History Headscratchers / StargateUniverse

** Destiny model gates are an older, simpler gate that can be mass produced by an automated ship. They do not form a network, and they don't use DHD's. Instead, they use a simpler system that simply "pings" all gates that are within its (much more limited) range. These gates weren't intended to form a permanent gate network. They were a stopgap measure that would allow the Ancients to get around until the more complex, permanent gate networks could be eastablished.

*** Shocking perhaps, but consider: Rush is just wrong or speaking figuratively to indicate "really old." Plus <i>how do we know that the Milky Way Gates in generla weren't simply replaced? The Beta Gate was the only one that could be somewhat reliably dated (though even then you can get around it) to pre-Atlantis departure.

** She could have been an officer, and then been trained as a medic. Or been a medic before joining SGC, then
she underwent officer training.

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[[folder: Gate Range, Seeder Ships, and ]]

[[folder: Destiny's limited dialing range and the seeder ships ]]

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[[folder: s2e17 Episode Nitpick, 'Common Descent' stargate destruction]]

[[folder: s2e20'Gauntlet' stargate questions]]


* Another couple "Gauntlet" questions: How were the drones able to find the Gates across the galaxy if they hadn't been activated before? Did they comb the galaxy to find the Gates, or did they detect the Novan SG teams as they scouted for colonies? And once they found the Gates, why didn't they destroy them? We already know they had the capacity from "Common Descent".
** The gates do send out signals to coordinate with each other. The drones could have tracked them through that. They don't destroy the gates because they're trying to destroy Destiny. They are capable of basic reasoning. Destroying the gates would keep Destiny from using them, thereby betraying its presence.
** That doesn't explain why they didn't destroy them before Destiny turned up. After all, the seed ship was undiscovered until the Ramming episode and there doesn't "have" to be a follow up ship in any case. Why would a destroy all technology focused drone, leave really advance technology where anyone could find it (the gates) just on the off chance it might help them find someone who they don't even know is coming.
** They didn't treat the gates as advanced technology before Destiny started using them. With no energy signature being given off, the drones would never recognize it as such. The connection signal is weak enough that they don't detect it normally, so they could only have recently discovered it.

[[folder: Ninth Chevron Why]]

* Okay, so if the purpose of the Ninth Chevron is to dial Destiny... Why does every gate have one? If you need an entire planet made out of Naquadria to dial it, why have EVERY stargate equipped with a ninth chevron? The 8th one makes sense. You just need a small doodad made from scrap and a staff weapon's power cell to dial that. Presumably the ancients had plenty of power sources (not even limited to a ZPM) to dial those. On top of that, why does the 9th chevron require an algorythm to dial? Why build a ninth chevron in EVERY gate, but not put the required software for it in the DHD?
** They did it for the same reason they had an 8th chevron on every gate, but leaving the required software to dial that in every DHD. So that any gate could potentially dial the ship (just like any gate can potentially dial another galaxy). For all we know, the Ancients did have a piece of equipment (like a ZPM for the 8th chevron), that would provide the power to a stargate and allow the 9th Chevron to be dialed.
** The algorithm is made by SG personnel. We have yet to see anyone attempt to dial the 9th Chevron with a DHD. Every gate that's attempted it thus far has done computerized dialing. And since SGC needed an algorithm to dial Atlantis, it doesn't seem that far-fetched to me...
*** SGC didn't need an algorythm to dial Atlantis. They needed the gate address (actually they needed 1 symbol, they were assuming it was a 7 symbol adress till "Rising" where Daniel saw they adress they had was just incomplete). The question of why they needed an algorithm to dial the ninth chevron while a DHD could not do the job is never answered. That raises a new question: Where DID they get the address for Destiny?
*** [[labelnote:Okay, you lost me...]]The algorithm I am speaking of is the program the SG personnel enter into the dialing computers to activate and dial out at the SGC(which they used to dial Atlantis), Icarus, and any other base that they remove the DHD from the stargate... what algorithm are you talking about?[[/labelnote]]The question hasn't been answered because it hasn't been necessary to ask it yet. No one has attempted to dial nine symbols on a DHD, so there is no evidence that it could not do the job as you suggest. They got the address from an Atlantis database. They said that in the pilot.
*** The one Eli solved in the pilot that got him hired for the SGC/Icarus. If they had the address, why did they need that? Why couldn't they just punch the address on the DHD of the gate of the Icarus planet ?
*** That algorithm was not for dialing the address itself, but for calculating the exact power needed and how to regulate it for a successful connection, WITHOUT blowing up the planet. Unfortunately the Lucian Alliance added a little surprise orbital bombardment variable into the equation, and we all know how that turned out.
** We don't know the purpose of the ninth chevron is to dial Destiny. We know that of all the possible nine chevron combinations, the one we know dials Destiny's gate. For all we know there are other nine chevron addresses that work or given the fact that every single gate has nine chevrons perhaps each gate has it's own individual nine chevron address that works irregardless of physical location
** What do you mean why does every stargate have a 9th chevron? Every stargate has far more than 9 chevrons, have you seen a dial home device? There's tons of them, since there are many stargates in each system, requiring a large variety of addresses.
*** You're confusing chevrons with stellar coordinates. The chevrons aren't the digits in a gate address, but rather the slots that can hold a digit. Each gate is shown to have nine chevrons, but usually only locks in seven of them.
** The answer is simple: the ninth chevron wasn't build specifically with Destiny in mind, but to allow for dialing individual stargates. That is, rather than dialing a location (which can be messed up if a ship with a stargate onboard is orbiting a planet with a stargate) you dial a specific gate no matter where it is or its proximity to another stargate. The Ancients probably had other ships with stargates onboard, but instead of flying to an inhabited planet and dialing from there they wanted to dial in no matter where the ship was. Think how useful a shipboard stargate would be in a war if you could resupply a ship in deep space rather than at a planet. Or use it like the Asuran gate weapon; it doesn't matter if the target planet's stargate is active or not—in fact with a ninth chevron gate it doesn't even need to be on the gate network! Imagine the shock of using one of those against an enemy in an area that isn't supposed to have a gate address. It's an incredible force multiplier if all you need is an FTL ship big enough to carry a stargate and suddenly that ship can function as an aircraft carrier or missile cruiser the size of the biggest military base. And the power requirements are probably not normally that much of a concern if the ship you're dialing is in the same galaxy as you. It's just that Destiny was ''so far away'' that they needed the special planet to reach it.
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** Joseph Mallozzi's blog has stated that the "leather" couches were on the ship when they got there, and are made of a high tech material that looks a bit like leather, but will last a very long time.

