History Headscratchers / JusticeLeague2017

* At the end of Batman v Superman the final scene is of Clark's coffin and the slight dirt levitation that happened when he flew for the first time in ManOfSteel which signified that he maybe he wasn't 100% dead. But in the prior movie (chronologically) it's pretty much verified that he is 100% dead as opposed to being in some kind of unconscious stasis mode or something. Would he have come back regardless without the Kryptonian engine due to his body still soaking up yellow sunlight or what?

** Also, they did not nuke Superman in BvS. They were aiming for Doomsday, and hit him, they just didn't anticipate that it wouldn't kill him but rather made him stronger. Superman was, at worst, collateral damage, and for a short time at that as the sun's energy was enough to revive him. And as others have said, Superman was the only one capable of taking down both Zod and then his monster zombie resurrected abomination OneWingedAngel form. Wonder Woman was able to put down Ares, and the Suicide Squad (just barely) took care of the Enchantress and her gigantic tentacle manifestations (but Superman would have barely broke a sweat). But world wars or threats of nuclear war, while terrible and affecting many people through death or implied risk of death, were not as an acute a threat to as many people (and the planet itself) as Zod, Doomsday and the Enchantress, and the terror this inspired is what emboldened Steppenwolf to come back.

** Also, it's Central City. Bruce may not have as much active influence on a personal level (no real relationships with the police force or justice system, for example), and it's not something that could be handled as a business transaction. He may decide to chip in on the down low (hiring PIs and such to get leads for Barry), but that's about all he can really do.

** It's even possible that he flat-out stole it. Unlikely, given his personality, but not at all difficult for a speedster. All he'd have to do is head over to NASA and look around-he could be in and out [[IncrediblyLamePun in a flash]], with no one any the wiser as to where it went.

** Silas may have triggered in secret an initial response to attach the tech to his son. After which is laid dormant but started giving off signals on it's own when Superman died.

* Where were the league taking the scientists, exactly? Did they make it out of the tunnel?

** In the Snyder cut, Silas is a recurring part of the film and his role ties into Victor's subplot about coming to terms with his backstory and his father's role in it. It all culminates in Silas sacrificing himself to allow the League to track the last Mother Box after Steppenwolf claims it. (Long story.) With Cyborg's backstory cut short for the theatrical version, Silas was left with not much to do otherwise, hence his reduced presence after the tunnel sequence and him surviving the events of the story.

** Color wise the suits haven't gotten brighter but the color correction has lightened up.

** While the police may have heard Clark, they wouldn't really understand the context. At the least plenty of Clarks in the world.

* At the end of the first movie the final scene is of Clark's coffin and the slight dirt levitation that happened when he flew for the first time in ManOfSteel which signified that he maybe he wasn't 100% dead. But in the movie it's pretty much verified that he is 100% dead as opposed to being in some kind of unconscious stasis mode or something. Would he have come back regardless without the Kryptonian engine due to his body still soaking up yellow sunlight or what?

** It shows the bodies of Kryptonians on Earth are in a special state. At the very least their ability to fly continues to exist after death. The non decomposing nature makes it viable to use the motherbox. He's basically in the exact same state when Doomsday killed him.

** Maybe he would have came back to life without the "pool" and box, but would you really wait for that to happen? You have an evil alien overlord collecting 3 items around the world in order to take over the planet. It's better to revive Clark NOW, than wait for him to come back to life, which could take weeks, or MONTHS. By then, the planet would be a Hellish world infested with parademons.

*** Regarding the use of CGI to cover Cavill's beard, it would have made more sense to see Superman come out of the coffin sporting a bit of facial hair. This would have shown that it wasn't going to be impossible for him to be awoken, just very difficult.

** It's Parademon blood. He rescued a guy who was claiming that an alien had crashed through his boat and was chalking it up to hysteria. Then he notes the green goo on his hand, heads immediately back to the ocean, and arrives at Atlantis mere moments after the Parademon attack force. Later, Barry uses his powers to run through a Parademon and gets covered in green goo. It's Parademon blood.

