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* BalefulPolymorph: Greek gods are sore losers.
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* WideEyedIdealist: None of the adults have bad intentions, but none of them have actually thought things through, such as how raising 10,000 ten-year olds will work with less than 300 adults on the entire island.
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* WideEyedIdealist: None of the adults have bad intentions, but none of them have actually thought things through, such as how raising 10,000 ten-year olds will work with less fewer than 300 adults on the entire island.
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The Just City (''published January 2015'')
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* DeliberateValuesDissonance: The Masters of the Just City come from different eras of history, and include Roman politicians, Renaissance philosophers, and modern classics majors. They naturally have some very different ideas about morality... although they don't originally realize how deep some of their differences are.
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* HumansAreFlawed: and don't conform to Plato's idealized plan for the Just City.
* JerkassGods: Athena takes being bested in a debate just about as well as you'd imagine a Greek goddess to.
* JerkassGods: Athena takes being bested in a debate just about as well as you'd imagine a Greek goddess to.
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* HumansAreFlawed: and don't conform to Plato's idealized plan for the Just City.
City. However, characters disagree as to whether the flaw is in humans for being unable to achieve Plato's vision, or in Plato's ideas for failing to understand how real people would act.
* JerkassGods: Athena takes being bested in a debate just about as well as you'd imagine a Greek goddess to. Apollo is less of a Jerkass, because living as a human gradually teaches him to take humans' feelings into account.
* JerkassGods: Athena takes being bested in a debate just about as well as you'd imagine a Greek goddess to. Apollo is less of a Jerkass, because living as a human gradually teaches him to take humans' feelings into account.
* SwitchingPOV: The first book alternates between three first-person narrators: Maia, one of the Masters of the Just City; the god Apollo, incarnate as a boy named Pytheas; and Simmea, one of the most brilliant of the children in the city. [[spoiler: The second still has Maia and Apollo, but switches to Simmea's daughter Arete for the third POV.]]
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* ValuesDissonance: With the adults coming from several different times, several different moralities are in play.
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A fantasy book series by Creator/JoWalton with the premise that the Greek God Athena and three hundred humans snatched from across time try to create the Just City detailed in Plato's Republic in the pre-classical times on the island of Thera, using 10,000 children bought from slavers as their experimental subjects. Then Creator/{{Socrates}} shows up.
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A fantasy book series by Creator/JoWalton with the premise that the Greek God Athena and three hundred humans snatched from across time try to create the Just City detailed in Plato's Republic Creator/{{Plato}}'s ''Literature/TheRepublic'' in the pre-classical times on the island of Thera, using 10,000 children bought from slavers as their experimental subjects. Then Creator/{{Socrates}} shows up.
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* HumansAreFlawed: and don't conform to Plato's idealized plan for the Just City
* JerkassGods: Athena takes being bested in a debate just about as well as you'd imagine a Greek goddess to
* LowCultureHighTech: No one knows much about how the robots work, even the two people from the time where they were commonplace; justified, because they were philosophers, not engineers
* NoEqualOpportunityTimeTravel: The women don't go on the trips through time to get the children or the art, nor does the sole man of Asian ancestry
* JerkassGods: Athena takes being bested in a debate just about as well as you'd imagine a Greek goddess to
* LowCultureHighTech: No one knows much about how the robots work, even the two people from the time where they were commonplace; justified, because they were philosophers, not engineers
* NoEqualOpportunityTimeTravel: The women don't go on the trips through time to get the children or the art, nor does the sole man of Asian ancestry
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* HistoricalInJoke: One of Sokrates's reasons not to escape prison is that he would just end up getting himself in trouble again. [[spoiler: He's right.]]
* HumansAreFlawed: and don't conform to Plato's idealized plan for the JustCity
City.
* JerkassGods: Athena takes being bested in a debate just about as well as you'd imagine a Greek goddessto
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* LowCultureHighTech: No one knows much about how the robots work, even the two people from the time where they were commonplace; justified, because they were philosophers, notengineers
engineers.
* NoEqualOpportunityTimeTravel: The women don't go on the trips through time to get the children or the art, nor does the sole man of Asianancestryancestry.
* HumansAreFlawed: and don't conform to Plato's idealized plan for the Just
* JerkassGods: Athena takes being bested in a debate just about as well as you'd imagine a Greek goddess
* LowCultureHighTech: No one knows much about how the robots work, even the two people from the time where they were commonplace; justified, because they were philosophers, not
* NoEqualOpportunityTimeTravel: The women don't go on the trips through time to get the children or the art, nor does the sole man of Asian
* TitleDrop: Sokrates's house in the Just City is called Thessaly, a call back to his response to Crito's attempt to have him escape, "What would I do in Thessaly?"