[[folder: s2e18 episode nitpick 'Epilogue']]
* Who, exactly, went with Brody to found Futura? Every single other character shown in ''Epilogue'' seems to be on Young's side. Becker and Morrison don't appear in the episode, and I'd definitely buy that Morrison would go with Brody, but two men founding a country doesn't make for very strong children. They might have gotten a bunch of the crew's children and grandchildren to come with them, which is funny considering the last we see of Novus!Brody is a GrumpyOldMan "kids these days get off my lawn" speech.
** Kids and teenagers are very (almost shockingly) easy to manipulate through the right propaganda or by promising the right incentives; one of the reasons why most suicide bombers happen to be young men or why teenagers are statistically most likely to be coerced by the mass-media to buy certain products. I can see Brody easily managing to convince the young to follow him if he promised them power, money or food in his new settlement. That is, after all, exactly the way Hitler and Lenin managed it. Like you say its very unlikely he could have ever convinced most of the original Destiny expedition to support him because nearly all of them held firm allegiances with either Young or Wray and he never appeared to be that popular amongst them anyway.
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* Did the Novus!Crew take the stones with them? Would the stones have contacted the ancients if they used them (we ''are'' talking 2000 years in the past).
** Considering the Ancients left ''10'',000 years in the past, no.
** But there were still some around during the time of the Romans.
*** Was this in an Expanded Universe novel or video game? because I honestly can't recall a single mention of surviving Ancients around 0 BC... in fact seeing as the Romans existed alongside the Ancient Egyptians that would put them during or just after Ra's conquest of Earth. I would think that the surviving Ancients would be more concerned with fending off the legions of Jaffa than communicating with some obscure colony of people claiming to be from the future.
*** Nope, it was in the main series. Ianus(the inventor of the time machine), is actually the roman god of gates, doors and time. They also interbred with humans, which explains why some humans have the ancient activation gene. They apparently just ignored the goa'uld on earth, like the asgard presumably did as well.
*** You're actually mistaken... The Ancients were all ascended(or dead) ''many'' years prior to the Goa'uld arriving. The Ancients from Earth died of a disease(or ascended). The Ancients fleeing from Atlantis arrived on Earth at around 10k BC, they intermingled with humans to give the activation gene, yes. But they were all dead by the time the Goa'uld arrived on Earth. The only Ancients who were on Earth following the Goa'uld invasion, had descended from their energy form and died as "normal" people(because they were going to "meddle"). Like Merlin and Morgana. Just because Ianus used his machine to ''visit'' doesn't mean that any Ancients were actually alive during the time of the Goa'uld.[[note]]Not unless you're also saying that because O'Niell and Co ejected Ra from Earth, that the SG teams have been in existence for 2k years...[[/note]]
*** They arrived 10k years (8k BC) ago, but were apparently around for a significant amount of time afterwards, though it is a bit unclear for how long exactly (in fact, the only way for the timeline of the alliance of the four great races to make sense is if it formed after the ancients came back). Way back in the second season (episode: the fifth race), Dr. Jackson identified them as the roman gods, which implies they would have still been around during at least part of the roman empire.
*** You're mistaken again... The four races are the Furlings, Nox, Asgard, and Ancients. The alliance between them could have been as far back as ~50 Million years ago(When the Ancients arrived in the Milky Way Galaxy)... The only knowledge we really have of the alliance itself is that it ended when the last of the Ancients died out/ascended(which was ~10k years ago). The Ancients who arrived on Earth after fleeing the Pegasus Galaxy intermingled with the humans on Earth, but for the kept a low profile because the Goa'uld were in charge of Earth until Ra's eviction 5k years later. Their status as being considered Gods does ''not'' mean that they existed for all that time. Especially considering that some, like Merlin, are known to have descended to carry out last wishes on Earth.
*** The asgard hadn't developed hyperdrive until 30000 years before the series takes place, which puts a big limit on that timeframe, since the ancients were in the pegasus galaxy at that time. Concidering the asgard are not mentioned as ever having helped fighting the wraith, it would definately imply the alliance wasn't until after the remaining ancients came back.
*** Its always been an issue where the Asgard, Nox and Furlings were during the Wraith wars and the Milky Way plague. This brings me back to one of my Stargate SG-1 Headscratchers about just how useless they actually were compared to the Ancients if the latter could already build Destiny level ships millions of years beforehand - the most likely idea that has arisen from the discussion is that the Asgard were actually at a Tau'ri level of development during that time with the Nox remaining neutral due to being pacifists (who the hell knows with the elusive Furlings.) My point is, just because we don't hear of them during this period doesn't necessarily mean the Alliance didn't exist yet. It also has to be said that IF the unlikely chance of Roman Ancients was true, they couldn't have had much technology left considering that there were two SG teams comprised of identical people running around with Time Jumpers and stealing ZPM's right underneath their noses.
*** To answer the initial question, no, the Novus!Crew did not bring the communication stones with them as the other Rush is seen using the stones to connect with Earth after the Novus!Crew goes through, but before we know they survived.

