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** Superman can presumably moderate the temperature that his heat vision comes out at, to avoid situations where he is unnecessarily melting the glass (and, for that matter, unnecessarily risking harming the nearby humans, who would not cope incredibly well with being in an environment suddenly heated up to 1400 - 1600 degrees C either, for what it's worth) in a way that would be unhelpful to him accomplishing his goal. Considering how many times he's heated up a gun to get someone to drop it without the gunman spontaneously combusting as a result of suddenly coming into direct exposure with 1600C heat, this is a fairly reasonable inference to make.
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** Superman (and, by extension, a near 1:1 clone of Superman) can presumably moderate the temperature that his heat vision comes out at, to avoid situations where he is unnecessarily melting the glass (and, for that matter, unnecessarily risking harming the nearby humans, who would not cope incredibly well with being in an environment suddenly heated up to 1400 - 1600 degrees C either, for what it's worth) in a way that would be unhelpful to him accomplishing his goal. Considering how many times he's heated up a gun to get someone to drop it without the gunman spontaneously combusting as a result of suddenly coming into direct exposure with 1600C heat, this is a fairly reasonable inference to make.
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* Wouldn't the mirror just melt? Glass liquefies at 1400 - 1600C, and Superman can handle temperatures much greater than that.
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* Wouldn't the mirror just melt? Glass liquefies at 1400 - 1600C, and Superman can handle temperatures much greater than that.that.
** Superman can presumably moderate the temperature that his heat vision comes out at, to avoid situations where he is unnecessarily melting the glass (and, for that matter, unnecessarily risking harming the nearby humans, who would not cope incredibly well with being in an environment suddenly heated up to 1400 - 1600 degrees C either, for what it's worth) in a way that would be unhelpful to him accomplishing his goal. Considering how many times he's heated up a gun to get someone to drop it without the gunman spontaneously combusting as a result of suddenly coming into direct exposure with 1600C heat, this is a fairly reasonable inference to make.
** Superman can presumably moderate the temperature that his heat vision comes out at, to avoid situations where he is unnecessarily melting the glass (and, for that matter, unnecessarily risking harming the nearby humans, who would not cope incredibly well with being in an environment suddenly heated up to 1400 - 1600 degrees C either, for what it's worth) in a way that would be unhelpful to him accomplishing his goal. Considering how many times he's heated up a gun to get someone to drop it without the gunman spontaneously combusting as a result of suddenly coming into direct exposure with 1600C heat, this is a fairly reasonable inference to make.
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*** Superman was trying to KILL Doomsday, so using Doomsday as a heat shield is just killing two birds in one stone.
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*** Essentially, the [=SuperClone=] is kind of what would happen if you jammed both Superman and Lex Luthor's mindsets together into the same brain and asked the result to be a superhero.
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*** Essentially, the [=SuperClone=] is kind of what would happen if you jammed both Superman and Lex Luthor's mindsets together into the same brain and asked the result to be a superhero.superhero.
!!The clone burning the bomb out of his head with heat vision reflected off a mirror
* Wouldn't the mirror just melt? Glass liquefies at 1400 - 1600C, and Superman can handle temperatures much greater than that.
!!The clone burning the bomb out of his head with heat vision reflected off a mirror
* Wouldn't the mirror just melt? Glass liquefies at 1400 - 1600C, and Superman can handle temperatures much greater than that.
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!!Killing Doomsday and how to do it
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!!Being Atmosphere-proof
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!!Alas, poor Clone
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!!PG-13?
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**That, and the film didn't have strong swears, otherwise it'd have been R-Rated
!!Tranquing Lex and a weapons check
!!Tranquing Lex and a weapons check
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!!Bringing a Gun to Fight Doomsday
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!!Clone could have just not have done it but okay
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*** Second, Clone!Superman may not have any personal codes against killing, but he's still trying to be LawfulGood. And part of being LawfulGood means helping out people when possible. I think that if a fire broke out, Clone!Superman would go help out with that. He'd help out in the most creepy way possible, but his help would be genuine. He's not putting an act or hiding any secret agendas.
