History Headscratchers / FinalDestination

* Why do these movies exist? Seriously, why do they exist? From a purely metalogical standpoint, the premise just makes no sense whatsoever: Someone has a premonition that a bunch of people including themselves will die horribly in an accident, saves some people and themselves from said accident, then they all (mostly) get killed one by one in a series of [[NecroNonSequitur bizarre accidents]] by the GrimReaper. Either Grimmy is bored with normal death, and is screwing with the vision-bearer ''just'' to cause the Rube Goldbergian deaths and get a chuckle, or he has no idea that the visions even exist, and ends up getting caught with his scythe up his pelvis when the supposed victims avoid their fate. Either way, what's the point?
** Because the writer was inspired by the episode "Twenty-two" from ''Series/TheTwilightZone1959'' and wanted to expand the story into a full length movie.
** Some dork in the US has obviously gotten his own Manga/DeathNote and is getting his chuckles by trying to see what are the most over-complicated ways he can kill someone.
*** Let's run with that theory for a second. Under this assumption, does it mean that some people have discovered ways to evade the power of the Death Note (through premonition), or that this dork is a truly sick mind, giving people visions to give them the false hope of escape?
*** I'm going to go with the latter. Never underestimate the human capacity for being seriously twisted.
*** Or the original "accidents" targeted specific people, allowing for the possibility of others not named in the Note to escape them. You then get into the god-complex suggestion below for the survivors.
*** Alternativly, the 'dork' in question has had the Note for a while and doesn't have a 'cause' or pursuers to keep things interesting, so they're getting a bit bored. Then a bunch of people escape death through visions and thanks to the dork having a truly sick sense of humour the idea of picking them off one by one as creatively as possible was too tempting to pass up.
** Because they're fun? Not quite sure what your problem is, though. Some people have visions of themselves being killed. By avoiding this, they incur the wrath of Death itself, which feels the need to correct the order of things. The deaths are elaborate because Death itself ''hates'' those that have escaped its grasp, as mentioned in Final Destination 3.
*** Yeah, but you gotta admit, the concept is kinda dumb. I remember figuring just how dumb it was after the first death, when the Reaper decided to ''cover up'' the fatal slip by pushing the soap back up into the bottle.
*** That has more to do with the directing and story-telling; if you notice Death tries to cover its tracks with Tod and Val Lewton and only in the first movie. It was originally intended for Death to act this way but the directors decided against it after those two scenes were filmed.
*** Indeed. This troper's big question is why Death doesn't just make them all terminal instead, since it would be much simpler. This led to the conclusion that Grimmy is just a show-off drama queen.
*** Not only is the concept dumb, but why is Death acting so malevolently? It has existed since the beginning of life, and therefore a human lifespan is less than the blink of an eye. Don't get me started about Death "having a plan;" that's just [[Main/YouCantFightFate an inescapable fate ordained by a sadistic higher power]], which bugs me more than a lame slasher flick.
*** I liked the premise, just as long as it was that their cards were marked and inexorable fate was cleaning up the loose ends with bizarre accidents, not through malice but cosmic accountancy. I could even buy the idea that they'd fallen into a world of portents and symbols, but having the train appear in a car window to forewarn them it was coming was where it jumped the marine creature. Then it unraveled with the second, and I haven't bothered with the third.
*** The third one (and the second one, but to a lesser extent) were more about "Hey! Let's see just exactly how far we can run this into the ground!" It was less of an actual [[NoPlotNoProblem plot]] and more of a way to see how many * cough* interesting ways they could kill people.
*** Can you imagine how the coroners felt when they had to write down "cause of death"? They probably went through a couple pens just describing those Tex Avery-esqe accidents.
*** In this troper's humble opinion, number three was the best because the [[NoPlotNoProblem lack of coherent story]] meant it could just take the concept to its logical extreme and not bog itself down in inane metaphysical discussion (FD2, I'm looking at you) and Creator/DevonSawa.
*** My own WMG on the series is that [[Film/TheOmen Damien Thorne]] was deputizing for Death. Same MO.
*** This troper's WMG on the series is that Death is setting up the Ultimate Kill, and to do that he needs practice setting up suitably awesome kills.
** Why you all be playa-hatin'? Death is ''clearly'' a huge fan of doing it for the lulz, and I ''respect'' that. Working so hard with [[DeathTakesAHoliday vacations]] few and far between, he deserves some fun.
** This troper believes that Death must be ''really'' into {{Gorn}}. Enough said.
** I like to think that [[WesternAnimation/TheGrimAdventuresOfBillyAndMandy Billy and Mandy]] have finally driven Grim off the deep end.
** I agree with the original question. What's the point? Even if you manage to defy death once, you have to keep doing it again and again (as the girl from the first movie proved in the second by locking herself up in an asylum.) And the end result? ''You're going to die anyway.'' It's inevitable, isn't it? In the end, even if it's many years later, the characters are going to die! Seems like a waste of time to spend all those years locked up doing nothing.
*** Well, here's the thing: the whole point of the movies is that the characters evade a gristly death due to a last-moment premonition, only to be hunted down by Death because their survival upset Death's books. The premonitions are the key, here: there's only two reasons someone would get a premonition -- 1. They were fated to die that day, but a higher power wants them to live for some reason, or 2. The writers were going for classic Greek irony and showing the futility of fighting fate by usually having the characters' attempts to avoid their doom be the very thing that causes it. As I stated before, if it's the former, it makes no sense, since it's clear that Death itself doesn't seem to realize the premonitions exist, and are just taking out the survivors out of spite for ruining his master plan, but the latter explanation doesn't seem to work, either, since there's [[IsntItIronic no dramatic irony created]] by having the characters survive due to a premonition only to be taken out by something completely different (and, usually, totally unrelated to how they would've died, in the first place). The correct dramatic irony would be if the characters survived the initial accident, but either died from a follow-up accident caused by the initial one ([[spoiler:like the first victim does by having a tire from the racecar crash decapitate her]]), or by dying by something similar or related in some way to the original accident (like how [[spoiler:the final three survivors of the coaster crash in the third movie died in a subway accident]]). It also flies in the face of how violently Death claims the survivors, and how everyone treats their survival as being ''against'' Death's plan; if Death ''was'' the one giving the characters the premonitions ([[spoiler:as is hinted in the fourth movie]]), then why is he doing it? What's the point? To make them die more spectacularly? Isn't that kind of petty of Death? The entire premise of the series is just so ludicrous and illogical, that there's just no way of consolidating it.
