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[[WMG: Susato Mikotoba is also Naruhodou/Phoenix's ancestor.]]
Ryuunosuke ends up marrying Susato some time during or after the series. She and Ryuunosuke both bear a resemblance to Wright and they both gesture with their pointer finger.

[[WMG: The music in the second trailer is either a medley of the theme songs of significant characters or the main theme of the game itself.]]
[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dK7vxwo6cM4 Here]] is the second trailer.

[[WMG: The music in the teaser trailer is the main theme of the game.]]
[[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuIdjU1I-08 Here]], on the other hand, is the first trailer.

[[WMG: Ryunouske and Susato will be ship-teased.]]
Perhaps in a "Is she your girlfriend?" way or the "she gets into trouble so he saves her" way.

[[WMG: The ladder jokes will continue.]]
Because it should. Even in VideoGame/ProfessorLaytonVSAceAttorney there is a ladder joke.

[[WMG: This game will NOT be DarkerAndEdgier than Takumi's previous works.]]
Judging by the timeline and theme of the game there is a rather low possibility of it being DarkerAndEdgier.

[[WMG:If localized, the English version will take place in Japan and Phoenix's ancestors will be stated as having some sort of Japanese past. This will give them the means to merge the two versions of the series together.]]
Most likely they'll have Phoenix having a Japanese-American inheritance, or they could even have Phoenix's ancestor being an American who's moved to Japan briefly for some reason or another.
If it's the former, they'll likely keep the Japanese names for the protagonist, but if it's the latter they'll keep the name "Wright".
If indeed they keep his Japanese name and have Phoenix with a part Japanese inheritance, it's a good opportunity for them to merge the two names for Phoenix Wright/Ryūichi Naruhodō into both being canon to both series. That is to say, having "Phoenix" and "Naruhodo" as both being canon to the English series, for the first time.
* If this is true, then it also means it's likely that this will be the first game in which they won't have to hand-wave the Japanese culture in the games's settings.
* I sincerely doubt they'll keep "Naruhodou" as the surname since otherwise most people who play the games won't be able to make the connection that it's Phoenix's ancestor. Not everyone who plays these games comes onto TV Tropes, the Wikia, or speaks Japanese and would thus get the reference. They ''may'' keep Ryuunosuke, but not "Naruhodou".
** They said MERGE it, not completely change it into Japanese. There's plenty of ways that they can keep the Japanese name while making it clear he's actually Wright's ancestor.
* They might not mention the location, as they never directly do in-universe unless you're looking at a specific piece of evidence.
** I'm pretty damn sure they'll at least make it clear if it takes place in America or not. You'd have to be an idiot to not see the connections.
*** And don't forget how the setting will make it so obvious its set in japan that the only thing they will get if they try to find a way to hand wave the setting is a ''lot'' of facepalms.
* It seems that the game is primarily set in London, so the easiest way to go about it would be to have Ryunosuke meet a British woman with the last name Wright and imply a love connection between the two.
** Or perhaps, if they ''really'' want to make him a Wright from the get-go, have him be a child of a Japanese woman with the last name Naruhodou, and a Westerner with the last name Wright. He then could stress his mother's Japanese surname while in Japan, while eventually using the "Wright" surname while in London since, most likely, people would have trouble pronouncing the Japanese name.
* For bonus points, "Ryuunosuke Naruhodou" will actually be renamed to "Chiron Naruhodou" to keep both the theme naming with Phoenix and Apollo with a word that reasonably could be confused for a Japanese name and to acknowledge the Japanese setting that the first part of the game has.

[[WMG: The localisation will change "Ryuunosuke" to "Chiron"]]
This was just an example name I gave in explanation on YouTube, but it fits, considering what Chiron was like. Originally I picked it on a glance-over of what he was, as well as the fact that like a Phoenix, he's a creature (a Centaur). Not only does Chiron have ties to Phoenixes, but he taught the ''God'' Phoenix, and was the adopted son of Apollo. Both work and tie into his physical appearance being close to theirs (though I think he looks a lot like [[http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130729225518/aceattorney/images/0/06/Hj.png Clay]]. [[http://gematsu.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Ace-Attorney-Trailer_04-23-14.jpg See?]]) Chiron's personality suits someone who Phoenix Wright would be descended from, someone who is intelligent and kind, as well as different from his fellows. And of course, it fits in with the ThemeNaming of the playable defence attorneys, as Chiron is a Centaur from GreekMythology. Of course, they tend to pick meaningful names differently, and will probably go with something ''completely different'', but for now, I do like the way "Chiron Wright" sounds. Both as it's spelt and actually said (something close to kai-ran).

[[WMG: The Judge's ancestor will be featured as the main Judge in the game, and he'll be the exact opposite of his descendant]]
He'll be serious, harsh and very unforgiving and unpersuasive, in a direct contrast to the modern Judge's goofy, easy-going, forgiving and easily swayed personality.
* Since the game is primarily taking place in England, the bit about him being the main judge seems {{jossed}}, however his ancestor could easily be the judge of the warm up case against Payne's ancestor.

[[WMG: There will be many uses in-jokes, both to history and to the modern timeline]]
This is something I'd love to see if, and believe I WILL see, with the game taking place over a century in the past. Many ItWillNeverCatchOn jokes as well as just general jokes about events from the 1800s and 1900s will likely be included, such as jokes about "moving pictures", "a huge world war", "man going into space" ect.
As well as this, I believe that they'll make jokes relating to the main series. Such as joking about descendants, as well as "historical jokes" relating to the modern timeline, such as joking about the possibility of robots, centres relating to space exploration, holograms and just general technological aspects from the main games.
* Related, there will be at the very least one reference to Harry Houdini, or at least an {{Expy}} of Houdini, who was indeed alive and performing during the game's timeline.

[[WMG: At some point, Sherlock Holmes and Iris Watson will be unable to help Ryuunosuke and Susato during a case.]]
Ryuunosuke will instead unknowingly be helped on the case by gentleman thief ArseneLupin. As a bonus, it will be ''Lupin'' who will be the one to suggest to Ryuunosuke to turn things around and look at the case from a different angle, serving as an echo to Mia Fey's own teachings to Phoenix Wright as well as a nod to his stories which were a reversal of detective stories that Holmes represents.

