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* ''Series/DeadBoyDetectives2024'': The audience is clearly supposed to sympathise with Crystal for all the problems she faces due to the demon that has tormented her and encourage in her mission to recover her memories. Unfortunately this fails because her morality numerous occasions centering around her personal goals rather than trying to accommodate to others, she's is inconsiderate of Charles's romantic feelings despite him never being anything other than patient with her, often withholds important information until most are forced to discover it, and commits reckless actions that endanger the well-being of those who help her.

* ''Series/DeadBoyDetectives2024'': The audience is clearly supposed to sympathise with Crystal for all the problems she faces due to the demon that has tormented her and encourage in her mission to recover her memories, Unfortunately this fails because her morality numerous occasions centering around her personal goals rather than trying to accommodate to others, she's is inconsiderate of Charles's romantic feelings despite him never being anything other than patient with her, often withholds important information until most are forced to discover it, and commits reckless actions that endanger the well-being of those who help her.

* ''Series/DeadBoyDetectives2024'': The audience is clearly supposed to sympathise with Crystal for all the problems she faces due to the demon that has tormented her and encourage in her mission to recover her memories, Unfortunately this fails because her morality numerous occasions centering around her personal goals rather than trying to accommodate to others, she's is inconsiderate of Charles's romantic feelings despite him never being anything other than kind and patient with her, often withholds important information until most are forced to discover it, and commits reckless actions that endanger the well-being of those who help her.

* In ''Series/DeadBoyDetectives2024'' the audience is clearly supposed to sympathise with Crystal for all the problems she faces due to the demon that has tormented her and encourage in her mission to recover her memories, Unfortunately this fails because her morality numerous occasions centering around her personal goals rather than trying to accommodate to others, she's is inconsiderate of Charles's romantic feelings despite him never being anything other than kind and patient with her, often withholds important information until most are forced to discover it, and commits reckless actions that endanger [[spoiler:the lives of the helpless Jenny and Niko]].

** In seasons three and four, Jasper is supposed to be a tragic character, completely broken by the loss of [[LoveInterest Maya]] at the end of season two. Unfortunately, his actions make it incredibly hard to care. In season 3, he acts like a complete {{Jerkass}} to all his friends, [[TheAlcoholic drinks himself into a stupor regularly]], and other than helping save Raven midway through the season, does almost nothing productive. This gets even worse in season 4, where he decides to spend what may be [[TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt humanity's final months]] engaging in hedonism, while the rest of the cast is scrambling to try and solve the problem. While his grief is understandable, other characters on the show also lose loved ones, sometimes [[KillTheOnesYouLove by their own hand]], without becoming so completely destructive to both themselves and others.

* The ''Series/HereComeTheBrides'' episode "Two Worlds" has Josh's LoveInterest's father, who reacts to his daughter's [[ThrowingOffTheDisability successful cataract surgery]] by whining about how she doesn't need him anymore and guilt tripping her about any independence she might achieve.

* ''Series/RipperStreet'' has Susan "Long Susan" Hart. At first, she comes off as a sympathetic brothel owner who cares for her girls. This ends in the third season when she a) helps organize a train accident that kills and injures hundreds, just so she and her partner can profit from the insurance. b) almost kills detective Reid by shooting him in the head when he gets close to discovering the truth. And c) effectively kidnapping Reid's amnesiac daughter and lying to him about it. In the end, her hanging seems more like a well-deserved end than a sad event.

** ''Series/PowerRangersTimeForce'' has many fans see Time Force themselves as this for propping up the racist government that makes threats like Ransik possible. In [[Series/MiraiSentaiTimeranger the Sentai source material]], the Rangers' superior Captain Ryuya (the analogue to Captain Logan) is [[spoiler:actually the true BigBad of the show]], and as such, it's very easy to spin the main characters' bosses as villains.

