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[[WMG: Innocents who were sent to Hell got "tortured" in a situation akin to Limbo from Dante's TheDivineComedy.]]
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[[WMG: Innocents who were sent to Hell got "tortured" in a situation akin to Limbo from Dante's TheDivineComedy.''Literature/TheDivineComedy''.]]
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* Michiru will become Heaven girl by the end of season 4.
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* Michiru will become Heaven girl by the end of season 4.4.
[[WMG: Innocents who were sent to Hell got "tortured" in a situation akin to Limbo from Dante's TheDivineComedy.]]
They might not be physically tortured by whatever Hell has in storage, but the premise of being all alone in an EldritchLocation for an eternity, separated from everything they loved back in the world of the living, should be more than enough of a psychological torture. Their torture might be more "mundane" compared to legitimate sinners, but it's still something they don't deserve.
[[WMG: Innocents who were sent to Hell got "tortured" in a situation akin to Limbo from Dante's TheDivineComedy.]]
They might not be physically tortured by whatever Hell has in storage, but the premise of being all alone in an EldritchLocation for an eternity, separated from everything they loved back in the world of the living, should be more than enough of a psychological torture. Their torture might be more "mundane" compared to legitimate sinners, but it's still something they don't deserve.
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He built it because he felt guilty for the role he had in [[spoiler:her death]], so once she'd come to terms with it, she saw no more reason for the shrine -- a manifestation of Sentarou's guilt -- to exist anymore, so [[spoiler:she destroyed it]].
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He built it because he felt guilty for the role he had in [[spoiler:her death]], her death, so once she'd come to terms with it, she saw no more reason for the shrine -- a manifestation of Sentarou's guilt -- to exist anymore, so [[spoiler:she she destroyed it]].it.
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* Somewhat jossed. [[spoiler: Yuzuki was/is dead to begin with and she was used as a host for Enma Ai until she can return during the Ghost Festival when the Gates of the Afterlife is open so that the spirits can roam free for food and drinks.]]
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* Somewhat jossed. [[spoiler: Yuzuki was/is dead to begin with and she was used as a host for Enma Ai until she can return during the Ghost Festival when the Gates of the Afterlife is open so that the spirits can roam free for food and drinks.]]
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* Jossed. It can even be a very minor thing like one [[spoiler: certain episode when a girl used the Straw Doll out of desperation before even hearing what Enma Ai had to say to her. The reason she tried and failed is simply because someone else already beat her to it as in pulling the thread off first which then made the contract invalid or pointless for the client's daughter. However, Ai does not accept contracts if it involves justice as shown in one episode when a teenage boy who voiced his reasons and Ai lectured him that her service is for vengeance, not justice and left. As a result, he went off to kill the antagonists of that episode, getting a spot in Jigoku his way as stated by Ren.]]
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* Jossed. It can even be a very minor thing like one [[spoiler: certain episode when a girl used the Straw Doll out of desperation before even hearing what Enma Ai had to say to her. The reason she tried and failed is simply because someone else already beat her to it as in pulling the thread off first which then made the contract invalid or pointless for the client's daughter. However, Ai does not accept contracts if it involves justice as shown in one episode when a teenage boy who voiced his reasons and Ai lectured him that her service is for vengeance, not justice and left. As a result, he went off to kill the antagonists of that episode, getting a spot in Jigoku his way as stated by Ren.]]
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... in the sense that its presence might or might not compel the contact/victim to pull the string eventually. Most likely, the presence of the doll simply remains a nagging fact in the back of the contact/victim's mind, like a thought they do their best to suppress but can't help but return to over and over again. Notice how several of the victims took out the dolls several times before pulling the string. Is the contact/victim is strong enough and by miracle manage to talk things over with the other party/tormentor, it can be possibly avoided (we HAVE came close to avoid having someone sent to Hell twice already in the first season- both times, the two parties talked it over. [[spoiler: They still failed because in one case, the target was tired of life and actually asked to be sent to Hell, and in the other case, the target, for some reason, TookALevelInJerkass all of a sudden and grabbed an IdiotBall, demanding the string be pulled even after the contact/victim told them that the victim will go to Hell, practically minutes after target and victim reaffirmed their friendship.]]), but it takes a lot of effort and loads of luck. Not to mention throwing the doll away doesn't work.