*** The fisherman's boat looks old and in not the best condition and was seen caught in a storm. The fisherman on-board (who appeared to be alone on the ship) may have been fearful of his boat capsizing in the storm or something, and his fear attracted a parademon, which crashed through the ship trying to get him. It either died on impact or became too injured to successfully capture the fisherman. In any case, it left some of its blood behind in the process.

* There is already a superhero team on this Earth, the Suicide Squad. Why didn't Harley Quinn, Katana, Rick Flag Jr., Captain Boomerang, Killer Croc, Deadshot and Diablo show up to fight Steppenwolf?
** Because Steppenwolf was relatively stealthy this time around : he attacked Themiscyra and Atlantis who don't have any contact with the outside world, kidnapped a dozen people to an abandonned facility, teleported in and out immediately after to get the third mother box and set up shop on the site of a nuclear meltdown in the middle of nowhere. Remember it took the guy who hacked Batman by accident considerable effort to find him. Besides wasn't Task Force X dismantled after Amanda Waller's epic failure in their own movie ?

** Isn't Steppenwolf in Russia? Because in the Suicide Squad movie it is kind of implied that their "work" for the US government to stop national threats, so Russia is not in their "juridiction".
** A) Batman initially set up this team, and he isn't likely to be hiring criminals or lose time going after Harley (and run into [[ComicBook/TheJoker Puddin']] doing so) while the fate of the world is at stake). B) They're too weak for this fight. If the goddamn Batman was being flung around like a rag doll and mocked by the super powered characters, the remnants of the Suicide Squad have no chance.

** Boomerangs for offense also quite deadly. They are also heavier and bigger. Batman is skilled enough not to inflict lethal injury to people using his batrarangs.

** Batman threw a shuriken at Barry's face. Had Barry been an ordinary human instead of "the fastest man alive", he'd be dead. At the very least, he would be horribly scarred...just like those mooks that Batman branded with the Bat-Insignia, so as far as the whole "Affleck's Batman is too bloodthirsty" complaints are concerned, horribly scarring someone is tantamount to killing them.

* I don't know if it goes here or in the ''Wonder Woman'' Headscratchers, but anyway...now that Deathstroke is here, does his presence means confirmation that the SuperSerum that Doctor Poison created was Mirakuru (or whatever the SuperSerum that Slade Wilson took to become Deathstroke is called in the comics)?
** Mirakuru is strictly the Arrow tv show. There are various groups working on performance enhancing drugs. There is never just one chemical or cocktail. Many are accidents like say Barry Allen or Croc.

** The Atlantean and Amazonian boxes were guarded but still comparatively public knowledge in the locations where they were being hidden; the third box had been hidden for centuries and even now was a closely-guarded secret; maybe Steppenwolf just found the first two because he'd managed to find some official record of where they were rather than because he could somehow sense the boxes' power.

*** Which begs the question why they would do that. Ok, I don't expect them to necessarily know the extent of Steppenwolf's abilities, although with literal gods on their side that's not an unreasonable assumption to make, but they use radically different approaches. You'd think they'd made up their minds on whether "hide them in the deepest hole there is because he cannot just sense them, but if they're easy to find, no amount of guards will stop him" or "it's no use hiding them, because he'll just sense them, so we should put them under the heaviest guard there's" is the best way in advance.

[[folder:Steppenwolf's return]]

** Leaving aside the historical stuff and comparisons, which goes into ROCEJ, that whole Steppenwolf was driven to come because of fear and terror doesn't make sense. Like the first time he invaded, what great event or death or outpouring of grief and fear brought him to Earth? Then at the end of [=BVSDOJ=] he was in contact with Luthor right, and that happened at the same time Superman and Doomsday were fighting. So to me there's not enough to suggest that this makes internal, metaphorical, or even symbolical sense, unless the movie wants us to believe it. It's just melodrama...
** We have no way of knowing wich event triggered Steppenwolf’s first invasion on Earth (probably falls on Fridge Horror) but we do know that Steppenwolf was contacting Lex through an hologram, so he wasnt officially *there*, tridimensionally speaking. Maybe the Kryptonian Ship was telling Lex the history lesson we saw in this movie. Just because we don’t have a 100% certain answer doesnt mean it doesn’t make sense buddy.
** Simplest answer? The "he was drawn here by fear" is simply not accurate. More accurate is he was in contact with or otherwise watching Earth, saw that there wasn't anyone left who could take him on with Superman dead, and made his move.

