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*** This, too, would be a pretty good metaphor for the Stone of Scone, which is supposed to be this specific legendary artifact, but has in fact been destroyed and replaced several times. An item whose legend has grown grander than the truth, prized for legendary importance...



** The candle-changer cleans up all the dribbly bits and residue and takes them away along with the old candles. Can't have bits of manky old wax-dripping in a hall dedicated to a sacred icon, after all.

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** *** The candle-changer cleans up all the dribbly bits and residue and takes them away along with the old candles. Can't have bits of manky old wax-dripping in a hall dedicated to a sacred icon, after all.
*** The candles would lose some mass (literally going up in smoke) that wouldn't be in the drippings, but unless there are a truly unreasonable number of candles, it'd be within a reasonable margin of error for the system.
** The real question is, have the dwarves ever considered the possibility of a few Nac Mac Feegle showing up to steal the scone?


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** Two possibilities occur to me. One, Nobby is the kind of person who makes a natural lightning rod for misplaced anger. Carrot's a good man, but maybe not perfect. And two, the reasoning might be "you're Fred Colon's best friend, Nobby, why couldn't you think of ''something'' to keep him in check?" Which might well be unfair, but is at least plausible.
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* It's obvious why Carrot is angry with Colon at the end of the book, and gives him a stern talking-to before ordering him to get everything back in order before Vimes gets back. But he also seems to be furious with Nobby despite Nobby not really having any real control over the situation he found himself in, even though he was technically second in command. Was it that he essentially went on strike near the end? I've never fully understood it.
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** While it can be a euphemism, I think the point of the specific phrasing of "as she put it" is not to imply euphemism though. To me at least it reads more along the lines of the well established tactic of using Lady Sybil's words as a weapon against Vimes. Sam Vimes can argue with his boss, with kings, with the gods themselves as much as he likes, or at least disobey them by using [[ExactWords]] and creative misunderstanding...this does not extend to Lady Sybil's words which he must follow to both the letter and the spirit. It's part of their mind-games, playing a trump card of "here is what your wife said, specifically in her own words". But it's also a bit of a running gag that Havelock Vetenari treats a lot of common phrases, particularly anything colloquial or non-literal, as if he's never heard them before and/or does not understand them.
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** '''This is not a mystery in-canon so much as a mystery in-publishing.''' Honestly I was baffled by this because at one point as a child I'd read the book so many times you could open it to any page, start reading a line and I could complete it by memory, and I have ''no'' recollection of him being called Ruston. Just checked my eBook copy, my physical copy is at my parents' house and, nope, he's just called Guye. He's only called by name 4 times in the book, all in the exchange where his wife is having a go at him for his behaviour. It appears there's one edition, published by Harper-Collins as an eBook (ISBN: 9780061806759) that has that exchange, she calls him Guye the first time and then Ruston the following three times. An editing error? It was published in 2007, and my paper copy far predates that, and my eBook copy from 2009 doesn't call him Ruston either.
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*** Or one of them might be Uberwaldean for Silvertail, which is his ''wolf'' name according to ''Feet Of Clay''.
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** Sonkies aren't the only means of birth control in Discworld; much of the average witch's income stems from herbal treatments for one sexual issue or another. Angua probably makes regular use of the Uberwaldean equivalent of Hilda Goatfounder's Pennyroyal Preventatives, with or without Carrot's knowledge.

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** Sonkies aren't the only means of birth control in Discworld; much of the average witch's income stems from herbal treatments for one sexual issue or another. Angua probably makes regular use of the Uberwaldean equivalent of Hilda Hilta Goatfounder's Pennyroyal Preventatives, with or without Carrot's knowledge.
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** Sonkies aren't the only means of birth control in Discworld; much of the average witch's income stems from herbal treatments for one sexual issue or another. Angua probably makes regular use of the Uberwaldean equivalent of Hilda Goatfounder's Pennyroyal Preventatives.

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** Sonkies aren't the only means of birth control in Discworld; much of the average witch's income stems from herbal treatments for one sexual issue or another. Angua probably makes regular use of the Uberwaldean equivalent of Hilda Goatfounder's Pennyroyal Preventatives.Preventatives, with or without Carrot's knowledge.
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** Sonkies aren't the only means of birth control in Discworld; much of the average witch's income stems from herbal treatments for one sexual issue or another. Angua probably makes regular use of the Uberwaldean equivalent of Hilda Goatfounder's Pennyroyal Preventatives.
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** Vampires in Uberwald regularly collect names that are dozens of words long. No reason why their werewolf neighbors should ''have'' to stick to just one, is there?
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** It’s a little later (in The Truth), but it’s revealed that on the Discworld the Fifth Element is not aether but Surprise. The four material elements make up the universe, and the fifth lets it keep on happening. It’s a stretch, sure, but it does seem to fit with the “something that is not what it seems” aspect of the Fifth Elephant—as well as a representation of the “big surprise” that wiped out all those early creatures...
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* TP has thrown in a few sly parellels to South Africa in UsefulNotes/TheApartheidEra (in ''Discworld/RaisingSteam'', a little aside is the way goblins have their own, er, ''township'' built from reclaimed salvage outside the Ankh-Morpork city limits: the hint is that they are informally discouraged from permanent residence insode the city and can only get the crap jobs nobody else wants). Trolls might have the status of black people in the old South Africa: a defeated former enemy who are, in Dwarf-controlled areas, living in a sort of apartheid in exchange for a modicum of safety and security. Look at Afrikaaners who employed black house-staff and drivers, for instance: I'm just betting docile Trolls working for Dwarfs have to carry passes...

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* TP has thrown in a few sly parellels to South Africa in UsefulNotes/TheApartheidEra (in ''Discworld/RaisingSteam'', ''Literature/RaisingSteam'', a little aside is the way goblins have their own, er, ''township'' built from reclaimed salvage outside the Ankh-Morpork city limits: the hint is that they are informally discouraged from permanent residence insode the city and can only get the crap jobs nobody else wants). Trolls might have the status of black people in the old South Africa: a defeated former enemy who are, in Dwarf-controlled areas, living in a sort of apartheid in exchange for a modicum of safety and security. Look at Afrikaaners who employed black house-staff and drivers, for instance: I'm just betting docile Trolls working for Dwarfs have to carry passes...
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** Nope, "On the job" ''is'' a UK euphemism for having sex. Possibly not in an area local to you, troper-of-the-previous-point, but it is widely enough used to be thought worthy of inclusion in an episode of [[Recap/RedDwarfSeasonIVJustice Red Dwarf]] for a laugh.
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** The candle-changer cleans up all the dribbly bits and residue and takes them away along with the old candles. Can't have bits of manky old wax-dripping in a hall dedicated to a sacred icon, after all.
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*** It's implied that Angua started going by her middle name after running away from home, and that Lady Margalotta's use of it is because of her approval of Angua getting out and away. Considering her mother's name is "Seraphine", "Delphine" is likely to be a family name.
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** "On the job" isn't a euphemism for having sex in the UK. There is "on the game" but that refers to prostitution. Lady Sybil's just complaining Vimes is never off duty.

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**"On the job" isn't a euphemism for having sex in the UK. There is "on the game" but that refers to prostitution. Lady Sybil's just complaining Vimes is never off duty. The site you've linked to is mainly cobblers.
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