*** It pretty much goes like this; Final Destination 1 was about these kids cheating death and in turn the Grim Reaper trying to kill them again because they cheated him. But, as strange as this may sound, he was trying to kill them in a relatively believable way. Such as [[spoiler: Todd (Committed suicide due to SurvivorsGuilt) Terry (Hit by a bus) and Valerie (murdered by Alex)]] Even the more plausible deaths [[spoiler: Billy (decapitated by a loose chain whipped up from the wheel of a train) and Carter (hit by a large swinging billboard)]] are still somewhat believable. The sequels completely threw away the practicality of the first films deaths and tries to push the methods of execution to their logical extreme.
*** You can actually follow the path of things getting increasingly more unbelievable in the second movie. [[spoiler: Evan (Fell from fire escape and ladder was jostled free be the movement.) Tim (Pidgeons actually did disturb the man running the crane.) Nora(Err...well, Clear set up the elevator going up, so not too bad.) Kat (Delayed reaction to the airbag...alright. Pipes in the car...well, it makes sense in context.) Rory(Err...yah.) Eugene/Clear (Physically impossible.) and Brian(...hehe...)]]
*** Death only goes after them because he has to. Them remaining alive upset his other plans. The characters that survived in the second film were supposed to die during events in the first (Kat was on the bus that killed Terry, with Terry dying the bus was delayed and she missed dying at the bed and breakfast). That's not to mention whose fate the second movie survivors might have influenced and so on and so on. Death is basically stuck doing this until he kills off anyone whose original plan was thrown off.
*** It's easy to fall into a meta perspective from watching the movies, and that's that we know everybody will die. But the people in the movies haven't seen them so they don't know how futile it is. (Well, 1 and 5 at least. 2 veers into self awareness in how much these characters learn about the events of the first movie.). The characters are mostly under 30, and assume they will live for quite a long time. Does it make sense that Clear would lock herself in an asylum in terror after Carter and Alex died? Absolutely. It's kind of crazy, but crazy is what asylums are for. She might eventually have decided it was pointless (even without movie 2) and resigned herself to it. But not being killed is as primal as breathing. So regardless of what everyone figures out, they are going to fight. (And these take place over short periods of time. Eventually they might give up.)
** I get the feeling a person who thinks concepts they don't like, shouldn't exist, are often the people who know very little about what else exists out there.
** Strictly speaking, we only have Bludworth's (vague) explanation for what's occurring in these films. It's possible it's not "Death" or the Grim Reaper, but some malevolent spirit or whatever, perhaps Bludworth himself.
* In the third movie, during the scene with the girls dying in the tanning beds, the machine states that it can't be set any higher than a certain temperature. Why then, would it be built so it could?
** This is an example of one of the more ludicrous kills in FD. Although many of them would actually work, (the nailgun through the back of the head later on for example), some of them just plain don't. Death would have had to actually break the laws of physics to get those tanning beds to do what they did, which brings the interesting question of why bother shorting out the machinery when you can apparently reprogram the entire thing and put new parts in it as well. There's no physical way to die that fast in a tanning bed, they're specifically designed not to do that, and of all the FD kills, the tanning bed comes in a tie for the most ludicrous with the car engine that leaps out of the bonnet and eats the guy in the car in front. Death likes rewriting physics it seems.
*** I have just been informed that some of the books have even more stupidly ridiculous ways of killing people, such as a liposuction machine. I take back my previous statement about the tanning beds being the most ridiculous way of killing someone.
*** This troper recalls the whole "death by tanning beds" thing disproved on Series/{{Mythbusters}}, and they wouldn't lie, would they? (And as for the above statement: death by liposuction machine? I don't know what that would look like, but I think I'd rather not know; it gives me the heebie jeebies just thinking about it!)
*** Actually, liposuction deaths (or at least extreme organ damage) are possible, if the doctor is clumsy and sticks the vacuum into an organ instead of fat deposits.
*** I always wanted to see Death just drop the pretense and have a gun float into the room and shoot someone.
** I don't know anything about tanning beds, but I am reminded of sinks that can turn the water so hot it causes damaging burns. WHY?
** Sometimes you need extremely hot water to purify infectious stuff and don't have time to use the stove?
*** The sink is the outlet; the water heater is what heats it up. A water heater can be set between 120 and 180 Fahrenheit. It only takes 5 seconds with 140 Fahrenheit water to get burns.
** You think that's ludicrous? Try the guy who [[spoiler:gets his guts sucked out through his ass by a pool drainage system]] in the fourth movie. Tip for the writers: [[spoiler:POOLS DON'T WORK THAT WAY! And, even if they did, he'd likely die due to ''drowning'' before he could die of anal disembowelment]].
*** Not ludicrous at all, it -has- happend in real life. A handful of people have been [[spoiler:disemboweled by pool drainage systems]] before.
*** Thank you for initially forgetting to spoiler that.
*** Even more ridiculous, the guy in the novels who gets killed by being sliced up with [=CDS=] and [=DVDs=] being fired at high speed from players. As in slicing through his spine, neck, and neatly cutting his hand off. I wish to call bullshit on this.
** Technicalities aside, why would would the girls ''burn''? I'd understood if they died of massive skin/lung burns or pain shock, but they torched like a pile of coal soaked with gasoline! What, is the tanning cream THAT flammable?
*** Be glad they burned; originally, Ashelin got out and opened the tanning bed of the other one who took her hand, fell through the bottom of the bed and elexctrocuted both of them... anyone for fried girl?
*** Hell, at least that would've been physically ''possible''.
*** This troper agrees. Fire appeared to be literally shooting out of the bulbs, much like an incinerator, rather than igniting the girls themselves, which is a complete impossibility for standard tanning bulbs. Chalk it up to RuleOfScary I suppose.
*** Maybe they weren't standard bulbs, but some other kind that wasn't meant to be used in that model of tanning bed. Or even one that (we hope!) had been withdrawn from the market ''because'' it was dangerous, that the tanning facility bought cheap on the sly? Remember that Death in this series takes full advantage of shoddy workmanship and cut-rate maintenance every chance it gets.

