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** Ruto’s legacy being famed in-universe would make a lot more sense than Sheik’s, since the latter is apparently a secret identity that the royals can assume in times of need. Such a secret identity being common knowledge to the point of being passed down through history would defeat the purpose of it being a disguise. As for Cia recognizing it, it’s likely she knew that Sheik was really Zelda but didn’t see the point in revealing the truth. After all, if Impa were to find out, she’d probably insist that Zelda go back into hiding, making it harder for Cia to target her than if she’s out on the battlefield unbeknownst to her allies.

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I can understand one person grabbing a new item from a chest, but how does EVERYONE have it? Even before they even meet up again? For example, in the Wind Waker saga, you pick up the Hammer with Link and Tetra, then in the next map where in the beginning you only control Lana, she just... has it for some reason? Where did SHE get the hammer? Heck, save for Darunia, where did EVERYONE get their own hammer?
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** The question refers to playable characters who join the Hyrulean cause during the campaign. One era features Darunia and Ruto, another features Agitha and Midna, but the third only has Fi.
** A possible answer is that they didn’t want to have to explain where ''Skyward Sword'' Link was while monster hordes were invading Skyloft. The events of the Sky era can’t be taking place after ''Skyward Sword'' since Fi is still alive and kicking, meaning they can’t exactly feature anyone else from that era without begging the question of where Link is. Groose, in particular, would have no reason to join the Hyrulean forces at a point where the Goddess Sword hasn’t left Skyloft yet, since his only motivator prior to his character development was to gain favor from his era’s iteration of Zelda.
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** It did have two though? Ghirahim was right there.
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* Why does the game only feature one character from ''Skyward Sword'''s era while the other eras each contribute two characters? Could they not think of anyone else besides Fi? What about Groose?
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** But this game follows the child timeline, which means that Sheik never happened in the [=OoT=] era. Now if we had Medli, Linebeck, and Byrne instead of Agitha, Midna, and Zant, THEN your argument would hold some weight.
** This game doesn't follow any of the timelines, it's its own thing aside from the canon.
** No, it clearly follows the child timeline. Non-canon it may be, (which is bullcrap in my opinion, especially when there's a Game Over timeline) but this game takes place in the child timeline. Wind Waker is treated as a parallel universe, and we have Twilight Princess characters. Anyway, Zelda probably didn't know her ancestor used the Sheik guise in another timeline. She likely just figured posing as a Sheikah would be the most effective way to hide. She mostly relies on her harp as Sheik, so [[WildMassGuessing perhaps her martial arts came from training with Impa, which Zelda slightly modified for her ninja disguise.]] And it's clear Impa is important to her (she sticks solely to Impa the entire time she's disguised), so that may have played a part.
*** The reason the game is non-canon is so Nintendo doesn't have explain why every character in the series has had these awesome combat movesets all this time and yet never bothered to use them.
** Correct me if I'm wrong, but Zelda didn't know that her enemy was a time-gazing witch when she assumed the Sheik disguise...right? So at that point in time, she could be forgiven for assuming it to be an effective disguise.




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** Midna mentioned the existence of guardian gods in her realm back in ''Twilight Princess'', so it's not out of the question that a Great Fairy could live there, as well. As for the effects of living there, it's only the "evil" twilight Zant casts over Hyrule that transforms light-dwellers into spirits; the natural twilight of Midna's realm only effects people long-term, seemingly by causing them to evolve into the forms the Twili take. And not only is the Great Fairy an immensely powerful magical being who probably wouldn't be affected by the twilight, but she only spends a few minutes in the twilight each time she's summoned at her fountain.

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In hindsight, the blurb about Skull Kid was sort of a stupid question on my part.


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* Why does ''Legends'' have Skull Kid wearing Majora's Mask when you play as him? It may sound like I'm nitpicking, but the mask was supposed to be a bad influence on him, drawing strength from Skull Kid's depression and bitterness in order to try and cause mayhem. He was just a lonely child who was using the mask to take out his anger on others...It clearly wasn't supposed to be a ''good thing'' that he was using it, and he seemed to learn to make friends without it in the end, so why is he shown using it here?

