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*** I think this can all be summed up as: "The timeline's British Empire is to blame for the Draka being allowed to safely conquer the bulk of Africa prior to 1900, because it saw them as white allies who were 'civilizing' Africa; the British therefore protected them from potential threats. By 1900, the Draka have become a great power and it would be extremely difficult to defeat them. Their own ability to conquer so much of Eurasia so quickly in the 1940s was not foreseen by the other great powers of the time. Therefore, while reviled, they were not seen as a threat sufficient to justify fighting an entire extra world war to bring down. Not until such time as they had demonstrated their nuclear deterrent, at which point attacking them directly seemed ''very'' dangerous no matter how loathsome and terrifying they were." Many timelines could be constructed in which things didn't play out this way, but Stirling chose to write the timeline in which they did.
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*** Well, yes, of course i'm pretty sure there are quite a few crazies out there who would go with them. Problem is, these psychos are generally left out of most polite society for a ''reason''. Even in places like North Korea serial killers would be locked up and left in jail, not for moral reasons, of course, but because of PragmaticVillany - any government who entire upper leadership is made up out of unrepetant serial rapists and slavers who reject morality would end up chowing on themselves because, after all, they ''reject'' morality and there's nothing stopping the draka from treating each other like they treat their slaves. And as mentioned before, even insane governments like the Nazis or Pol Pot painted their horrible actions behind moral reasons - The Draka never do that, which makes all the difference in the world to convince the "average" citizen to fight for them - it's easy to get recruits when you can mask insanity behind a cause, no matter how bland and nonsensical it is, but the Draka don't have a cause beyond "Yeah, we want your stuff. And your lives". I think i should have made my headscratch more clear - it's not about ''how'' there are people willing to fight for the Draka, the question is how they are numerous and coordinated enough to form a "stable" government that takes over the entire planet by the end of the story when from a logical perspective the vast majority of the people in the world wouldn't align with them either pragmatically or ethically.
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*** Well, yes, of course i'm pretty sure there are quite a few crazies out there who would go with them. Problem is, these psychos are generally left out of most polite society for a ''reason''. Even in places like North Korea serial killers would be locked up and left in jail, not for moral reasons, of course, but because of PragmaticVillany - any government who entire upper leadership is made up out of unrepetant serial rapists and slavers who reject morality would end up chowing on themselves because, after all, they ''reject'' morality and there's nothing stopping the draka from treating each other like they treat their slaves. And as mentioned before, even insane governments like the Nazis or Pol Pot painted their horrible actions behind moral reasons - The Draka never do that, which makes all the difference in the world to convince the "average" citizen to fight for them - it's easy to get recruits when you can mask insanity behind a cause, no matter how bland and nonsensical it is, but the Draka don't have a cause beyond "Yeah, we want your stuff. And your lives". I think i should have made my headscratch more clear - it's not about ''how'' there are people willing to fight for the Draka, the question is how they are numerous and coordinated enough to form a "stable" government that takes over the entire planet by the end of the story when from a logical perspective the vast majority of the people in the world wouldn't align with them either pragmatically or ethically.ethically.
** To clarify this... who are we talking about who "willingly fights for the Draka?" There don't seem to be all that many people fighting for the Draka willingly, apart from the Draka themselves. Draka Citizens are systematically brought up in a heavily indoctrinated approximately-fascist state and taught from infancy that their ultimate duty is to fight for the Race, so that's why ''they'' fight for the Domination. The only other people fighting for them in meaningful numbers are the Janissaries, who as the name suggests are in fact enslaved and constantly watched by commissars who will kill them for disobedience. You're entirely right to say that it's hard to imagine decent people brought up in a normal society, or even a moderately unhealthy one, embracing Draka ideology and choosing to fight for them. But there's almost no one in the setting who DOES that. The people fighting for the Draka are either conscripted and enslaved, or are heavily indoctrinated believers of the horrible Draka ideology.