* They are similar but there is a difference. Unlike the Death Note, Jigoku Tsushin is only a one time use so the clients have to think very carefully. And those who use the Death Note won't go to Hell but either Nothingness [[spoiler: or as shown in the Anime, the Shinigami Realm (for Light anyway which is implied by the new Shinigami giving Ryuk an apple).]] But for those who use the Straw Doll will go to Jigoku, no exceptions.
* They are similar but there is a difference. Unlike the Death Note, Jigoku Tsushin is only a one time use so the clients have to think very carefully. And those who use the Death Note won't go to Hell but either Nothingness [[spoiler: or as shown in the Anime, the Shinigami Realm (for Light anyway which is implied by the new Shinigami giving Ryuk an apple).]] But for those who use the Straw Doll will go to Jigoku, no exceptions.
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... in the sense that its presence might or might not compel the contact/victim to pull the string eventually. Most likely, the presence of the doll simply remains a nagging fact in the back of the contact/victim's mind, like a thought they do their best to suppress but can't help but return to over and over again. Notice how several of the victims took out the dolls several times before pulling the string. Is the contact/victim is strong enough and by miracle manage to talk things over with the other party/tormentor, it can be possibly avoided (we HAVE came close to avoid having someone sent to Hell twice already in the first season- both times, the two parties talked it over. [[spoiler: They still failed because in one case, the target was tired of life and actually asked to be sent to Hell, and in the other case, the target, for some reason, TookALevelInJerkass all of a sudden and grabbed an IdiotBall, demanding the string be pulled even after the contact/victim told them that the victim will go to Hell, practically minutes after target and victim reaffirmed their friendship.]]), ), but it takes a lot of effort and loads of luck. Not to mention throwing the doll away doesn't work.
* They are similar but there is a difference. Unlike the Death Note, Jigoku Tsushin is only a one time use so the clients have to think very carefully. And those who use the Death Note won't go to Hell but either Nothingness[[spoiler: or as shown in the Anime, the Shinigami Realm (for Light anyway which is implied by the new Shinigami giving Ryuk an apple).]] apple). But for those who use the Straw Doll will go to Jigoku, no exceptions.
* They are similar but there is a difference. Unlike the Death Note, Jigoku Tsushin is only a one time use so the clients have to think very carefully. And those who use the Death Note won't go to Hell but either Nothingness
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* Season 3: Despite the fact that Ai says the "Your soul shall forever be lost in pain and suffering, never knowing Paradise" part in her speech again, there is something interesting in the speech and painting of the Opening. In the Opening of every episode, where Kikuri gives a speech, she mentions the "Infinite Hell of Avici". The painting shows various scenes of punishment, such as a man being devoured by dogs, people being beaten by Oni(s) and masses of skeletons impaled or fighting. This is clearly based on Japanese Buddhism and early Taoism. If that is the case, then Hell, despite being ''very'' long, is certainly not eternal. The Hell of Avici is indeed infinite, but it obeys the same princicples as all Buddist hells. It is one of the hells designed for a specific group of grave sinners. Most (except for the few who achieved enlightenment) will go to the Underworld when they die, and there, they will be sentenced to a length of punishment by the Enma (lord of the Underworld), in proportion and [[KarmicHell in form]] of the sin they committed. After this sentence is served, they will be allowed to reincarnate, and doing so erases all their memories.
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* Season 3: Despite the fact that Ai says the "Your soul shall forever be lost in pain and suffering, never knowing Paradise" part in her speech again, there is something interesting in the speech and painting of the Opening. In the Opening of every episode, where Kikuri gives a speech, she mentions the "Infinite Hell of Avici". The painting shows various scenes of punishment, such as a man being devoured by dogs, people being beaten by Oni(s) and masses of skeletons impaled or fighting. This is clearly based on Japanese Buddhism and early Taoism. If that is the case, then Hell, despite being ''very'' long, is certainly not eternal. The Hell of Avici is indeed infinite, but it obeys the same princicples as all Buddist hells. It is one of the hells designed for a specific group of grave sinners. Most (except for the few who achieved enlightenment) will go to the Underworld when they die, and there, they will be sentenced to a length of punishment by the Enma (lord of the Underworld), in proportion and [[KarmicHell [[IronicHell in form]] of the sin they committed. After this sentence is served, they will be allowed to reincarnate, and doing so erases all their memories.
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[[WMG: Ai [[spoiler:destroys the shrine that Sentarou built in her memory]] at the end of the first season as a sign of forgiveness.]]
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* The world turns out to be a case of GodAndSatanAreBothJerks, showing that Heaven was ''no better'' than Hell, and the Heaven Child has their own nefarious agenda.