[[WMG: The prosecutor will be Edgeworth's ancestor.]]
Because it would be funny to see 19th-century versions of Wright and Edgeworth squaring off in court.
* Supposing Ryuunosuke is anything like Phoenix and that Edgeworth's ancestor is anything like him, anyway.

[[WMG: The main prosecutor will be female]]
Since they're so rare, it'd be nice to see one, even if it would go against the time period, seeing a fierce, Morgan Fey-esque prosecutor who then subverts what Morgan is/was by being actually a halfway decent person with a very strong moral compass. If not the prosecutor, the judge.

[[WMG: The first prosecutor will be an {{Expy}} of Payne.]]
ForegoneConclusion, most likely, but worth mentioning.
** Confirmed!

[[WMG: The origins of the Fey clan will be revealed]]
Wouldn't it be kickass to learn about the details of how the clan was founded, and hopefully see Ami Fey in person?

[[WMG: None of the new characters, save Ryuunosuke, will be related to any of the other past cast members.]]
Nice as it would ''be'', I'm sure, it's a bit of a ContrivedCoincidence if also the prosecutor and/or judge are also related to past cast members, especially since the localised games take place in Los Angeles and this one will (probably) unavoidably take place in Japan.
* Extremely unlikely. The game takes place in the ''Meiji era of Japan''. Having no ancestor aside from Ryuunosuke would be wasted potential. I'm not saying every character in the game should be an ancestor, but at least a few of them.
** What does it being the Meiji era have to do with anything? And how would it be "wasted potential"? Just because someone's an ancestor of a character doesn't automatically make them interesting. I can maybe see a few ''witnesses'' being the ancestors of other witnesses (like trouble magnets Lotta Hart and Larry Butz and having their penchant for getting in trouble being InTheBlood), but not the judge, prosecution, or the detective. THAT is too much of a coincidence for me to accept, especially if it's more than one of them. The only thing I could accept as totally reasonable is the first prosecutor being Payne's ancestor because it feels like the Payne brothers come from a long line of prosecutors (though I do wonder what pun on the surname they'll do this time if that's true. Cry in pain? Flinch in pain? Shriek in pain? *gasp* ''I hope his name is Shuriken Payne''. Squeak in pain? Sob in pain? Die in pain?). It's too much to accept that all or most of the main characters are ancestors of the current cast, especially Edgeworth, because it would be cliché.
*** Again, I didn't say that ''all'' of the main characters need to be ancestors of the current cast, I'm just saying we need more than just Ryuunosuke. In my opinion, having a game set far back into the past of a series which doesn't reveal any of the origins of the current cast (How the Fey clan came to be, for example) or at least show what their ancestors looked like would be a shame. I agree that it would be a bit cliché to see too many ancestor characters, but we need to see at least a few of them.
*** I always thought the Kurain Technique and thus, the Fey Clan, went back even further than just the Meiji period. Like it went back ''hundreds'' of years to the early 1800's or so. There were implied to be different channelling techniques still in use, maybe we'll see more of those if we see nothing of the Feys.
* Jossed, of course, since the ForegoneConclusion of Payne turning up came true, but otherwise looking good for the most part, since the game takes place primarily in England.

[[WMG: Susato isn't a Spirit Medium.]]
Well, she might not be!

[[WMG: Alternately, Susato is a Spirit Medium, but from a different Clan and thus, uses a different technique.]]
Well, Ami Fey had to build her training on SOMETHING, and I do believe Maya, Mia, or Pearls do say that there are other techniques, but that the Kurain technique is both the best and most difficult.

[[WMG: Ryuunosuke and Susato already know each other before the game begins.]]
Because that hasn't happened in the series yet.
* I would almost suggest they'd even be a couple and avert the WillTheyOrWontThey other assistants tend to have, but ''that'' would be seen as killing too many wonderful ships by our lovely TeasingCreator.

[[WMG: Susato is from Tokyo]]
Because the last Kanji in her name (都) refers to the administrative division of Japan, specifically Tokyo.

[[WMG: Naruhodou Ryuunosuke is ancestor of both Apollo Justice and Phoenix Wright.]]
* He looks similar to both of them.
* His name Ryuunosuke has parts from both names - "Ryuichi" and "Housuke"
* This also means [[spoiler:Trucy actually ''is'' related to her adoptive Papa, just not in quite the same sense they think of each other]].

[[WMG:Ami Fey/Kyouko Ayasato will be in this game ]]

* She will be either Susato Mikotoba who will change her name and surname for some reasons.
* Either she will be witness or suspect in one or more cases
* Either she will be just mentioned

[[WMG: Alternately, the Feys won't be mentioned at all.]]

[[WMG: Possible ways for the victims to die...]]
Almost certain possibilities that are very popular ways to die:
* Blunt Force Trauma (In every single game if you include falling off something; non-fatal in T&T)
* Impalement (in every game except ''Apollo Justice'')
* Shooting (Also featured in every game, again non-fatal in T&T and in DD, and considering what's going on in-universe, likely)
Everything else:
* Poisoning
* Asphyxiation
* Drowning
* Being crushed by a giant statue (is this technically BFT?)

[[WMG: Susato won't be accused of murder.]]
Unlike Maya.

[[WMG: Ryuunosuke will do the 'Curiouser and Curiouser' quote.]]
Everyone else has, why not him?

[[WMG: The Localisation, if there is ever going to be one, will at the least localise the names.]]
It may not localise the ''location'' (it may, as the games continuously do, NOT mention the location in-universe and thus leave it ambiguous), but it will with the names to maintain the jokes and references they make, as per the usual standard, especially if there's more than one character who's ancestors we see (since it would just be plain odd to see maybe three or four English names amidst a cast of nothing but Japanese names in early 20th Century Japan).

[[WMG: The story is being told through the summoned spirit of Susato, discussing the murder of Ryuunosuke and how it came about.]]
It would make for a good framing device, as well as tie in the game to the rest of the series. Ryuunosuke could just be Phoenix's great-great-great uncle. Why did they summon Susato? Either Phoenix was curious about his ancestor's early death and asked Maya or Pearls for help (and Maya wanted to summon Susato instead because she's "cuter" than Ryuunosuke), or somehow, some way, the cases Susato and Ryuunosuke worked on together relate to a current case Wright is working on. Thus they put to rest not only a cold case from over a century back, but they solve a current case, too.