** To clarify this... who are we talking about who "willingly fights for the Draka?" There don't seem to be all that many people fighting for the Draka willingly, apart from the Draka themselves. Draka Citizens are systematically brought up in a heavily indoctrinated approximately-fascist state and taught from infancy that their ultimate duty is to fight for the Race, so that's why ''they'' fight for the Domination. The only other people fighting for them in meaningful numbers are the Janissaries, who as the name suggests are in fact enslaved and constantly watched by commissars who will kill them for disobedience. You're entirely right to say that it's hard to imagine decent people brought up in a normal society, or even a moderately unhealthy one, embracing Draka ideology and choosing to fight for them. But there's almost no one in the setting who DOES that. The people fighting for the Draka are either conscripted and enslaved, or are heavily indoctrinated believers of the horrible Draka ideology.
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*** Also, it's worth pointing out that "They're not a real threat, we don't have to worry about them" was exactly the same thing the Nazis and Japanese said about the United States, right before the Americans put 13 million guys into uniforms and started building ships faster than the Axis could sink them. Idiotic, yes. IdiotPlot, no.
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*** Also, it's worth pointing out that "They're not a real threat, we don't have to worry about them" was exactly the same thing the Nazis and Japanese said about the United States, right before the Americans put 13 million guys into uniforms and started building ships faster than the Axis could sink them. Idiotic, yes. IdiotPlot, no.
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*** Well, yes, of course i'm pretty sure there are quite a few crazies out there who would go with them. Problem is, these psychos are generally left out of most polite society for a ''reason''. Even in places like North Korea serial killers would be locked up and left in jail, not for moral reasons, of course, but because of PragmaticVillany - any government who entire upper leadership is made up out of unrepetant serial rapists and slavers who reject morality would end up chowing on themselves because, after all, they ''reject'' morality and there's nothing stopping the draka from treating treaching other like they treat their slaves. And as mentioned before, even insane governments like the Nazis or Pol Pot painted their horrible actions behind moral reasons - The Draka never do that, which makes all the difference in the world to convince the "average" citizen to fight for them - it's easy to get recruits when you can mask insanity behind a cause, no matter how bland and nonsensical it is, but the Draka don't have a cause beyond "Yeah, we want your stuff. And your lives". I think i should have made my headscratch more clear - it's not about ''how'' there are people willing to fight for the Draka, the question is how they are numerous and coordinated enough to form a "stable" government that takes over the entire planet by the end of the story when from a logical perspective the vast majority of the people in the world wouldn't align with them either pragmatically or ethically.
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*** Well, yes, of course i'm pretty sure there are quite a few crazies out there who would go with them. Problem is, these psychos are generally left out of most polite society for a ''reason''. Even in places like North Korea serial killers would be locked up and left in jail, not for moral reasons, of course, but because of PragmaticVillany - any government who entire upper leadership is made up out of unrepetant serial rapists and slavers who reject morality would end up chowing on themselves because, after all, they ''reject'' morality and there's nothing stopping the draka from treating treaching each other like they treat their slaves. And as mentioned before, even insane governments like the Nazis or Pol Pot painted their horrible actions behind moral reasons - The Draka never do that, which makes all the difference in the world to convince the "average" citizen to fight for them - it's easy to get recruits when you can mask insanity behind a cause, no matter how bland and nonsensical it is, but the Draka don't have a cause beyond "Yeah, we want your stuff. And your lives". I think i should have made my headscratch more clear - it's not about ''how'' there are people willing to fight for the Draka, the question is how they are numerous and coordinated enough to form a "stable" government that takes over the entire planet by the end of the story when from a logical perspective the vast majority of the people in the world wouldn't align with them either pragmatically or ethically.
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*** Well, yes, of course i'm pretty sure there are quite a few crazies out there who would go with them. Problem is, these psychos are generally left out of most polite society for a ''reason''. Even in places like North Korea serial killers would be locked up and left in jail, not for moral reasons, of course, but because of PragmaticVillany - any government who entire upper leadership is made up out of unrepetant serial rapists and slavers who reject morality would end up chowing on themselves because, after all, they ''reject'' morality and there's nothing stopping the draka from treating treaching other like they treat their slaves. And as mentioned before, even insane governments like the Nazis or Pol Pot painted their horrible actions behind moral reasons - The Draka never do that, which makes all the difference in the world to convince the "average" citizen to fight for them - it's easy to get recruits when you can mask insanity behind a cause, no matter how bland and nonsensical it is, but the Draka don't have a cause beyond "Yeah, we want your stuff. And your lives".
