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* So during the film's prologue, it's said that when Godzilla was awakened and began attacking nuclear submarines from both the USA and the USSR, both countries, upon learning of his existence, conducted a series of nuclear attacks against him under the guise of "tests". Just.... why? Did it not occur to them that this common enemy of theirs and the nature of these attacks had some kind of connection? Not only that, but they were wanting to take out possibly the biggest scientific discovery ever instead of possibly studying it like MONARCH wanted to do. It just wouldn't make sense for them to wanna kill it, let alone kill it with nukes.
** Because it's a fuck-off huge giant reptile which kept attacking their nuclear arsenals. There comes a point where the urge to study it comes second to the "let's just make it dead so it can't keep attacking and killing us and destroying our nuclear deterrent" urge.
** Also, the question of "why did they attack it with nuclear weapons when they first woke it up?" hinges on the knowledge that radiation and nuclear weaponry was harmless to them... which the Americans and Soviets would have had ''no possible way of knowing'' when first they first encountered Godzilla. It was almost certainly ''through'' the nuclear 'tests' that they ''learned'' that radiation did nothing against them.
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[[folder: Nukes against the biggest scientific find ever?]]
* So during the film's prologue, it's said that when Godzilla was awakened and began attacking nuclear submarines from both the USA and the USSR, both countries, upon learning of his existence, conducted a series of nuclear attacks against him under the guise of "tests". Just.... why? Did it not occur to them that this common enemy of theirs and the nature of these attacks had some kind of connection? Not only that, but they were wanting to take out possibly the biggest scientific discovery ever instead of possibly studying it like MONARCH wanted to do. It just wouldn't make sense for them to wanna kill it, let alone kill it with nukes.
** Because it's a fuck-off huge giant reptile which kept attacking their nuclear arsenals. There comes a point where the urge to study it comes second to the "let's just make it dead so it can't keep attacking and killing us and destroying our nuclear deterrent" urge.
** Also, the question of "why did they attack it with nuclear weapons when they first woke it up?" hinges on the knowledge that radiation and nuclear weaponry was harmless to them... which the Americans and Soviets would have had ''no possible way of knowing'' when first they first encountered Godzilla. It was almost certainly ''through'' the nuclear 'tests' that they ''learned'' that radiation did nothing against them.
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* How the '''''fuck''''' did the military [[WhatAnIdiot not notice the giant hole in Yucca Mountain or the giant monster that created that hole currently marching across the desert]]?

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* How the '''''fuck''''' did the military [[WhatAnIdiot not notice the giant hole in Yucca Mountain or the giant monster that created that hole currently marching across the desert]]?desert?
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[[folder: Nukes against the biggest scientific find ever?]]
* So during the film's prologue, it's said that when Godzilla was awakened and began attacking nuclear submarines from both the USA and the USSR, both countries, upon learning of his existence, conducted a series of nuclear attacks against him under the guise of "tests". Just.... why? Did it not occur to them that this common enemy of theirs and the nature of these attacks had some kind of connection? Not only that, but they were wanting to take out possibly the biggest scientific discovery ever instead of possibly studying it like MONARCH wanted to do. It just wouldn't make sense for them to wanna kill it, let alone kill it with nukes.
** Because it's a fuck-off huge giant reptile which kept attacking their nuclear arsenals. There comes a point where the urge to study it comes second to the "let's just make it dead so it can't keep attacking and killing us and destroying our nuclear deterrent" urge.
** Also, the question of "why did they attack it with nuclear weapons when they first woke it up?" hinges on the knowledge that radiation and nuclear weaponry was harmless to them... which the Americans and Soviets would have had ''no possible way of knowing'' when first they first encountered Godzilla. It was almost certainly ''through'' the nuclear 'tests' that they ''learned'' that radiation did nothing against them.
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** Same reason you can't use Google Maps for other kinds of spying. Governments and even private citizens can request areas be blurred out. Monarch was able to quarantine an entire city area for fifteen years without anyone figuring out it wasn't radioactive. Blurring out the reactor, if not the entire quarantine zone, under the guise of discouraging people from trying to explore or such would be easy compared to that. Building a dome of that size strong enough to keep something in would be ridiculously expensive... and the MUTO would have taken maybe an extra second or two to break out of it, like an eggshell. They were counting on killing it before it hatched.
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* Ok so, I rewatched the film and noticed that the Monarch containment facility in Janjira ''is open to the fucking sky''. You can clearly see this when the electrified wires swing out into place. '''Why?''' Any idiot on Google Maps could be scrolling across Japan and see the ''giant eldritch-looking cocoon'' in the ruins of the nuclear facility. Frankly, I'm surprised Joe Brody didn't try that. And even though the containment facility predates Google Maps by five years, that doesn't excuse Monarch being idiots yet again. What if (as would eventually be true) whatever was in the cocoon could fly? It could escape in an instant, which it did. Why not build a dome over the cocoon, say it's to help contain the nonexistant radiation?
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** He's been pretty bashed up and is pretty significantly injured, dazed and exhausted by that point, in total fairness; he probably only feels up to the relatively simple mental / physical action of "push boat with hook" than the comparatively more fiddly, intensive and time-consuming activity of using an 'unwieldy' boat hook to lever open a cover that's been pretty well and truly jammed shut by that point.
** Also, it's a bit blink and you miss it, but when pushing the boat away he staggers and accidentally drops the boat hook into the water. He may have been ''intending'' to use the boat hook to try and jimmy open the cover while the boat was moving away, but also wanted to get the boat as far away from land as possible just in case he was unable to succeed in doing so before the timer ran out. Unfortunately, he dropped the hook; there goes that plan.