[[folder: s2e19'Blockade' Nitpick]]
* Question: Given that we've seen Destiny charge off of odd stars before, why not, after killing a command ship, '''RECHARGE AT THE STAR IN THE SYSTEM'''?
** It's explained in "Blockade" that Destiny can only recharge off of red dwarf stars, because they are the only stars that are safe enough to fly through without getting the entire crew roasted. Flying through any star hotter than that puts the crew and the ship at serious risk.
** That and they weren't in dire need of power. The long stretch to the next galaxy was a strain on power because of the distance and damage to the ship. A refuel, at best, would have put a few extra hours on the clock.
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[[folder: s2e20'Gauntlet' nitpicks]]
* In ''Gauntlet'' Rush tells Eli that he's come a long way from the slacker he met a year ago. I thought one ''Stargate'' season was the equivalent of a year of real time, so shouldn't the length of time between ''Air Part 1'' and ''Gauntlet'' be ''two'' years?
** No, they've been pretty clear only one year has passed. All the breaks and the more serialized nature of the show prevent them from making such large timeline gaps.

* [[WhatHappenedToTheMouse Where did Koz go?]] He was one of the few remaining LA survivors on the ship, appearing in several episodes, and wasn't with the hunting party that wiped out all of the others, yet it's stated that Varro is the last of the boarding party. This is rather bothersome when the writing seemed to make a conscious effort to give him a bit more development than the standard Lucian Redshirt.

* Gauntlet: Why add the double cliffhanger to the final episode when the show's been cancelled? I get that there's a whole late notice thing, but seriously was there no way to pad 5 mins into the last episode and remove the whole the last pod is broken "cliffhanger"? Wasn't the whole could be 3 years, could be 1000, could fail and the Drones still get us enough for a last episode ever situation?
** By the time they had found out the news, the episodes had already been produced and were waiting for airing. Presumably, Syfy has a thing against editing episodes of cancelled shows once they're done.

* Gauntlet: Why can't two people go into one pod? They're definately big enough. It's a two line question and answer to say the pods can't work with two in, but it looks like idiocy the way they ignore it.
** According to interviews with the writers, they were leaving that very solution open as a possibility to have Eli survive the trip. But since a third season didn't happen, we never saw this. (And it was one of several ideas they'd come up with.)

[[folder: Original Purpose of the Destiny]]

* What was the Ancient's original plan? They use the Icarus planet to catch up with Destiny... and then what? Were they planning on using the sun powering the gate? Or were they just planning to stay? Or just hoping they built zpm level power sources before going through? It all seems very poorly planned to send the ship out and then figure out all the logistics of getting back and forth.
** Since they planned to bring Destiny's findings to the rest of their civilization, the logical way to do that would be through its stargate. I don't think using an Icarus-style planet was their original plan- that was just the only suitable power source Stargate Command had access to. The Ancients probably had access to much better power sources, even back then. I'd bet if Destiny's batteries weren't so degraded by the time the humans got to it, they could power a gate back to Milky Way without camping on a star.
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* In the episode ''Common Descent'' we are introduced to a purple fruit that, like most food the Destiny crew find, tastes disgusting. However Camille and Chloe claim they have discovered some special properties that they absolutely refuse to reveal to Eli... is that some kind of sexual reference I'm simply not understanding or are there really some advanced medicinal properties to this fruit? if so, not only is it unlikely that these two non-scientist non-medical women could have discovered these features over TJ or any of the science team but it's also being pretty damn selfish that they don't feel the need to share this use to the rest of the crew.
** I watched it again, the way they were talking about it seemed quite 'flirty', and Chloe obviously didn't want to tell Eli which means it's likely something sexual like an aphrodisiac or even as a [[ADateWithRosiePalms 'tool']], due to his crush on her Chloe wouldn't be comfortable telling Eli that it makes the sex with the Scott even better for example.
** Considering that Camille is a lesbian with no girlfriend on board, the fruit is probably either a mild drug, something like pot, or possibly has a more mundane use, like hair dye or make up. Chloe does have colored hair late in the season.

