatever reason]] the authors chose to make Prussia a rapist. Even if one accepts that Prussia is an almost comically irredeemable villain in this AU, and the many holes is historical research, [[UnfortunateImplications one really has to question the decision to make him a rapist specifically.specifically, when rape is one of the most sensitive, difficult crimes any author can write about]].
** Also the main victims of the Nazi regime were three groups; Jews, Slavs, and Roma. Hungary and Liechtenstein are none of these, and the latter is in fact ethnically German. There are even two female characters, Belarus and Ukraine, who are Slavic, so if a victim needed to be female one of them could have been used.
** The characterization of England as the insane one and Japan as the ManipulativeBastard. Historically, England would be the more experienced in international [=4D=] chess out of the two, and Imperial Japan OTL was infamous for being rather fanatical and impractical in their fanaticism, their political landscape probably best described as modern North Korea Lite with a dash of Nazism.



%%*** In addition to having Hungary chickified to have her under the thumb of Nazi Prussia, it's really bad to see that one of Prussia's specific reasons to have her tortured and raped is to break Austria. Yes, '''a woman's rape and torture is being used as a plot device destined to break a man's mind and heart'''. Sheeesh.

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%%*** ** In addition to having Hungary chickified to have her under the thumb of Nazi Prussia, it's really bad to see that one of Prussia's specific reasons to have her tortured and raped is to break Austria. Yes, '''a woman's rape and torture is being used as a plot device destined to break a man's mind and heart'''. Sheeesh.
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* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: The 'verse tends to slide into this. When most (if not all) characters are either unlikable {{Jerkass}}s or brutally tortured, readers may not be sure who to root for at all. While history is indeed often dark and cynical, even ''then'' it can come across as needlessly cruel for no real reason, not helping that historical facts themselves are broken to suit the bleak tone.


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* TooBleakStoppedCaring: The 'verse tends to slide into this. When most (if not all) characters are either unlikable {{Jerkass}}s or brutally tortured, readers may not be sure who to root for at all. While history is indeed often dark and cynical, even ''then'' it can come across as needlessly cruel for no real reason, not helping that historical facts themselves are broken to suit the bleak tone.
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* InternetBackdraft: This is one of the best known APH fics, so it's to be expected. There's '''''NO''''' middle ground on this.
** If you don't like it? Either you don't appreciate ~TrueArt~ (which is always [[TrueArtIsAngsty angsty and contrived]] and what not), you're a butthurt Prussia or England/Japan fangirl who cannot stand their less-than-stellar portrayals, or YoureJustJealous of Mith and/or Puel's "online stardom" so you want to "slander" them.
** If you like it? You're a ProfessionalButtKisser who want to look good by liking their stuff, a pompous JerkAss who looks down on the average fandom and think you're superior because of your tastes, or you MUST be one of these fans that relentlessly bully those who dislike it.
** The authors's ''very'' polemic participations on other Hetalia wanks [[note]](re: having them create the tv tropes page for their own fics - which they ''have'' admitted in public-; Mith's infamous declarations about fantasizing with the bloody murder of the admittedly idiotic Anime Boston 2010 (that she dubbed "Nazi-Con") cosplayers who did Nazi salutes while dressed as Germany; Puel referring to herself as "Fandom Educator" despite the dubious historicity of her fic, then calling the already polemic dub and its fans "racist" and having to backpedal after being harshly called out; and the three '''monitoring''' what other people say about the fic online to berate/harrass said critics and tell them not to do it in any way they don't want these people to)[[/note]] don't exactly help their cases. At least Puella ''has'' admitted that some of their most notorious actions weren't stellar, [[NeverLiveItDown but if someone throws shit in such a notorious way, people will never forget it.]].
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* MagnificentBastard: Depending on what order you read the stories in, Prussia ''could'' be this instead of a monster.



** Prussia could have been a MagnificentBastard, but he crossed it in ''The Seventh Door'', when he [[spoiler: brings Hungary to the cell occupied by an already-captured Austria, and brutally tortures and rapes her while [[ForcedToWatch forcing a helpless Austria to watch]], and twisting the knife even more by telling Austria that "it's for his benefit".]]

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** Prussia could have been a MagnificentBastard, but he crossed it in ''The Seventh Door'', when he [[spoiler: brings Hungary to the cell occupied by an already-captured Austria, and brutally tortures and rapes her while [[ForcedToWatch forcing a helpless Austria to watch]], and twisting the knife even more by telling Austria that "it's for his benefit".]]
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%%* HypeBacklash: Not helped by the trope mentioned below.

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