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[[folder: Needle torture]]

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** As I recall, in the middle of the gunfight to escape the lair, he turns and gives her face a hard stare, as if assuring himself that he does in fact remember her. It's possible that the needle had a partial effect, enough to make her memory a bit blurry or require some jogging. At any rate, it's never explained one way or the other.

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** As I recall, in the middle of the gunfight to escape the lair, he turns and gives her face a hard stare, as if assuring himself that he does in fact remember her. It's possible that the needle had a partial effect, enough to make her his memory a bit blurry or require some jogging. At any rate, it's never explained one way or the other.



[[folder: Spectre, Le Chiffre, Dominic Greene, and Raoul Silva]]
* OK, so the idea that Spectre has been behind everything terrible happening in the Daniel Craig era of movies. Unlike a certain critic I think this makes sense for Le Chiffre and his operation ("We're trying to figure out how an entire network of terrorist groups is financed and you give us one bomb maker"; well, now we've found the network of terrorist groups) but it doesn't fit nearly as well for Silva. Silva's whole schtick was that he's pissed at M and he's perfectly willing to let Bond die in the process of getting his revenge. If we accept that Silva got help from Spectre, wouldn't the "willing to let Bond die" part sorta run contrary to [[spoiler:Blofeld]]'s long-running plan? I mean, [[spoiler:Blofeld]] claims he's been specifically targeting the Bond girls just to fuck with Bond, it's pretty clear he wanted Bond alive for the time being.

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[[folder: Spectre, [[folder:Spectre, Le Chiffre, Dominic Greene, and Raoul Silva]]
* OK, so the idea that Spectre has been behind everything terrible happening in the Daniel Craig era of movies. Unlike a certain critic I think this makes sense for Le Chiffre and his operation ("We're trying to figure out how an entire network of terrorist groups is financed and you give us one bomb maker"; well, now we've found the network of terrorist groups) but it doesn't fit nearly as well for Silva. Silva's whole schtick was that he's pissed at M and he's perfectly willing to let Bond die in the process of getting his revenge. If we accept that Silva got help from Spectre, wouldn't the "willing to let Bond die" part sorta run contrary to [[spoiler:Blofeld]]'s Blofeld's long-running plan? I mean, [[spoiler:Blofeld]] Blofeld claims he's been specifically targeting the Bond girls just to fuck with Bond, it's pretty clear he wanted Bond alive for the time being.



** The Spectre-Skyfall connection really isn't that absurd when you stop and look at everything closely. As with ''Casino Royale'', there are hints foreshadowing a potentially bigger plot. Namely, M mentions that Silva turned rogue even before she sold him out; it seems as though [=MI6=] were convinced Silva ate his cyanide capsule in custody (since M says his real name is on the memorial wall); even a genius hacker cyber-terrorist can't just go from being half-dead in Chinese spy prisons to having all the resources we see Silva with without ''some'' kind of help from someone else. Why can't that someone else be Spectre? And the whole "[[spoiler:Blofeld]] wants Bond alive" thing is something that's more fanon-summation than anything explicitly said. If anything, he implies that Bond wasn't even on his radar at least until ''after'' the events of ''Casino Royale''. Overall, it seems to be less of a "I want you to suffer above everything else" deal and more of a "I have my own stuff to get done and if I somehow get to hurt you in the process, all the better" deal.

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** The Spectre-Skyfall connection really isn't that absurd when you stop and look at everything closely. As with ''Casino Royale'', there are hints foreshadowing a potentially bigger plot. Namely, M mentions that Silva turned rogue even before she sold him out; it seems as though [=MI6=] were convinced Silva ate his cyanide capsule in custody (since M says his real name is on the memorial wall); even a genius hacker cyber-terrorist can't just go from being half-dead in Chinese spy prisons to having all the resources we see Silva with without ''some'' kind of help from someone else. Why can't that someone else be Spectre? And the whole "[[spoiler:Blofeld]] "Blofeld wants Bond alive" thing is something that's more fanon-summation than anything explicitly said. If anything, he implies that Bond wasn't even on his radar at least until ''after'' the events of ''Casino Royale''. Overall, it seems to be less of a "I want you to suffer above everything else" deal and more of a "I have my own stuff to get done and if I somehow get to hurt you in the process, all the better" deal.



[[folder: 009 and bad music]]

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[[folder: 009
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[[folder: One Ring to Rule Them All?]]

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[[folder: One [[folder:One Ring to Rule Them All?]]