[[folder: Lucian Alliance spy: how]]
##i'm 99% sure this is someone's reading comprehension failure again
* How does the Lucian Alliance manage to have plants in Homeworld Command and other Taur'i installations? Doesn't anyone question the airman that gets hired despite having no papers? What happened to background checks? Heck, you'd think someone who is ''not from earth'' would be easily noticed.
** Well, it is implied he was a pilot who tried to leave building, but was trapped. (I actually think he was suicide bomber but didn't know that)
** Most of the plants are Tauri who were captured and brainwashed into being Lucian Alliance agents. The airman in ''Alliances'' is likely the pilot of the Lucian Alliance ship, rather than a plant. If he was a plant, then where ''is'' the pilot of the ship?
*** Remember the Za'tarcs in SG-1? People who were captured and exposed to the Goa'uld memory technology, programmed to assassinate someone on a specific trigger, and then had it covered with a false memory? And they'd go suicidal if someone tried to stop them? Since the downfall of the Goa'uld, the Lucian Alliance now has access to that technology. They used it on Telford and turned him into an (unwilling) mole. The only person who has ever been shown to be able to resist it is Teal'c (and even he succumbed to it at least once earlier in SG-1).
** He's stated to have been the pilot, he had intended to land, arm the bomb and walk out. Most security measures don't care about people leaving, only about people entering. After all, if someone is leaving, they've obviously managed to legitimately access the facility, so why should security care about them?
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[[folder: s2e15 'Seizure' decision ethics + Jonas Quinn Q]]
* "Seizure". OK, I can see ''somebody'' coming up with a plan to [[spoiler: bodysnatch the Langarans]] and [[spoiler: commandeer their 'Gate]]. And it might even get kicked up the chain of command for consideration. But...O'Neill ''approving'' it? This is ''exactly'' the kind of thing the NID used to do all the time, for cryin' out loud! There's no way in Sokar's realm that the old O'Neill would ever agree to the execution of such a plan. Bad, bad character derailment for O'Neill here. (Also, [[spoiler: not even a single mention of Jonas?]] Shame, shame.)
** Yeah, because the fact that the Alliance, who had just recently come within a hair of nuking DC, may have allied with the Langarans [[SarcasmMode was in no way a factor]]. This is not the first or last time O'Neill has made a morally questionable decision because the alternative could have been far worse. Just look at Fifth.


* Where was Jonas Quinn during the episode ''Seizure?'' if anyone was going to convince the Langaran Council to let the Destiny try their plan it would surely be him. The only reason I can think of is that he died during the Ori invasion, but you would think that the death of a former SG-1 team member would have warranted a throwaway line ''somewhere'' down the line.

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[[folder: e2e16 'The Hunt' Nitpicking]]
* "The Hunt". Let's leave the godawful "tracking through the forest" be. Varro's entire team of redshirts, who he's presumably gotten to known due to their shared past in the Lucian Alliance, gets [[spoiler: killed off by a random predator.]] These are guys he's worked with for years. He's probably gotten to know their names, their families, etc. He doesn't even blink. What's up with that?
** The Lucian Alliance sounds like a God-forsaken place, so he might be used to all the death.
** More importantly, this isn't a change for Stargate. All three series try as hard as possible to kill off every extra they can.
** As well, consider the sort of environment that's been established for the LA. Dannic and Kira and their superiors killed people who failed them, forcefully constripped people, and overall treated their people as expendable resources. In that sort of place, it's possible that Varro and the other survivors simply became desensitived to each other and avoided any sort of connection beyond a working one. Also, at least while they were still in danger, it's a bad idea to get emotional as you want to focus on survival and such rather than debilitated by emotion.
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[[folder: s2e13 Episode Question: nope its a storytelling complaint again]]

