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* ArmorPiercingQuestion: While dueling each other, Blake demands to know whether Ilia thinks her current violent actions are what her parents would have wanted for her. Ilia bursts into tears, confessing that she doesn't know what to do any more.
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* ArmorPiercingQuestion: While dueling each other, Blake demands to know whether Ilia thinks her current violent actions are what her parents would have wanted for her. This causes a tearful Ilia bursts into tears, confessing that to confess she doesn't know what to do any more.
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* MoralityChainBeyondTheGrave: Having tried every other argument to convince Ilia that she's wrong to follow Adam, Blake finally asks Ilia if her parents would approve of what she's doing. Ilia instantly breaks down in tears, admitting she doesn't know what else to do.
* MyGodWhatHaveIDone: Leo admits to Raven how distraught he is about how he's supporting Salem, feeling that he's done things Ozpin should never forgive him for. Although she tries to tell Leo that he did what was necessary to survive, he counters it by [[ArmorPiercingQuestion asking her]] who she's trying to convince.
* MyGodWhatHaveIDone: Leo admits to Raven how distraught he is about how he's supporting Salem, feeling that he's done things Ozpin should never forgive him for. Although she tries to tell Leo that he did what was necessary to survive, he counters it by [[ArmorPiercingQuestion asking her]] who she's trying to convince.
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* MoralityChainBeyondTheGrave: Having tried every other argument to convince Ilia that she's wrong to follow Adam, Blake finally asks Ilia if her parents would approve of what she's doing. Seconds later, Ilia instantly breaks down in tears, admitting tearfully admits she doesn't know what else to do.
* MyGodWhatHaveIDone: Leo admits to Raven how distraught he is about how he's supporting Salem, feeling that he's done things Ozpin should never forgive him for. Although she tries to tell Leothat he did what was necessary to survive, he counters it by [[ArmorPiercingQuestion asking her]] who she's her who's she trying to convince.
* MyGodWhatHaveIDone: Leo admits to Raven how distraught he is about how he's supporting Salem, feeling that he's done things Ozpin should never forgive him for. Although she tries to tell Leo
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** Raven never acknowledges that it's her own actions that led to her selling Ozpin and his allies out, insisting that she did what was necessary to survive. Leo calls out Raven on this by asking her who's she trying to convince.
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** Raven never acknowledges that it's her own actions that led to her selling Ozpin and his allies out, insisting that she did what was necessary to survive. Leo calls out Raven on this by asking her who's she trying to convince.
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* ArmorPiercingQuestion: When Blake and Ilia fight, Blake demands to know whether Ilia thinks her current violent actions are what her parents would have wanted for her. Ilia bursts into tears, confessing that she doesn't know what to do any more.
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* ArmorPiercingQuestion: When Blake and Ilia fight, While dueling each other, Blake demands to know whether Ilia thinks her current violent actions are what her parents would have wanted for her. Ilia bursts into tears, confessing that she doesn't know what to do any more.
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-->'''Blake''': Humans didn't do this. ''We'' did this. Faunus. We did this to ourselves. We're just as capable of hate and violence as the humans, but I don't think any of us would jump at the chance to point that out. So why are we letting [[ANaziByAnyOtherName Adam]] do it for us? By doing nothing and staying silent, we let others speak and act in our place. And if we're not proud of the choices they make, then we have no one to blame but ourselves. This is the message Adam Taurus will bring to the world if no one stops him. But we ''can'' stop him! You have to understand that all of you are looking for simple answers to a very complicated problem, and I can't give that to you. I don't know how to make hate go away, I don't. But I know that this kind of violence is ''not'' the solution. I understand that to ask you to leave your homes and protect Haven Academy is asking you to put your lives at risk, but that's what's at stake. So I'm going, and I'll stand by myself if I have to.
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-->'''Blake''': Humans didn't do this. ''We'' did this. Faunus. We ''We did this to ourselves.ourselves''. We're just as capable of hate and violence as the humans, but I don't think any of us would jump at the chance to point that out. So why are we letting [[ANaziByAnyOtherName Adam]] do it for us? By doing nothing and staying silent, we let others speak and act in our place. And if we're not proud of the choices they make, then we have no one to blame but ourselves.''ourselves''. This is the message Adam Taurus will bring to the world if no one stops him. But we ''can'' stop him! You have to understand that all of you are looking for simple answers to a very complicated problem, and I can't give that to you. I don't know how to make hate go away, I don't. But I know that this kind of violence is ''not'' the solution. I understand that to ask you to leave your homes and protect Haven Academy is asking you to put your lives at risk, but that's what's at stake. So I'm going, and I'll stand by myself if I have to.