[[WMG: Case 3 will have the most unique cause of death for the game, the murder will be spur-of-the-moment (meaning not pre-meditated), and there will be blackmail.]]
Because there's a bit of a recurring theme for each of the Case 3's we've had so far. In Case 3, the cause of death tends to be the most unique in each game and tends to involve blackmail in some way. Also, every single Case 3 murder bar one was ''not'' pre-meditated.
* '''Turnabout Samurai''': Death by impalement. Was a unique death until Case 1-5 came about. However, it's the only case in any of the games that the killer can plea justified self defence (though she'd go to jail for tampering with the crime scene), and the only case in the game where the murderer is female. Also the only Case 3 where the killer is a woman. Only murder that was more accident than intent. Introduced Oldbag, Powers, and Nichols, whom appeared in later games. Involved blackmail.
* '''Turnabout Big Top''': Only case in the game with blunt-force trauma as the cause of death. Only case with a sympathetic murderer in the entire series, and the only case with crippled murderer. Only case in the series, too, where the victim was meant to be someone else. Introduced Regina Berry, who showed up in Investigations 2. Only Case 3 that doesn't feature blackmail. Ironically, the only premeditated murder.
* '''Recipe for Turnabout''': Only case with poison as the cause of death in the game (not counting Fawles' suicide). Only Case 3 where you defend a character from a past game (and by virtue, involved a character from a previous game). Introduced Viola Cadaverini, who appears in Investigations. Involved blackmail. Borderline premeditated murder due to having the poison on hand, but did not go to the restaurant with the intent to kill.
* '''Turnabout Serenade''': One of three Case 3s where the death isn't unique in-game (both the vics in Case 2 and Case 3 were shot), but has the dubious honour of being the ''only'' known victim to have not died within moments of being attacked. Also possibly the only victim to have not died within minutes of being injured. Only case in the series where the killer is a detective. Did not involve a character from a previous case who wasn't part of the game's legal party, but introduced Lamiroir who appears in the next case. Blackmail again.
* '''The Kidnapped Turnabout''': The second Case 3 without a unique death for the game (Cases 1, 3, 4, and 5 involving shooting) and also involved bleeding out (though the vic here didn't live long after being shot). Introduced a new character who returns for other games, Kay Faraday. Once more, blackmail was a thing in this case.
* '''The Inherited Turnabout''': Another blunt-force trauma death, and again, unique to this case in its game. Only case where the killer actually cannot be charged with the murder any longer, and the only Case 3 to heavily feature a past case. Introduced no one new who shows up later. Also, blackmail (from von Karma to the defendant)
* '''Turnabout Academy''': The least unique of the other Case 3s. The last Case 3 lacking a unique way of dying (impalement being used for the deaths in Cases 2, 3, 4, and 5). Did not involve a character from a previous case who wasn't part of the game's legal party (counting Klavier as he's part of the aforementioned legal party, just in Game 4). Blackmail was discussed and implied that the killer was involved in it.
* '''The Golden Court''': Yes, even the third trial in Layton vs Wright follows this trend to a degree. This is the third trial in the game (following The English Turnabout and The Fire Witch), thus the third case. Obviously being turned to gold is a unique way to die in the ''Ace Attorney'' entire series ([[spoiler: subverted in that the Professor didn't actually die but it still counts because it's the only poisoning case in the game and the only one where someone actually died]]). There are also two vics in this case (which is surprisingly NOT unique in this game; the second case also had two vics, [[spoiler: though again, subverted since Layton obviously didn't turn into a pretty lawn ornament, but Belduke kicked the bucket]]. Neither murder in this case was pre-meditated. And guess what? It ''also'' had blackmail [[spoiler: though it was subverted in the end like most things]].

[[WMG: VideoGame/DaiGyakutenSaiban will introduce another new BigWordShout.]]
Possibly not from Ryuunosuke unless he has a new ability to introduce, but the prosecution or the detective. Possible ideas with explanation:
* '''''"STOP RIGHT THERE!"''''': Used in the same connotation of '''''"OBJECTION!"''''', much like Agent Lang's '''''"NOT SO FAST!"''''', this one could be used by the prosecution or even the detective in charge as a means of objecting to Ryuunosuke.
* '''''"JUST A MOMENT!"''''': Probably delivered in the same calm, level, perfectly normal speaking voice as Professor Layton's {{Big Word Shout}}s in the crossover game, possibly by Susato. Again, a stand in for the most iconic of the {{Big Word Shout}}s.
* '''''"ELEMENTARY!"'''''. Used by Franchise/SherlockHolmes when answering a question. Example:
-->Ryuunosuke: "'''HOLD IT!''' If the victim was attacked from behind then how did the knife end up in his chest?"
-->Holmes: "'''''ELEMENTARY!''''' The killer must have knocked the victim out cold before killing him. Naturally once the victim was unconscious the killer could the stab him anywhere they pleased."
** There's "''YES SIR!''" (or "''HAI!!''") in the [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dK7vxwo6cM4 second trailer]]. With this, shall we consider this confirmed?