* That kid that dies right at the end of the second movie. Two things scream at me about this one. First, if Kimberly's temporary-suicide was supposed to wipe death's list clean, why did that still happen? Doesn't that mean the cop's still a gonner? And second, and more importantly: The kid was almost run over by a vehicle which was only there because of the death of one of the people on the list. If they'd all died in that car crash, that van would have never been anywhere near him. So why does he need to die?
** On the first point, yes, it almost certainly does mean the cop's still a gonner, as well as Kimberly herself. Though it isn't mentioned in the third installment directly, in the special features of the FD 3 DVD there's a newspaper clipping that says both of them got ground up in a woodchipper. On the second point, remember that one of the big points in the second movie is that the survivors of Flight 180 caused a ripple effect in Death's plan. It's the whole reason the victims of the highway pileup were all going to die together in the crash later instead of in separate incidents sooner. It is therefore logical to assume that the kid was going to die at that point anyway, and his involvement with the second set of victims (their being both the cause and avoidance of his death) was caused by that ripple. If Alex hadn't had his original premonition and Flight 180 had exploded with everyone on board as planned, the kid would almost certainly have later died at the same time by some completely unrelated mechanism.
** I took it more that the kid was saved from his own predetermined death by an outside interference (one of the heroes who should've already been dead saving him), so while the surviving heroes got their list erased, the kid's survival had started a whole new list (probably a list of one, unless he spent his offscreen time running around saving a bunch of other people).