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* The world turns out to be a case of GodAndSatanAreBothJerks, showing that Heaven was ''no better'' than Hell, and the Heaven Child has their own nefarious agenda.agenda.
* Michiru will become Heaven girl by the end of season 4.
* Michiru will become Heaven girl by the end of season 4.
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** Not confirmed but probably a Japanese equivalent.
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* The world turns out to be a case of GodAndSatanAreBothJerks, showing that Heaven was ''no better'' than Hell.Hell, and the Heaven Child has their own nefarious agenda.
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** OP here: The point of the original post was that the similarity ends with the object semi-compelling the person in possession of it to actually use it too. And at any rate, episode 16 of the third season seems to imply nothing of the sort: we do hear Hone-Onna's words/thoughts as a wara-ningyo of Ran, that episode's client, but those are not towards making her pull the string. At worst, she says Ran should stand up for herself.
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** OP here: The point of the original post was that the similarity ends with the object semi-compelling the person in possession of it to actually use it too. And at any rate, episode 16 of the third season seems to imply nothing of the sort: we do hear Hone-Onna's words/thoughts as a wara-ningyo of Ran, that episode's client, but those are not towards making her pull the string. At worst, she says Ran should stand up for herself.herself.
[[WMG: There will be an antithesis SpinOff of Hell Girl]]
In other words, a reverse. A Heaven Child or sorts. Basically to show some rare occasions on how in the midst of a CrapsackWorld where HumansAreTheRealMonsters, there are few gems that are eventually not damned to Hell and able to move to Heaven. Obviously, Heaven Child would clash against Ai the Hell Girl. From there, two things may be the result:
* Ai had a HeelFaceTurn and was able to plot her escape from Hell forever. However, this might run into the problem of turning the Heaven Child into a MarySue.
* The world turns out to be a case of GodAndSatanAreBothJerks, showing that Heaven was ''no better'' than Hell.
[[WMG: There will be an antithesis SpinOff of Hell Girl]]
In other words, a reverse. A Heaven Child or sorts. Basically to show some rare occasions on how in the midst of a CrapsackWorld where HumansAreTheRealMonsters, there are few gems that are eventually not damned to Hell and able to move to Heaven. Obviously, Heaven Child would clash against Ai the Hell Girl. From there, two things may be the result:
* Ai had a HeelFaceTurn and was able to plot her escape from Hell forever. However, this might run into the problem of turning the Heaven Child into a MarySue.
* The world turns out to be a case of GodAndSatanAreBothJerks, showing that Heaven was ''no better'' than Hell.
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* They are similar but there is a difference. Unlike the Death Note, Jigoku Tsushin is only a one time use so the clients have to think very carefully. And those who use the Death Note won't go to Hell but either Nothingness [[spoiler: or as shown in the Anime, the Shinigami Realm (for Light anyway which is implied by the new Shinigami giving Ryuk an apple).]] But for those who use the Straw Doll will go to Jigoku, no exceptions.
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* They are similar but there is a difference. Unlike the Death Note, Jigoku Tsushin is only a one time use so the clients have to think very carefully. And those who use the Death Note won't go to Hell but either Nothingness [[spoiler: or as shown in the Anime, the Shinigami Realm (for Light anyway which is implied by the new Shinigami giving Ryuk an apple).]] But for those who use the Straw Doll will go to Jigoku, no exceptions.exceptions.
** OP here: The point of the original post was that the similarity ends with the object semi-compelling the person in possession of it to actually use it too. And at any rate, episode 16 of the third season seems to imply nothing of the sort: we do hear Hone-Onna's words/thoughts as a wara-ningyo of Ran, that episode's client, but those are not towards making her pull the string. At worst, she says Ran should stand up for herself.
** OP here: The point of the original post was that the similarity ends with the object semi-compelling the person in possession of it to actually use it too. And at any rate, episode 16 of the third season seems to imply nothing of the sort: we do hear Hone-Onna's words/thoughts as a wara-ningyo of Ran, that episode's client, but those are not towards making her pull the string. At worst, she says Ran should stand up for herself.
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* They are similar but there is a difference. Unlike the Death Note, Jigoku Tsushin is only a one time use so the clients have to think very carefully. And those who use the Death Note won't go to Hell but either Nothingness or as shown in the Anime, the Shinigami Realm (for Light anyway). But for those who use the Straw Doll will go to Jigoku, no exceptions.