[[WMG: The last case of the game will parallel another case in a past game.]]
This has happened with a few cases. One case per game tends to parallel a past case, usually the last case paralleling another. Often times, they subvert a lot of details to keep the cases from being too same-ish. Prepare for another long WMG.
* '''Case 1-5 and Case 1-4''': Case 1-5 could be compared to 1-4 and 1-2. I'm going to compare it to case 1-4, just so I can say that the killer was a dirty blackmailer in a high political position and within the legal system who was revered and well-respected within his offices who was behind another case that is integral to the current one. Both cases heavily involved a past cases (DL-6 and SL-9) where the defendant's life was utterly destroyed thanks to false charges. That past case heavily scarred a young witness who was eventually led to believe they had murdered someone they cared for. Both current cases involved staged crime scenes (as did the SL-9). The opposites in these cases lay in that SL-9 featured a false conviction due to false evidence, and the DL-6 had no conviction due to a lack of overall evidence. And now, the list of things that are subverted. First, the aforementioned killers. Gant killed out of a desire to see a killer brought to justice and then again to silence a detective so the case would die. On the other hand, von Karma killed out of selfish revenge, and only orchestrated the second murder to bring the case ''back'' before it was too late to finish his revenge. Gant actually earned his respect and reverence by being a pretty swell guy who was good at his job, where Von Karma earned it through fear. Gant cared about justice; von Karma cared about his perfect record. With the scarred children, Miles was a young child where Ema was a teenager; Miles also later became the defendant and Ema did not (though she came close).
* '''Case 2-4 and Case 1-3''': Case 2-4 subverts almost everything about 1-3. From the ''Samurai'' star being the defendant (with one being innocent and one guilty, to the fact that the victim was the arch-nemesis of the defendant (or in Powers' case, the defendant's TV character), to a woman in management seeking revenge for the death of a loved one, to the blackmail (and the aforementioned woman's relation to said blackmail), to even the cases of impalement in both cases. The entire cast in 2-4 subverts what they were in 1-3. Powers was a genuinely nice guy with a FaceOfAThug, where Engarde was a truly evil {{Bishounen}}. Vasquez and Andrews have very deep parallels to each other: both are women who act very cold and are in places of management, both lost loved ones thanks to the actions of the victim, both mutilated the victim's corpse to implicate someone else for the crime, and both were involved in blackmail in some way. However, Vasquez accidentally committed murder (and then tried to cover it up) where Andrews didn't murder anyone (but tried to FrameTheGuiltyParty), and Vasquez was actively using the blackmail; Andrews wanted to ''destroy'' it. Hammer and Corrida have more in common than they don't (both being jerkasses who were deeply involved in blackmail and responsible for the deaths of someone else). Oh, and both had Oldbag and Will Powers in them.
* '''Case 3-1 and 1-1''': Both directly involved Phoenix on a personal level, both cases had Mia on the defence bench in some way, both cases involved an utterly smitten man unable to accept what kind of person his girlfriend really was, and both defendants were complete idiots. The way case 3-1 subverts 1-1 the best is that the girlfriend was the killer, not the victim. Also that Larry never grew out of being an idiot, where Phoenix has.
* '''Case 3-5 and 1-4''': 1-4 sees itself paralleled a lot. At least once more, when the game is also working with this case. Both cases, the killer was the prosecutor for the trial (or at least, had something to do with the murder; von Karma was responsible directly for the murder of Gregory Edgeworth and orchestrated the murder of Robert Hammond, where Godot was directly responsible for the death of Misty Fey). All the murders in those cases were for revenge (von Karma for the black mark on his record, Yogi for ruining his life, and Godot for everything that happened to him and Mia thanks to Dahlia). Both cases, the defendant was accused of murdering their only parent at the time (Edgeworth charged with patricide and Maya, matricide). Both cases involved staging a murder for a witness (though Iris probably didn't intend for Bikini to see her desecrating the corpse where Yogi definitely intended for Lotta to see him "be shot" by Edgeworth). Both cases drove the defendants to want to quit their jobs (Edgeworth left the prosecutor's office, Maya initially rejected being the Master but doesn't have the luxury of abdicating). Both 1-4 and 3-5 had ties to past cases (1-4 to the DL-6 and 3-5 to Case 3-4 and Diego Armando's poisoning shortly after).
* '''Case 5-2 and 3-2''': This one is my favourite because I'm pretty sure it was ''totally'' unintentional. The two cases are virtually identical. Let's start with the villains (not murderers for these two, villains). Atmey and L'Belle. First off, they're the Joker and the Penguin with their personalities switched. Atmey looks like the Penguin, acts a bit like the Joker, and vise-versa for L'Belle. Their leitmotifs are rather similar, both stole the masked alter ego identities of the defendant (Atmey to make an alibi and L'Belle to frame the defendant), both knocked out the defendant in order TO frame him (Atmey with... an undisclosed blunt object implied to be the Shichishito, and L'Belle with drugs), both have verbal tics that [[GotMeDoingIt get everyone else doing it]] that I don't need to explain, both get a noticeably large amount of interior snark from the attorney in charge, both are full of themselves (one in his appearance, one in his skills), both have ties to larceny (though L'Belle failed), both where blackmailers, and both are notable for a laugh (Atmey being LaughingMad and L'Belle for his AnnoyingLaugh)... And that's just the bad guy! Onto the defendant! Actually a pretty nice dude who does what he does for a loved one, has a secret masked identity (which the killer "borrows"), both are knocked out cold by the killer, both are blackmail victims and both try to insist they're guilty of a crime, though Tenma claims he's a killer to ensure Jinxie isn't put in his place as the defendant and Ron claims he's a thief so he's NOT accused of being a murderer. Both of the cases had larceny at the heart of them, both involved a thief what left calling cards (though Ron sent them ahead and Filch's granddad did not).
* '''Case 5-5 and Cases 1-4 and 3-5''': I'll try to keep this one short. Interestingly, all three of these cases had the finger being pointed at the prosecution for the murder (von Karma, Godot, and Blackquill; Edgeworth I suppose counts as well though he didn't prosecute Case 1-4). All three cases, the defendant was charged with murdering a parent (with 1-4 being the odd man out, as it was a patricide charge to a man in his 20's, where the other two were teenage girls charged with matricide). All three cases dealt with past cases as motive for murder (the DL-6 for the death of Hammond, Cases 3-4, 3-1, and 1-2 for the death of Dahlia-channelled-by-Misty, and the IS-7 for poor Clay).

[[WMG: Both Case 2 and Case 4's murders will be a first-degree murder.]]
You know, it's odd. There's actually a pattern. I noticed it when I was thinking about how every Case 3 but one was pre-meditated, but then I realised that every single one of them except the very first Case 3 is actually murder in the second degree (even Case 2-3, as Acro didn't mean to murder the Ringmaster, but Regina; Case 1-3 was justified self defence). So I got to thinking about the other Cases, to see if there's a similar pattern. And there is. As with my study of Case 3's, this includes ''ProfessorLaytonVsAceAttorney''.
* Case 1: Almost always murder in the second degree. Exceptions are Case 3-1, Case 4-1, and I2-1.
* Case 2: Almost always murder in the first degree. The lone exception is Case 4-2.
* Case 3: Almost always murder in the second degree. The only exception is Case 1-3, which was justified self defence.
* Case 4: Always murder in the first degree. Every single one.
* Case 5: A mixed bag, actually. There have been five, two in the second degree, and three in the first.
The cases I didn't count were the back cases in Cases 1-4 and 1-5 (DL-6 and SL-9), which were both murder in the second degree, and the two cases where there wasn't a murder: the DLC and the first case of Layton vs Wright. I also didn't count the Manga cases.

