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*** Though this does raise the question why Klavier was so readily allowed to prosecute Machi
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*** Though this does raise the question why Klavier was so readily allowed to prosecute MachiMachi.
*** Klavier says that case was being rushed due to Lamiroir being a goodwill ambassador, and it was also before Edgeworth became chief prosecutor. Edgeworth is probably more devoted to ensuring fair and just trials than his predecessor was, especially since he's trying to guide the legal system out of the dark age of the law. Beyond that, Klavier and Machi only played together twice before the murder, whereas Simon says he's known Bucky for years. One of those connections is naturally going to have much more weight behind it than the other.
*** Klavier says that case was being rushed due to Lamiroir being a goodwill ambassador, and it was also before Edgeworth became chief prosecutor. Edgeworth is probably more devoted to ensuring fair and just trials than his predecessor was, especially since he's trying to guide the legal system out of the dark age of the law. Beyond that, Klavier and Machi only played together twice before the murder, whereas Simon says he's known Bucky for years. One of those connections is naturally going to have much more weight behind it than the other.
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* Did Trucy not know about Betty? I understand there would be some honor of not revealing another magician's secret, but the idea she would A) be doing a show with an entire extra stagemember and not realize, and B) not want to know how exactly Bonny's teleportation trick worked to make sure it was safe seems like borderline out of character for her to not get to know her cast members at least slightly. But since she never mentions Betty to Apollo despite it being VERY important to the case, it implies she was totally in the dark.
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* Did Trucy not know about Betty? I understand there would be some honor of not revealing another magician's secret, but the idea she would A) be doing a show with an entire extra stagemember and not realize, and B) not want show without either wanting to know how exactly Bonny's teleportation her fellow magicians trick worked (if only to make sure ensure it was safe seems like borderline out of character for her to not get to know her cast members at least slightly. But since safe) or that she never mentions Betty even got to Apollo despite it being VERY important know Bonny/Betty enough she'd notice a difference is fairly hard to the case, it implies she was totally in the dark.believe.
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*** Though this does raise the question why Klavier was so readily allowed to prosecute Machi
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** Keep in mind, Nahuyta explicitly charges Maya with two murders- Inmee and Zehlot. This implies the Rebel Hunting Kee'ra hasn't killed anyone at this point.
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** Given the three of them shared a dressing room, in addition to the possibility of crossing paths backstage at some point, it's likely Trucy knew about Betty but decided not to reveal her existence to Apollo. She did the same regarding the secret behind Valant's teleportation trick with Lamiroir in 4-3–she seems to make it a point not to reveal another magician's secrets, though she will reveal her own if the situation calls for it. They probably avoided drawing attention because it was already one of Trucy's less-liked qualities, but her interactions with Betty at the end of the case also don't indicate any surprise. She's just disappointed to learn that Betty really does seem to despise her.
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** Given the three of them shared a dressing room, in addition to the possibility of crossing paths backstage at some point, it's likely Trucy knew about Betty but decided not to reveal her existence to Apollo. She did the same regarding the secret behind Valant's teleportation trick with Lamiroir in 4-3–she 4-3; she seems to make it a point not to reveal another magician's secrets, though she will reveal her own if the situation calls for it. They probably avoided drawing attention to it because it was already one of Trucy's less-liked qualities, but her interactions with Betty at the end of the case also don't indicate any surprise. surprise that Betty exists. She's just disappointed to learn that Betty she really does seem to despise her.
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** Given the three of them shared a dressing room, in addition to the possibility of crossing paths backstage at some point, it's likely Trucy knew about Betty but decided not to reveal her existence to Apollo. She did the same regarding the secret behind Valant's teleportation trick with Lamiroir in 4-3–she seems to make it a point not to reveal another magician's secrets, though she will reveal her own if the situation calls for it. They probably avoided drawing attention because it was already one of Trucy's less-liked qualities, but her interactions with Betty at the end of the case also don't indicate any surprise. She's just disappointed to learn that Betty really does seem to despise her.