*** Steppenwolf was in exile for a long while, perhaps it was only when Luthor inadvertently made contact with him that he became aware that Earth was now largely undefended (when he last left it it had armies of amazons, plus gods, atlanteans and even green lanterns). Earth being "full of fear and grief" may have just been another factor, not the entire cause. Maybe the thousands of years worth of waiting was just an added punishment from Darkseid for his initial failure?

** He also got a huge monument ''before'' the events of [=BvS=], after he saved the planet from (essentially) another rampaging monster. Considering that Zod announced his presence across the entire world, while the Doomsday incident was very brief, localized and more likely then not covered up, I don't see how the situations are that much different. To clarify, I don't argue that people shouldn't have liked Kal-El or mourn his death, I just don't recall any significant evidence from the movies that they did. Yes, there was that bizzare carnival scene, but nothing to the scale that would rival the concerns and hostility we ''were'' shown.

* Thinking back to ''[[Film/WonderWoman2017 Wonder Woman]]''...if Ares is the one who spreads fear and chaos, shouldn't his death means stability for the human race? And if Ares can influence humanity beyond the grave (or if he didn't really die), how does Superman being dead make any difference? Furthermore, addressing the above points but sticking strictly to the established DCEU events, why didn't Steppenwolf show up during World War 1? We saw a lot of fear and chaos during that time...

*** But if we are going that route, "Superman's death" is ALSO not the sole source of chaos or fear, so the point of Superman's death not making a difference still stands. Yeah, humanity doesn't need a living Ares to be fearful...just like they don't need a dead Superman to be fearful.
*** No one said they ''needed'' Superman to die to be fearful. But the living embodiment of hope and human strength dying is going to make a lot of people afraid and despairing. I don't know why you're treating this like an all-or-nothing binary.

Why was the moustache even an issue? Superman DOES grows facial hair, doesn't he? He had it in Man of Steel, in his vagrant phase. His father had a beard. There's even the whole "how does Superman shave" gag! So, why would it surprise anyone that after spending week\months in that casket Clark would sport facial hair?
** He went through the whole movie without it, then the actor had grown it out, and they had to do reshoots. The issue wasn't that Clark couldn't have hair. It was that Clark couldn't not have a mustache, then have it, then not have it, then suddenly have it again within the same scenes.

Why doesn't Bruce and the team help get Barry's dad out of prison, or at least investigate Mrs. Allen's death? Surely a rich and powerful man like Bruce Wayne could pull some strings to get his dad out. I think Barry believes his dad is innocent.

** The extent of Bruce's connections in the criminal justice system is unknown. Even though he mentioned that he still has some friends in Arkham, for example, Lex Luthor seems to be a free man. He also might not have much leverage among judges, especially given his behavior in Batman v Superman. Also, Bruce might not be willing or able to intervene so directly without concrete evidence exonerating Barry's dad. If the explanation for Nora Allen's death in the DCEU is most used one from the comics, finding such evidence is beyond Bruce's resources.

* Wouldn't a powerful big bad like Stepphenwolf be able to take out his parademons? This is like having Shredder being killed by his own foot soldiers. I thought the parademons are brainless creatures with low power levels. My guess is killing them would enrage Darkseid, so he allowed them to finish him off.

** Luthor, like most businessmen who conduct business overseas, probably hides a lot of his wealth in foreign tax shelters, out of the reach of U.S. authorities. (Consequently, his tax returns must be HILARIOUS.)

* At the end of the movie, Lex is shown on his private yacht, drinking Gout de Diamants[[note]]which has a price tag of roughly $1.375 million USD per bottle[[/note]], having escaped from Arkham, and contacted Deathstroke. I could maybe buy that he made it so that Deathstroke owed him a favor and he was calling said favor in, but in all cases I know of where a rich person was sent to jail, the government will usually seize their assets (which I believe they'd do in Lex's case, considering Lex was likely going to spend life in Arkham if he didn't escape). Where'd he get all that money from?