** Probably the biggest example of this would be his infamous [[NeverLiveItDown telling Fran he loved her, then taking it back]] from season 4. His justification is he was worried about how it would affect his kids if their relationship failed, and "Samson, he Denied Her," tries to spin as though he was so worried about losing her that he chose not to have a relationship. However, it comes off more as "there's the slightest chance the relationship won't work, so it's better not to have one at all," essentially the romance equivalent of [[WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons "work was hard, so we quit."]] Also, later that season, when Fran starts attending therapy to get over her need for marriage, Max basically admits he's happy for the therapist because it means he doesn't have to make a commitment; while C.C. is supposed to come off as a jerk in a later episode for implying that Max is stringing Fran along, the truth is, she's not wrong. [[note]]To be fair though, this seems to be a case on DependingOnTheWriter, as Max's reception to Fran's affections during this season fluctuates between either mild reciprocation or not giving a crap.[[/note]]

* Donna Martin of ''Series/BeverlyHills90210'' gets this in the infamous "Donna Martin Graduates" storyline. Before the prom, the school administration explicitly warns the students that having or consuming alcohol at the prom is strictly forbidden and that anyone breaking this rule will be suspended, barred from graduation activities, and have to attend summer school. So Donna gets drunk, gets the punishment... and we're supposed to feel sorry for her and see the administration as the bad guys? Um, ''no''.
** This was [[AuthorsSavingThrow later addressed]] InUniverse. Brandon had to explain to his new college classmates that the protest wasn't about Donna's right to get drunk at the prom, it was about the MoralGuardians circumventing procedure to quietly pass draconian rules.

* In ''Series/FateTheWinxSaga'', Vanessa in the flashbacks in "[[Recap/FateTheWinxSagaS1E1ToTheWatersAndTheWild To the Waters and the Wild]]", is presumably intended to be a sympathetic adoptive mother who has to put up with Bloom's teenage angst. However, in the main flashback, she seems to be extremely judgmental in shaming Bloom for having unconventional hobbies and not having friends. When Bloom is understandably offended and calls her a "basic bitch", Vanessa responds by ''taking away the door to her room''. It's hard not to see getting third-degree burns in Bloom's fire as LaserGuidedKarma.

* Maxwell Sheffield from ''Series/TheNanny'' can come off as this. Yes, he is dealing with the death of his wife and had to deal with less-than-ideal and emotionally distant parents. And yes, being a Broadway producer is a stressful job. Regardless, anytime Fran messes up something for him, no matter how minor, his response is always to yell [[CatchPhrase "Miss Fine!"]] and threaten to fire her or sometimes with implied physical abuse, even if she apologizes for it. Fran Drescher admitted she wanted the show to be like ''Series/ILoveLucy'' so he was probably doing what Ricky always used to do, but [[ValuesDissonance that kind of behavior wasn't as accepted in the '90s as it was in the '50s]].

* When [[spoiler:Tony Almeida]] underwent a FaceHeelTurn in ''Series/TwentyFour'' he was clearly supposed to be seen as some sort of TragicVillain who has had his family violently taken from him. But it's so quickly thrown in [[AssPull out of the blue]] that he doesn't come off sympathetic at all. It also doesn't look much better when you compare it to [[spoiler:Jack Bauer]]'s FaceHeelTurn period in the final season. Both of them endangered innocent people, but in completely different ways. [[spoiler: Jack]] did become a danger to others during his attacks, but only because at this point they had become so reckless that innocent people were now running the risk of getting harmed in the crossfire - the only people he ''directly'' tried to harm were [[AssholeVictim enemy agents]] the whole time. [[spoiler: Tony]] on the other hand had no qualms about killing anyone and everyone to further his goals, at one point even being willing to [[spoiler: infect a crowd of innocent men, women, and children in a subway station with a lethal virus]].