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** Athena, while not immune to acting immature, is still an adult. There's a big difference in allowing an adult you don't know and a child you don't know come to a wedding on behalf of an invite. Many weddings don't even allow children (though 17 going on 18 is a bit of a stretch for this sort of limit)
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** Considering she probably lost her cellphone when she was abducted, and with Inga in control of the secret police, she probably didn't have any way of contacting Phoenix safely. She may have even let Dhurke stay in control and let him secure money for a plane ticket out of the country. She also wouldn't have known that Inga was using her to control Phoenix, so she wouldn't have reason to prioritize letting him know she was safe.
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* Did Trucy not know about Betty? I understand there would be some honor of not revealing another magician's secret, but the idea she would A) be doing a show with an entire extra stagemember and not realize, and B) not want to know how exactly Bonny's teleportation trick worked to make sure it was safe seems like borderline out of character for her to not get to know her cast members at least slightly. But since she never mentions Betty to Apollo despite it being VERY important to the case, it implies she was totally in the dark.
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** Basically, the series just is using 'lawyer' as a synonym for defense attorney, yes. The exact wording of the DCA mentions defending an accused person of a crime, not anything else. So presumably in cases like a civil trial about say, a wrongful termination employment suit, the lawyers just handle it the way any other civil attorney might.
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** When people talk about Nahyuta "seeing the karmic threads" of his cases, what they're referring to is the fact that he's extremely thorough in his investigations. Notice how Spirit of Justice is the only game where no individual case goes for longer than a day? That's because Nahyuta is so thorough that he can foresee and adapt to most of the directions a case could go in, meaning he doesn't need to adjourn the trial to reinvestigate every time there's a new development. He isn't interested in looking beyond "what he first gleans" because he prides himself on taking every relevant detail into account. That doesn't necessarily mean he's never made a false arrest before, but it does mean he's good at reaching conclusions that make sense and are backed up by evidence, as opposed to winning by default because the defense couldn't prove the real culprit like every other prosecutor that came before him.
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** ''"And we should assume that as subordinates to their charismatic leader that they'd follow that creed as well."'' Actually, Dhurke testifies during case 5 that a bloodless revolution is his personal agenda, but that there are members of the Defiant Dragons who feel differently. He may not be willing to use fatal force, but he can't force every one of his followers to be a strict pacifist if they don't want to.
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** Maybe she chose that time to make the trip to Khura'in to see Apollo? Possibly with assistance from Sprocket Aviation, in return for what Phoenix did? She does mention wanting to go see Apollo in the credits of the main game, and the bonus case has her struggling to replace him with Athena as her assistant, so it's as good a time as any to want to catch up with him.
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** Unlike de Killer, Inga actually knows that Maya is able to channel spirits. He was probably careful not to give her any opportunity to do so for very long, or he straight-up threatened her to keep her from trying. It would be a somewhat hollow threat, since his plan requires cooperation from a spirit medium, but Maya wouldn't know that.
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** It’s more likely that Ga’ran was threatening to harm Rayfa directly, not just expose her criminal parentage. She could have easily arranged some kind of “accident” like how she managed to have Amara (who is beloved by the people of Khura’in) shot in the middle of the trial. The “sins of the father” thing was just one more reason for Nahyuta to want to protect his sister.
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** The part of the show the player sees is the ending of the first act and part of the second act of the show. Magicians typically do their biggest and best tricks near the end of their show. The third act directly involved fire tricks and was extremely dangerous. One of Gramarye tricks may have happened during the final act.
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* If there are no lawyers (other than prosecutors) left in Khura'in because of the Defense Culpability Act, how are civil cases handled? Do the parties just have to [[AFoolForAClient represent themselves]]? Are civil disputes settled through systems other than trials? For that matter, wouldn't lawyers who only work civil cases be largely unaffected by the DCA, and thus still around? Then again, this might just be a byproduct of the game misusing "lawyers" to mean defense attorneys in particular instead of lawyers in general.
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*** You missed the point of what was being asked: The question being asked is "why is he said to be good at ***solving complicated*** crimes when his entire demeanor shows no such interest in anything but what he first gleans". It wasn't a complaint about Nahyuta- there seems to be GameplayAndStorySegregation between what he's stated to do and what he does.