* [[spoiler:Jonathan Grove's death]] in the fourth movie; [[spoiler:he survived the speedway accident completely independent of the premonition, by ''surviving being in the accident itself'' instead of simply avoiding it like the other survivors. Yet, Death decrees that, as a survivor, he shall have a pool smush him. Why? He played out Death's Plan as the premonitions stated, and survived, so why does he have to die along with the other survivors?]]
** The protagonist and friends didn't ask him to move after the protagonist had the premonition; if they had, perhaps he would have died and thus he survived as a result of the premonition.
*** That makes no sense, since you're pretty much saying that he survived due to the premonition ''because he was not influenced at all by the premonition''. That does not work; if the protagonist and his friends didn't do anything to the guy to try and get him to avoid his death in the premonition, that means he played out his part in Death's design for the accident as the premonition showed, meaning ''he survived independently of the premonition''. He was caught up in the accident and got crushed by the falling debris, ''just like'' he had been in the premonition, ''and survived''. That's him surviving the accident ''separately'' from the premonition, ''not'' as a result of it. So why must he die?
*** He was supposed to move. However, before the protagonists could ask him to move, Nick had his vision and they hightailed it out of there. He therefore was out of place in Death's design, and he managed to survive by pure luck. Death must have been been distracted while saying "Oh bugger, another one of those prophets." and decapitating a woman with a tire.
*** First of all, why was Jonathan supposed to move, again? And if the vision was what caused Nick to not ask Jonathan to move, in the first place (and the visions [[spoiler: were supposed to be part of Death's Plan, as hinted at the end of the movie)]]), then that means that ''Death himself'' saved the poor guy from dying.
*** People have always been saved as an indirect side-effect of the visionary's actions in this series. Some of the teens kicked off the plane in the first film or the coaster in the third hadn't done jack-squat to indicate they ''believed'' said visionary's warnings: they just got booted out because they groused about all the fuss, or were ''with'' somebody who did get kicked off. Heck, one could just as well argue that Death saved the ''French teacher'''s life.
*** Alright, let's just look at it this way. After the vision begins, Jonathan notices his hat blocks our protagonists and moves down closer. Therefore, when the shit hits the fan, he is slightly higher up and farther away than he was in the original vision. So the flaming car that hit him in the vision didn't, because he was already farther up, and being crushed under rubble, but still alive. Death, having already plotted out his latest design, and having his OCD thing with order, doesn't bother to toss in another rock or two while he's nudging a tire to fall on Nadia. He is rescued and sent to the hospital, where he is recovering until the room above collapses upon him.
*** If you watch the vision scene carefully, you can see Jonathan (the guy in the cowboy hat) farther down in the tiers of seating, where he tries to scramble out of the way of an oncoming car, and fails. He dies when the car impacts a pylon and crushes him against it. He was only down there in the first place because the main characters asked him to move.