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*** Well, yes, of course i'm pretty sure there are quite a few crazies out there who would go with them. Problem is, these psychos are generally left out of most polite society for a ''reason''. Even in places like North Korea serial killers would be locked up and left in jail, not for moral reasons, of course, but because of PragmaticVillany - any government who entire upper leadership is made up out of unrepetant serial rapists and slavers who reject morality would end up chowing on themselves because, after all, they ''reject'' morality and there's nothing stopping the draka from treating treaching other like they treat their slaves. And as mentioned before, even insane governments like the Nazis or Pol Pot painted their horrible actions behind moral reasons - The Draka never do that, which makes all the difference in the world to convince the "average" citizen to fight for them - it's easy to get recruits when you can mask insanity behind a cause, no matter how bland and nonsensical it is, but the Draka don't have a cause beyond "Yeah, we want your stuff. And your lives". I think i should have made my headscratch more clear - it's not about ''how'' there are people willing to fight for the Draka, the question is how they are numerous and coordinated enough to form a "stable" government that takes over the entire planet by the end of the story when from a logical perspective the vast majority of the people in the world wouldn't align with them either pragmatically or ethically.
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** How old are you? Today we have literal human traffickers, psychopaths, serial killers and abusive people all over the world in many ethnicities and ages. You think the cruel bullies in high school, the source of where girls disappear, sex-addicted psychopaths who make heavy use of unwilling "prostitutes" in many scandals wouldn't fight for the Draka? In this world, in our timeline, I can name a few countries who would *love* to *be* the Draka.
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** How old are you? Today we have literal human traffickers, psychopaths, serial killers and abusive people all over the world in many ethnicities and ages. You think the cruel bullies in high school, the source of where girls disappear, sex-addicted psychopaths who make heavy use of unwilling "prostitutes" in many scandals wouldn't fight for the Draka? In this world, in our timeline, I can name a few countries who would *love* to *be* the Draka.Draka.
*** Well, yes, of course i'm pretty sure there are quite a few crazies out there who would go with them. Problem is, these psychos are generally left out of most polite society for a ''reason''. Even in places like North Korea serial killers would be locked up and left in jail, not for moral reasons, of course, but because of PragmaticVillany - any government who entire upper leadership is made up out of unrepetant serial rapists and slavers who reject morality would end up chowing on themselves because, after all, they ''reject'' morality and there's nothing stopping the draka from treating treaching other like they treat their slaves. And as mentioned before, even insane governments like the Nazis or Pol Pot painted their horrible actions behind moral reasons - The Draka never do that, which makes all the difference in the world to convince the "average" citizen to fight for them - it's easy to get recruits when you can mask insanity behind a cause, no matter how bland and nonsensical it is, but the Draka don't have a cause beyond "Yeah, we want your stuff. And your lives".
*** Well, yes, of course i'm pretty sure there are quite a few crazies out there who would go with them. Problem is, these psychos are generally left out of most polite society for a ''reason''. Even in places like North Korea serial killers would be locked up and left in jail, not for moral reasons, of course, but because of PragmaticVillany - any government who entire upper leadership is made up out of unrepetant serial rapists and slavers who reject morality would end up chowing on themselves because, after all, they ''reject'' morality and there's nothing stopping the draka from treating treaching other like they treat their slaves. And as mentioned before, even insane governments like the Nazis or Pol Pot painted their horrible actions behind moral reasons - The Draka never do that, which makes all the difference in the world to convince the "average" citizen to fight for them - it's easy to get recruits when you can mask insanity behind a cause, no matter how bland and nonsensical it is, but the Draka don't have a cause beyond "Yeah, we want your stuff. And your lives".