** It's iconic to his character, a similarly could be said about the fused shadows. They were destroyed in Twlight Princess, yet imp Midna wears it.
** But the Fused Shadows didn't do anything ''evil'' like Majora's Mask did. Besides, just because it's iconic? What sort of a message is that? "It's okay to use something that's addictive and very, very bad for you, as long as it looks cool? As long as people like you more when you're wearing it?"
*** Excuse me, what? The Fused Shadows are shown to be ''very'' evil, and ''very'' corrupting, in much the same way Majora's Mask is. Fyrus is a downright good Goron turned into a monster by mere proximity to a single piece of the Fused Shadow, Lanayru waens Link about its corrupting influence, and Midna is shown to have very flimsy control of the full artifact when she uses it. The effects may be less world-ending than Majora's Mask, but it's definitely not a safe artifact.
** You do know every piece of fanservice isn't there to send some moralistic message, right? It's there because it's identified with the character. You asked the question, you got the answer.
** Skull Kid is in this game as a villain. Him using the mask is not supposed to be seen as a "good thing" at all.
** There are some quotes he has that also show the mask may have more control over skull kid than he realizes.
** To add to that, there's his boss intro, giving him the title "Majora's Puppet: Skull Kid", a much more sinister title compared to "Demon Lord: Ghirahim" or "The Hero: Link", showing that Skull Kid is not fully in control of his actions.
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** It could also be in reference to the fact that the Link who wielded the Kokomo Sword also was given a shield that belonged to the Hero of Winds, although originally it was one of the shields from Phantom Hoyrglass as opposed to The Wind Waker.
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** It also takes more than just "bad" qualities to make someone an evil person. It's never said that Lana was the "goodness" purged out of Cia; she was just Cia's "better half" who helped keep her negative impulses in check. And Lana helping Cia to make her HeelFaceTurn works in the same way; she convinced Cia to be a better person in the same way she did when they were one.
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*** Excuse me, what? The Fused Shadows are shown to be ''very'' evil, and ''very'' corrupting, in much the same way Majora's Mask is. Fyrus is a downright good Goron turned into a monster by mere proximity to a single piece of the Fused Shadow, Lanayru waens Link about its corrupting influence, and Midna is shown to have very flimsy control of the full artifact when she uses it. The effects may be less world-ending than Majora's Mask, but it's definitely not a safe artifact.
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** They probably wanted the level 3 weapon to stand out more, as most weapons have a clear rise in design complexity as they level up. The shield from Spirit Tracks, even though it has a different colour and design, is not that obviously "better", and the Lokomo and Phantom Swords are also quite similar, so they chose to bump up the shield to WW's Mirror Shield instead.
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** Character development. She may have started as a being made of all the darkness in original Cia/Lana's soul, but by all means she has become her own person after the split, and thus is capable of changing and improving as a person.
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* Her "good side" is Lana. Even without Ganondorf corrupting Cia anymore, her good side is simply no longer part of her. Without remerging with Lana, how is it possible for her to ''not'' be evil, or at best neutral?
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** The general rule in the main games seems to be that Link will either have a childhood friend he's interested in, or he gets paired with Zelda. And ignoring that, Cia does tell Lana that they've both seen how their hopes will be dashed; in other words, with or without Zelda, it's apparently fated that Link will never choose either of them. That could be where their true anguish lies: not with Link for neglecting to choose them, but with the tragic fates they've been assigned that bar them off from him.
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** Correct me if I'm wrong, but Zelda didn't know that her enemy was a time-gazing witch when she assumed the Sheik disguise...right? So at that point in time, she could be forgiven for assuming it to be an effective disguise.
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** Perhaps the Guardian is there to signal others to step in. To awaken a Link, or direct intervention from the Goddesses

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** Perhaps the Guardian is there to signal others to step in. To awaken a Link, or direct intervention from the GoddessesGoddesses. Either that, or they're simply supposed to chronicle history as it occurs, for good or ill (thus the existence of both the WW timeline and the "Link falls" timelines in canon)
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** Perhaps the Guardian is there to signal others to step in. To awaken a Link, or direct intervention from the Goddesses
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* So both Cia and Ganondorf end up obtaining the complete Triforce at different points in the game, with Cia making it look criminally easy. Cia's goal is to have Link all to herself, so she uses the Triforce's omnipotent power to... mix the timelines together for the BiggerBad's evil plan. Why didn't Cia just wish for Link to be hers forever and for Zelda to vanish? And when Ganondorf tries to hijack the plot, she separates the Triforce, then uses the Triforce of Power to seal Ganondorf. WHY?! Why couldn't she use the whole Triforce for that? What was the point of separating it? And then we have the latter, who uses the Triforce to gather power to become Ganon again. That is more reasonable, but that still begs the question why he didn't use the Triforce to wish for all the heroes to vanish as soon as the battle started going south. Both villains get the ultimate power and they both waste it! Is there any reason behind this or is it just bad writing?