* Can somebody explain to me why the main page rarely ever mentions examples from the books? There are SIX of them, plus a few graphic novels (as opposed to four movies). I don't need to read about the same example from a part of a movie constantly being brought up five different times, many of the tropes mean the same thing, and some actually redirect to other examples on that page (such as deaths involving the head). Also, as some are novels, you obviously can't get away with a lack of plot development; many of the books are several hundred pages, so you'd think it would get mentioned MORE then the movies. Even if you don't care about plot, there still are a lot of deaths.
** The books (along with the ''[[Franchise/FridayThe13th Friday the 13th]]'' and ''[[Franchise/ANightmareOnElmStreet Nightmare on Elm Street]]'' ones by the same company) are pretty obscure from what I can tell (the last one, ''Death of the Senses'', is even mentioned in the literature section of the KeepCirculatingTheTapes page). The ''Spring Break'' comic is widely available, but the ''Sacrifice'' one was apparently only available as a bonus in select copies of the third film.
** Obviously because more tropers have watched the movies than read the books, and it is they who add examples.

* The concept itself is ridiculous to this troper. Does it matter how you escaped death? If it happened, then you weren't going to die in the first place, negating the whole point of the movie. Cause is cause, doesn't matter if you decided to turn left at one point or did something because of a dream.

* Was the impending mall disaster at the climax of ''The Final Destination'' still fallout from the racetrack disaster at the beginning of the movie, or was it a new disaster that was just averted by one of the racetrack survivors? [[FridgeHorror (And if it's the latter, how long will the hundreds of people whose lives were saved really expect to live afterwards?)]]
** Maybe since the disaster itself never actually happened, as opposed to the raceway crash, the effects are negated. Nick prevents the explosion itself, when before he simply got his friends and a few others out of the raceway. Instead of removing a few pieces of the puzzle, Nick pretty much tossed the entire thing off the table.
** The movie basically answers this at the end with the reveal that [[spoiler: the premonitions were part of Death's design along. Thus the people in the cinema were meant to live because they were meant to be saved by Nick. The next movie appears to ditch this theory however.]]

* How exactly did the rollar coaster manage to derail in the third movie? The premonition showed how the one guy's camera ended up on the tracks which caused everything to start derailing, but he was one of the people who got off the ride. Therefore, he wouldn't have dropped the camera and then no one would have died. Initially.
** The hydraulics were already messed up. (When the attendant was snapping harnesses down, the pipes underneath the cars began to leak). While the camera wasn't present, Death may have instead found some convenient doohickey owned by another kid on the roller coaster and made it fall while they were on the loop. Or perhaps the emptiness of the back cars upset the balance of the already unstable coster and caused it. There's a slew of reasons.
** This troper assumed that the coaster's post-vision crash was yet another case of Death mucking around, taking out a whole bunch of people from the top of the To-Die list in one go. We just didn't get to see the exact mechanics of it, because we were following the main characters instead of watching the rails' malfunction.
*** We can actually see, in the movie that, because of the hydraulics, some of the track comes lose; the tires hit this bit of lose track, and since they stopped quick, the cart tipped, thus killing the people on board.

* In FD 5 in the premonition that guy with the glasses exits the restroom in the rear end of the bus just before the bus plunges down from the bridge. While the bus is falling, the guy also falls ''down'' to the bus' windshield. Wait, shouldn't he have been pressed upwards, since the bus was free falling?
** No, he shouldn't have been pressed at all, since he and the bus were falling at the same speed. He should've experienced weightlessness, then, as soon as the bus touched the water, he should've hit the windshield.
** Possibly the original sequence would've been for him to fall onto the windshield when the bus was teetering on the brink, only the editing screwed up.