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* They are similar but there is a difference. Unlike the Death Note, Jigoku Tsushin is only a one time use so the clients have to think very carefully. And those who use the Death Note won't go to Hell but either Nothingness [[spoiler: or as shown in the Anime, the Shinigami Realm (for Light anyway). anyway which is implied by the new Shinigami giving Ryuk an apple).]] But for those who use the Straw Doll will go to Jigoku, no exceptions.
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* Jossed. It can even be a very minor thing like one [[spoiler: certain episode when a girl used the Straw Doll out of desperation before even hearing what Enma Ai had to say to her. The reason she tried and failed is simply because someone else already beat her to it as in pulling the thread off first which then made the contract invalid or pointless for the client's daughter. However, Ai does not accept contracts if it involves justice as shown in one episode when a teenage boy who voiced his reasons and Ai lectured him that her service is for vengeance, not justice and left. As a result, he went off to kill the antagonists of that episode, getting a spot in Jigoku his way as stated by Ren.]]
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* That would explain the change in Ai's behaviour, she is not really the soul Enma Ai but a kami or onryou created due to the belief people have in her existence. Thus she acts in a manner that they believe that the Jigoku Shoujo should act.
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* That would explain the change in Ai's behaviour, she is not really the soul Enma Ai but a kami or onryou created due to the belief people have in her existence. Thus she acts in a manner that they believe that the Jigoku Shoujo should act.
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* Somewhat jossed. [[spoiler: Yuzuki was/is dead to begin with and she was used as a host for Enma Ai until she can return during the Ghost Festival when the Gates of the Afterlife is open so that the spirits can roam free for food and drinks.]]
* Somewhat jossed. [[spoiler: Yuzuki was/is dead to begin with and she was used as a host for Enma Ai until she can return during the Ghost Festival when the Gates of the Afterlife is open so that the spirits can roam free for food and drinks.]]
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** Not confirmed but probably a Japanese equivalent.
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** Many beliefs out there has many variations of Hell. But they share the same thing: A place no one would ever want to go to due to the sorrow, anguish, torment, suffering and pain. The eternal part could refer to the feeling itself. Just imagine getting sawed with a hacksaw or boiled in extremely hot boiling cauldron of oil and there are demons preventing escape as they punish the sinners. Even just 1 minute already feels like eternity so imagine billions or trillions of years. Again, it varies. If literally eternal, that means sinners have no chance of reincarnation. If not eternal, once the bad karma are all cleansed albeit painfully, the sinners may reincarnate.
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[[WMG: The wara-ningyo/straw doll is potentially similar to Death Note...]]
... in the sense that its presence might or might not compel the contact/victim to pull the string eventually. Most likely, the presence of the doll simply remains a nagging fact in the back of the contact/victim's mind, like a thought they do their best to suppress but can't help but return to over and over again. Notice how several of the victims took out the dolls several times before pulling the string. Is the contact/victim is strong enough and by miracle manage to talk things over with the other party/tormentor, it can be possibly avoided (we HAVE came close to avoid having someone sent to Hell twice already in the first season- both times, the two parties talked it over. [[spoiler: They still failed because in one case, the target was tired of life and actually asked to be sent to Hell, and in the other case, the target, for some reason, TookALevelInJerkass all of a sudden and grabbed an IdiotBall, demanding the string be pulled even after the contact/victim told them that the victim will go to Hell, practically minutes after target and victim reaffirmed their friendship.]]), but it takes a lot of effort and loads of luck. Not to mention throwing the doll away doesn't work.
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[[WMG: Ai doesn't accept contracts if the victim is only being targeted because they express different beliefs than the client.]]
In episode 15 of season 2, the client's daughter tries and fails to target the representative of an opposing political party, and the show later implies that this is because someone already has a contract on him. But if that's the case, then it's probably the same with Japan's other politicians too, and most of them should be dead.
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So why does Ai still include that part in her speech? My guess is that it is an exaggerated warning, as sense of time would indeed become distorted in Hell, and the fact that the sinners will not remember their experience there, Hell would certainly ''seem'' eternal. Maybe the Lord of Hell ''doesn't'' actually want people to send each other to Hell, and Ai's warning is a subtle white lie to help people change their mind. If this is true, then it would certainly make the series a bit more hopeful, as some of the victims certainly don't deserve to spend eternity in Hell. Or maybe I'm overthinking it, but then again, that's what WMG is for.