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As we learn, it didn't make her think about anything, so it might have made her huffy, but it didn't pierce her armour.
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** When Raven tells Leo there's no shame in selling anyone out to ensure their survival, Leo asks ''"Who are you trying to convince?"'' Raven doesn't take it well, and silently leaves.
** When Blake and Ilia fight, Blake demands to know whether Ilia thinks her current violent actions are what her parents would have wanted for her. Ilia bursts into tears, confessing that she doesn't know what to do any more.
** When Raven tells Leo there's no shame in selling anyone out to ensure their survival, Leo asks ''"Who are you trying to convince?"'' Raven doesn't take it well, and silently leaves.
** When Blake and Ilia fight, Blake demands to know whether Ilia thinks her current violent actions are what her parents would have wanted for her. Ilia bursts into tears, confessing that she doesn't know what to do any more.
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* ArmorPiercingQuestion:
** When Raven tells Leo there's no shame in selling anyone out to ensure their survival, Leo asks ''"Who are you trying to convince?"'' Raven doesn't take it well, and silently leaves.
**ArmorPiercingQuestion: When Blake and Ilia fight, Blake demands to know whether Ilia thinks her current violent actions are what her parents would have wanted for her. Ilia bursts into tears, confessing that she doesn't know what to do any more.
** When Raven tells Leo there's no shame in selling anyone out to ensure their survival, Leo asks ''"Who are you trying to convince?"'' Raven doesn't take it well, and silently leaves.
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* HeelFaceTurn: Blake manages to get through to Ilia about how wrong her support of Adam is by making Ilia focus on what her parents' would have thought of the actions she was now taking in their name. A distraught Ilia confesses that she doesn't know what to do anymore. When Blake tells the people of Menagerie that she doesn't have a clue how to make hate go away, and that as a starting point, Faunus have to stop permitting the White Fang to use violence in their name, she emphasizes that she'll stand alone against the White Fang if she has to. Ilia immediately offers to stand with her to protect Haven, triggering other Faunus to step forward and volunteer as well.
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* HeelFaceTurn: Blake manages to get through to Ilia about how wrong her support of Adam is by making Ilia focus on what her parents' parents would have thought of the actions she was now taking in their name. A distraught Ilia confesses that she doesn't know what to do anymore. When Blake tells the people of Menagerie that she doesn't have a clue how to make hate go away, and that as a starting point, Faunus have to stop permitting the White Fang to use violence in their name, she emphasizes that she'll stand alone against the White Fang if she has to. Ilia immediately offers to stand with her to protect Haven, triggering other Faunus to step forward and volunteer as well.
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* AccompliceByInaction: Calling back to Ilia's claims about humans either actively hating Faunus or standing back and letting the hate happen, Blake turns it around as part of her RousingSpeech to the locals of Menagerie, pointing out that, [[NotSoDifferent just like the humans they condemn]], they stand back and let the hate happen and are just fine with ignoring the White Fang's actions [[BystanderSyndrome as long as they don't directly affect them]], which is ''not'' going to make things better for the Faunus in the long run unless they stop Adam from razing Haven Academy.
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* AccompliceByInaction: Calling back to Ilia's claims about humans either actively hating Faunus or standing back and letting the hate happen, Blake turns it around as part of her RousingSpeech to the locals of Menagerie, pointing out that, [[NotSoDifferent just like the humans they condemn]], condemn, they stand back and let the hate happen and are just fine with ignoring the White Fang's actions [[BystanderSyndrome as long as they don't directly affect them]], which is ''not'' going to make things better for the Faunus in the long run unless they stop Adam from razing Haven Academy.
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* NotSoDifferent: Blake points out to Menagerie's citizens that Faunus are just as capable of being as violent and hateful as humans are, with her specifically explaining that the White Fang caused the death and destruction of other Faunus.
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-->'''Blake''': Humans didn't do this. ''We'' did this. Faunus. We did this to ourselves. We're [[NotSoDifferent just as capable of hate and violence as the humans]], but I don't think any of us would jump at the chance to point that out. So why are we letting [[ANaziByAnyOtherName Adam]] do it for us? By doing nothing and staying silent, we let others speak and act in our place. And if we're not proud of the choices they make, then we have no one to blame but ourselves. This is the message Adam Taurus will bring to the world if no one stops him. But we ''can'' stop him! You have to understand that all of you are looking for simple answers to a very complicated problem, and I can't give that to you. I don't know how to make hate go away, I don't. But I know that this kind of violence is ''not'' the solution. I understand that to ask you to leave your homes and protect Haven Academy is asking you to put your lives at risk, but that's what's at stake. So I'm going, and I'll stand by myself if I have to.