[[WMG: The game, if localised, will take place during WWI.]]
Before you start telling me I'm wrong or am likely wrong simply because you hate the idea, let me explain:
* One, the English games are already set in dates after the Japanese ones, with the first game taking place in 2017 where the Japanese game takes place in the present day. The Meiji era ends a few years before WWI started, so the dates would remain relatively proportional to one another.
** Actually, the original versions also took place in a near future setting.
* Two, the English games, at least, all take place in California already. I believe the Japanese versions are the only games to keep the games in Japan and not California, but I could be wrong.
* Three, putting it during WWI would allow them to keep the game in California AND explain Ryuunosuke's militaryesque college uniform to people who don't know a lick of Japanese or Japanese culture, which is most people.
* Four, it would mean the names could be localised and the puns could be kept.
* Five, remember that English isn't the only language these are translated into, so odds are, even if the names aren't translated in English, they could be in French, Dutch, Spanish, German, or Italian so seriously get over your butthurt that the names could be translated, [[GratuitousGerman mein gott]].

[[WMG: The Ace Attorney universe takes place in an AlternateHistory where Japan colonized California.]]
At least, that will be the excuse they give to justify setting this game in "Japanifornia" when the setting is so obviously Japanese. It would also retroactively explain all the "Japanese" settings that have featured in past games.

[[WMG: VideoGame/DaiGyakutenSaiban will have a new Jury mechanic as part of the trials.]]
Released pictures of the new courtroom (with the exception one used for the first case) show three chairs in front of the Judge's seat. If fan response is positive to the new mechanic, AA6 will pick up the dropped Jury System arc from Apollo Justice.
* [[spoiler: [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgEdGi1mu6U Based on the TGS extended trailer,]] a Jury is indeed present in the game. Time will tell whether or not this leads to a new game mechanic, however.]]
** This is probably historically accurate, since Meiji-era Japanese courts were modelled after European court systems. A proper trial-by-jury wouldn't be adopted until the 1920's where it was abandoned for the "Ace Attorney" system of only having a judge after WWII.

[[WMG: Iris Watson is John Watson's daughter.]]
Considering what happens to most everyone's parents in the Ace Attorney universe, no points for guessing what happened to John.

[[WMG: VideoGame/DaiGyakutenSaiban will also serve to tie in VideoGame/GhostTrick to the Ace Attorney universe.]]
* Ghost Trick has been officially stated to be taking place in the same universe as Ace Attorney, but thus far we have no idea when it takes place: Before the games, between them or even a few generations later. It would be nice if this game found a way to show, or at least elaborate, on where Ghost Trick stands with regards to the overall Ace Attorney universe.

[[WMG: John Watson is Iris Watson's uncle.]]
The game will take place during John's tour of Afghanistan with having Iris picking up John's medical knowledge during her visits with him. After the game, Sherlock will seek out John once he returns from the Middle East, having grown slightly uncomfortable with bringing a little girl around to investigate murder mysteries and somewhat knowing of his growing eccentricity would be too much for a child to deal with, no matter how mature they are. Not to mention he doesn't want the risk of Iris somehow picking up his growing '''''heroin addiction'''''.

[[WMG: The BigBad will be the infamous Sherlock Holmes villain Professor Moriarty.]]
Or, alternatively...

[[WMG: The BigBad will be Irene Adler.]]
She is "the" woman to Holmes, after all, the only woman to outwit him and get away with it. But in this scenario, it will turn out to be more complicated, and Adler will be portrayed sympathetically, as in the original story, "A Scandal in Bohemia."
* Going with the guesses about who is whose ancestor, Irene is the ancestor of Iris and Dahlia and has a personality which is more {{Tsundere}} than {{Yandere}}. Her sympathetic plight will be played against her descendant's tendencies to be a HateSink.

[[WMG: Sherlock Holmes will be the victim of the final case.]]
Sherlock Holmes' death is very famous and has been included in every recent Holmes adaptation, so naturally it would make sense for the final case to revolve around it. That, and it'd get rid of a potential StoryBreakerPower right when things get really serious. This could possibly tie into one of the above two guesses too. Then possibly, TheStinger would show him to he alive, in keeping with what ended up happening in the original stories.

[[WMG: Susato will turn out to be Iris Hawthorne's ancestor.]]
Iris did have a few YamatoNadeshiko traits. Or alternatively...

[[WMG: Iris Watson will turn out to be Iris Hawthorne's ancestor.]]
This one is unlikely, but that's why we have wild mass guessing.

[[WMG: Iris Watson is a Steampunk Magitek Robot Girl co-developed by Holmes and John Watson.]]
As such, she was programmed to have a docterate. She truly is eight years old, however.

[[WMG: Iris Watson is spirit medium]]
And she will use her powers to summon her father (John Watson) and other people.

[[WMG: ''Holmes'' will be the one constantly being accused of murder]]
His SherlockScan giving him insight to the crime? Preposterous! The only way he knows so much is because he did it!

[[WMG: Apollo is related to Sherlock Holmes, not Ryuunosuke.]]
Holmes's {{Sherlock Scan}}s come off as a heightened sense of Apollo's own perception skills. Not only can he read gestures like Apollo can (like Susato looking off with her eyes and thinking), but he can deduce what her book is without being able to see it. Apollo's ability likewise relies on his incredibly good eyesight. We also don't know much about Apollo's family. It's possible the reason Apollo has a better perception ability than Trucy is not due to his bracelet, but because he received similar abilities from ''both'' sides of his family. His mother's family has the perception ability, and through his father's side of the family, he also inherited extremely good eyesight and a knack for spotting things others wouldn't. We don't know anything about his father, after all, except that he was a performer.