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*** Not quite; Godzilla's atomic breath is a concentrated jet of thermonuclear fire and energy (and one which, it's not hard to surmise is several orders of magnitude more powerful than even the most powerful nuclear explosion), but the blast from a nuclear explosion would be distributed over a wider area. For comparison's sake, picture being hit with a jet of water from a hose with the "jet" setting on, versus being hit with that same water from a hose with the "cloud / sprinkler" function on. Same water, but the former is concentrated, whereas the latter is dispersed, making the former more painful.
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** Also, the question of "why did they attack it with nuclear weapons when they first woke it up?" hinges on the knowledge that radiation and nuclear weaponry was harmless to them... which the Americans and Soviets would have had ''no possible way of knowing'' when first they first encountered Godzilla. It was almost certainly ''through'' the nuclear 'tests' that they ''learned'' that radiation did nothing against them.
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** Because it's a fuck-off huge giant reptile which kept attacking their nuclear arsenals. There comes a point where the urge to study it comes second to the "let's just make it dead so it can't keep attacking and killing us and destroying our nuclear deterrent" urge.
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** Well, they may be fertilized but dormant. Meeting the male who brings food was probably the trigger for their further development.

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** Well, they may be fertilized but dormant. Meeting the male who brings food was probably the trigger for their further development. Note that when they met he handed her a nuke, which she promptly pressed against the eggs.
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* So during the film's prologue, it's said that when Godzilla was awakened and began attacking nuclear submarines from both the USA and the USSR, both countries, upon learning of his existence, conducted a series of nuclear attacks against him under the guise of "tests". Just.... why? Couldn't they have put two-and-two together and realized that this common enemy of theirs and the nature of these attacks had some kind of connection? Not only that, but they were wanting to take out possibly the biggest scientific discovery ever instead of possibly studying it like MONARCH wanted to do. It just wouldn't make sense for them to wanna kill it, let alone kill it with nukes.

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* So during the film's prologue, it's said that when Godzilla was awakened and began attacking nuclear submarines from both the USA and the USSR, both countries, upon learning of his existence, conducted a series of nuclear attacks against him under the guise of "tests". Just.... why? Couldn't they have put two-and-two together and realized Did it not occur to them that this common enemy of theirs and the nature of these attacks had some kind of connection? Not only that, but they were wanting to take out possibly the biggest scientific discovery ever instead of possibly studying it like MONARCH wanted to do. It just wouldn't make sense for them to wanna kill it, let alone kill it with nukes.
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* So during the film's prologue, it's said that when Godzilla was awakened and began attacking nuclear submarines from both the USA and the USSR, both countries, upon learning of his existence, conducted a series of nuclear attacks against him under the guise of "tests". Just.... why? Couldn't they have put two-and-two together and realized that this common enemy of theirs and the nature of these attacks had some kind of connection? Not only that, but they were wanting to take out possibly the biggest scientific discovery ever instead of possibly studying it like MONARCH wanted to do. It just wouldn't make sense for them to wanna kill it, let alone kill it with nukes.
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*** Or perhaps they didn't ''die'' from Hiroshima, but they became progressively more withdrawn, morbid, and depressed from the trauma and watching ''other'' survivors die slow cancer deaths, to the point where they no longer had the wherewithal to raise or show affection to their small son. There's more than one way a person can be "taken from" another person by tragedy, after all, and Serizawa may have inherited his obsessive tendencies from them.
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** EMPs work by causing a power surge through circuits, frying things attached to the circuit, the less complex a device is, the less the damage the EMP will cause, something like a radio, won't get fried that bad, it might need repairs, but it should still function, the bit that get's me is most modern military vehicles are actually tested against EMP, therefor fighter jets falling out of the sky, shouldn't work.