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-->'''Blake''': Humans didn't do this. ''We'' did this. Faunus. We did this to ourselves. We're [[NotSoDifferent just as capable of hate and violence as the humans]], humans, but I don't think any of us would jump at the chance to point that out. So why are we letting [[ANaziByAnyOtherName Adam]] do it for us? By doing nothing and staying silent, we let others speak and act in our place. And if we're not proud of the choices they make, then we have no one to blame but ourselves. This is the message Adam Taurus will bring to the world if no one stops him. But we ''can'' stop him! You have to understand that all of you are looking for simple answers to a very complicated problem, and I can't give that to you. I don't know how to make hate go away, I don't. But I know that this kind of violence is ''not'' the solution. I understand that to ask you to leave your homes and protect Haven Academy is asking you to put your lives at risk, but that's what's at stake. So I'm going, and I'll stand by myself if I have to.
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-->'''Blake''': We're just as capable of hate and violence as the humans, but I don't think any of us would jump at the chance to point that out. So why are we letting Adam do it for us? By doing nothing and staying silent, we let others speak and act in our place, and if we're not proud of the choices they make, then we have no one to blame but ourselves!
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Not an invalid example. The people of Menagerie have stood back and done nothing while Adam and the White Fang commit terrorism in their name, which does nothing but make all Faunus look bad; Blake even points this out. Plus, it's specifically stated as such on the Accomplice by Inaction main page.
* AccompliceByInaction: Calling back to Ilia's claims about humans either actively hating Faunus or standing back and letting the hate happen, Blake turns it around as part of her RousingSpeech to the locals of Menagerie, pointing out that, [[NotSoDifferent just like the humans they condemn]], they stand back and let the hate happen and are just fine with ignoring the White Fang's actions [[BystanderSyndrome as long as they don't directly affect them]], which is ''not'' going to make things better for the Faunus in the long run unless they stop Adam from razing Haven Academy.
-->'''Blake''': We're just as capable of hate and violence as the humans, but I don't think any of us would jump at the chance to point that out. So why are we letting Adam do it for us? By doing nothing and staying silent, we let others speak and act in our place, and if we're not proud of the choices they make, then we have no one to blame but ourselves!
-->'''Blake''': We're just as capable of hate and violence as the humans, but I don't think any of us would jump at the chance to point that out. So why are we letting Adam do it for us? By doing nothing and staying silent, we let others speak and act in our place, and if we're not proud of the choices they make, then we have no one to blame but ourselves!
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* NeutralNoLonger: The Faunus of Menagerie came to live there because they were fed up of fighting and struggling and just wanted to be left alone by the world. After the White Fang attack on the Belladonna family, Blake convinces these Faunus that they have to get involved in the fight otherwise what the White Fang are doing in their name is going to make things permanently worse for all the Faunus. They begin forming a militia to defend Haven Academy against the White Fang.
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* NeutralNoLonger: The Faunus of Menagerie came to live there because they were fed up of fighting and struggling and just wanted to be left alone by the world. After the White Fang attack on the Belladonna family, Blake convinces these Faunus that they have to get involved in the fight fight, otherwise what the White Fang are doing in their name is going to make things permanently worse for all the Faunus. They begin forming a militia to defend Haven Academy against the White Fang.
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* AccompliceByInaction: Calling back to Ilia's claims about humans either actively hating Faunus or standing back and letting the hate happen, Blake turns it around as part of her RousingSpeech to the locals of Menagerie, pointing out that, [[NotSoDifferent just like the humans they condemn]], they stand back and let the hate happen and just fine with ignoring the White Fang's acts of violence as long as it doesn't directly affect them, which is ''not'' going to make things better for the Faunus in the long run.
-->'''Blake''': We're just as capable of hate and violence as the humans, but I don't think any of us would jump at the chance to point that out. So why are we letting Adam do it for us? By doing nothing and staying silent, we let others speak and act in our place, and if we're not proud of the choices they make, then we have no one to blame but ourselves!
-->'''Blake''': We're just as capable of hate and violence as the humans, but I don't think any of us would jump at the chance to point that out. So why are we letting Adam do it for us? By doing nothing and staying silent, we let others speak and act in our place, and if we're not proud of the choices they make, then we have no one to blame but ourselves!