[[folder: Mountain Climber's son]]

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[[folder: Mountain
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[[folder: M and Scarria]]

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[[folder: M
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[[folder: Blofeld and assassination]]

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[[folder: Blofeld's henchmen]]

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** InUniverse RuleOfScary, maybe? Also, they probably thought a hood would make Bond less likely to attack them since...well, being deprived of sight (and thus naturally disorientated) normally puts one at a disadvantage in a fight. They just forgot they were dealing with James Bond. And they were probably going to remove the hood once they got him inside the building. All Bond basically did by freeing himself was to cut out the middle-men.[[/folder]]
[[folder: Oberhauser's Age]]
* It's established in the Casino Royale-onward continuity that Bond is in his 40s. And the evidence, from the picture onward, in Spectre suggest that Oberhauser is older than him, and that Bond was with his family for two years when orphaned in his early teens at the latest. So why does Oberhauser claim his faked death was only 20 years ago? The math would put it closer to 30 years instead.
** From the file photo that pops up when the Oberhauser connection is analyzed via the laptop scanner, it appears Oberhauser was at least in his twenties when he died, helped by Christoph Waltz being fairly fresh-faced and youthful-looking. Presumably he's meant to be a few years older than Bond. (Though not the 10 years Waltz has on Craig, which would either push his TheResenter status into comedy or make him really unhinged -- what kind of lunatic is that distressed by the arrival of a [[TheBabyOfTheBunch 12 year old interloper]] at ''22''?) So either Bond stayed in contact with Oberhauser Sr. for longer than the initial guardianship period, (or was at least frequently enough in Oberhauser Sr's thoughts to still irk his biological son) or Franz was capable of holding a grudge for quite a while.
** It took 20 years for him to start taking revenge on Bond. Why assume that he killed his father immediately instead of after years of holding in his resentment?

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** InUniverse RuleOfScary, maybe? Also, they probably thought a hood would make Bond less likely to attack them since...well, being deprived of sight (and thus naturally disorientated) normally puts one at a disadvantage in a fight. They just forgot they were dealing with James Bond. And they were probably going to remove the hood once they got him inside the building. All Bond basically did by freeing himself was to cut out the middle-men.[[/folder]]
[[folder: Oberhauser's Age]]
* It's established in the Casino Royale-onward continuity that Bond is in his 40s. And the evidence, from the picture onward, in Spectre suggest that Oberhauser is older than him, and that Bond was with his family for two years when orphaned in his early teens at the latest. So why does Oberhauser claim his faked death was only 20 years ago? The math would put it closer to 30 years instead.
** From the file photo that pops up when the Oberhauser connection is analyzed via the laptop scanner, it appears Oberhauser was at least in his twenties when he died, helped by Christoph Waltz being fairly fresh-faced and youthful-looking. Presumably he's meant to be a few years older than Bond. (Though not the 10 years Waltz has on Craig, which would either push his TheResenter status into comedy or make him really unhinged -- what kind of lunatic is that distressed by the arrival of a [[TheBabyOfTheBunch 12 year old interloper]] at ''22''?) So either Bond stayed in contact with Oberhauser Sr. for longer than the initial guardianship period, (or was at least frequently enough in Oberhauser Sr's thoughts to still irk his biological son) or Franz was capable of holding a grudge for quite a while.
** It took 20 years for him to start taking revenge on Bond. Why assume that he killed his father immediately instead of after years of holding in his resentment?



[[folder: Mister White and Doctor Swann]]

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[[folder:Oberhauser's Age]]
* It's established in the Casino Royale-onward continuity that Bond is in his 40s. And the evidence, from the picture onward, in Spectre suggest that Oberhauser is older than him, and that Bond was with his family for two years when orphaned in his early teens at the latest. So why does Oberhauser claim his faked death was only 20 years ago? The math would put it closer to 30 years instead.
** From the file photo that pops up when the Oberhauser connection is analyzed via the laptop scanner, it appears Oberhauser was at least in his twenties when he died, helped by Christoph Waltz being fairly fresh-faced and youthful-looking. Presumably he's meant to be a few years older than Bond. (Though not the 10 years Waltz has on Craig, which would either push his TheResenter status into comedy or make him really unhinged -- what kind of lunatic is that distressed by the arrival of a [[TheBabyOfTheBunch 12 year old interloper]] at ''22''?) So either Bond stayed in contact with Oberhauser Sr. for longer than the initial guardianship period, (or was at least frequently enough in Oberhauser Sr's thoughts to still irk his biological son) or Franz was capable of holding a grudge for quite a while.
** It took 20 years for him to start taking revenge on Bond. Why assume that he killed his father immediately instead of after years of holding in his resentment?
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[[folder:Mister
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[[folder: Bond's plane]]