* So, in ''Alliances'', we have Wray and Greer trapped inside Homeworld Command after some Lucian Alliance [[WhatDoYouMeanItsNotPolitical terrorist]] crash-landed, taking down a chunk of the building. Then, they are the only ones that can defuse the bomb. ''Why didn't someone beam them out, and beam a bomb disposal unit in?'' Honestly, the fact that they keep "forgetting" that the Tau'ri are now the most advanced race in the galaxy (except for perhaps the Nox, and the Furlings if they're still around) is what takes the cake.
** The only Asgard beaming technology SGC controls are currently in their ships. We have no idea where those ships are. If none are in orbit of Earth, then there isn't a way for them to do what you suggest.
*** At least one of those ships is guarding Earth. Especially since they're expecting a Lucian Alliance attack.
*** They expect a Lucian Alliance attack. They don't know where the attack will take place. Perhaps the ships are called away from Earth for the purpose of defending a "more likely" target.
*** Nah, they were expecting an attack on Earth, it's stated all over the past two seasons. Also, they would never leave Earth undefended and send all their ships to, say, the Alpha Site. Even considering that that is a rather boneheaded thing to do, there's always the possibility that they were fed misinformation, as a ruse to leave Earth unprotected. No, the beaming technology was "forgotten" for the same reason transporters broke down so often in Star Trek: it's a plot-killer.
*** "Never" is not a word one wants to use. There are only four 304s in existence at the moment (assuming the Sun Tzu was destroyed by the ZPM Hive ship.). In the fight against the ZPM Hive ship, two of those 304s were crippled. The Hammond is functional, and the Deadalus is/was on a Secret Mission (what the mission is, and whether it ended is unknown). Depending on whether the Apollo and Odyssey are repaired, this matters... If the Lucian Alliance launches an attack on the Tokra, or Jaffa Free Nation, SGC would be obligated to send a 304 (or multiple, if they are available) to help defend. There are many different reasons why there would be no 304 in orbit of Earth. But just because none are, does not mean Earth is defenseless. Just that they have no vessel with the Asgard beaming technology.
*** Sun Tzu wasn't destroyed. It was disabled. It's crew had to evacuate to Apollo because they were loosing atmosphere. Presumably it may be repaired. Odyssey was the one on a secret mission (Caldwell and the Daedalus were in Pegasus, they presumably returned to earth via FTL, which would have taken three weeks. With Atlantis on earth. there's no reason for them to go back to Pegasus). Still, it's been in story over a year since enemies at the gate, so I doubt Odyssey is still gone, and Earth has no obligation to send all it's ship to defend the Jaffas or Tok'ras (not like THEY ever sent a Mothership to defend earth). SGC would no doubt send SG teams and supplies, but there's nothing forcing them to remove their last ship, knowing an attack on them is imminent. Considering that the whole plot being Simeon killing Ginn revolved around the fact that they ''knew'' an attack on earth was coming, I doubt they would ever leave earth without a cruiser, no matter how many Jaffa bases were attacked..
*** "I doubt they would ever leave earth without a cruiser" They already ''have'' left earth without a cruiser for defense. Multiple times. Thinking that they would do so again is not an insane thought. The reason ''why'' can be a problem, but there are satisfactory explanations for why such an event could occur in the present and/or future.
*** I think it safe to assume that all strategic locations on Earth are protected from beaming with most reliable system ever. Because noone wants to secret documents and high-ranked officer to be beamed by some moron who got his hands on beaming technology. Because all morons this days has beaming technology.
*** Why would their site be protected from their own beaming technology? While certain areas have stuff preventing sensor locks (The gate room in the SGC has that) why would you make a scrambler your own ships can't go through if it's an emergency?
*** Because they are. Carter specifically mentioned it in a pilot. And how exactly can you make counter-beaming discriminate?
** That was something I wondered about too. Now, if they do have 'transport scramblers, that would make sense...but why not turn them off? Of course, it's entirely possible they had all the ships called off on duty elsewhere - perhaps a diversionary attack? - but regardless of the reason, it's sloppy scriptwriting. They could have explained things/lampshaded it entirely with one line of dialogue by Telford. "All our ships are away" / "We can't turn the transport blockers off". But nooooooooo...
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[[folder: s2e18 episode nitpick 'Epilogue']]
* Who, exactly, went with Brody to found Futura? Every single other character shown in ''Epilogue'' seems to be on Young's side. Becker and Morrison don't appear in the episode, and I'd definitely buy that Morrison would go with Brody, but two men founding a country doesn't make for very strong children. They might have gotten a bunch of the crew's children and grandchildren to come with them, which is funny considering the last we see of Novus!Brody is a GrumpyOldMan "kids these days get off my lawn" speech.
** Kids and teenagers are very (almost shockingly) easy to manipulate through the right propaganda or by promising the right incentives; one of the reasons why most suicide bombers happen to be young men or why teenagers are statistically most likely to be coerced by the mass-media to buy certain products. I can see Brody easily managing to convince the young to follow him if he promised them power, money or food in his new settlement. That is, after all, exactly the way Hitler and Lenin managed it. Like you say its very unlikely he could have ever convinced most of the original Destiny expedition to support him because nearly all of them held firm allegiances with either Young or Wray and he never appeared to be that popular amongst them anyway.

[[folder: Age of the Destiny]]
* Rush says that Atlantis is 'nearly a million years old' (or something similar) but the ship is primitive compared to Atlantis - Destiny predates ATA gene technology, and the shuttles are technologically a downgrade from the Puddle Jumpers. But Atlantis left Earth 'several million years ago, so what's going on?
** Rush might just be guessing wildly. They've just landed on a spaceship, to their total surprise, and they can't exactly carbon date anything or access most of the systems. Also, he's a math guy, not an archeologist.
** Part of the reason that Destiny can only dial the gates it's closest to is that its Stargate is one of the oldest that SGC has ever encountered.
** Creator Joe Mallozzi has said that "Dr. Rush may have misspoke" in regards to how old the Destiny is.
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[[folder: s2e17 colony genetic diversity]]

[[folder: S2e16'The Hunt' Nitpicking]]

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[[folder: s2e10'Gauntlet' nitpicks]]

[[folder: s2e16 Episode 'Common Descent' weird implications fruit]]
* In the episode ''Common Descent'' we are introduced to a purple fruit that, like most food the Destiny crew find, tastes disgusting. However Camille and Chloe claim they have discovered some special properties that they absolutely refuse to reveal to Eli... is that some kind of sexual reference I'm simply not understanding or are there really some advanced medicinal properties to this fruit? if so, not only is it unlikely that these two non-scientist non-medical women could have discovered these features over TJ or any of the science team but it's also being pretty damn selfish that they don't feel the need to share this use to the rest of the crew.
** I watched it again, the way they were talking about it seemed quite 'flirty', and Chloe obviously didn't want to tell Eli which means it's likely something sexual like an aphrodisiac or even as a [[ADateWithRosiePalms 'tool']], due to his crush on her Chloe wouldn't be comfortable telling Eli that it makes the sex with the Scott even better for example.
** Considering that Camille is a lesbian with no girlfriend on board, the fruit is probably either a mild drug, something like pot, or possibly has a more mundane use, like hair dye or make up. Chloe does have colored hair late in the season.