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* So both Cia and Ganondorf end up obtaining the complete Triforce at different points in the game, with Cia making it look criminally easy. Cia's goal is to have Link all to herself, so she uses the Triforce's omnipotent power to... mix the timelines together for the BiggerBad's evil plan. Why didn't Cia just wish for Link to be hers forever and for Zelda to vanish? And when Ganondorf tries to hijack the plot, she separates the Triforce, then uses the Triforce of Power to seal Ganondorf. WHY?! Why couldn't she use the whole Triforce for that? What was the point of separating it? And then we have the latter, who uses the Triforce to gather power to become Ganon again. That is more reasonable, but that still begs the question why he didn't use the Triforce to wish for all the heroes to vanish as soon as the battle started going south. Both villains get the ultimate power and they both waste it! Is there any reason behind this or is it just bad writing?

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** Maybe Cia doesn't want to wish for Link's love because it's something she wants to earn for herself? I mean, yeah, trying to kill him and his friends and generally acting against everything he's ever stood for obviously isn't the best way to win him over, but it makes sense that she'd want to ''try'' to win his affection legitimately.



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* If the Guardian of Time was intended to keep eternal watch over the timelines, but ''without interfering''...If she can't interfere in anything, why is she keeping watch in the first place? If something were to go wrong, what could she do to remedy it that wouldn't qualify as interfering?
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** [[spoiler:By that time, there was no point in hiding her true identity, since Cia already discovered the secret after gaining the Triforce of Wisdom from her Sheik alter ego.]]
** RuleOfCool. She needed to have a cool reveal while fighting [[spoiler:Dark Zelda/Wizzro.]]
** As far as how Zelda learned to fight as Sheik, it could be HandWaved if one assumes the "Guise of Sheik" is just another magical weapon of the Hyrulian Royal Family. ''Ocarina of Time'' Zelda used Sheik in the past, so perhaps the magical powers that allowed that Zelda to be a Sheikah Warrior was passed down generations, the same as the Goddess Harp, Royal Rapier, Wind Waker, and Dominion Rod. As for ''why'' she remained as Sheik [[spoiler:after her Triforce piece was stolen]], it could be that she was afraid that if she revealed herself, Impa would refuse to let her continue fighting, and this Zelda didn't want to just sit safely in her castle while her entire kingdom was in peril. Of course, a lot of this is just conjecture.

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** [[spoiler:By By that time, there was no point in hiding her true identity, since Cia already discovered the secret after gaining the Triforce of Wisdom from her Sheik alter ego.]]
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** RuleOfCool. She needed to have a cool reveal while fighting [[spoiler:Dark Zelda/Wizzro.]]
Dark Zelda[=/=]Wizzro.
** As far as how Zelda learned to fight as Sheik, it could be HandWaved if one assumes the "Guise of Sheik" is just another magical weapon of the Hyrulian Royal Family. ''Ocarina of Time'' Zelda used Sheik in the past, so perhaps the magical powers that allowed that Zelda to be a Sheikah Warrior was passed down generations, the same as the Goddess Harp, Royal Rapier, Wind Waker, and Dominion Rod. As for ''why'' she remained as Sheik [[spoiler:after after her Triforce piece was stolen]], stolen, it could be that she was afraid that if she revealed herself, Impa would refuse to let her continue fighting, and this Zelda didn't want to just sit safely in her castle while her entire kingdom was in peril. Of course, a lot of this is just conjecture.



* Related to the above, aside from just having a reason to get her into the game, ''what exactly'' was the point of the whole Sheik persona? Zelda's excuse was flimsy at best. Cia [[spoiler:stole her Triforce 2 levels]] before Zelda turned back to normal. And the enemy even used Zelda's disappearance to cause even more trouble for the Hylian forces. And of course, once she changes back, the whole thing is never mentioned again.