[[WMG: Iris is not who she thinks she is.]]
Iris witnessed the murder of her parents not long before the story began, and the shock and trauma of the incident triggered a kind of self defence mechanism that caused Iris to become her father in something like a DeadPersonImpersonation. She's still aware she's not exactly John, but believes also that the things he did, like write about Sherlock's adventures and the medical degree, are things she is really responsible for. That's why she's eight, but seems to have both a medical degree and is apparently an author whose works have reached overseas already. In reality, these are things her father did that she's remembering as her own. Sherlock possibly lets this continue because he hasn't been able to work out who really killed John Watson and most likely doesn't tell Ryuunosuke or Susato about it either because he wants to avenge John himself or because he doesn't want to risk Iris finding out. It's also possible that she's not even John's daughter, but was a little girl heavily involved in another case they worked on who grew attached to John and on seeing him be killed by the same killer she saw before, her mind took his memories he shared with her and made them her own.

[[WMG: The ring on Ryuunosuke's hand is important.]]
Ryuunosuke wears a ring on the middle finger of his left hand. Possibly it's a memento of some kind, and will be important in one of the cases. It may even be why Ryuunosuke's even in England- the ring may be from his father (who may or may not be recently deceased), and contained a letter from him asking Ryuunosuke to look in on a friend of his- Sherlock Holmes- who needs his help. The ring may possibly be used as an identifier.

[[WMG: Susato is part of a BigScrewedUpFamily.]]
Oh come on, so far all of the female assistants have been part of one.
* While I agree the possibility is good, there is a contradiction in this argument. Kay Faraday, Miles Edgeworth's assistant, does not come from a BigScrewedUpFamily; her home life before her father's murder was quite normal and happy. Athena Cykes is of a similar case; her family was more dysfunctional due to Metis being introverted, rather than screwed up like the Feys and Gramaryes are. That aside, perhaps there will be a subversion, and it will be ''Iris'' who comes from a BigScrewedUpFamily, not Susato (whose family we won't be seeing much of, due to being in England the majority of the game).

[[WMG: Sherlock and Watson's roles will be "swapped", in a sense.]]
Meaning, Iris will be the one between them who calls the shots and does most of the work. Sherlock himself will be more something of a GeniusDitz[=/=]{{Cloudcuckoolander}} combo than his more dashing and capable literary counterpart; Iris, despite being only 8, will be more reasonable, focused, and mature. It's been officially stated that "her skills of deduction may surpass even Holmes'", perhaps implying that she's a bit more competent than he is.
* The "Joint Reasoning" gameplay mechanic (where Ryuunouske is tasked with pointing out that Holmes is going off-base with his deductions) seems to lean towards this. Holmes is too aggressive and too surface-level to see things as they ought to, leaping to conclusions without a full picture. So having Iris be the one who figures things out correctly may make sense (with Ryuunosuke breaking apart the argument and progressively deducing the solution while sorting out Holmes's faulty reasoning).

[[WMG: Kazuma Asougi will die sometime after the first case.]]
Kazuma is shown to be wearing a [[https://38.media.tumblr.com/40072d457b6b8cecfed901da5d79cf04/tumblr_ngqtpxfsBe1rikc2ro2_1280.jpg red headband]] in his official art. [[http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140911012756/aceattorney/images/5/5c/Ryuunosuke_Naruhodou.png Ryuunosuke has a similar headband/piece of fabric tied around the grip of his sword.]] One could argue that this is a staple of their academy's uniform, or maybe just a custom, but another look at Kazuma's art shows that he does not have the fabric tied to his own sword.
Kazuma will be murdered sometime between the first and second cases, and Ryuunosuke will tie his headband around the hilt of his own sword in memorial; given that most, if not all mentors and mentor-like figures in this series tend to meet an untimely end (or at least turn out to be antagonists of some kind), it is possible that Kazuma won't be sticking around for long. Grasping at straws? For sure, but after all, this IS the WMG.
* This has been a common theory among the speculators since he was revealed. Personally I think his death will factor into Ryuunosuke's motivation to travel to Europe (maybe not directly but will play some major role in it) since Kazuma wanted to travel to Europe on his own. Maybe the second case takes place five or so months later and Kazuma sends a letter back to Japan telling of all the fantastic opportunities in England. Ryuunosuke likes it and brings along Susato but when they arrive they find out that Kazuma was murdered (this might actually be the third case or later because, as I recall, the second case actually happens en route to England). His death might even become the game's overarching arc.
* Alternatively, rather than being either a murderer or a victim he will be [[BreadEggsBreadedEggs both]]. He will fake his death sometime after the first case and maybe even disguise himself as another character until the end of the game.
** Inversely, maybe he really does die, but it's later set up to make it look like he faked his death and is truly the BigBad, and the person who is pretending to be him is, in fact, another character we already know (and could be related to the False Holmes idea below; Holmes has always been a MasterOfDisguise, after all), and is impersonating Kazuma to get to Ryuunosuke and make him think that he falsely accused someone of murdering his mentor/friend.

[[WMG: The main prosecutor will have a more minor role than previous prosecutors]]
Hence why they aren't one of the lead four characters. They may even be a purely antagonistic BigBad.
* Maybe, for the first time, there is no set prosecutor? It's also possible that the reason they're not shown as part of the lead four is because there's actually four protagonists this time. Or because we've only seen six characters (the lead four, Meiji-Era Payne, and Kazuma), it just so far appears that the prosecutor's not as major because they haven't been shown yet.

[[WMG: Sherlock Holmes in the game is not the real Sherlock Holmes, and is the true BigBad.]]
Holmes is still, of course, a fictional character, and one he is pretending to be to gain credibility as a gifted investigator. Iris is either in on the charade, she suffered a severe mental trauma that has skewed her perception of reality and False-Holmes is using it to his advantage, or some other reason that leaves her quite innocent and open to betrayal. Ryuunosuke will be unaware of this, but gradually find clues that "Holmes" is not who he says he is, until he learns that Holmes really IS entirely fictitious. When he confronts False Holmes about it, it's revealed False Holmes has been the mastermind all along, and part of the last case revolves around capturing him. I mean, it doesn't make sense that a series that has (....mostly) adhered to reality would make a fictional character non-fiction in their universe, and all the fictional stuff has been consistently in the same category (personal abilities).