[[folder: s2e16 Episode 'Common Descent']]
* Did the Novus!Crew take the stones with them? Would the stones have contacted the ancients if they used them (we ''are'' talking 2000 years in the past).
** Considering the Ancients left ''10'',000 years in the past, no.
** But there were still some around during the time of the Romans.
*** Was this in an Expanded Universe novel or video game? because I honestly can't recall a single mention of surviving Ancients around 0 BC... in fact seeing as the Romans existed alongside the Ancient Egyptians that would put them during or just after Ra's conquest of Earth. I would think that the surviving Ancients would be more concerned with fending off the legions of Jaffa than communicating with some obscure colony of people claiming to be from the future.
*** Nope, it was in the main series. Ianus(the inventor of the time machine), is actually the roman god of gates, doors and time. They also interbred with humans, which explains why some humans have the ancient activation gene. They apparently just ignored the goa'uld on earth, like the asgard presumably did as well.
*** You're actually mistaken... The Ancients were all ascended(or dead) ''many'' years prior to the Goa'uld arriving. The Ancients from Earth died of a disease(or ascended). The Ancients fleeing from Atlantis arrived on Earth at around 10k BC, they intermingled with humans to give the activation gene, yes. But they were all dead by the time the Goa'uld arrived on Earth. The only Ancients who were on Earth following the Goa'uld invasion, had descended from their energy form and died as "normal" people(because they were going to "meddle"). Like Merlin and Morgana. Just because Ianus used his machine to ''visit'' doesn't mean that any Ancients were actually alive during the time of the Goa'uld.[[note]]Not unless you're also saying that because O'Niell and Co ejected Ra from Earth, that the SG teams have been in existence for 2k years...[[/note]]
*** They arrived 10k years (8k BC) ago, but were apparently around for a significant amount of time afterwards, though it is a bit unclear for how long exactly (in fact, the only way for the timeline of the alliance of the four great races to make sense is if it formed after the ancients came back). Way back in the second season (episode: the fifth race), Dr. Jackson identified them as the roman gods, which implies they would have still been around during at least part of the roman empire.
*** You're mistaken again... The four races are the Furlings, Nox, Asgard, and Ancients. The alliance between them could have been as far back as ~50 Million years ago(When the Ancients arrived in the Milky Way Galaxy)... The only knowledge we really have of the alliance itself is that it ended when the last of the Ancients died out/ascended(which was ~10k years ago). The Ancients who arrived on Earth after fleeing the Pegasus Galaxy intermingled with the humans on Earth, but for the kept a low profile because the Goa'uld were in charge of Earth until Ra's eviction 5k years later. Their status as being considered Gods does ''not'' mean that they existed for all that time. Especially considering that some, like Merlin, are known to have descended to carry out last wishes on Earth.
*** The asgard hadn't developed hyperdrive until 30000 years before the series takes place, which puts a big limit on that timeframe, since the ancients were in the pegasus galaxy at that time. Concidering the asgard are not mentioned as ever having helped fighting the wraith, it would definately imply the alliance wasn't until after the remaining ancients came back.
*** Its always been an issue where the Asgard, Nox and Furlings were during the Wraith wars and the Milky Way plague. This brings me back to one of my Stargate SG-1 Headscratchers about just how useless they actually were compared to the Ancients if the latter could already build Destiny level ships millions of years beforehand - the most likely idea that has arisen from the discussion is that the Asgard were actually at a Tau'ri level of development during that time with the Nox remaining neutral due to being pacifists (who the hell knows with the elusive Furlings.) My point is, just because we don't hear of them during this period doesn't necessarily mean the Alliance didn't exist yet. It also has to be said that IF the unlikely chance of Roman Ancients was true, they couldn't have had much technology left considering that there were two SG teams comprised of identical people running around with Time Jumpers and stealing ZPM's right underneath their noses.
*** To answer the initial question, no, the Novus!Crew did not bring the communication stones with them as the other Rush is seen using the stones to connect with Earth after the Novus!Crew goes through, but before we know they survived.

[[folder: Original Purpose of the Destiny]]

* What was the Ancient's original plan? They use the Icarus planet to catch up with Destiny... and then what? Were they planning on using the sun powering the gate? Or were they just planning to stay? Or just hoping they built zpm level power sources before going through? It all seems very poorly planned to send the ship out and then figure out all the logistics of getting back and forth.
** Since they planned to bring Destiny's findings to the rest of their civilization, the logical way to do that would be through its stargate. I don't think using an Icarus-style planet was their original plan- that was just the only suitable power source Stargate Command had access to. The Ancients probably had access to much better power sources, even back then. I'd bet if Destiny's batteries weren't so degraded by the time the humans got to it, they could power a gate back to Milky Way without camping on a star.

[[folder: s2e18 episode nitpick 'Epilogue']]
* Who, exactly, went with Brody to found Futura? Every single other character shown in ''Epilogue'' seems to be on Young's side. Becker and Morrison don't appear in the episode, and I'd definitely buy that Morrison would go with Brody, but two men founding a country doesn't make for very strong children. They might have gotten a bunch of the crew's children and grandchildren to come with them, which is funny considering the last we see of Novus!Brody is a GrumpyOldMan "kids these days get off my lawn" speech.
** Kids and teenagers are very (almost shockingly) easy to manipulate through the right propaganda or by promising the right incentives; one of the reasons why most suicide bombers happen to be young men or why teenagers are statistically most likely to be coerced by the mass-media to buy certain products. I can see Brody easily managing to convince the young to follow him if he promised them power, money or food in his new settlement. That is, after all, exactly the way Hitler and Lenin managed it. Like you say its very unlikely he could have ever convinced most of the original Destiny expedition to support him because nearly all of them held firm allegiances with either Young or Wray and he never appeared to be that popular amongst them anyway.