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* Related to the above, aside from just having a reason to get her into the game, ''what exactly'' was the point of the whole Sheik persona? Zelda's excuse was flimsy at best. Cia [[spoiler:stole stole her Triforce 2 levels]] two levels before Zelda turned back to normal. And the enemy even used Zelda's disappearance to cause even more trouble for the Hylian forces. And of course, once she changes back, the whole thing is never mentioned again.



* Cia's the one who cursed Midna in this game, right? How is she gonna fix that? [[spoiler:She never does get cured of the condition at the end, which takes place after Cia's death, even.]]

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* Cia's the one who cursed Midna in this game, right? How is she gonna fix that? [[spoiler:She She never does get cured of the condition at the end, which takes place after Cia's death, even.]]



* So both Cia and [[spoiler:Ganondorf]] end up obtaining the complete Triforce at different points in the game, with Cia making it look criminally easy. Cia's goal is to have Link all to herself, so she uses the Triforce's omnipotent power to... mix the timelines together for the BiggerBad's evil plan. Why didn't Cia just wish for Link to be hers forever and for Zelda to vanish? And when [[spoiler:Ganondorf tries to hijack the plot, she separates the Triforce, then uses the Triforce of Power to seal Ganondorf. WHY?! Why couldn't she use the whole Triforce for that? What was the point of seperating it?]] And then we have the latter, who uses the Triforce to [[spoiler:gather power to become Ganon again.]] That is more reasonable, but that still begs the question [[spoiler:why he didn't use the Triforce to wish for all the heroes to vanish as soon as the battle started going south.]] Both villains get the ultimate power and they both waste it! Is there any reason behind this or is it just bad writing?

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* So both Cia and [[spoiler:Ganondorf]] Ganondorf end up obtaining the complete Triforce at different points in the game, with Cia making it look criminally easy. Cia's goal is to have Link all to herself, so she uses the Triforce's omnipotent power to... mix the timelines together for the BiggerBad's evil plan. Why didn't Cia just wish for Link to be hers forever and for Zelda to vanish? And when [[spoiler:Ganondorf Ganondorf tries to hijack the plot, she separates the Triforce, then uses the Triforce of Power to seal Ganondorf. WHY?! Why couldn't she use the whole Triforce for that? What was the point of seperating it?]] separating it? And then we have the latter, who uses the Triforce to [[spoiler:gather gather power to become Ganon again.]] again. That is more reasonable, but that still begs the question [[spoiler:why why he didn't use the Triforce to wish for all the heroes to vanish as soon as the battle started going south.]] south. Both villains get the ultimate power and they both waste it! Is there any reason behind this or is it just bad writing?



** Perhaps evil fell to vices: Cia to pettiness and [[spoiler:Ganondorf]] to pride. At first, under the BigBad's influence, Cia was not able to bring about her own wish, and later, in order to spite [[spoiler:Ganondorf]], she performs her acts in defiance of the BigBad. As for [[spoiler:Ganondorf]] -- come on, it's [[spoiler:the King of Evil himself]], they've got to show their stuff, which translates to personally squashing the resistance with extreme prejudice.

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** Perhaps evil fell to vices: Cia to pettiness and [[spoiler:Ganondorf]] Ganondorf to pride. At first, under the BigBad's influence, Cia was not able to bring about her own wish, and later, in order to spite [[spoiler:Ganondorf]], Ganondorf, she performs her acts in defiance of the BigBad. As for [[spoiler:Ganondorf]] Ganondorf -- come on, it's [[spoiler:the the King of Evil himself]], himself, they've got to show their stuff, which translates to personally squashing the resistance with extreme prejudice.



** I kind of took the 'destined for each other' bit as more that their destinies would always intertwine due to the triforce and such, doesn't necessarily have to be romantic (big case being Twilight Princess). Mind you, I ship Zelink like nobodies business (TP being like the only exception due to Midna and Illia having better chemistry with Link in that game), but I think the 'destined for romance' idea may have been an oversight in the writing or the translation. At the very least, the way I see it is Cia, watching Link and Zelda's destinies constantly being involved with each other, regardless of how platonic they may be, became jealous of how they were destined to be involved in each other's lives. That being said, while the relationship wasn't handled particularly well, the game's story is as basic as basic gets. I don't think it was meant to be deep anyway so this could be over analyzing what is supposed to be a fairly shallow story.