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** EMPs {{EMP}}s work by causing a power surge through circuits, frying things attached to the circuit, the less complex a device is, the less the damage the EMP will cause, something like a radio, won't get fried that bad, it might need repairs, but it should still function, the bit that get's me is most modern military vehicles are actually tested against EMP, therefor fighter jets falling out of the sky, shouldn't work.
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*** Stopping off at nearby plants for a snack on the way? Diablo Canyon and San Onofre are on it's projected route, while San Onofre is decommissioned, it still contains spent fuel it could have a quick munch on.

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** Femuto Walked through Las Vegas then swung around to head to San Francisco, that weird route, might be explained as it going to the San Onofre Plant (while Decommissioned, still has near 2000 tons of spent fuel in it), to stock up before heading to San Francisco, the Kaiju equivalent to popping into a store for a bag of chips on the way.
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** EMPs work by causing a power surge through circuits, frying things attached to the circuit, the less complex a device is, the less the damage the EMP will cause, something like a radio, won't get fried that bad, it might need repairs, but it should still function, the bit that get's me is most modern military vehicles are actually tested against EMP, therefor fighter jets falling out of the sky, shouldn't work.
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** Maybe Serizawa's grasp of English isn't 100%, and he'd been thinking in terms of "pupa" but his imperfect grasp of the language kept tossing out "spore" instead. The [=MUTOs=] do resemble insects, after all.

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** Maybe Serizawa's grasp mastery of English isn't 100%, and he'd been thinking in terms of "pupa" but his imperfect grasp of the language kept tossing out "spore" instead. The [=MUTOs=] do resemble insects, after all.
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** Maybe Sherizawa's grasp of English isn't 100%, and he'd been thinking in terms of "pupa" but his imperfect grasp of the language kept tossing out "spore" instead.

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** Maybe Sherizawa's Serizawa's grasp of English isn't 100%, and he'd been thinking in terms of "pupa" but his imperfect grasp of the language kept tossing out "spore" instead.instead. The [=MUTOs=] do resemble insects, after all.
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** Maybe Sherizawa's grasp of English isn't 100%, and he'd been thinking in terms of "pupa" but his imperfect grasp of the language kept tossing out "spore" instead.
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** Did Serizawa ever even claim that the fossilized carcass was that of an ''adult'' Godzilla? Could be that MUTOs attacked juveniles when they had the chance to eliminate them, same as many herbivores will stomp baby carnivores into a wet stain in the dirt if they find them unguarded.

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** Did Serizawa ever even claim that the fossilized carcass was that of an ''adult'' Godzilla? Could be that MUTOs [=MUTO=]s attacked juveniles when they had the chance to eliminate them, same as many herbivores will stomp baby carnivores into a wet stain in the dirt if they find them unguarded.
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** Did Serizawa ever even claim that the fossilized carcass was that of an ''adult'' Godzilla? Could be that MUTOs attacked juveniles when they had the chance to eliminate them, same as many herbivores will stomp baby carnivores into a wet stain in the dirt if they find them unguarded.
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** That seems to be the implication in the film: the [=MUTOs=] need to soak up a lot of radiation to metamorphose from a larval form into an adult form. The Godzilla carcass buried under the Earth for a zillion years didn't have enough radiation in it to complete that process, apparently, so they [=MUTOs=] only finished their metamorphosis when the male was left in the Janjira plant and the female was left in a mountain full of radioactive waste.
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** That's naval guns. On the land side of the equation, a 155mm howitzer can reach out and touch someone up to 11 miles away, which is over twice the MUTO's EMP radius. Those probably aren't enough to hit Godzilla (given the shit the big G tanked, you honestly wonder if 16-inch naval guns would be enough), but might have done something vs. the MUTOs.

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** That's naval guns. On the land side of the equation, a 155mm howitzer can reach out and touch someone up to 11 miles away, which is over twice the MUTO's EMP radius. Those probably aren't enough to hit Godzilla (given the shit the big G tanked, you honestly wonder if 16-inch naval guns would be enough), but might have done something vs. the MUTOs.[=MUTOs=].
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** I'm suggesting this on the assumption that the nukes MIGHT only make the kaiju more powerful. Ecological damage is a small concern, we've detonated tons of nukes with manageable damage to the environment, they could easily light off a nuke off the coast to draw the three in and then carpet bomb the area with non-nuclear munitions. They could even drop them from high enough that the MUTOs' [=EMPs=] wouldn't knock out their planes.

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** I'm suggesting this on the assumption that the nukes MIGHT only make the kaiju more powerful. Ecological damage is a small concern, we've detonated tons of nukes with manageable damage to the environment, they could easily light off a nuke off the coast to draw the three in and then carpet bomb the area with non-nuclear munitions. They could even drop them from high enough that the MUTOs' [=MUTOs=]' [=EMPs=] wouldn't knock out their planes.