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*** Second, Clone!Superman may not have any personal codes against killing, but he's still trying to be LawfulGood. good. And part of being LawfulGood good means helping out people when possible. I think that if a fire broke out, Clone!Superman would go help out with that. He'd help out in the most creepy way possible, but his help would be genuine. He's not putting an act or hiding any secret agendas.
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*** There was also the heavily implied FoeYay between Lex and the Superman clones he kept dominating.
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*** There was also the heavily implied FoeYay sexual tension between Lex and the Superman clones he kept dominating.
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** In reality, the animators were probably not well-versed in military or weapons history and the process simply went something like this: "Draw these soldiers with machine guns!" "Okay, here's a visual reference of some soldiers with machine guns." "The soldiers now have machine guns! Perfect! Shoot it!"
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** Bound in chains by Lex Luthor, the man who designed and created him. Those chains are almost certainly made of a material strong enough to hold a Superman-like being.
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** Essentially, the [=SuperClone=] is kind of what would happen if you jammed both Superman and Lex Luthor's mindsets together into the same brain and asked the result to be a superhero.
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** The [=SuperClone=] seems to have rather conflicting impulses bouncing around in his skull. On one hand, he wants to be and is trying to be a nice guy superhero who flies around helping people and saving the day, like the original Superman would. On the other, these desires are clashing with what are clearly some rather violent, angry, destructive god-complex impulses like Lex Luthor has. Nice guy superheroes like Superman typically do things like flying around helping people when they're in a jam, such as trying to get a beloved pet down from a tree. On the other hand, angry narcissists suffering from god-complexes like Lex Luthor view themselves as being completely above the petty concerns of mere mortals and resent having to descend to their level in order to bestow some pathetic charity, such as having to recover some worthless feline too foolish to get itself out of a tree for some simpering fool. So, the [=SuperClone=] saves the cat, but makes it uncomfortably clear to the owner that he's above this sort of thing, didn't enjoy doing it, doesn't want to have to do it again, and might not be so nice about it if he ever catches the same cat in a tree again. In other words the [=SuperClone=], well, doesn't exactly have all of his marbles in the same bag if you catch my drift.
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** The [=SuperClone=] seems to have rather conflicting impulses bouncing around in his skull. On one hand, he wants to be and is trying to be a nice guy superhero who flies around helping people and saving the day, like the original Superman would. On the other, these desires are clashing with what are clearly some rather violent, angry, destructive god-complex impulses like Lex Luthor has. Nice guy superheroes like Superman typically do things like flying around helping people when they're in a jam, such as trying to get a beloved pet down from a tree. On the other hand, angry narcissists suffering from god-complexes like Lex Luthor view themselves as being completely above the petty concerns of mere mortals and resent having to descend to their level in order to bestow some pathetic charity, such as having to recover some worthless feline too foolish to get itself out of a tree for some simpering fool. So, the [=SuperClone=] saves the cat, but makes it uncomfortably clear to the owner that he's above this sort of thing, didn't enjoy doing it, doesn't want to have to do it again, and might not be so nice about it if he ever catches the same cat in a tree again. In other words the [=SuperClone=], well, doesn't exactly have all of his marbles in the same bag if you catch my drift.drift.
** Essentially, the [=SuperClone=] is kind of what would happen if you jammed both Superman and Lex Luthor's mindsets together into the same brain and asked the result to be a superhero.
** Essentially, the [=SuperClone=] is kind of what would happen if you jammed both Superman and Lex Luthor's mindsets together into the same brain and asked the result to be a superhero.
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** The DC universe isn't exactly the same as the world we live in, it's basically a ParallelUniverse. It's possible that in this universe the US military was the one that developed the equivalent to the AK-47 Assault Rifle rather than the Soviet Union.