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[[folder: Bond's
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** Easy, there was an airfield a short distance next to the clinic where Bond disembarked after arriving by plane. Presumably there were other planes in the vicinity, one which happened to be the supply turboprop plane he utilized. A quick run down to that runway combined with the fact (confirmed by WordOfGod) there was only one road for cars up to the clinic would have reduced the chances of him losing the Spectre team. As for how he got control of the aircraft, he probably pulled off a something similar to the Goldeneye pre-opening credits sequence where Brosnan!Bond hijacked a Cessna as it taxied off the Arkhangelsk Chemical Weapons facility airfield. [[/folder]]
[[folder: Suicide Video]]
* Why exactly did Bond freak out at Madeleine seeing the video of the conversation between Bond and Mr. White right before he killed himself? Granted, he likely wanted to spare her from watching her father shoot himself in the head, but instead of telling her to look away, Bond is reacting more like he feels responsible and he doesn't want Madeleine to know. But...she does! When they first met, Bond told her that her father killed himself but also that he sent him to protect her and that previously he only kept himself alive because of her! So what is Bond ashamed about? The fact that he gave White the gun? As if White didn't presumably have a bunch of guns stashed around that he could have used himself?
** No reason to assume he feels responsible in any way or guilty, he's simply realized Blofeld is intending to break her by making her watch her own father kill himself. While perhaps a bit overzealous, its quite honestly a pretty horrible tactic, especially when done for no purpose.

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** Easy, there was an airfield a short distance next to the clinic where Bond disembarked after arriving by plane. Presumably there were other planes in the vicinity, one which happened to be the supply turboprop plane he utilized. A quick run down to that runway combined with the fact (confirmed by WordOfGod) there was only one road for cars up to the clinic would have reduced the chances of him losing the Spectre team. As for how he got control of the aircraft, he probably pulled off a something similar to the Goldeneye pre-opening credits sequence where Brosnan!Bond hijacked a Cessna as it taxied off the Arkhangelsk Chemical Weapons facility airfield. [[/folder]]\n[[folder: Suicide Video]]\n* Why exactly did Bond freak out at Madeleine seeing the video of the conversation between Bond and Mr. White right before he killed himself? Granted, he likely wanted to spare her from watching her father shoot himself in the head, but instead of telling her to look away, Bond is reacting more like he feels responsible and he doesn't want Madeleine to know. But...she does! When they first met, Bond told her that her father killed himself but also that he sent him to protect her and that previously he only kept himself alive because of her! So what is Bond ashamed about? The fact that he gave White the gun? As if White didn't presumably have a bunch of guns stashed around that he could have used himself?\n** No reason to assume he feels responsible in any way or guilty, he's simply realized Blofeld is intending to break her by making her watch her own father kill himself. While perhaps a bit overzealous, its quite honestly a pretty horrible tactic, especially when done for no purpose.



[[folder: Bond and Madeleine]]

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[[folder:Suicide Video]]
* Why exactly did
Bond freak out at Madeleine seeing the video of the conversation between Bond and Mr. White right before he killed himself? Granted, he likely wanted to spare her from watching her father shoot himself in the head, but instead of telling her to look away, Bond is reacting more like he feels responsible and he doesn't want Madeleine to know. But...she does! When they first met, Bond told her that her father killed himself but also that he sent him to protect her and that previously he only kept himself alive because of her! So what is Bond ashamed about? The fact that he gave White the gun? As if White didn't presumably have a bunch of guns stashed around that he could have used himself?
** No reason to assume he feels responsible in any way or guilty, he's simply realized Blofeld is intending to break her by making her watch her own father kill himself. While perhaps a bit overzealous, its quite honestly a pretty horrible tactic, especially when done for no purpose.
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[[folder:Bond
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[[folder: Bond and Mexico City Press]]

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[[folder: Bond [[folder:Bond and Mexico City Press]]



[[folder: Bond family wealth]]

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[[folder: Bond
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[[folder: Silva]]

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[[folder: Silva]]
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[[folder: Mister White's hypocrisy]]

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[[folder: Mister
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[[folder: Weather]]

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[[folder: Weather]]
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[[folder: What is Blofeld's crime?]]

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[[folder: What
[[folder:What
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[[folder: Quantum]]

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[[folder: Quantum]]
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[[folder: Lucia's Spectre knowledge]]

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[[folder: Lucia's
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[[folder:How did he find them?]]
* When Mr Hinx locates Bond at the Clinic, its obvious to many that he used Mr White's security footage to place it, but it's never elaborated on how he managed to track down both Bond and Madelaine on the train.

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