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*** You missed the point of what was being asked: The question being asked is "why is he said to be good at ***solving complicated*** crimes when his entire demeanor shows no such interest in anything but what he first gleans". It wasn't a complaint about Nahyuta- there seems to be GameplayAndStorySegregation between what he's stated to do and what he does. His "solving complex cases" and "seeing the karmaeic thread" (which are treated as the same thing) are akin to Simon's psychological manipulations, which we DO see Simon doing. But we don't see the stuff Nahyuta is said to do.
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*** You missed the point of what was being asked: The question being asked is "why is he said to be good at ***solving complicated*** crimes when his entire demeanor shows no such interest in anything but what he first gleans". It wasn't a complaint about Nahyuta- there seems to be GameplayAndStorySegregation between what he's stated to do and what he does.
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** This seems like you’re just trying to complain about Nahyuta rather than ask a genuine question; however, he’s not just some religious nut who throws insults at the defense. Like a lot of the other prosecutors, he regularly makes pretty logical arguments and is only outdone because the crimes he’s investigating are very elaborate frame-ups. Roger Retinz planned out a remote murder to take place at a time when no one but Trucy could conceivably have done it. Tahrust Inmee killed himself in the middle of a sacred rite, something no one could have foreseen, to make Maya seem like a serial killer. And Bucky was suspected because he failed to notice that the victim was dead when he went into the dressing room, making him look extremely suspicious in addition to the double-frame-up. In terms of his skill as a prosecutor, Nahyuta is not that different than any of the others who are said to be top-tier prodigies until they go up against Phoenix, Apollo, or Athena.
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* How can the lawyers of the Anything Agency (and Ema) insist that Nahyuta "solved tough cases" when what we see is him belittling, bullying, and shutting down even the ghost of an argument with insults? He doesn't "solve" a thing, he just comes in to prosecute and uses his religion to treat others as inferior (his reasoning for doing so doesn't matter). Imagine how Trucy, Maya, and Uendo would be sent to their deaths if their attorneys weren't the best in the world at what they do. Their cases would be "solved" by Nahyuta, too. Most defence attorneys in the series are implied to be subpar at their jobs outside those we have with names. How many innocent people has Nahyuta sent to their graves with a smile, saying that a victim gets their last rites as their actual killer walks free because the police nabbed the wrong person? Nahyuta has never solved a thing, and it should be painfully obvious from the moment he starts off in court.
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*** It’s possible Retinz altered the shape of the stab wound to make it seem like it had gone in at an angle. Alternatively, since the victim was pulled up to the catwalk on a stunt wire, there’s no telling whether the sword didn’t penetrate at an angle. After all, the game never says the wound was “straight through his back”.
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*** Yeah, Ema is extremely thorough when it comes to dusting for fingerprints. Nowhere is it said that she goes spraying Luminol everywhere to look for bloodstains in unlikely places. As for blood not being found inside the coffin, the victim was wearing a cape at the time. They probably assumed that the cape absorbed most or all of the splattered blood.
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** Not to mention, Athena had never even met Inga before. Psychologically speaking, she can’t just diagnose someone with a mental disorder based on one piece of evidence without having the chance to talk to them about it. For all she knows, Inga having face-blindness could’ve been easily disproven by those who were close to him, or it was something everyone already knew, so she didn’t see the point in bringing it up.
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** Not to mention, Athena had never even met Inga before. Psychologically speaking, she can’t just diagnose someone with a mental disorder based on one piece of evidence without having the chance to talk to them about it. For all she knows, Inga having face-blindness could’ve been easily disproven by those who were close to him, or it was something everyone already knew, so she didn’t see the point in bringing it up. It makes more sense for Phoenix to piece it together since he saw how Inga had been studying his appearance when they first met, then failed to recognize him later until he took note of things like his hairstyle and blue suit, the same information listed in the notebook.
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** Actually, I also have a gripe about this- When Apollo remarks that the prints are backwards, and Athena suggests he just turned around, it's pointed out by Apollo that at best he could wiggle a little in the coffin. It was too small to turn around. Immediately after, Ema says Nahyuta will probably be of the opinion Mistree turned to avoid the sword and Apollo agrees it's possible. To get the injury he got, he would have to turn fully around to the side, as the stab wound isn't at an angle, it's straight through his body. If it's impossible for him to turn around in the coffin, how in the hell could he manage that? It should be impossible for him to dodge, and if he did, he wouldn't turn to expose a wider area, he'd press his back to the back of the coffin more.