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** The [=SuperClone=] seems to have rather conflicting impulses bouncing around in his skull. On one hand, he wants to and is trying to be a nice guy superhero who flies around helping people and saving the day, like the original Superman would. On the other, these desires are clashing with what are clearly some rather violent, angry, destructive god-complex impulses like Lex Luthor has. Nice guy superheroes like Superman typically do things like flying around helping people when they're in a jam, such as trying to get a beloved pet down from a tree. On the other hand, angry narcissists suffering from god-complexes like Lex Luthor view themselves as being completely above the petty concerns of mere mortals and resent having to descend to their level in order to bestow some pathetic charity, such as having to recover some worthless feline too foolish to get itself out of a tree for some simpering fool. So, the [=SuperClone=] saves the cat, but makes it uncomfortably clear to the owner that he's above this sort of thing, didn't enjoy doing it, doesn't want to have to do it again, and might not be so nice about it if he ever catches the same cat in a tree again. In other words the [=SuperClone=], well, doesn't exactly have all of his marbles in the same bag if you catch my drift.
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** The [=SuperClone=] seems to have rather conflicting impulses bouncing around in his skull. On one hand, he wants to be and is trying to be a nice guy superhero who flies around helping people and saving the day, like the original Superman would. On the other, these desires are clashing with what are clearly some rather violent, angry, destructive god-complex impulses like Lex Luthor has. Nice guy superheroes like Superman typically do things like flying around helping people when they're in a jam, such as trying to get a beloved pet down from a tree. On the other hand, angry narcissists suffering from god-complexes like Lex Luthor view themselves as being completely above the petty concerns of mere mortals and resent having to descend to their level in order to bestow some pathetic charity, such as having to recover some worthless feline too foolish to get itself out of a tree for some simpering fool. So, the [=SuperClone=] saves the cat, but makes it uncomfortably clear to the owner that he's above this sort of thing, didn't enjoy doing it, doesn't want to have to do it again, and might not be so nice about it if he ever catches the same cat in a tree again. In other words the [=SuperClone=], well, doesn't exactly have all of his marbles in the same bag if you catch my drift.
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*** Only because he's got the edge of surprise at suddenly changing the situation (flying him up and down; disorientating him, in other words) and keeps pounding away at him while doing so. It's not like he's effortlessly overpowering Doomsday; he's still got his hands full and lessening the speed of his attack and barrage of punches in order to calculate a new trajectory would potentially risk Doomsday recovering from his surprise and regrouping. Essentially, straight up-straight down and non-stop hitting is the quickest way to deal with Doomsday while keeping him where Superman wants him.
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** The [=SuperClone=] seems to have rather conflicting impulses bouncing around in his skull. On one hand, he wants to and is trying to be a nice guy superhero who flies around helping people and saving the day, like the original Superman would. On the other, these desires are clashing with what are clearly some rather violent, angry, destructive god-complex impulses like Lex Luthor has. Nice guys like Superman typically do things like flying around helping people when they're in a jam, such as trying to get a beloved pet down from a tree. On the other hand, angry narcissists suffering from god-complexes like Lex Luthor view themselves as being completely above the petty concerns of mere mortals and resent having to descend to their level in order to bestow some pathetic charity, such as having to recover some worthless feline too foolish to get itself out of a tree for some simpering fool. So, the [=SuperClone=] saves the cat, but makes it uncomfortably clear to the owner that he's above this sort of thing, didn't enjoy doing it, doesn't want to have to do it again, and might not be so nice about it if he ever catches the same cat in a tree again. In other words the [=SuperClone=], well, doesn't exactly have all of his marbles in the same bag if you catch my drift.
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** The [=SuperClone=] seems to have rather conflicting impulses bouncing around in his skull. On one hand, he wants to and is trying to be a nice guy superhero who flies around helping people and saving the day, like the original Superman would. On the other, these desires are clashing with what are clearly some rather violent, angry, destructive god-complex impulses like Lex Luthor has. Nice guys guy superheroes like Superman typically do things like flying around helping people when they're in a jam, such as trying to get a beloved pet down from a tree. On the other hand, angry narcissists suffering from god-complexes like Lex Luthor view themselves as being completely above the petty concerns of mere mortals and resent having to descend to their level in order to bestow some pathetic charity, such as having to recover some worthless feline too foolish to get itself out of a tree for some simpering fool. So, the [=SuperClone=] saves the cat, but makes it uncomfortably clear to the owner that he's above this sort of thing, didn't enjoy doing it, doesn't want to have to do it again, and might not be so nice about it if he ever catches the same cat in a tree again. In other words the [=SuperClone=], well, doesn't exactly have all of his marbles in the same bag if you catch my drift.