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* WideEyedIdealist: None of the adults have bad intentions, but none of them have actually thought things through, such as how raising 10,000 ten-year olds will work with less than 300 adults on the entire island
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* YouDidntAsk: Why everyone but Sokrates assumed the workers didn't possess intelligence.
* YouDidntAsk: Why everyone but Sokrates assumed the workers didn't possess intelligence.
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* BalefulPolymorph – Greek gods are sore losers.
* DateRape – a man from the Renaissance sees nothing wrong with forcing a woman to have sex with him, even though she's protesting it is rape during the act
* DoubleStandardRapeDivineOnMortal – averted and examined, Apollo's mystification about why Daphne didn't want to have sex with him, to the point that she turned into a tree to escape him, is what kicks everything off.
* EntitledToHaveYou — Mattais/Kebes in regard to Simmea.
* GodInHumanForm – Apollo gives up his divinity to experience the Just City as a human and learn; he thinks Athena cheats by just pretending to be a human child.
* GoneHorriblyRight — Sokrates questioning everything destabilizes things
* GrewBeyondTheirProgramming – Crocus the worker robot wants to study philosophy
* HumansAreFlawed — and don't conform to Plato's idealized plan for the Just City
* JerkassGods — Athena takes being bested in a debate just about as well as you'd imagine a Greek goddess to
* LowCultureHighTech – no one knows much about how the robots work, even the two people from the time where they were commonplace; justified, because they were philosophers, not engineers
* NoEqualOpportunityTimeTravel – the women don't go on the trips through time to get the children or the art, nor does the sole man of Asian ancestry
* NotIfTheyEnjoyedItRationalization – Ikaros' reasoning why what he did to Maia was not rape. Maia doesn't forgive him; made worse by the fact that she still has to work with him.
* PalsWithJesus – all of the adults know who Athena is, even when she's pretending to be one of the children of the city
* ValuesDissonance – with the adults coming from several different times, several different moralities are in play
* WhatMeasureIsANonHuman – the question of robot sentience is a problem because the robots do all the manual labor on the island, including all of the farming
* WideEyedIdealist — none of the adults have bad intentions, but none of them have actually thought things through, such as how raising 10,000 ten-year olds will work with less than 300 adults on the entire island
* DateRape – a man from the Renaissance sees nothing wrong with forcing a woman to have sex with him, even though she's protesting it is rape during the act
* DoubleStandardRapeDivineOnMortal – averted and examined, Apollo's mystification about why Daphne didn't want to have sex with him, to the point that she turned into a tree to escape him, is what kicks everything off.
* EntitledToHaveYou — Mattais/Kebes in regard to Simmea.
* GodInHumanForm – Apollo gives up his divinity to experience the Just City as a human and learn; he thinks Athena cheats by just pretending to be a human child.
* GoneHorriblyRight — Sokrates questioning everything destabilizes things
* GrewBeyondTheirProgramming – Crocus the worker robot wants to study philosophy
* HumansAreFlawed — and don't conform to Plato's idealized plan for the Just City
* JerkassGods — Athena takes being bested in a debate just about as well as you'd imagine a Greek goddess to
* LowCultureHighTech – no one knows much about how the robots work, even the two people from the time where they were commonplace; justified, because they were philosophers, not engineers
* NoEqualOpportunityTimeTravel – the women don't go on the trips through time to get the children or the art, nor does the sole man of Asian ancestry
* NotIfTheyEnjoyedItRationalization – Ikaros' reasoning why what he did to Maia was not rape. Maia doesn't forgive him; made worse by the fact that she still has to work with him.
* PalsWithJesus – all of the adults know who Athena is, even when she's pretending to be one of the children of the city
* ValuesDissonance – with the adults coming from several different times, several different moralities are in play
* WhatMeasureIsANonHuman – the question of robot sentience is a problem because the robots do all the manual labor on the island, including all of the farming
* WideEyedIdealist — none of the adults have bad intentions, but none of them have actually thought things through, such as how raising 10,000 ten-year olds will work with less than 300 adults on the entire island
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*DoubleStandardRapeDivineOnMortal – averted {{Deconstruction}}: Of Literature/TheRepublic and of Plato playing WordOfStPaul through Sokrates.
* DivineDate: Apollo and Simmea.