[[WMG: This Payne's first name.]]
It's surely going to be a pun on "_______ in pain" or something similar, right? Just like his descendants, Winston and Gaspen (winced and gasped). So, what could it be? Keep it alphabetical.
* Aaron Payne (are in pain)
* Antoine Payne (and in pain)
* Constantine Payne (constant in pain; there's already a character by this name in the franchise but there's also a Manfred and a Manny)
* Dylan Payne (still in pain)
* Gibson Payne (give some pain)
* Holden Payne (hold in pain, as in hold the injured spot)
* Newton Payne (new to pain)
* Oliver Payne (all of your pain)
* Quinton Payne (quit in pain)
* Robin Payne (rub in pain; unlikely as, again, there's already a character by this name)
* Xavier Payne (save your pain)

[[WMG: [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgEdGi1mu6U Roirotto from the game preview is related to Tuggit from PLvsAA]].]]
Except instead of pulling on his beard, he tries to cut it with a pair of dulled scissors. Which him cutting his beard with them is true, because later on Holmes says in the video "あなた は, そのはさみ を 使 リッパ は ひげ を 切 ところ ところ だった", which... if I translated that right and I may not have, says "You use the scissors the Ripper/Reaper had to cut your beard" which... well. ''Well''. I was halfway through this post when translating that and... ''I wasn't serious when I told someone I thought Jack the Ripper would be referenced in the game'', but that line actually implies the Ripper himself is a character, or an {{expy}} of him is.

[[WMG: Jack the Ripper will get an expy.]]
Well, supposing I translated that line right above this correctly... it certainly sounds like something like that could happen. The Meiji Era took place between 1868 and 1912, and Ripper was active at least in 1888. Which if it is, places the game soundly in 1888 or 1889.

[[WMG: Localisation names.]]
%%Most of these are just in fun, don't bite my head off; I'm making this WMG from a logical standpoint and experience with the other games%%
Supposing the game's localised, it is possibly an unavoidable fact that, no matter how much you might hate it, the names will get localised as will the region (though it's never directly stated in the games that it's in LA, unless you closely examine the victim's ID Badge in the first Investigations case). Especially since only one case is being played in Japan. Because of that, there's also precious few characters who it would even make ''sense'' to keep a Japanese name if the game stayed in Japan (Susato, Ryuuichi, Payne, and Kazuma). The last 3-4 cases are going to be in London, so most of the characters except them will likely have English names.
* Ryuuichi Naruhodou
** '''Chiron Wright'''. Chiron, so named for the Centaur of Greek mythos, and the archer of Sagittarius. A Greek figure with ties to both phoenixes the creature and Phoenix the God, Chiron was an adopted son of Apollo and a symbol of bridging the gaps between two feuding groups. He was a teacher and a tutor, and believed in fair judgement: "Decide no suit, until you have heard both sides speak". Seems perfect for an ancestor of Phoenix Wright (or for anyone seeking fairness in a trial).
* Susato Mikotoba
** '''Mary Kingsleigh'''. Most of the assistants, excepting Ema, all have a Y in their name, and I wanted to pick a traditional name to go with Susato being a "traditional" woman, and a name that fit the time period. Mary was also the most popular girl's name in the time period the game is set. Mikotoba refers to the words of a higher entity, like an emperor or a god, so I suggested her a last name that somewhat reflects that, as it sounds like "Kingly".
* Iris Watson (who probably will get a different given name, due to there already being an Iris)
** '''Alice Watson''', the Alice obviously referencing ''Literature/AlicesAdventuresInWonderland''. This will only be her name if it's intended to be somewhat of a spoiler as to her character, unless it's referring to the fact that she's a child.

[[WMG: Holmes and Watson are both false identities.]]
Branching off a suggestion above, this troper is partial to the idea of both Holmes and Watson being false identities, although they aren't villains in any sense. Iris Watson is truly Iris Watson, and she is really a prodigy who writes her own books, but the detective duo Holmes and Watson are nothing more than characters. The "Sherlock" we've seen is an actor hired to pose as the real Sherlock for publicity for Iris' books (think the actors at Disneyland but taken to a much more sincere extreme) and Iris plays along, seeing as she's the author, and the SH stories are written from Watson's point of view.
* "Sherlock" is actually the illustrator for the book series' (hence the colorful vials of what look like paint or ink at his hip) and was taken along with Iris one day at a book signing or meeting with a publisher. The two were mistaken for Iris' characters, under the assumption that the stories were true and the author was really Watson (as well as "Sherlock" being enough of a peculiar, extravagant enough person on his own that he was mistaken for the just-as-eccentric great detective)
* The concept of Holmes and Watson being real, live people who solve real, live mysteries quickly snowballed, and the two were soon up to their ears in fame. The abundance of this kind of publicity began to rake in the money fast (and much more than the truth would ever produce) and this troper believes the root of this charade was [[OnlyInItForTheMoney almost entirely motivated by money.]]
* Both "Sherlock" and Iris have their separate personal reasons for needing very large sums of money very urgently. "Sherlock"'s motivation was serious, but not quite as critical as Iris'; hers might have something to do with a very sick family member (her father? Dr. Watson?) or something just generally emotionally urgent, time-sensitive, and painfully expensive.
* "Sherlock" actually took care of his reason some time ago and could have ditched their deal altogether if he really wanted to, but he and Iris formed something of a familial bond along the way and it would be nearly impossible to abandon that [[ConscienceMakesYouGoBack (not to mention rather cruel to just leave an eight-year-old girl with a looming emergency to her own devices in London)]]
* Additionally, "Sherlock" isn't from London. He's not even from the United Kingdom; he's American, and has had to fake an English accent the entire time for his 'role'. The same might be possible for Iris as well. (One way or the other, eventually it'll make for a fantastic twist of one of [[ShockingVoiceIdentityReveal these]])
* Overall, even in the Ace Attorney universe, Holmes and Watson are nothing more than fictional characters, albeit created by someone else in-universe. The Holmes and Watson we've seen are false identities, and a good portion of the plot will revolve around their slowly-crumbling charade as well as the financially and emotionally demanding reasons they have for trying to keep the whole thing up (with a dash of The Dark Side Of The Law, but that's a different entry for a different day)