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So why does Ai still include that part in her speech? My guess is that it is an exaggerated warning, as sense of time would indeed become distorted in Hell, and the fact that the sinners will not remember their experience there, Hell would certainly ''seem'' eternal. Maybe the Lord of Hell ''doesn't'' actually want people to send each other to Hell, and Ai's warning is a subtle white lie to help people change their mind. If this is true, then it would certainly make the series a bit more hopeful, as some of the victims certainly don't deserve to spend eternity in Hell. Or maybe I'm overthinking it, but then again, that's what WMG is for.for.
[[WMG:Ai's victims get one chance to save themselves.]]
When a contractor pulls the string, Ai's agents torment the victim in some appropriate manner, but it always seems to end the same way: they ask the victim if he has anything to say for himself. The victim always responds with defiance, and only then does Ai send him to Hell. So what happens if a victim ''does'' repent? We've never seen this happen, despite how horrific the torture sequences are (maybe they're magically designed to be scary but not interfere with the victim's honest response). But the agents almost always ask, so surely the answer makes a difference.
* Just one flaw here: the people who get sent to hell for no fault of their own almost never get a torment scene, implying that they're just taken and that's it.
* It's actually plausible if you take in consideration that she gives her victims one last chance to repent for the sin that caused the contractor to pull the string. If the contractor pulled the string out of pure spite, then the victim has no chance to repent for any sin because they are not guilty of anything, yet the sin is being pushed onto them by the contractor, so they'll invariably go to hell by the lord of hell's rules. What happens to the contractor in case the victim gets saved, though, is left a mystery, though it's possible that they go to hell instead of the victim.
[[WMG:Ai is ''pissed'' in ''Mitsuganae'']]
See above -- and then notice that Ai is no longer giving most of her victims that last chance. She's also been systematically destroying the life of Mikage, a totally innocent girl. In the past, innocent children have been Ai's only weak point, but it looks like her death in ''Futakomori'' has cured her of that; she's become more bitter than ever, almost sadistic. Her agents don't seem thrilled about it, either.
* She lost her faith in humanity. Perhaps she have seen everything humans are capable to do, and just wants to send ''everyone'' to Hell. I wouldn't let the poor thing get all the guilt, though; HumansAreBastards.
[[WMG: Ai's existence in ''Mitsuganae'' is maintained by those who seek her.]]
While it is true that Ai dies at the end of ''Futakomori'', she seems to continue existing through Mitsuganae onward. This Ai may not be the same being as the Ai from the first two seasons. Even after she appeared to be gone, there were still those carrying a grudge they could not release. All this built-up hatred and bitterness maintains Ai's existence as a sort of thoughtform, In short, [[ClapYourHandsIfYouBelieve She exists because they want her to.]]
* That would explain the change in Ai's behaviour, she is not really the soul Enma Ai but a kami or onryou created due to the belief people have in her existence. Thus she acts in a manner that they believe that the Jigoku Shoujo should act.
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[[WMG:Ai's victims get one chance to save themselves.]]
When a contractor pulls the string, Ai's agents torment the victim in some appropriate manner, but it always seems to end the same way: they ask the victim if he has anything to say for himself. The victim always responds with defiance, and only then does Ai send him to Hell. So what happens if a victim ''does'' repent? We've never seen this happen, despite how horrific the torture sequences are (maybe they're magically designed to be scary but not interfere with the victim's honest response). But the agents almost always ask, so surely the answer makes a difference.
* Just one flaw here: the people who get sent to hell for no fault of their own almost never get a torment scene, implying that they're just taken and that's it.
* It's actually plausible if you take in consideration that she gives her victims one last chance to repent for the sin that caused the contractor to pull the string. If the contractor pulled the string out of pure spite, then the victim has no chance to repent for any sin because they are not guilty of anything, yet the sin is being pushed onto them by the contractor, so they'll invariably go to hell by the lord of hell's rules. What happens to the contractor in case the victim gets saved, though, is left a mystery, though it's possible that they go to hell instead of the victim.
[[WMG:Ai is ''pissed'' in ''Mitsuganae'']]
See above -- and then notice that Ai is no longer giving most of her victims that last chance. She's also been systematically destroying the life of Mikage, a totally innocent girl. In the past, innocent children have been Ai's only weak point, but it looks like her death in ''Futakomori'' has cured her of that; she's become more bitter than ever, almost sadistic. Her agents don't seem thrilled about it, either.
* She lost her faith in humanity. Perhaps she have seen everything humans are capable to do, and just wants to send ''everyone'' to Hell. I wouldn't let the poor thing get all the guilt, though; HumansAreBastards.