* Michael Bluth from ''Series/ArrestedDevelopment'' is clearly meant to be the character the audience sympathises with, and it works to an extent, at least in the first three seasons. But anytime he interacts with a character outside of his family it becomes apparent that he's only "the nice one" by comparison - just a quick run-down of his first few romantic relationships shows him attempting to seduce his brother's girlfriend, sleeping with his son's crush (and later blaming said brother when his son finds out), and giving a fake name to a one-night stand (and later lying to her about losing her dog when he discovers she's blind). He's also not above manipulating his relatives' insecurities to get them to do what he wants and as an employer is shown to expect everyone to be as much of a workaholic as he is, calling for long hours and weekend work even when he can't afford to pay people on time. The fact that he's most often contrasted with his brother GOB, who is largely viewed by fans as an UnintentionallySympathetic JerkassWoobie, probably doesn't help this trope.

** River Song as of the "[[Recap/DoctorWhoS32E13TheWeddingOfRiverSong The Wedding of River Song]]", in which she risks destroying the entire universe so she can save her "sweetie". Keep in mind that this ''directly'' threatens every single supporting character the Whoniverse has ever had, to say nothing of the countless innocent people who would have suffered because of her actions. She only stops once she gets assurance that the Doctor will survive her forced assassination of him, and never displays so much as a shred of remorse for what she's done. Interestingly enough, a similar scenario appears in "Hell Bent" three seasons later - and this time, the person responsible is appropriately treated as having crossed the MoralEventHorizon by the narrative.

** Renee Montoya. In her mind she might see herself as a good friend to Barbara, coming to her believing that Gordon is actually a DirtyCop who's manipulating her. But her actions in doing so are to go behind Gordon's back ''twice'' to warn Barbara without any evidence aside from two separate informants - both of whom, she knows, have strong mob ties and also have every reason to lie to her. In addition, the second time she ''broke into Barbara's home,'' which Barbara is not pleased about. If anything it looks more like she's a [[PsychoExGirlfriend jealous ex]] who's willing to latch onto any idea without evidence to break the couple up so she can get back together with Barbara. [[spoiler:In fact, when the breakup does happen, it's clear that Barbara brought it on herself by blabbing about the child snatchers earlier, before Cobblepot's return (if anything, Gordon was smart to not tell her anything about Cobblepot); Montoya was little more than the accelerator in the long run.]]

** In ''Series/KamenRiderKiva'', Mio Suzuki is forbidden to love the hero Wataru because she is forced to marry his brother Taiga for political reasons. This would indeed have made her sympathetic - had she not repeatedly put pressure on Wataru to [[MurderTheHypotenuse murder Taiga]], then tried to do it herself in front of everyone at their wedding, and sneered about killing Taiga to his own mother's face.

** Then we have Karna, another one of Duryodhan’s allies. His ParentalAbandonment, exclusion from the Kshatriya warrior class, his famous generosity, and his unmatched skill as a warrior are meant to endear viewers to him. His curse from Parashuram to forget all his advanced archery knowledge when he needs it the most, for no fault except displaying a trait which Parashuram cannot attribute to someone who isn’t a Kshatriya warrior, pushes him into [[TheWoobie Woobiedom]]. His UndyingLoyalty to Duryodhan because the latter gifted him a kingdom and formally inducted him into the warrior caste is endearing and you can’t help but feel for him when princess Draupadi rejects him as a suitor for being a “charioteer’s son”. But that said, he was taught archery so he can be a VigilanteMan taking down corrupt and evil warriors; instead, he gatecrashes a private ceremony for the Kuru princes and challenges Arjun to a duel for no reason whatsoever. He feels indebted to Duryodhan who buys his loyalty by gifting him a minor province to rule. And during the dice game, he is the one who [[SlutShaming shames Draupadi for having five husbands]], calls her a prostitute, and rhetorically asks if she could be [[ShamefulStrip brought naked before the court]]. When given a chance for a HeelFaceTurn, he refuses out of loyalty to Duryodhan and even participates in the dog-piling on a defenseless Abhimanyu. And his second curse, which actually dooms him is well deserved. He had fired an arrow into the open with no consideration for what it might hit, and it ended up killing a defenseless calf - a huge sin in Hinduism.