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** The [=SuperClone=] seems to have rather conflicting impulses bouncing around in his skull. On one hand, he wants to and is trying to be a nice guy superhero who flies around helping people and saving the day, like the original Superman would. On the other, these impulses are clashing with what are clearly some rather violent, angry, destructive god-complex impulses like Lex Luthor has. Nice guys like Superman typically do things like flying around helping people when they're in a jam, such as trying to get a beloved pet down from a tree. On the other hand, angry narcissists suffering from god-complexes like Lex Luthor view themselves as being completely above the petty concerns of mere mortals and resent having to descend to their level in order to bestow some pathetic charity. So, the [=SuperClone=] saves the cat, but makes it uncomfortably clear to the owner that he's above this sort of thing, didn't enjoy doing it, doesn't want to have to do it again, and might not be so nice about it if he ever catches the same cat in a tree again. In other words the [=SuperClone=], well, doesn't exactly have all of his marbles in the same bag if you catch my drift.
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** The [=SuperClone=] seems to have rather conflicting impulses bouncing around in his skull. On one hand, he wants to and is trying to be a nice guy superhero who flies around helping people and saving the day, like the original Superman would. On the other, these impulses desires are clashing with what are clearly some rather violent, angry, destructive god-complex impulses like Lex Luthor has. Nice guys like Superman typically do things like flying around helping people when they're in a jam, such as trying to get a beloved pet down from a tree. On the other hand, angry narcissists suffering from god-complexes like Lex Luthor view themselves as being completely above the petty concerns of mere mortals and resent having to descend to their level in order to bestow some pathetic charity.charity, such as having to recover some worthless feline too foolish to get itself out of a tree for some simpering fool. So, the [=SuperClone=] saves the cat, but makes it uncomfortably clear to the owner that he's above this sort of thing, didn't enjoy doing it, doesn't want to have to do it again, and might not be so nice about it if he ever catches the same cat in a tree again. In other words the [=SuperClone=], well, doesn't exactly have all of his marbles in the same bag if you catch my drift.
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** The [=SuperClone=] seems to have rather conflicting impulses bouncing around in his skull. On one hand, he wants to and is trying to be a nice guy superhero who flies around helping people and saving the day, like the original Superman would. On the other, these impulses are clashing with what are clearly some rather violent, angry, destructive god-complex impulses like Lex Luthor has. Nice guys like Superman typically do things like flying around helping people when they're in a jam, such as trying to get a beloved pet down from a tree. On the other hand, angry narcissists suffering from god-complexes like Lex Luthor view themselves as being completely above the petty concerns of mere mortals and resent having to descend to their level in order to bestow some pathetic charity. So, SuperClone saves the cat, but makes it uncomfortably clear to the owner that he's above this sort of thing, didn't enjoy doing it, doesn't want to have to do it again, and might not be so nice about it if he ever catches the same cat in a tree again. In other words the SuperClone, well, doesn't exactly have all of his marbles in the bag if you catch my drift.
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** The [=SuperClone=] seems to have rather conflicting impulses bouncing around in his skull. On one hand, he wants to and is trying to be a nice guy superhero who flies around helping people and saving the day, like the original Superman would. On the other, these impulses are clashing with what are clearly some rather violent, angry, destructive god-complex impulses like Lex Luthor has. Nice guys like Superman typically do things like flying around helping people when they're in a jam, such as trying to get a beloved pet down from a tree. On the other hand, angry narcissists suffering from god-complexes like Lex Luthor view themselves as being completely above the petty concerns of mere mortals and resent having to descend to their level in order to bestow some pathetic charity. So, SuperClone the [=SuperClone=] saves the cat, but makes it uncomfortably clear to the owner that he's above this sort of thing, didn't enjoy doing it, doesn't want to have to do it again, and might not be so nice about it if he ever catches the same cat in a tree again. In other words the SuperClone, [=SuperClone=], well, doesn't exactly have all of his marbles in the same bag if you catch my drift.
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*** Second, Clone!Superman may not have any personal codes against killing, but he's still trying to be LawfulGood. And part of being LawfulGood means helping out people when possible. I think that if a fire broke out, Clone!Superman would go help out with that. He'd help out in the most creepy way possible, but his help would be genuine. He's not putting an act or hiding any secret agendas.