* In the first film, why does Death make the strangling death look like a suicide? It literally retracts the water it used to make him slip. WTF?
** The directors initially were going to have all of the deaths look like accidents or suicides but decided against it after filming Tod's death.
** It also might've been an Homage to Rod's death in the original ''A Nightmare on Elm Street''.
** Death might've done so in an attempt to obscure its doings ''from Alex'', who'd already messed up its plans once already. After Alex and Clear caught wise to how Death was actively intervening to ensure people died, there was no point to concealing the improbable nature of the "accidental" deaths.

* Is that one semi in the car crash from the start of the second film some sort of vehicular personification of Death, or something? Because I can't think of any other reason it would crash into the one guy's car and then ''turn around and crash into another two on the way back''.
** The Wiki calls it "The Truck from Hell" and calls it a servant of death, so that's confirmed.
** Alternately, the flames and smoke disoriented a semi driver on the adjacent stretch of highway lanes going in the ''other direction'', and that truck jumped the median and crashed into Kimberly's upturned vehicle.

* Maybe it's death itself who's trying to prevent their deaths. This troper had this thought after seeing in two days the five films and read all the entries on this film here on tvtropes. What I mean is why would death be so anxious to claim some lives if it is always very busy, death isn't in such a hurry to claim pleople because we're going to die in one moment or another it doesn't matter if it's today, tomorrow or in seventy years or more, what if it's another kind of Eldritch Abomination who's messing with death's plan, why if it's another kind of entinty who's playing with the lives of the protagonists for unknown reasons whatsoever, because the deaths of the protagonists are utterly gruesome and unnatural. Of course there are nasty accidents and the such but even in those kind of accidents there are survivors in one way or another and maybe, just maybe death is the one trying to give them another opportunity. Why because they didn't have to die in that very moment. And that's something few people have considered after seeing these movies. Maybe it's death itself somehow fighting an Eldritch Abomination that is pulling the strings and death is trying to set up things right. Well this is this troper's humble opinion.

* In the first movie, the twist was that Alex [[spoiler: got the order wrong and Clear was supposed to die before him, because he was supposed to change seats and didn't]]. This makes no sense to me, because the fact that he didn't change seats [[spoiler: shouldn't affect the order at all; if he would have died before Clear if he'd changed seats, that means he would have been before her on the list.]]
** He was thinking the whole time of his original seat on the plane (his ticket would say his planned seat number). It's not until he sees the article about Blake and Christa that he realises they asked him to switch seats. In the vision they ask him to switch, and he goes to another seat that's much further away. In the original plan, he was supposed to move and get killed that way. When he was remembering who sat where, he accounted for his assigned seat on the plane, forgetting that he moved. The order went Tod, Terri, Ms Lewton, Carter, Billy, Clear and then Alex.

* I have to question Death's omnipotence just a bit, since in the fourth movie, [[spoiler: Jonathan Groves]] doesn't die until he's been identified, implying that Death wasn't able to find him until then. So what, Death can't do something as simple as finding someone already on its list unless that person's name is publicly known? (and if that's the case, then cheating Death should be simple: everyone just changes their goddamn name...)
** I assume that the reason why he lived so long was that Death assumed he had died in the crash as planned, and simply didn't bother remembering about him. When Nick learns that [[spoiler: Johnathan]] survived, Death learns it too, and takes care of him as soon as possible. This still doesn't explain how Death DIDN'T KNOW about his survival, despite being omnipotent, but it's a start.
*** Evidently death is only nearly omniscient, like somebody playing ''{{VideoGame/TheSims}}'' or using Google Earth.
** What evidence is there that Death ''didn't'' know about his survival? Death has waited entire months before just to kill survivors the way it wants to. It wanted to crush Jonathan with an overflowing bathtub so it waited until the time was right to do that. Giving the survivors false hope was an added bonus.