* In ''Batman v Superman'' Bruce used a heavily modified armor to fight against Superman. He was able to tank punches and even getting thrown into a building and through walls with minor damage. It also gave him increased strenght(after he shot Superman with Kriptonite grenade, he kicked him like, 10 meters away) So why didn't he use that armor in the last battle? He could have been a lot more efficient at fighting Parademons and taking damage from them than he was in the regular suit.
** In ''Batman v Superman'', Batman practically had the homefield advantage - remember, Superman came to him; the armor struck me as a more defense-inclined one; however, when going up against the Parademons, Batman's technically on the offensive. He never tries to go up against Stepphenwolf directly, so it's possible he figured that his regular armor would be enough against the Parademons due to his encounter with one at the start of the movie.

** Both are chalked up to differences in scale. The wrist bracelets are fine for small arms fire (pistols, [=SMGs=]) and a certain level of energy weapon (Doomsday's laser attacks) but her film showed she was forced to use her shield for more substantial cover under heavy machine gun fire, and to deflect an incoming mortar. Same would apply for things like rocket-propelled grenades and massive energy weapons. Also, she's a fast moving heroine, but she can't stack up to the other speedsters. Hence why the Flash was called upon to jump start Superman's resurrection (he also generates ''lightning'' at high speeds) rather than her. Fans had issues with Superman being comparable in speed to the Flash, yes, so the filmmakers will have to correct for this in future instalments by showing the Flash to be the fastest once he unlocks his full potential. So the speed tiers go like Flash > Superman > Wonder Woman (not sure how to compare Aquaman's speed through water to the others at this point, Cyborg and Batman are at the dead last).

** She has no use for the shield in that scene, so she doesn't carry it in that scene. That doesn't mean it's useless, as proved by the fights against Steppenwolf later on. If she can't keep him at a distance long enough with the bracers then nothing's better than her shield to block his electro-axe strikes. It already was useful against Doomsday in this regard, she's basically the League's [[DamagerHealerTank Tank]] as long as Superman's not there.

** With ''Film/{{Aquaman|2018}}'' revealing that only certain people in Atlantis can breath both in water and on land thus any common folk will suffocate if they were out in the open air and Arthur is not exactly well-liked in Atlantis, the bubble might be also a defensive measure also to protect from most rurly intruders who might want to take a shot against Arthur.

** Another reason might be to protect the Kents' pride/honor. By buying the bank instead of straight up buying the house, he's allowing them to continue making payments on it or working off the debt. Buying the entire house for them would make them feel beholden to him or feel like they're a charity case.

** All of the above, plus he now has access to an obscure, small-town bank to launder any transactions needed to fund Justice League activities. Multiply by a few dozen others, and he could fund the League while selling the idea to Wayne Industries shareholders as diversification of assets.

** It's a [[SeriesContinuityError continuity error.]]
*** Most likely, however it's not hard to hand-wave it as there being a difference between "awakening" and "sleeping restlessly".

We later find out that she was aware that Victor was watching them. My question is, why not talk to Victor then? How did she know he would communicate with her later that evening? Seems risky for her to wait for him to confront her. He could have gone back into hiding after the forest scene.
* The fact that he was watching them from afar tells her that he's curious but cautious. It's the same technique you'd use to approach a cute but timid forest critter: approach slowly or, ideally, let the critter come to you.

Wouldn't a powerful big bad like Stepphenwolf be able to take out his parademons? This is like having Shredder being killed by his own foot soldiers. I thought the parademons are brainless creatures with low power levels. My guess is killing them would enrage Darkseid, so he allowed them to finish him off.

When we catch up with Lex in TheStinger, he seems to be living pretty comfortably on a yacht, surrounded by beautiful women and enjoying some Goût de Diamants champagne (priced $1.2 million ''per bottle''), in what looks to be a cove somewhere in coastal Europe. It's probably pretty safe to assume that his assets were frozen after his arrest in ''Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice'', especially considering he seemed to have a speedy trial (if any) and was whisked away to a high security mental hospital where he probably wouldn't have the same attorney or visitation rights as he might in a conventional prison. How was he able to retain the wealth and connections that would make it possible to escape, let alone stay under the radar yet in such lavish surroundings?

I mean it exists to kick off the plot, sort of, but... why? How do parademons explode into three glowing cubes for Batman to stare at? Do any other parademons do that in the rest of the film when they die?