[[folder: Age of the Destiny]]
* Rush says that Atlantis is 'nearly a million years old' (or something similar) but the ship is primitive compared to Atlantis - Destiny predates ATA gene technology, and the shuttles are technologically a downgrade from the Puddle Jumpers. But Atlantis left Earth 'several million years ago, so what's going on?
** Rush might just be guessing wildly. They've just landed on a spaceship, to their total surprise, and they can't exactly carbon date anything or access most of the systems. Also, he's a math guy, not an archeologist.
** Part of the reason that Destiny can only dial the gates it's closest to is that its Stargate is one of the oldest that SGC has ever encountered.
** Creator Joe Mallozzi has said that "Dr. Rush may have misspoke" in regards to how old the Destiny is.
[[/folder]]

[[folder: Meta: Cancellation and Franchise End]]
* What really killed the show and the planned Stargate (SG-1, Atlantis) films?
** SG:U was a pretty big transition from both SG-1 and SG:A. Darker, less action, less humor, MUCH more interpersonal conflict. The Neilsen ratings dropped off pretty quickly after the first few episodes. It's likely that people who liked SG-1 and SGA for those reasons might not have liked SGU, and people who *didn't* like SG-1 or SGA for those reasons wouldn't have given the show a chance due to the association.
** MGM hit bankruptcy around the same time SGU was canned. That, more than anything, is what put the next direct-to-DVD movies on hold. At the same time, the MMORPG was cancelled because its developer went bankrupt. Basically, a whole lot of things hurt Stargate at the same time, not just SGU.
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[[folder: s2e15 'Seizure' decision ethics]]

[[folder: s2e15 Nitpick 'Seizure' - Jonas Quinn]]
* Where was Jonas Quinn during the episode ''Seizure?'' if anyone was going to convince the Langaran Council to let the Destiny try their plan it would surely be him. The only reason I can think of is that he died during the Ori invasion, but you would think that the death of a former SG-1 team member would have warranted a throwaway line ''somewhere'' down the line.

[[folder: birth control??]]
##move to fridge!! there is no explanation
* So, if Chloe and Scott have sex, how do they prevent her getting pregnant? I very much doubt any condoms or contraceptives were on stand-by in the gate room.
* and Dr. Park, and any other sexually active women on the ship...
** It's possible Cloe has a more long term contraceptive already implanted that'll fail in another four or five years. Or possibly Scott's sterile and doesn't know it yet.
*** Apart from him already having had a son back on Earth...
** It's called pulling out. And even without pulling out, only a fraction of unprotected sexual relations lead to a pregnancy.
%%MORON ASS THING TO SAY THAT ISNT HOW IT WORKS
* a similar issue applies with anyone who took any medication back on Earth. All the coffee drinkers and cigarette smokers go cold turkey over the course of a few days, Sargent Spencer becomes increasingly erratic before Episode 10, and in a group of 80 people, surely someone is reliant on some kind of medication.

[[folder: s2e16 Episode 'Common Descent']]
* Did the Novus!Crew take the stones with them? Would the stones have contacted the ancients if they used them (we ''are'' talking 2000 years in the past).
** Considering the Ancients left ''10'',000 years in the past, no.
** But there were still some around during the time of the Romans.
*** Was this in an Expanded Universe novel or video game? because I honestly can't recall a single mention of surviving Ancients around 0 BC... in fact seeing as the Romans existed alongside the Ancient Egyptians that would put them during or just after Ra's conquest of Earth. I would think that the surviving Ancients would be more concerned with fending off the legions of Jaffa than communicating with some obscure colony of people claiming to be from the future.
*** Nope, it was in the main series. Ianus(the inventor of the time machine), is actually the roman god of gates, doors and time. They also interbred with humans, which explains why some humans have the ancient activation gene. They apparently just ignored the goa'uld on earth, like the asgard presumably did as well.
*** You're actually mistaken... The Ancients were all ascended(or dead) ''many'' years prior to the Goa'uld arriving. The Ancients from Earth died of a disease(or ascended). The Ancients fleeing from Atlantis arrived on Earth at around 10k BC, they intermingled with humans to give the activation gene, yes. But they were all dead by the time the Goa'uld arrived on Earth. The only Ancients who were on Earth following the Goa'uld invasion, had descended from their energy form and died as "normal" people(because they were going to "meddle"). Like Merlin and Morgana. Just because Ianus used his machine to ''visit'' doesn't mean that any Ancients were actually alive during the time of the Goa'uld.[[note]]Not unless you're also saying that because O'Niell and Co ejected Ra from Earth, that the SG teams have been in existence for 2k years...[[/note]]
*** They arrived 10k years (8k BC) ago, but were apparently around for a significant amount of time afterwards, though it is a bit unclear for how long exactly (in fact, the only way for the timeline of the alliance of the four great races to make sense is if it formed after the ancients came back). Way back in the second season (episode: the fifth race), Dr. Jackson identified them as the roman gods, which implies they would have still been around during at least part of the roman empire.
*** You're mistaken again... The four races are the Furlings, Nox, Asgard, and Ancients. The alliance between them could have been as far back as ~50 Million years ago(When the Ancients arrived in the Milky Way Galaxy)... The only knowledge we really have of the alliance itself is that it ended when the last of the Ancients died out/ascended(which was ~10k years ago). The Ancients who arrived on Earth after fleeing the Pegasus Galaxy intermingled with the humans on Earth, but for the kept a low profile because the Goa'uld were in charge of Earth until Ra's eviction 5k years later. Their status as being considered Gods does ''not'' mean that they existed for all that time. Especially considering that some, like Merlin, are known to have descended to carry out last wishes on Earth.
*** The asgard hadn't developed hyperdrive until 30000 years before the series takes place, which puts a big limit on that timeframe, since the ancients were in the pegasus galaxy at that time. Concidering the asgard are not mentioned as ever having helped fighting the wraith, it would definately imply the alliance wasn't until after the remaining ancients came back.
*** Its always been an issue where the Asgard, Nox and Furlings were during the Wraith wars and the Milky Way plague. This brings me back to one of my Stargate SG-1 Headscratchers about just how useless they actually were compared to the Ancients if the latter could already build Destiny level ships millions of years beforehand - the most likely idea that has arisen from the discussion is that the Asgard were actually at a Tau'ri level of development during that time with the Nox remaining neutral due to being pacifists (who the hell knows with the elusive Furlings.) My point is, just because we don't hear of them during this period doesn't necessarily mean the Alliance didn't exist yet. It also has to be said that IF the unlikely chance of Roman Ancients was true, they couldn't have had much technology left considering that there were two SG teams comprised of identical people running around with Time Jumpers and stealing ZPM's right underneath their noses.
*** To answer the initial question, no, the Novus!Crew did not bring the communication stones with them as the other Rush is seen using the stones to connect with Earth after the Novus!Crew goes through, but before we know they survived.