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** I kind of took the 'destined for each other' bit as more that their destinies would always intertwine due to the triforce and such, doesn't necessarily have to be romantic (big case being Twilight Princess). Mind you, I ship Zelink like nobodies business (TP being like the only exception due to Midna and Illia having better chemistry with Link in that game), but I think the 'destined for romance' idea may have been an oversight in the writing or the translation. At the very least, the way I see it is Cia, watching Link and Zelda's destinies constantly being involved with each other, regardless of how platonic they may be, became jealous of how they were destined to be involved in each other's lives. That being said, while the relationship wasn't handled particularly well, the game's story is as basic as basic gets. I don't think it was meant to be deep anyway so this could be over analyzing over-analyzing what is supposed to be a fairly shallow story.



** Legends expands the story a bit more, and in the new ending [[spoiler:Cia is resurrected and Lana and Cia work together as the guardians of the timelines.]]

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** Legends expands the story a bit more, and in the new ending [[spoiler:Cia Cia is resurrected and Lana and Cia work together as the guardians of the timelines.]]
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* As a related question, exactly how did a Great Fairy start hanging out in the Twilight Realm? And does any of that above stuff affect her?
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*** Maybe Navi knows SOMETHING about "Zelda" was off. She doesn't know exactly what, but can perceive that whatever that person is, it's not the Zelda of her era
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*** To add to this, Tetra in ''The Wind Waker'' actually has a lot in common with Sheik, in terms of her appearance and skillset. Maybe the princess who survived the Great Flood assumed the guise of Sheik in order to hide herself better on the Great Sea, and Tetra is what the royal family looks like after several generations under this disguise. Also explains why she loses her tan once she's revealed as Princess Zelda, just like Sheik did in ''Ocarina of Time''.
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* Where is Toon Zelda's body while she's busy fighting foes in ''Hyrule Warriors''? If it's during the time that Malladus was possessing it, why isn't she doing anything to try and get it back? If not, does that mean her spirit can leave her body at will now?
** Presumably tucked away so it won't git dirty.
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*Because it is fanservice, it is not supposed to follow the games.
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** To add to that, there's his boss intro, giving him the title "Majora's Puppet: Skull Kid", a much more sinister title compared to "Demon Lord: Ghirahim" or "The Hero: Link", showing that Skull Kid is not fully in control of his actions.
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*** The reason the game is non-canon is so Nintendo doesn't have explain why every character in the series has had these awesome combat movesets all this time and yet never bothered to use them.
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** Maybe saying "someone named Zelda" instead of just "Zelda" was her way of differentiating between the newcomer and the princess from her own time?

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** Maybe saying "someone named Zelda" instead of just "Zelda" was her way of differentiating between the newcomer and the princess from her own time?
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** Maybe saying "someone named Zelda" instead of just "Zelda" was her way of differentiating between the newcomer and the princess from her own time?



** Hey, maybe she did wish for Link to be hers, in a way... Maybe she wished for it to make her happier by letting her have a loving relationship with Link, but the Triforce did so by giving this relationship to Lana, her other half, in the form of a ''friendship'' as opposed to a romantic one. It was Lana accepting Link as a friend and conveying this feeling of acceptance to Cia that allowed her to attain happiness, if only briefly, in the end... Maybe.

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** Hey, maybe she did wish for Link to be hers, in a way... Maybe she wished for it to make her happier by letting her have a loving relationship with Link, but the Triforce did so by giving this relationship to Lana, her other half, in the form of a ''friendship'' as opposed to a romantic one. It was Lana accepting Link as a friend and conveying this feeling of acceptance to Cia that allowed her to attain happiness, if only briefly, in the end... Maybe.
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** This does stand out when Navi asks Impa and Sheik for help. According to her, someone named Zelda showed up and kidnapped Princess Ruto. She doesn't recognize the name of the very-much-alive princess from her own era?
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**Perhaps Ghirahim was created by Demise as not just a weapon, but a minion who can act and fight on his own? Meanwhile Fi was always meant to just be a support for the Hero rather than a combatant in her own right, so her physical form is more fragile.

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