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*** Second, Clone!Superman may not have any personal codes against killing, but he's still trying to be LawfulGood. And part of being LawfulGood means helping out people when possible. I think that if a fire broke out, Clone!Superman would go help out with that. He'd help out in the most creepy way possible, but his help would be genuine. He's not putting an act or hiding any secret agendas.agendas.
** The [=SuperClone=] seems to have rather conflicting impulses bouncing around in his skull. On one hand, he wants to and is trying to be a nice guy superhero who flies around helping people and saving the day, like the original Superman would. On the other, these impulses are clashing with what are clearly some rather violent, angry, destructive god-complex impulses like Lex Luthor has. Nice guys like Superman typically do things like flying around helping people when they're in a jam, such as trying to get a beloved pet down from a tree. On the other hand, angry narcissists suffering from god-complexes like Lex Luthor view themselves as being completely above the petty concerns of mere mortals and resent having to descend to their level in order to bestow some pathetic charity. So, SuperClone saves the cat, but makes it uncomfortably clear to the owner that he's above this sort of thing, didn't enjoy doing it, doesn't want to have to do it again, and might not be so nice about it if he ever catches the same cat in a tree again. In other words the SuperClone, well, doesn't exactly have all of his marbles in the bag if you catch my drift.
** The [=SuperClone=] seems to have rather conflicting impulses bouncing around in his skull. On one hand, he wants to and is trying to be a nice guy superhero who flies around helping people and saving the day, like the original Superman would. On the other, these impulses are clashing with what are clearly some rather violent, angry, destructive god-complex impulses like Lex Luthor has. Nice guys like Superman typically do things like flying around helping people when they're in a jam, such as trying to get a beloved pet down from a tree. On the other hand, angry narcissists suffering from god-complexes like Lex Luthor view themselves as being completely above the petty concerns of mere mortals and resent having to descend to their level in order to bestow some pathetic charity. So, SuperClone saves the cat, but makes it uncomfortably clear to the owner that he's above this sort of thing, didn't enjoy doing it, doesn't want to have to do it again, and might not be so nice about it if he ever catches the same cat in a tree again. In other words the SuperClone, well, doesn't exactly have all of his marbles in the bag if you catch my drift.
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**** ...that's what implied ''means''. It's as opposed to explicit sexual content, which would, you know, show them actually having sex on-screen.
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No, he didn\'t. In fact, outside of Justice League War and Justice League Throne Of Atlantis, that word was never used in these movies.
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*** And the s-bomb Jimmy dropped.
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*** The reality is that they wanted the iconic death scene and for Lois to be there when it happened. In reality there are so many factors that go into where you land on the Earth that without consciously doing it he'd most likely miss the state and certainly wouldn't land within the immediate area he had just been fighting in.
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* If the cloned Superman was so annoyed about wasting time with trivialites, why didn't he just ignore the woman with the cat?
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* If the cloned Superman was so annoyed about wasting time with trivialites, trivialities, why didn't he just ignore the woman with the cat?
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** Doomsday's been pounding the crap out of Superman for the last few minutes / hours / however long, to the point where he's been vomiting blood. Since it's likely that Superman's thought processes at that particular moment aren't really that clear or coherent, could be he just doesn't have the focus or clarity to make those kinds of calculations or judgements discussed above and isn't really able to formulate a coherent plan outside of "up then down make Doomsday go splat".
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** Doomsday's been pounding the crap out of Superman for the last few minutes / hours / however long, to the point where he's been vomiting blood. Since it's likely that Superman's thought processes at that particular moment aren't really that clear or coherent, could be he just doesn't have the focus or clarity to make those kinds of calculations or judgements discussed above and isn't really able to formulate a coherent plan outside of "up then down make Doomsday go splat". Simply put, I'd like to see some of the tropers criticising Superman above try the same or similar things after they've just been in a no-holds-barred beatdown.
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** Clone Superman showed no remorse with any of his reprehensible actions, and multiple humans tried to reason with him. Become AGodAmI is kind of the reason Superman had to cut his healing short.