[[folder: Original Purpose of the Destiny]]

* What was the Ancient's original plan? They use the Icarus planet to catch up with Destiny... and then what? Were they planning on using the sun powering the gate? Or were they just planning to stay? Or just hoping they built zpm level power sources before going through? It all seems very poorly planned to send the ship out and then figure out all the logistics of getting back and forth.
** Since they planned to bring Destiny's findings to the rest of their civilization, the logical way to do that would be through its stargate. I don't think using an Icarus-style planet was their original plan- that was just the only suitable power source Stargate Command had access to. The Ancients probably had access to much better power sources, even back then. I'd bet if Destiny's batteries weren't so degraded by the time the humans got to it, they could power a gate back to Milky Way without camping on a star.

[[folder: s2e18 episode nitpick 'Epilogue']]
* Who, exactly, went with Brody to found Futura? Every single other character shown in ''Epilogue'' seems to be on Young's side. Becker and Morrison don't appear in the episode, and I'd definitely buy that Morrison would go with Brody, but two men founding a country doesn't make for very strong children. They might have gotten a bunch of the crew's children and grandchildren to come with them, which is funny considering the last we see of Novus!Brody is a GrumpyOldMan "kids these days get off my lawn" speech.
** Kids and teenagers are very (almost shockingly) easy to manipulate through the right propaganda or by promising the right incentives; one of the reasons why most suicide bombers happen to be young men or why teenagers are statistically most likely to be coerced by the mass-media to buy certain products. I can see Brody easily managing to convince the young to follow him if he promised them power, money or food in his new settlement. That is, after all, exactly the way Hitler and Lenin managed it. Like you say its very unlikely he could have ever convinced most of the original Destiny expedition to support him because nearly all of them held firm allegiances with either Young or Wray and he never appeared to be that popular amongst them anyway.

[[folder: s2e9 Episode Nitpick 'Visitation']]
* In 'Visistation', why wasn't [[spoiler: Senator Armstrong]] brought back with the rest of the Edenians? He was [[spoiler: buried]] on the planet too. Why didn't the aliens [[spoiler: revive]] him as well?
** We're never told what happened to his body. It's possible it was buried on one of the other planets, or is still chilling out somewhere on the Destiny.
[[/folder]]



[[folder: Age of the Destiny]]
* Rush says that Atlantis is 'nearly a million years old' (or something similar) but the ship is primitive compared to Atlantis - Destiny predates ATA gene technology, and the shuttles are technologically a downgrade from the Puddle Jumpers. But Atlantis left Earth 'several million years ago, so what's going on?
** Rush might just be guessing wildly. They've just landed on a spaceship, to their total surprise, and they can't exactly carbon date anything or access most of the systems. Also, he's a math guy, not an archeologist.
** Part of the reason that Destiny can only dial the gates it's closest to is that its Stargate is one of the oldest that SGC has ever encountered.
** Creator Joe Mallozzi has said that "Dr. Rush may have misspoke" in regards to how old the Destiny is.
[[/folder]]

[[folder: Meta: Cancellation and Franchise End]]
* What really killed the show and the planned Stargate (SG-1, Atlantis) films?
** SG:U was a pretty big transition from both SG-1 and SG:A. Darker, less action, less humor, MUCH more interpersonal conflict. The Neilsen ratings dropped off pretty quickly after the first few episodes. It's likely that people who liked SG-1 and SGA for those reasons might not have liked SGU, and people who *didn't* like SG-1 or SGA for those reasons wouldn't have given the show a chance due to the association.
** MGM hit bankruptcy around the same time SGU was canned. That, more than anything, is what put the next direct-to-DVD movies on hold. At the same time, the MMORPG was cancelled because its developer went bankrupt. Basically, a whole lot of things hurt Stargate at the same time, not just SGU.
[[/folder]]