** Compounded by the ''other'' change from Shinken: We get to know Lauren better than Kaoru, and we find that Lauren's life has focused around samurai and symbol power training to master the sealing technique - she's basically been a prisoner of the job she inherited from her father, separated from her family and never having any friends. She tries to make friends with the rest of the team - her first opportunity to try and have friends ''ever'' - but is treated like a ReplacementScrappy for Jayden. When Master Xandred can't be re-sealed, having absorbed Dayu and gained immunity, it's not like any other case of a failed weapon or technique - this is her ''entire life'' we're talking about. It would be real nice to see ''someone'' acknowledge what it had to mean to her. We ''get'' it, guys, you really really really love Jayden. But come one, ''somebody'' give ''some'' consideration for someone whose life has been so lonely, consisting of nothing but this burden thrust on her from birth, and AllForNothing.

** It's obvious from the way her stories tend to end that the writers think Elliot is supposed to be sympathized with. Yet sometimes, she does end up looking like a jerk so [[AesopCollateralDamage other people can learn their Aesops]]. An early episode has her berating Carla for underestimating her, and not apologizing, and another has her acting high-and-mighty at her new private practice job so J.D. and Cox could learn to deal with their jealousy. In the end, even the writers noticed they had taken this too far with Elliot and Keith's relationship, where she's practically just using and abusing him, breaks up with him when they are engaged, and then laughs it off at work - they had her give a big apology to Keith a few episodes afterwards but to many viewers, it was too little, too late.

* ''Series/TheSopranos'' abused this trope a lot, especially when [[HateSink the most despicable characters]] were humanized and sympathetic to some degree. Sure, we're supposed to feel sorry for them after their [[MoralEventHorizon awful actions]]...
** The worst case of this being Ralph Cifaretto, a depraved, AxCrazy mobster. We are supposed to feel sorry for him during his [[JerkassWoobie sympathetic moments]] [[spoiler:before his death]]. However, it's difficult to side with Ralph when you realize that this is the same man who [[spoiler:killed a pregnant woman with his bare hands]].

* ''Series/TeenWolf'': A problem some had regarding Theo Raeken's redemption arc in seasons 6A and B. Theo spent all of season five being an unrepentant and power-hungry murderer, whose crimes include willingly assisting the Dread Doctors in their chimera experiments; stoically watching his sister freeze to death just so he can take her heart, as a young boy; manipulating Scott to turn him against Stiles; temporarily killed Scott when his plans went south; attacked Lydia and rendering catatonic; sacrificed his own "pack" and girlfriend for the sake of power. Season six tries to redeem him by putting him in situations where he’d team up with Scott and his pack, against TheWildHunt and Gerard's army, which even then Theo came off as more self-serving than altruistic. There are moments where they try to play Theo for sympathy, but this falls flat as Theo never shows or expresses any remorse for his past, even when called out to his face. His one genuinely good deed - taking to pain of a mortally wounded teenager - is also remarkably small fry compared to his previous wickedness, so it’s a little jarring that he’s seemingly accepted into the pack in the end.
* [[Creator/HilarySwank Deena]] from the 1996 TV Movie ''A Terror in the Family''. The film tries to portray her as a troubled teen who only lashed out verbally and physically against her parents because her mother is an alcoholic (who's still dealing with her own abusive mother), her father's emotionally distant and never wanted children, and Deena herself is being heavily influenced by her boyfriend. Unfortunately, by the time the root of her problems comes up, she had already broken her father's hand in her bedroom door, hit her mother with a phone, causing her to bleed, and upon going to juvenile detention and seeing a counselor, even making threats to claim that he touched her so they would go to jail. This isn't even figuring into what the stress of her rebellion is doing to her CoolAunt or her [[TheWoobie kid brother]] and it all ends up being for naught when the boy she was willing to give up her family for [[spoiler:turns out to have been cheating on her all along.]]