[[WMG: Ai's existence in ''Mitsuganae'' is maintained by those who seek her.]]
While it is true that Ai dies at the end of ''Futakomori'', she seems to continue existing through Mitsuganae onward. This Ai may not be the same being as the Ai from the first two seasons. Even after she appeared to be gone, there were still those carrying a grudge they could not release. All this built-up hatred and bitterness maintains Ai's existence as a sort of thoughtform, In short, [[ClapYourHandsIfYouBelieve She exists because they want her to.]]
* That would explain the change in Ai's behaviour, she is not really the soul Enma Ai but a kami or onryou created due to the belief people have in her existence. Thus she acts in a manner that they believe that the Jigoku Shoujo should act.
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* Season 2: This is where the "Eternal Hell" idea becomes a bit more distorted. In the very first episode, the idea of "Repentance" is brought into the series when the Lord of Hell demands Ai to repent for both herself and on behalf of her parents. This would cause the idea of Hell to veer more towards Japanese Buddhism. A major point is that Ai ''no longer says'' "Your soul shall forever be lost in pain and suffering, never knowing Paradise" during her speech to her clients. And in Episode 13, it is revealed that people go to Hell depending on "proportions" of their sin (the man will go to hell for both murder ''and'' using the straw doll). These points, along with Wanyuudo's rather hopeful speech at the end of episode 6, implies that redemption is still possible even in Hell. This point is further supported in the opening of...
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* Season 2: This is where the "Eternal Hell" idea becomes a bit more distorted. In the very first episode, the idea of "Repentance" is brought into the series when the Lord of Hell demands Ai to repent for both herself and on behalf of her parents. This would cause the idea of Hell to veer more towards Japanese Buddhism. A major point is that Ai ''no longer says'' "Your soul shall forever be lost in pain and suffering, never knowing Paradise" during her speech to her clients. And in Episode 13, it is revealed that people go to Hell depending on "proportions" of their sin (the man will go to hell for both murder ''and'' using the straw doll). These points, along with Wanyuudo's rather hopeful speech at the end of episode 6, 5, implies that redemption is still possible even in Hell. This point is further supported in the opening of...
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* Season 2: This is where the "Eternal Hell" idea becomes a bit more distorted. In the very first episode, the idea of "Repentance" is brought into the series when the Lord of Hell demands Ai to repent for both herself and on behalf of her parents. This would cause the idea of Hell to veer more towards Japanese Buddhism. A major point is that Ai ''no longer says'' "Your soul shall forever be lost in pain and suffering, never knowing Paradise" during her speech to her clients. And in Episode 13, it is revealed that people go to Hell depending on "proportions" of their sin (the man will go to hell for both murder ''and'' using the straw doll). These points, along with Wanyuudo's rather hopeful speech at the end of episode 6, implies that redemption is still possible even in Hell. This point is further enhanced in the opening of...
* Season 3: Despite the fact that Ai says the "Your soul shall forever be lost in pain and suffering, never knowing Paradise" part in her speech again, there is something interesting in the speech and painting of the Opening. In the Opening of every episode, where Kikuri gives a speech, she mentions the "Infinite Hell of Avici". The painting shows various scenes of punishment, such as a man being devoured by dogs, people being beaten by Oni(s) and masses of skeletons impaled or fighting. This is clearly based on Japanese Buddhism and early Taoism. If that is the case, then Hell, despite being ''{{Understatement very}}'' long, is certainly not eternal. The Hell of Avici is indeed infinite, but it obeys the same princicples as all Buddist hells. It is one of the hells designed for a specific group of grave sinners. Most (except for the few who achieved enlightenment) will go to the Underworld when they die, and there, they will be sentenced to a length of punishment by the Enma (lord of the Underworld), in proportion and [[KarmicHell in form]] of the sin they committed. After this sentence is served, they will be allowed to reincarnate, and doing so erases all their memories.
* Season 3: Despite the fact that Ai says the "Your soul shall forever be lost in pain and suffering, never knowing Paradise" part in her speech again, there is something interesting in the speech and painting of the Opening. In the Opening of every episode, where Kikuri gives a speech, she mentions the "Infinite Hell of Avici". The painting shows various scenes of punishment, such as a man being devoured by dogs, people being beaten by Oni(s) and masses of skeletons impaled or fighting. This is clearly based on Japanese Buddhism and early Taoism. If that is the case, then Hell, despite being ''{{Understatement very}}'' long, is certainly not eternal. The Hell of Avici is indeed infinite, but it obeys the same princicples as all Buddist hells. It is one of the hells designed for a specific group of grave sinners. Most (except for the few who achieved enlightenment) will go to the Underworld when they die, and there, they will be sentenced to a length of punishment by the Enma (lord of the Underworld), in proportion and [[KarmicHell in form]] of the sin they committed. After this sentence is served, they will be allowed to reincarnate, and doing so erases all their memories.