Complicated, but it's not like this series is ''completely'' unfamiliar with [[ProfessorLaytonVsAceAttorney elaborate, tangential, yet mostly realistic explanations to important plot points...]]
* As the OP of both the above "not who they say they are' theories, I like this idea, too. However, while the only reason that bird of explanation flew was because it was a Layton explanation (note how perplexed Phoenix is at how outrageous it is), the theory above has been shown off in the Ace Attorney series proper with [[spoiler:Godot]], [[spoiler:Mimi Miney]], [[spoiler:Dahlia Hawthorne]], [[spoiler:Calisto Yew/Shih-Na]], [[spoiler:the phantom]], [[spoiler:Shelly de Killer]], [[spoiler:Matt Engarde]]... ''*{{beat}}*''' Well, it's about time they [[SubvertedTrope subvert]] the fact that whenever someone is pretending to be someone or something else, it's the bad guy.
* You certainly have a point there! And definitely, it'd be nice to see another plot point character hiding their identity for a decent, non-malicious reason. With a well-loved duo like Holmes and Watson (whom fans of the books and other media in the franchise might respond... ''unfavorably'' to any sort of villainous role they may play) I think this would be the game to do it.

** '''Alice Watson''', the Alice obviously referencing AlicesAdventuresInWonderland. This will only be her name if it's intended to be somewhat of a spoiler as to her character, unless it's referring to the fact that she's a child.

* As the OP of both the above "not who they say they are' theories, I like this idea, too. However, while the only reason that bird of explanation flew was because it was a Layton explanation (note how perplexed Phoenix is at how outrageous it is), the theory above has been shown off in the Ace Attorney series proper with [[spoiler:Godot]], [[spoiler:Mimi Miney]], [[spoiler:Dahlia Hawthorne]], [[spoiler:Calisto Yew/Shih-Na]], [[spoiler:the phantom]], [[spoiler:Shelly de Killer]], [[spoiler:Matt Engarde]]... ''*{{beat}}*''' Well, it's about time they [[SubvertedTrope subvert]] the fact that whenever someone is pretending to be someone or something else, it's the bad guy.

** While the only reason that bird of explanation flew was because it was a Layton explanation (note how perplexed Phoenix is at how outrageous it is), the theory above has been shown off in the Ace Attorney series proper with [[spoiler:Godot]], [[spoiler:Mimi Miney]], [[spoiler:Dahlia Hawthorne]], [[spoiler:Calisto Yew/Shih-Na]], [[spoiler:the phantom]], [[spoiler:Shelly de Killer]], [[spoiler:Matt Engarde]]... ''*{{beat}}*''' Well, it's about time they [[SubvertedTrope subvert]] the fact that whenever someone is pretending to be someone or something else, it's the bad guy.

** While the only reason that bird of explanation flew was because it was a Layton explanation (note how perplexed Phoenix is at how outrageous it is), the theory above has been shown off in the Ace Attorney series proper with [[spoiler:Godot]], [[spoiler:Mimi Miney]], [[spoiler:Dahlia Hawthorne]], [[spoiler:Calisto Yew/Shih-Na]], [[spoiler:the phantom]], [[spoiler:Shelly de Killer]], [[spoiler:Matt Engarde]]... {{beat}} Well, it's about time they {{subvert}} the fact that whenever someone is pretending to be someone or something else, it's the bad guy.

Complicated, but it's not like this series is ''completely'' unfamiliar with [[ProfessorLaytonVsAceAttorney elaborate, tangential, yet mostly realistic explanations to important plot points...]]

Complicated, but it's not like this series is ''completely'' unfamiliar with [[ProfessorLaytonVsAceAttorney elaborate, tangential, yet realistic explanations to important plot points...]]

** '''Alice Watson''', the Alice obviously referencing AlicesAdventuresInWonderland. This will only be her name if it's intended to be somewhat of a spoiler as to her character, unless it's referring to the fact that she's a child.

The game's confirmed for localisation as I hear it, so it seems like an unavoidable fact that, no matter how much you might hate it, the names will get localised as will the region (though it's never directly stated in the games that it's in LA, unless you closely examine the victim's ID Badge in the first Investigations case). Especially since only one case is being played in Japan. Because of that, there's also precious few characters who it would even make ''sense'' to keep a Japanese name if the game stayed in Japan (Susato, Ryuuichi, Payne, and Kazuma). The last 3-4 cases are going to be in London, so most of the characters except them will likely have English names.

%%Most of these are just in fun, don't bite my head off%%

Well, supposing I translated that line right above this correctly... it certainly sounds like something like that could happen. The Meiji Era took place between 1868 and 1912, and Ripper was active at least in 1888. Which if it is, places the game soundly in 1888 or 1889.

Except instead of pulling on his beard, he tries to cut it with a pair of dulled scissors. Which him cutting his beard with them is true, because later on Holmes says in the video "あなた は, そのはさみ を 使 リッパ は ひげ を 切 ところ ところ だった", which... if I translated that right and I may not have, says "You use the scissors the Ripper/Reaper had to cut your beard" which... well. ''Well''. I was halfway through this post when translating that and... ''I wasn't serious when I told someone I thought Jack the Ripper would be referenced in the game'', but that line actually implies the Ripper himself is a character, or an {{expy}} of him is.

* Xavier Payne (save your pain)

Holmes is still, of course, a fictional character, and one he is pretending to be to gain credibility as a gifted investigator. Iris is either in on the charade, she suffered a severe mental trauma that has skewed her perception of reality and False-Holmes is using it to his advantage, or some other reason that leaves her quite innocent and open to betrayal. Ryuunosuke will be unaware of this, but gradually find clues that "Holmes" is not who he says he is, until he learns that Holmes really IS entirely fictitious. When he confronts False Holmes about it, it's revealed False Holmes has been the mastermind all along, and part of the last case revolves around capturing him. I mean, it doesn't make sense that a series that has (....mostly) adhered to reality would make a fictional character non-fiction in their universe, and all the fictional stuff has been consistently in the same category (personal abilities).