* Diana Prince, aka Franchise/WonderWoman, came off this way in [[Series/WonderWoman2011Pilot the failed 2011 pilot]]. We're supposed to feel sorry for her because [[ItsNotYouItsMyEnemies she had to leave her boyfriend for his own safety]], and her life as an ordinary person is limited. That sympathy doesn't last long when one realizes that she has a SecretIdentity in Diana Prince that she apparently only uses to watch movies and spend time on Facebook and that she's publicly known to be the CEO of Themyscira Industries which means all her employees have targets on their backs. We're supposed to feel sorry for her because she thinks a doll reduces her to a sex object. That sympathy doesn't last long when one realizes that she had approved of the doll's design before suddenly changing her mind, deliberately dresses the same way for marketing purposes, and tries to use sex appeal to get someone to open a door for her. We're supposed to feel sorry for her because she's expected to be perfect all the time. That sympathy doesn't last long when one realizes that she's not expected to be a good role model due to anything beyond her control, but due to her own decision to be a superhero. And all this is ''before'' getting into the unsavory things she does during her superhero work: namely, torturing hospitalized suspects, bullying cops who are only doing their jobs, slandering rivals with no evidence to back up her claims, and killing security guards who are just workers for hire and otherwise uninvolved in the villain's plot.

** At the end of season two, Guy of Gisborne stabbed Maid Marian to death, sending his CharacterDevelopment and [[StoryArc Redemption Arc]] [[CharacterDerailment back to square one]]. Season Three tried to turn him into a HeartbrokenBadass, ignoring the fact that for a significant portion of the fanbase, he had already crossed the MoralEventHorizon when he ''stabbed Maid Marian to death'' and thus forfeited any right to the goodwill of the audience. Even [[Creator/RichardArmitage his actor]] hated him.

* Thanks to its penchant for UnfortunateImplications, lots of characters in ''Series/{{Glee}}'' have a tendency for falling into this.
** One particularly notable one is [[DesignatedHero Will Schuester]]. His [[InformedAttribute supposed virtue]] is that he is a compassionate teacher who genuinely cares for and puts all of his students first. But it's a bit hard to see him as the sweet teacher he's made out to be after he planted drugs in a student's locker to blackmail him into joining Glee Club. And after he blatantly favors a select handful of students within his group. And after he abandons his students on their competition day to pursue a personal audition. And after he lets open acts of bullying of his own students go unreported, ''even when it lands one of them in the hospital''. And after he suspends a female student (who always dresses modestly and had suffered from bulimia in the past) from school for refusing to wear a skimpy bikini in a musical performance.