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** Actually, I also have a different gripe about this- When Apollo remarks that the prints are backwards, and Athena suggests he just turned around, it's pointed out by Apollo that at best he could wiggle a little in the coffin. It was too small to turn around. Immediately after, Ema says Nahyuta will probably be of the opinion Mistree turned to avoid the sword and Apollo agrees it's possible. To get the injury he got, he would have to turn fully around to the side, as the stab wound isn't at an angle, it's straight through his body. back. If it's impossible for him to turn around in the coffin, how in the hell could he manage that? It should be impossible for him to dodge, and if he did, he wouldn't turn to expose a wider area, he'd press his back to the back of the coffin more.more.
** Additional gripe about the blood- where indeed is it? There should have been blood on the stage that rained down when he was stabbed, and there is no pooling where his body was placed which should have raised questions. Even if it was wiped, Ema would have found it with luminol. She wouldn't NOT do that, it's specifically noted she even dusted Magnifi's notebook for prints for fun. Further, a lot of blood being in the coffin would have been ideal to blame her.
** Additional gripe about the blood- where indeed is it? There should have been blood on the stage that rained down when he was stabbed, and there is no pooling where his body was placed which should have raised questions. Even if it was wiped, Ema would have found it with luminol. She wouldn't NOT do that, it's specifically noted she even dusted Magnifi's notebook for prints for fun. Further, a lot of blood being in the coffin would have been ideal to blame her.
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** Actually, I also have a gripe about this- When Apollo remarks that the prints are backwards, and Athena suggests he just turned around, it's pointed out by Apollo that at best he could wiggle a little in the coffin. It was too small to turn around. Immediately after, Ema says Nahyuta will probably be of the opinion Mistree turned to avoid the sword and Apollo agrees it's possible. To get the injury he got, he would have to turn fully around to the side, as the stab wound isn't at an angle, it's straight through his body. If it's impossible for him to turn around in the coffin, how in the hell could he manage that? It should be impossible for him to dodge, and if he did, he wouldn't turn to expose a wider area, he'd press his back to the back of the coffin more.
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* Where did Apollo go to live when he was sent to live in the States by Dhurke? Was it with a Defiant Dragon compatriot who was able to accompany him overseas? That doesn’t seem likely since Apollo ended up falling out of touch with Dhurke. In Dual Destinies, Apollo said he bonded with Clay in junior high because he didn’t have a mom, and that it was Clay kept him going in the aftermath of his first trial, which would imply that he was never adopted. Are we to take it that he was just placed in foster care until he came of age to be on his own? Or is there some other system in Japan that didn’t translate clearly in the localization?
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* Where did Apollo go to live when he was sent to live in the States by Dhurke? Was it with a Defiant Dragon compatriot who was able to accompany him overseas? That doesn’t seem likely since Apollo ended up falling out of touch with Dhurke. In Dual Destinies, Apollo said he bonded with Clay in junior high because he didn’t have a mom, and that it was Clay kept him going in the aftermath of his first trial, which would imply that he was never adopted. Are we to take it that he was just placed in foster care until he came of age to be on his own? Or is there some other system in Japan that didn’t translate clearly in the localization?localization.
** [[https://www.reddit.com/r/AceAttorney/s/JWCCOj0stt This discussion]] suggests that Apollo was placed in the foster system, but that he never bonded with his foster family and/or was shuffled between them, at first because he assumed Dhurke would come back for him and later because he didn’t want to become attached to anyone again. Statistically speaking, children are less and less likely to be adopted the older they get, and the prickly attitude Apollo is known for at times wouldn’t have helped his chances.
** [[https://www.reddit.com/r/AceAttorney/s/JWCCOj0stt This discussion]] suggests that Apollo was placed in the foster system, but that he never bonded with his foster family and/or was shuffled between them, at first because he assumed Dhurke would come back for him and later because he didn’t want to become attached to anyone again. Statistically speaking, children are less and less likely to be adopted the older they get, and the prickly attitude Apollo is known for at times wouldn’t have helped his chances.