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* Season 2: This is where the "Eternal Hell" idea becomes a bit more distorted. In the very first episode, the idea of "Repentance" is brought into the series when the Lord of Hell demands Ai to repent for both herself and on behalf of her parents. This would cause the idea of Hell to veer more towards Japanese Buddhism. A major point is that Ai ''no longer says'' "Your soul shall forever be lost in pain and suffering, never knowing Paradise" during her speech to her clients. And in Episode 13, it is revealed that people go to Hell depending on "proportions" of their sin (the man will go to hell for both murder ''and'' using the straw doll). These points, along with Wanyuudo's rather hopeful speech at the end of episode 6, implies that redemption is still possible even in Hell. This point is further enhanced supported in the opening of...
* Season 3: Despite the fact that Ai says the "Your soul shall forever be lost in pain and suffering, never knowing Paradise" part in her speech again, there is something interesting in the speech and painting of the Opening. In the Opening of every episode, where Kikuri gives a speech, she mentions the "Infinite Hell of Avici". The painting shows various scenes of punishment, such as a man being devoured by dogs, people being beaten by Oni(s) and masses of skeletons impaled or fighting. This is clearly based on Japanese Buddhism and early Taoism. If that is the case, then Hell, despite being''{{Understatement very}}'' ''very'' long, is certainly not eternal. The Hell of Avici is indeed infinite, but it obeys the same princicples as all Buddist hells. It is one of the hells designed for a specific group of grave sinners. Most (except for the few who achieved enlightenment) will go to the Underworld when they die, and there, they will be sentenced to a length of punishment by the Enma (lord of the Underworld), in proportion and [[KarmicHell in form]] of the sin they committed. After this sentence is served, they will be allowed to reincarnate, and doing so erases all their memories.
* Season 3: Despite the fact that Ai says the "Your soul shall forever be lost in pain and suffering, never knowing Paradise" part in her speech again, there is something interesting in the speech and painting of the Opening. In the Opening of every episode, where Kikuri gives a speech, she mentions the "Infinite Hell of Avici". The painting shows various scenes of punishment, such as a man being devoured by dogs, people being beaten by Oni(s) and masses of skeletons impaled or fighting. This is clearly based on Japanese Buddhism and early Taoism. If that is the case, then Hell, despite being
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[[WMG: Hell is Not Eternal]]
Maybe this is an attempt of mine to make the show seem just ''that much'' more cheerful, but the thing that has been keeping me wondering is that we are never really shown what Hell is actually like. We get a few sequences in Season 1 when Ai gives her clients a "taste of hell", but that was hardly very convincing. There are a few points in between the seasons that we can infer some information from:
* Season 1: The idea that Hell is eternal is pretty consistant through this season. The gate that Ai and her ferry passes through is clearly a Shinto gate, so for now, let's assume that the hell in Jigoku Shoujo is Yomi, the Shinto Underworld. Yomi isn't necessarily Hell (it isn't a land of pain and suffering), it just is an Underworld of Limbo where the dead goes to, and it is eternal. This would make Takamagahara the "Paradise", which in comparison, would indeed make Yomi feel like Hell.
* Season 2: This is where the "Eternal Hell" idea becomes a bit more distorted. In the very first episode, the idea of "Repentance" is brought into the series when the Lord of Hell demands Ai to repent for both herself and on behalf of her parents. This would cause the idea of Hell to veer more towards Japanese Buddhism. A major point is that Ai ''no longer says'' "Your soul shall forever be lost in pain and suffering, never knowing Paradise" during her speech to her clients. And in Episode 13, it is revealed that people go to Hell depending on "proportions" of their sin (the man will go to hell for both murder ''and'' using the straw doll). These points, along with Wanyuudo's rather hopeful speech at the end of episode 6, implies that redemption is still possible even in Hell. This point is further enhanced in the opening of...