* ''Series/OnceUponATime'':
** [[GodSaveUsFromTheQueen Regina]] as of season 4. Suddenly, everything bad she ever did is the book's fault, not hers. She blames Emma for [[spoiler:seemingly]] saving one of Regina's previous victims because it inconveniences Regina to have the woman alive because she's Robin's wife. Her berating Emma and plotting to kill Marian are played as if we are supposed to sympathize with Regina. Both Snow and Henry are ''happy Marian is dying'' because it gets the woman out of Regina's way. She [[spoiler: steals Belle's heart and wipes Belle's memories of it ever happening.]] The few times someone calls her out, like Gepetto, it's not allowed to stick. And Henry, while reading the book that details all of Regina's evil acts, such as killing whole towns, declares she's not a villain.
*** Season 5 has not improved. Regina admits she enjoys that the dagger gives her power over Emma, doesn't have to really pay the price for magic when she forces Emma to use magic to save Robin's life, declares herself the savior over Emma in a manner that left a bad taste in many fans' mouths, and has added yet ''another'' village massacre to her list.
*** As of the Season 5 finale it has ''finally'' improved, with Regina actually showing remorse for having been the Evil Queen due to [[spoiler: Robin's death]] [[HeelRealization making her fully aware of how much bad karma she's accumulated due to her crimes]], and having a desire to get rid of her [[spoiler: which is fulfilled via EnemyWithout, meaning that we now have both an actual sympathetic Regina and an '''intentionally''' unsympathetic Regina - the Evil Queen - on the show]]. Unfortunately, [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot this didn't end up going the way most people thought it would]] and the complaints returned, since [[spoiler: apparently the writers didn't even want the intentionally unsympathetic Regina to go without a happy ending.]]
** Hook can come across as this for much the same reasons as Regina. The show has a tendency to ignore some of his more villainous acts and make it seem like he is a completely different person post-HeelFaceTurn than he was before it, a notion which ironically he ''himself'' seems uncomfortable with. This is not getting into the fact that he is EasilyForgiven for [[spoiler: his actions as the Dark One and killing David's father, and while it might make sense for the former when all things are considered, it does ''not'' for the latter given David's murderous rage toward King George when he thought that ''he'' had been his father's killer, and yet then just shrugs off the revelation that Hook actually did it.]]
*** Hook and Emma kissing after Hook saves her father is supposed to be charming and romantic, but a lot of fans find it a bit hard to swallow on Hook's end. The sticking point is Hook seemingly pressing Emma for the kiss due to saving her dad, basically asking for a reward for doing the right thing, even if that was not the intention. While it's meant to be a flirty little back and forth between the two, some of Hook's dialogue, such as "That's all your father's life is worth to you?", reads as accidentally manipulative. Add to this Emma originally turning down kissing him, and you have the reason a lot of fans see it as creepy instead of romantic.
** On the heroes' side, there is the way they all treat Belle. Despite seeming to value her, they show no interest in helping her at any point and ignore her problems all the time (in one egregious case, [[spoiler: ''nobody'' comforted her when she collapsed on the street in tears after Rumple's HeroicSacrifice in "Going Home"]]). This means she always goes to Rumple which backfires on her more often or not.
** Belle herself for quite a long time was seen as this too, as she was constantly excusing Rumple's actions from both the past and the present. Since the mid-season finale of Season 4, however, she [[CharacterDevelopment finally wised up]] and stopped doing this, being more than willing to call Rumple out on his behavior during his future transgressions.
** Prince Charming. He operates on BlackAndWhiteMorality and it reaches BlackAndWhiteInsanity and IdiotBall at times, especially when the villains in the middle of a HeelFaceTurn are concerned. In Season 2, his tendency to blame Regina for everything, including a wraith dragging Emma and Snow into the Enchanted Forest which was not her fault, did nothing except isolate Regina and almost make her turn evil again when she genuinely wanted to change. The Neverland arc would have also gone much smoother if he was not constantly belittling Regina and Hook when they were trying to help. It reaches its nadir in season 4B where it is he who is spearheading attempts to cover [[spoiler: what he and Snow did to Maleficent]] and even more adamant about it than Snow.
** On the flip side, Snow is often seen as having become far ''too'' forgiving and accepting of Regina, to the point where she ignores her own daughter in order to cater to the woman who ripped Snow apart from said daughter for 28 years.
** [[Literature/TheLittleMermaid Ursula the Sea Witch]] in the "Queens of Darkness" story arc. While her backstory shows that she used to be a kind mermaid until Hook stole her voice, her transformation into a monster was self-inflicted yet she [[NeverMyFault puts all the blame on Hook]]. Just as she’s about to strangle Snow, Hook brings her voice back and makes her reconcile with her father. She’s suddenly considered as good and [[KarmaHoudini free to leave the town]] even though she expresses no remorse in actively helping Rumplestilskin and the other Queens [[spoiler: to turn Emma into a villain]]. Not helping is the later revelation that she and Cruella [[MoralEventHorizon left Maleficient’s baby daughter to die]].
** Myth/RobinHood for his LackOfEmpathy toward his wife Marian. When he finds out that [[spoiler: Regina was the one who killed her before Emma undid her death]], he doesn't seem to care at all [[SkewedPriorities being mostly concerned with still being in love with Regina]]. He then starts an affair with her while Marian is in the coma. [[spoiler: Marian turns out to be Zelena the wicked witch who killed and replaced her. Once again Robin is barely concerned by the revelation and is immediately ready to move on with Regina. The only remaining obstacle is Zelena being pregnant with his baby.]]
** Emma in Season 5B comes off as unsympathetic to many fans, despite the story clearly wanting them to feel sympathy towards her. While her losing Hook is tragic and her desire to get him back is understandable, many feel like she goes a little overboard in this pursuit. The main thing for many is how she drags her whole family, including her young son, and friends into going into what is basically Hell in order to pull off a plan that most tell her won't work. Even when Hook tells her that he is not worth saving or risking their lives, she ignores his wishes and continues on with her plan.