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* AccompliceByInaction: Calling back to Ilia's claims about humans either actively hating Faunus or standing back and letting the hate happen, Blake turns it around as part of her RousingSpeech to the locals of Menagerie, pointing out that, [[NotSoDifferent just like the humans they condemn]], they stand back and let the hate happen and just fine with ignoring the White Fang's acts of violence as long as it doesn't directly affect them, which is ''not'' going to make things better for the Faunus in the long run.
-->'''Blake''': We're just as capable of hate and violence as the humans, but I don't think any of us would jump at the chance to point that out. So why are we letting Adam do it for us? By doing nothing and staying silent, we let others speak and act in our place, and if we're not proud of the choices they make, then we have no one to blame but ourselves!
-->'''Blake''': We're just as capable of hate and violence as the humans, but I don't think any of us would jump at the chance to point that out. So why are we letting Adam do it for us? By doing nothing and staying silent, we let others speak and act in our place, and if we're not proud of the choices they make, then we have no one to blame but ourselves!
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[[Recap/{{RWBY}} Index]] | [[Recap/RWBYVolume5CharacterShort Character Short 1]] | [[Recap/RWBYVolume5CharacterShort2 Character Short 2]] | [[Recap/RWBYVolume5CharacterShort3 Character Short 3]] | [[Recap/RWBYV5E1WelcomeToHaven 1]] | [[Recap/RWBYV5E2DreadInTheAir 2]] | [[Recap/RWBYV5E3UnforeseenComplications 3]] | [[Recap/RWBYV5E4LightingTheFire 4]] | [[Recap/RWBYV5E5NecessarySacrifice 5]] | [[Recap/RWBYV5E6KnownByItsSong 6]] | [[Recap/RWBYV5E7RestAndResolutions 7]] | [[Recap/RWBYV5E8AloneTogether 8]] | [[Recap/RWBYV5E9APerfectStorm 9]] | '''10''' | [[Recap/RWBYV5E11TheMoreTheMerrier 11]] | [[Recap/RWBYV5E12VaultOfTheSpringMaiden 12]] | [[Recap/RWBYV5E13Downfall 13]] | [[Recap/RWBYV5E14HavensFate 14]]]]-]]]
[[Recap/{{RWBY}} Index]] | [[Recap/RWBYVolume5CharacterShort Character Short 1]] | [[Recap/RWBYVolume5CharacterShort2 Character Short 2]] | [[Recap/RWBYVolume5CharacterShort3 Character Short 3]] | [[Recap/RWBYV5E1WelcomeToHaven 1]] | [[Recap/RWBYV5E2DreadInTheAir 2]] | [[Recap/RWBYV5E3UnforeseenComplications 3]] | [[Recap/RWBYV5E4LightingTheFire 4]] | [[Recap/RWBYV5E5NecessarySacrifice 5]] | [[Recap/RWBYV5E6KnownByItsSong 6]] | [[Recap/RWBYV5E7RestAndResolutions 7]] | [[Recap/RWBYV5E8AloneTogether 8]] | [[Recap/RWBYV5E9APerfectStorm 9]] | '''10''' | [[Recap/RWBYV5E11TheMoreTheMerrier 11]] | [[Recap/RWBYV5E12VaultOfTheSpringMaiden 12]] | [[Recap/RWBYV5E13Downfall 13]] | [[Recap/RWBYV5E14HavensFate 14]]]]-]]]
->Written by Miles Luna & Kerry Shawcross\\
Directed by Kerry Shawcross, Gray G. Haddock & Miles Luna
Directed by Kerry Shawcross, Gray G. Haddock & Miles Luna
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->'''Blake:''' Why do you feel like we have to hurt people to get our way?!\\
'''Ilia:''' Because it works!\\
'''Blake:''' That doesn't make it right!
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[[caption-width-right:350:"''We'' did this."]]
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This is Ilia's entire character path through the show. It's not specific to any single episode.
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* {{Irony}}: Back in "Unforeseen Complications", Ilia publicly denounced the Belladonnas as "the worst kind of Faunus" and {{Category Traitor}}s for daring to suggest they ally themselves with humans after everything humans have done to them, declaring that Adam's methods are what the people of Menagerie should be supporting. By the end of this episode, Ilia herself decides to follow the same path as the Belladonnas and pulls a HeelFaceTurn, siding against Adam in the process.
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* {{Irony}}: Back in "Unforeseen Complications", Ilia publicly denounced the Belladonnas as "the worst kind of Faunus" and {{Category Traitor}}s for daring to suggest they ally themselves with humans after everything humans have done to them, declaring that Adam's methods are what the people of Menagerie should be supporting. By the end of this episode, Ilia herself decides to follow the same path as the Belladonnas and pulls a HeelFaceTurn, siding against Adam in the process.