** Using the biggest nuke you have on them is really the only sensible plan. If the monster can survive being hit by a multi-megaton nuclear warhead then does it even matter if you've made it stronger? No conventional weapon was going to hurt it anyway. With a thermobaric weapon you're talking about a few thousand degrees. With a hydrogen bomb you're talking about tens of millions. If there were going to be able to kill it with physical force at all, the nuke would do it. If not, you're screwed anyway. The alternative plan- hope that Godzilla kills the MUTOs and then just goes away- really only looks sensible when you're counting on narrative convention.

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** Using the biggest nuke you have on them is really the only sensible plan. If the monster can survive being hit by a multi-megaton nuclear warhead then does it even matter if you've made it stronger? No conventional weapon was going to hurt it anyway. With a thermobaric weapon you're talking about a few thousand degrees. With a hydrogen bomb you're talking about tens of millions. If there were going to be able to kill it with physical force at all, the nuke would do it. If not, you're screwed anyway. The alternative plan- hope that Godzilla kills the MUTOs [=MUTOs=] and then just goes away- really only looks sensible when you're counting on narrative convention.



** Given the male caught and devoured a Russian submarine with apparently very little effort, the MUTOs are fantastic swimmers. Deploying more submarines would just be giving them more food.

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** Given the male caught and devoured a Russian submarine with apparently very little effort, the MUTOs [=MUTOs=] are fantastic swimmers. Deploying more submarines would just be giving them more food.



** The MUTOs used electromagnetism to communicate with each other over long distances. The fact that it could be used as a weapon against human tech was entirely fortuitous for them.

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** The MUTOs [=MUTOs=] used electromagnetism to communicate with each other over long distances. The fact that it could be used as a weapon against human tech was entirely fortuitous for them.



** They literally have nothing else to throw at it. The MUTOs have taken everything the military could possibly throw at them none the worse for the wear and inflicted massive causalities in return. They're not even 100% sure ''nukes'' will work, because we saw Godzilla survive several when they tried to kill it in the 50's without a scratch. They're backing Godzilla because it's the only thing that might work to stop them.

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** They literally have nothing else to throw at it. The MUTOs [=MUTOs=] have taken everything the military could possibly throw at them none the worse for the wear and inflicted massive causalities in return. They're not even 100% sure ''nukes'' will work, because we saw Godzilla survive several when they tried to kill it in the 50's without a scratch. They're backing Godzilla because it's the only thing that might work to stop them.
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** EODs are technically special forces. While they're not as badass as [=SEALs=] or Rangers, they're expected to deploy with Marines and keep up with them.

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** EODs [=EODs=] are technically special forces. While they're not as badass as [=SEALs=] or Rangers, they're expected to deploy with Marines and keep up with them.



** Are EODs typically trained to arm/disarm nuclear warheads as well in real life? Or is that just a case of the filmmakers not doing their homework?

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** Are EODs [=EODs=] typically trained to arm/disarm nuclear warheads as well in real life? Or is that just a case of the filmmakers not doing their homework?



** They were briefed, that's actually mentioned onscreen as the reason why they were transporting the nuke with a train, a no-fly zone around the [=MUTOs=] was established. As for why Raptors were deployed in SanFran, think about the movie events. The original plan was to lure the [=MUTOs=] miles offshore, but then Godzilla swam faster and got there way ahead of the projections. The military hastily put ut a line of defense, and then things got even more screwed up when the male [=MUTO=] also got there quicker than expected and catched everybody by surpriose. The Raptors were deployed for Godzilla, not against the [=MUTOs=].

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** They were briefed, that's actually mentioned onscreen as the reason why they were transporting the nuke with a train, a no-fly zone around the [=MUTOs=] was established. As for why Raptors were deployed in SanFran, San Fran, think about the movie events. The original plan was to lure the [=MUTOs=] miles offshore, but then Godzilla swam faster and got there way ahead of the projections. The military hastily put ut a line of defense, and then things got even more screwed up when the male [=MUTO=] also got there quicker than expected and catched caught everybody by surpriose.surprise. The Raptors were deployed for Godzilla, not against the [=MUTOs=].
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** As it turns out, the EMPs are indeed a defensive measure; they’re capable of disabling the atomic breath. Hence why Godzilla only used it twice; he physically couldn’t!

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** As it turns out, the EMPs [=EMPs=] are indeed a defensive measure; they’re capable of disabling the atomic breath. Hence why Godzilla only used it twice; he physically couldn’t!
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**As it turns out, the EMPs are indeed a defensive measure; they’re capable of disabling the atomic breath. Hence why Godzilla only used it twice; he physically couldn’t!

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