* Season 3: Despite the fact that Ai says the "Your soul shall forever be lost in pain and suffering, never knowing Paradise" part in her speech again, there is something interesting in the speech and painting of the Opening. In the Opening of every episode, where Kikuri gives a speech, she mentions the "Infinite Hell of Avici". The painting shows various scenes of punishment, such as a man being devoured by dogs, people being beaten by Oni(s) and masses of skeletons impaled or fighting. This is clearly based on Japanese Buddhism and early Taoism. If that is the case, then Hell, despite being ''{{Understatement very}}'' long, is certainly not eternal. The Hell of Avici is indeed infinite, but it obeys the same princicples as all Buddist hells. It is one of the hells designed for a specific group of grave sinners. Most (except for the few who achieved enlightenment) will go to the Underworld when they die, and there, they will be sentenced to a length of punishment by the Enma (lord of the Underworld), in proportion and [[KarmicHell in form]] of the sin they committed. After this sentence is served, they will be allowed to reincarnate, and doing so erases all their memories.
So why does Ai still include that part in her speech? My guess is that it is an exaggerated warning, as sense of time would indeed become distorted in Hell, and the fact that the sinners will not remember their experience there, Hell would certainly ''seem'' eternal. Maybe the Lord of Hell ''doesn't'' actually want people to send each other to Hell, and Ai's warning is a subtle white lie to help people change their mind. If this is true, then it would certainly make the series a bit more hopeful, as some of the victims certainly don't deserve to spend eternity in Hell. Or maybe I'm overthinking it, but then again, that's what WMG is for.
[[WMG: Hell is Not Eternal]]
Maybe this is an attempt of mine to make the show seem just ''that much'' more cheerful, but the thing that has been keeping me wondering is that we are never really shown what Hell is actually like. We get a few sequences in Season 1 when Ai gives her clients a "taste of hell", but that was hardly very convincing. There are a few points in between the seasons that we can infer some information from:
* Season 1: The idea that Hell is eternal is pretty consistant through this season. The gate that Ai and her ferry passes through is clearly a Shinto gate, so for now, let's assume that the hell in Jigoku Shoujo is Yomi, the Shinto Underworld. Yomi isn't necessarily Hell (it isn't a land of pain and suffering), it just is an Underworld of Limbo where the dead goes to, and it is eternal. This would make Takamagahara the "Paradise", which in comparison, would indeed make Yomi feel like Hell.
* Season 2: This is where the "Eternal Hell" idea becomes a bit more distorted. In the very first episode, the idea of "Repentance" is brought into the series when the Lord of Hell demands Ai to repent for both herself and on behalf of her parents. This would cause the idea of Hell to veer more towards Japanese Buddhism. A major point is that Ai ''no longer says'' "Your soul shall forever be lost in pain and suffering, never knowing Paradise" during her speech to her clients. And in Episode 13, it is revealed that people go to Hell depending on "proportions" of their sin (the man will go to hell for both murder ''and'' using the straw doll). These points, along with Wanyuudo's rather hopeful speech at the end of episode 6, implies that redemption is still possible even in Hell. This point is further enhanced in the opening of...
* Season 3: Despite the fact that Ai says the "Your soul shall forever be lost in pain and suffering, never knowing Paradise" part in her speech again, there is something interesting in the speech and painting of the Opening. In the Opening of every episode, where Kikuri gives a speech, she mentions the "Infinite Hell of Avici". The painting shows various scenes of punishment, such as a man being devoured by dogs, people being beaten by Oni(s) and masses of skeletons impaled or fighting. This is clearly based on Japanese Buddhism and early Taoism. If that is the case, then Hell, despite being ''{{Understatement very}}'' long, is certainly not eternal. The Hell of Avici is indeed infinite, but it obeys the same princicples as all Buddist hells. It is one of the hells designed for a specific group of grave sinners. Most (except for the few who achieved enlightenment) will go to the Underworld when they die, and there, they will be sentenced to a length of punishment by the Enma (lord of the Underworld), in proportion and [[KarmicHell in form]] of the sin they committed. After this sentence is served, they will be allowed to reincarnate, and doing so erases all their memories.
So why does Ai still include that part in her speech? My guess is that it is an exaggerated warning, as sense of time would indeed become distorted in Hell, and the fact that the sinners will not remember their experience there, Hell would certainly ''seem'' eternal. Maybe the Lord of Hell ''doesn't'' actually want people to send each other to Hell, and Ai's warning is a subtle white lie to help people change their mind. If this is true, then it would certainly make the series a bit more hopeful, as some of the victims certainly don't deserve to spend eternity in Hell. Or maybe I'm overthinking it, but then again, that's what WMG is for.