* Am I the only one who thinks this saga lost a lot of sense after second movie? I mean, what's the point on having good ones who predicted a tragedy and saved themselves at the end when they're still in the death's list and they'll finally die in the next movie (like Clear) or in the same one?
** Yep. It's why the third film is considered a major step down in quality.

* In Final Destination 3, they make it clear that [[spoiler: Ian]] was supposed to die before [[spoiler: Wendy]] - if Kevin hadn't saved him, he would have died earlier and [[spoiler: been unable to cause Wendy's death]]. Makes a person wonder if the fan theory that the visions and survivors dying off are all part of Death's original design all along is true or if the writers just didn't think that one through.

* In the alternate ending to the first Final Destination, they had Clear temporarily cheating death when she was pregnant with Alex's baby, then death coming back for her (implied) after she gave birth, thus implying that it doesn't kill the innocent and uninvolved. Okay. A few questions: Why, then, did it let the plane, with children on it, explode? And, if Clear wasn't meant to live, then that baby wasn't meant to be born, so why was it chill with that?
** It's to do with the whole "New life defeats death" thing, they explore in ''Final Destination 2''; it is theorised that if a woman who cheated death manages t have a baby it "resets" the list, or something because that baby was never part of the original design. It has nothing to do with how "innocent" the survivors are.

* Okay, so in FD5, during the LASIK scene, the irresponsiblity of the doctor and the...MASSIVE misrepresentation of the surgery aside...who’s the wise guy who put a water cooler right next to a plug?
** I've seen it happen. We mentioned it as a health and safety risk and got laughter in response.
** It's electric so has to be plugged in somewhere.

* In the first film, the FBI finds Alex at the cabin and chase him. They are yelling that they want to help him. At first one might assume they are just saying that to trick him, but it really comes across as the next parts play out that they have had a HeelFaceTurn and really DO want to help him. So what's with that? Orphaned reference from where they changed the ending?

* FridgeLogic: Since when has death stopped being able to kill people [[Manga/DeathNote using heart attacks]]?

*** She could've even used the teddybear as a makeshift eye shield, but she didn't. WhatAnIdiot, indeed.

** I've theorized that death is a drama queen and uses the premonitions as an excuse to get full control over the universe, to knock them off in ways he sees fit. I've heard one quote from a final destination character that suggests that death likes having an audience for his rube goldbergs.

*** In this troper's humble opinion, number three was the best because the [[NoPlotNoProblem lack of coherent story]] meant it could just take the concept to its logical extreme and not bog itself down in inane metaphysical discussion (FD2, I'm looking at you) and Devon Sawa.

** Death isn't omnipotent or omnipresent, it can only go to where there is a living being to fulfill its function Likewise, the question [[InvincibleVillain can Death itself die]]? Of course it can. ''When every living being in the cosmos is dead'' (long before the heat death of the universe happens), for Death no longer has any function or power over anyone, it cannot kill what is already dead, thus Death ceases to exist.

** Crackpots in real life frequently claim to have avoided terrible disasters via psychic visions, divine intervention, being warned off by Aliens From Planet X, or whatever. Nobody makes a big deal about it in the press, because it's either someone misinterpreting sheer dumb luck as a miracle (e.g. they missed Flight 180 because their taxi got stuck in traffic), somebody who's got a screw loose (e.g. they show up at racetracks and screech out about "Everybody's going to crash and burn!" on a weekly basis), or somebody who's retroactively making shit up for the publicity (e.g. "Well, ''I'' had a vision about that bridge collapsing ''two days'' before that guy did!").

** Crackpots in real life frequently claim to have avoided terrible disasters via psychic visions, divine intervention, being warned off by Aliens From Planet X, or whatever. Nobody makes a big deal about it in the press, because it's either someone misinterpreting sheer dumb luck as a miracle (e.g. they missed Flight 180 because their taxi got stuck in traffic), somebody who's got a screw loose (e.g. they show up at airports and freak out about "That plane's going to crash!" on a weekly basis), or somebody who's retroactively making shit up for the publicity (e.g. "Well, ''I'' had a vision about that bridge collapsing ''two days'' before that guy did!").