Why can't the Amazons leave Themyscira? In ''Film/WonderWoman2017'' it sounded like they chose to live there since "Mankind does not deserve you." At least, that's the queen's idea for Diana and the other Amazons was in that movie. In this movie though Diana says, "The Amazons are isolated to an island they cannot leave." Did I miss something? Why can't they leave? Also, it was never established in ''Wonder Woman'' when her mother said, "If you leave, you may never return" was meant as "I fear you won't come back alive" or "You're not allowed back." Does it have to do with that?
* In ''Wonder Woman'', the Amazons saw firsthand the weaponry mankind had developed since the Amazons had isolated themselves - and unlike Kryptonians, Amazons can't NoSell manmade weaponry; it's possible she means that they can't leave because they don't know how mankind would react to them, and if they reacted hostilely, the Amazons would be unable to handle guns and the like.
* Seems to me it's more like not being able to find their way back to the island. Same thing with what Diana's mother said. I saw no reason to believe she would bar Diana from coming back.

At the end of the movie, Lex is shown on his private yacht, drinking Gout de Diamants[[note]]which has a price tag of roughly $1.375 million USD per bottle[[/note]], having escaped from Arkham, and contacted Deathstroke. I could maybe buy that he made it so that Deathstroke owed him a favor and he was calling said favor in, but in all cases I know of where a rich person was sent to jail, the government will usually seize their assets (which I believe they'd do in Lex's case, considering Lex was likely going to spend life in Arkham if he didn't escape). Where'd he get all that money from?

In ''Batman v Superman'' Bruce used a heavily modified armor to fight against Superman. He was able to tank punches and even getting thrown into a building and through walls with minor damage. It also gave him increased strenght(after he shot Superman with Kriptonite grenade, he kicked him like, 10 meters away) So why didn't he use that armor in the last battle? He could have been a lot more efficient at fighting Parademons and taking damage from them than he was in the regular suit.
* In ''Batman v Superman'', Batman practically had the homefield advantage - remember, Superman came to him; the armor struck me as a more defense-inclined one; however, when going up against the Parademons, Batman's technically on the offensive. He never tries to go up against Stepphenwolf directly, so it's possible he figured that his regular armor would be enough against the Parademons due to his encounter with one at the start of the movie.
* Also, remember that the armor didn't work nearly as well as he had thought it would, and that was in a straight one on one. Against a multitude of opponents, the armor would likely have slowed him down too much, and ended with him getting swarmed and torn apart. In a melee like he's anticipating, he's better served by doing what he does best. Stay mobile, hit fast, and hit hard.

[[folder: Wonder woman blocking machine gun fire with her wrist armor; speedster tiers]]

* Silas dies in the Snyder cut.

*** Confirmed in the Snyder cut. Victor explains that his father found a way to awaken the box to keep him alive; once he became Cyborg, the box went back to sleep until Superman's death.

** One would assume the suit he died is one repaired and kept with Martha/Lois.

[[folder: Wonder woman blocking machine gun fire with her wrist armor]]

** Both are chalked up to differences in scale. The wrist bracelets are fine for small arms fire (pistols, SMGs) and a certain level of energy weapon (Doomsday's laser attacks) but her film showed she was forced to use her shield for more substantial cover under heavy machine gun fire, and to deflect an incoming mortar. Same would apply for things like rocket-propelled grenades and massive energy weapons. Also, she's a fast moving heroine, but she can't stack up to the other speedsters. Hence why the Flash was called upon to jump start Superman's resurrection (he also generates ''lightning'' at high speeds) rather than her. Fans had issues with Superman being comparable in speed to the Flash, yes, so the filmmakers will have to correct for this in future installments by showing the Flash to be the fastest once he unlocks his full potential. So the speed tiers go like Flash > Superman > Wonder Woman (not sure how to compare Aquaman's speed through water to the others at this point, Cyborg and Batman are at the dead last).
*** Regarding the comparative speeds, keep in mind that Flash is, at that point, just barely starting out in the whole "being a superhero" thing. All he knows is that his powers enable him to move and react FAST. He hasn't yet started really pushing what he can do, because there's not yet been any real need to