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If Grem isn't there, Saves-A-Fox retrieves the key instead, possibly dying and throwing the key ahead (low odds; she'd probably have died later, in a more interestingly instance-relevant way). K'Seliss doesn't have as much delay when running from the held door, [[spoiler: he doesn't get grabbed and pulled through]], and Dies' death scene [[spoiler: goes more or less exactly the same as it did in the comic]], only K'Seliss kills the ogre first and entertains the demon very slightly. It may have changed even earlier, if Grem's presence [[ForWantOfANail caused]] Dies' arm to reach ahead and puncture the clear panel where the finger horror's finger got through.

[[WMG: The anime ''LightNovel/GoblinSlayer'' is an alternative universe of this comic or vice versa.]]

When the comic started, the rule base that the world quite clearly ran on was obviously the 3.5 rules. But, bit by bit, the world seems to be changing. Kore has already been theorized as being a 4th edition Paladin; perhaps he (or she, as another WMG says) is slowly converting and, fortunately for him, acquired the "Paladins can be of any Alignment" rule before he went off the deep end. * [[http://www.goblinscomic.com/11102008/ This comic]] features a creature that looks like a Soulspike Devourer, a creature that didn't exist until the 4th edition. And [[http://www.goblinscomic.com/11222008/ this comic]] proves that it ''is'' a Soulspike Devourer- the process that happens to its kill is a trademark of the beast.

** As of the 4E PHB2, there are.

Admittedly, we haven't seen a ton of women goblins, but she seems to have more defined and human-like features than other goblins. She's also the one who actively says, "ScrewDestiny" She's not the only one who dislikes some of the Goblin traditions (there's Complains-Of-Names), but she's the only one of the goblins we've seen who has done the opposite of what her name is. And rebellion for rebellion's sake is frequently considered a human trait.
* I'm not necessarily saying Saves isn't half human, but I don't think you can say well defined features as being a trait of a half human as we see Complains in an earlier comic day dreaming about a very well defined female goblin.

The goblins seem to be magnets for rare and valuable things at the moment. Chief has an amazing spear; Big-Ears has the Axe; Dies-Horribly has a shapeshifting hand; and Complains has become part-Demon, presumably granting some useful bonuses. Chief also remarked after the battle in the guard barracks that they seem to be gaining bonus experience. This could be because there ''are'' no other parties of goblin [=PCs=] so far as we know - even the dungeon delve at the Viper clan seems to be comprised of (admittedly dangerous or talented) {{NPC}}s. Coupled with their lifespans, which are generally guessed to be about 30 years, the non-stop windfalls make a certain sort of sense. You can add Maglubiyet's influence to top it all off - he wouldn't want his future champions to die poor and weak, would he?

* Dies' arm is a larval form of Klik's species but everything else Klik said was true. Klik lied to comfort Dies. Klik did his best to prolong Die's life but eventually the arm will grow up and Dies will bleed to death.The arm will become a cowardly plasmic ball which craves Dies' blood, goblin blood, other blood. It might even defeat the current big bad.

Alternately, he's lost his Paladin status - the support of his god - but since he keeps the souls of his victims chained to him, he derives his power from them, giving him an alternate energy source for his Paladin powers. Perhaps he's amassed so many souls that they now have the collective divine clout of a minor godling.

[[WMG:It IS impossible to avoid a fate accurately prophesied by a fortune teller...but fortune tellers are not infallible.]]

* Sorta half-jossed half-confirmed - [[spoiler:Dies really does die, but he gets better.]]

* Jossed - [[spoiler:K'seliss takes care of Mr. Fingers... [[HeroicSacrifice at the cost of his life]].]]

MinMax points out that Fogath is "played" by a girl. Later a random girl actually believes she used to be the female Dark Elf that travled with them and does not realize she is wearing gloves in responce another character asks is she read her character sheet. Basically some PC's talk as if they are completely different people from themselves.

Fumbles chosen class could not be much more useless unless somebody tried to find the most useless class possible, however it gives him an excuse to know what all the classes do. Fumbles became a PC in his party's backstory. The other goblins let Fumbles choose their class after they give a brief explanation of what they want, either they are just acepting what the DM says or they told the DM there plans before then and were given an appropiate history. Fumbles tries to convince them to attack the caravan then defies his group and attacks them anyways. Afterwards he insists on returning the doll on his own despite the impossability. He forces them on a certain path and can not do anything during there first adventure. Fumbles appears to exist in order to lead the other goblins in a way that suggests he is not controlled be anybody but the DM.

[[WMG: Grem was lied to about Saves-A-Fox being fated to survive the dungeon under the condition that she, Dies Horribly, and K'Seliss went alone. Dies (and possibly K'Seliss) were originally going to survive the Well of Darkness, and if that had been stated, Grem would have been more suspicious of her predicted survival, whereas obviously ''someone'' had to survive to bring the orb out, and if it wasn't the other two it would have to be her.]]

He tolerates Minmax's player because he knows how to roleplay a minmaxer, and he's been known to lose patience with Forgath's player. But the other three all chose to play drow the first time, which would naturally have ticked him off. The second time, they still kept breaking character and referencing things which don't exist in the setting such as Japan and [[Franchise/{{Pokemon}} Geodude]].\\

** Thus far, he did summon Chief's spirit, which helped both him and the Goblins.

** Borrowing the axe is confirmed. It's possible he has proficiency (maybe he has the War domain and Herbert's favored weapon is an axe), or the bonus it gives him is just enough to make it at least as easy to use as his own weapon, even with the nonproficiency penalty (as long as his own weapon is +3 or less, he'd hit at least as often, and probably do a fair bit more damage since the +7 isn't lessened by nonproficiency).

*** The revival isn't one round per caster level (it's one minute per caster level), the maximum length of time they can be dead before th spell is cast is one round per caster level.

** And yet we've seen the Shield of Wonder create a Soulspike Devourer, a 4e monster. Whatever reason Elli originally came up with for Kore's ability to keep his paladin status ''could'' be retconned to this, though his original idea is probably less banal and thus he'll probably keep it.

* He IS a Paladin, and of course, his actions should have him fall long time ago, but he has a lot of -screaming- souls bound to himself. All those souls are forced to carry Kore's sins. They're screaming and sufferins for those abominable actions, and the self-loathing of the good paladin Kore someday was. If a cleric manages to free all those souls, Kore would have to bear the weight of those sins, and become a fallen paladin at astromonical speeds!

* Alternately, the axe will go through him just before something causes him to Fall. Then, it solidifys in his skull.

* Kore's excessively long speeches explaining the justifications of his actions are also the only thing keeping him aligned as a paladin -- by explaining how he (as a character) percieves his actions to be good, no matter how evil the action itself would otherwise be, he gets a pass. Either it works because the DM/Herbert agrees with the idea that if you say it's for the common good, it is, or either as a StrawmanPolitical that he can't otherwise argue with because it would make him look like a hypocrite.

[[StarWars Search your feelings; you know it to be true.]]

When Minmax finds out that Goblinslayer is having sex with Kin, his question isn't so much from the biological point, but from why would a caged creature what to have sex with her captor? Of course, once Minmax finds out that Goblinslayer has been beating and raping Kin, that's when this guy, who normally kills monsters for the exp, unleashes a NoHoldsBarredBeatdown.

[[WMG: The anime ''LightNovel/GoblinSlayer'' is an altrnate universe of this comic or vice versa.]]

[[WMG: The anime [[Manga:GoblinSlayer]] is an altrnate universe of this comic or vice versa.]]

[[WMG: The anime [[Anime:GoblinSlayer]] is an altrnate universe of this comic or vice versa.]]