*** One could also make the argument that Buffy's inability to kill her 'sister' was a predictable and in fact intended effect; and that more of the blame could stand to rest on the shoulders of the monks who made the Key into a living breathing person who could feel fear and the desire to live, instead of otherwise just disposing of a dangerous magical item.

* Buffy in [[Recap/BuffyTheVampireSlayerS5E22TheGift the Season 5 finale]] of ''Series/BuffyTheVampireSlayer'' is portrayed as heroic for wanting to protect Dawn at all costs, even though she knows if she fails to keep Dawn away from the [[InvincibleVillain villain Buffy admits she can't defeat,]] there'll be [[TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt unimaginable suffering and probable death for everyone and everything in existence]], including Dawn, making Buffy seem extremely cowardly and selfish.
** One could also make the argument that Buffy's inability to kill her 'sister' was a predictable and in fact intended effect; and that more of the blame could stand to rest on the shoulders of the monks who made the Key into a living breathing person who could feel fear and the desire to live, instead of otherwise just disposing of a dangerous magical item.

* ''Series/VeronicaMars'': [[spoiler:Lilly Kane is revealed to have been murdered by Aaron Echolls to cover up the affair he had with her, and though he was already shown to be a violent and AbusiveParent, he becomes an irredeemable scumbag at this point. Lilly herself however is never really presented in a negative light for what she did to her boyfriend Logan by cheating on him with his own father, though she was 16 at the time.]]

** Probably the biggest example of this would be his infamous [[NeverLiveItDown telling Fran he loved her, then taking it back]] from season 4. His justification is he was worried about how it would affect his kids if their relationship failed, and "Samson, he Denied Her," tries to spin as though he was so worried about losing her that he chose not to have a relationship. However, it comes off more as "there's the slightest chance the relationship won't work, so it's better not to have one at all," essentially the romance equivalent of [[WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons "work was hard, so we quit."]] Also, later that season, when Fran starts attending therapy to get over her need for marriage, Max basically admits he's happy for the therapist because it means he doesn't have to make a commitment; while C.C. is supposed to come off as a bitch in a later episode for implying that Max is stringing Fran along, the truth is, she's not wrong. [[note]]To be fair though, this seems to be a case on DependingOnTheWriter, as Max's reception to Fran's affections during this season fluctuates between either mild reciprocation or not giving a crap.[[/note]]

* Jade from ''Series/{{Victorious}}'' is this character overall, but "The Worst Couple" is probably the [[IncrediblyLamePun worst]] example of it. The writers want you to feel sorry for her that [[spoiler: Beck broke up with her]], but it's hard to actually do that when she acts like a spiteful bitch to everyone. Giving a ReasonYouSuckSpeech to her [[WithFriendsLikeThese so-called friends]] and breaking Sinjin's leg by running him down made the audience [[TakeThatScrappy cheer for her misery]] rather than feel sorry for her.