* DoubleStandardRapeDivineOnMortal: Averted and examined, Apollo's mystification about why Daphne didn't want to have sex with him, to the point that she turned into a tree to escape him, is what kicks everything off.
*EntitledToHaveYou — EntitledToHaveYou: Mattais/Kebes in regard to Simmea.
*GodInHumanForm – GodInHumanForm: Apollo gives up his divinity to experience the Just City as a human and learn; he thinks Athena cheats by just pretending to be a human child.
*GoneHorriblyRight — GoneHorriblyRight: Sokrates questioning everything destabilizes things
things.
*GrewBeyondTheirProgramming – GrewBeyondTheirProgramming: Crocus the worker robot wants to study philosophy
philosophy.
*HumansAreFlawed — HumansAreFlawed: and don't conform to Plato's idealized plan for the Just City
*JerkassGods — JerkassGods: Athena takes being bested in a debate just about as well as you'd imagine a Greek goddess to
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*NoEqualOpportunityTimeTravel – the NoEqualOpportunityTimeTravel: The women don't go on the trips through time to get the children or the art, nor does the sole man of Asian ancestry
*NotIfTheyEnjoyedItRationalization – NotIfTheyEnjoyedItRationalization: Ikaros' reasoning why what he did to Maia was not rape. Maia doesn't forgive him; made worse by the fact that she still has to work with him.
*PalsWithJesus – all PalsWithJesus: All of the adults know who Athena is, even when she's pretending to be one of the children of the city
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farming.
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* DivineDate: Apollo and Simmea.
* DoubleStandardRapeDivineOnMortal: Averted and examined, Apollo's mystification about why Daphne didn't want to have sex with him, to the point that she turned into a tree to escape him, is what kicks everything off.
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A fantasy book series by Creator/JoWalton with the premise that the Greek God Athena and three hundred humans snatched from across time try to create the Just City detailed in Plato's Republic in the pre-classical times on the island of Thera, using 10,000 children bought from slavers as their experimental subjects. Then Creator/Socrates Creator/{{Socrates}} shows up.
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A fantasy book series by Creator/JoWalton with the premise that the Greek God Athena and three hundred humans snatched from across time try to create the Just City detailed in Plato's Republic in the pre-classical times on the island of Thera, using 10,000 children bought from slavers as their experimental subjects.
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*BalefulPolymorph – Greek gods are sore losers.
*DateRape – a man from the Renaissance sees nothing wrong with forcing a woman to have sex with him, even though she's protesting it is rape during the act
*DoubleStandardRapeDivineOnMortal – averted and examined, Apollo's mystification about why Daphne didn't want to have sex with him, to the point that she turned into a tree to escape him, is what kicks everything off.
*EntitledToHaveYou — Mattais/Kebes in regard to Simmea.
*GodInHumanForm – Apollo gives up his divinity to experience the Just City as a human and learn; he thinks Athena cheats by just pretending to be a human child.
*GoneHorriblyRight — Sokrates questioning everything destabilizes things
*GrewBeyondTheirProgramming – Crocus the worker robot wants to study philosophy
*HumansAreFlawed — and don't conform to Plato's idealized plan for the Just City
*JerkassGods — Athena takes being bested in a debate just about as well as you'd imagine a Greek goddess to
*LowCultureHighTech – no one knows much about how the robots work, even the two people from the time where they were commonplace; justified, because they were philosophers, not engineers
*NoEqualOpportunityTimeTravel – the women don't go on the trips through time to get the children or the art, nor does the sole man of Asian ancestry
*NotIfTheyEnjoyedItRationalization – Ikaros' reasoning why what he did to Maia was not rape. Maia doesn't forgive him; made worse by the fact that she still has to work with him.
*PalsWithJesus – all of the adults know who Athena is, even when she's pretending to be one of the children of the city
*Values Dissonance – with the adults coming from several different times, several different moralities are in play
*WhatMeasureIsANonHuman – the question of robot sentience is a problem because the robots do all the manual labor on the island, including all of the farming
*WideEyedIdealist — none of the adults have bad intentions, but none of them have actually thought things through, such as how raising 10,000 ten-year olds will work with less than 300 adults on the entire island
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A fantasy book series by Creator/JoWalton with the premise that the Greek God Athena and three hundred humans snatched from across time try to create the Just City detailed in Plato's Republic in the pre-classical times on the island of Thera, using 10,000 children bought from slavers as their experimental subjects.
The Just City (''published January 2015)
The Philosopher Kings (''publishing date June 2015'')
Necessity (publishing date TBA'')
