History Headscratchers / DigimonAdventureTri

*** Put simply: Crests channel [[Anime/DigimonDataSquad digisoul.]] Digisoul is generated by the tamer. A sufficiently strong digisoul can work without a crest[[note]]Although, if ShineGreymon Ruin Mode is any indication, it can easily [[GoneHorriblyRight go horribly right.]][[/note]].

** TK and Kari still have their D3s, but Meiko receives an original model Digivice instead of a D3 model like the Spore children in Digimon Aventure 02's finale. Patamon and Gatomon also seem to lack their ability to Armor Digivolve.

** TK and Kari no longer change clothes when entering the Digital World.

* Okay the opening scene shows the A2 squad getting taken out by Alphamon. That's all well and good but they are never mentioned or searched for. Kari and TK were part of both groups so even if they were busy in America or something they should have been mentioned. It's worse once things start to escalate and you remember that Ken and Davis command Imperialdramon, the third and final Mega making them more valuable than most of the original Digidestined.

** It's been established in ''Confession'' that the original digidestined, even Kari and TK, are not aware of their disappearances. Plus, they haven't disappeared for a year. If they did disappeared for a year, the original digidestinied would've noticed by now.
** Not even Kari and TK were able to open the path to the digital world either.

** Okay, Digimon Power Levels 101. Egg, Larva (f.e. Botamon) In Training (Koromon) Rookie (Agumon) Champion (Greymon) Ultimate (Metalgreymon) Mega (Wargreymon). All good? Every stage is stronger than the last. I don't remember when it was introduced, but there is a 'Super Ultimate' level which is above Mega and can only be achieved through special circumstances. Fusing 2 Megas (Ommimon) absorbing data from an artifact (Gallantmon Crimson Mode) a special digivolve (the Burst Mode) or adding enough members through Digi-Xross (Shoutmon X7) In our case, the Royal Knights are a special collective of 'knightly' Digimon that were designed as much more powerful than regular Megas (Alphamon) or retconned into being in such group (Ommimon) There are similar collectives like the Seven Demon Lords, the Olympus 12 and the Holy Beasts. Lastly, TK's Seraphimon has nothing to do with ''Frontier's'' Seraphimon, who evolved naturally throughout '''centuries'''... and everyone else reached Mega state mere ''days'' ago in-universe. In Digimon, life experience > natural power. Conclusion: the kids where outmatched in both raw power (Super Ultimate > Mega) and battle experience.

** Xross forms are a mess. I am not saying it as an insult. Any Digimon can be Xrossed with any other... with different results: it gives the dominant half a weapon (a la Magichange) or works as a FusionDance. ''These'' are the ones that no one agrees upon. Shoutmon is 99% guaranteed to be a Rookie... but Ballistamon / Dorulumon seem like low-tier Champions. Since the Dark Generals seem to be Mega level strong we can agree that X4 is Mega too since its the first form that can put up a fight. X2 & 3 are high tier Champion and Ultimate respectivelly. [=OmmiShoutmon=] is Ultimate since he invokes 'Super Evolution' (Chou Shinka) Shoutmon DX seems a Mega, while X7 is another godly Super Ultimate.

** Pretty sure it was mentioned somewhere that their crests were restored following 02, which is why they had Omegamon and Angewomon in Revenge of Diaboromon and Omegamon in Xros. Tamers movies are of questionable canon, and Frontier's is flat out impossible due to an impossible Digimon line up at the time (They only have two Beast spirits, but Izumi wasn't depowered) but the Adventure movies were clearly canon, and were referenced in show and such. Revenge of Diaboromon wasn't because it was post 02 but if the other adventure movies are (And it's directly connected to Our War Game) then it should be too. But if you refuse to accept the movie as canon, and alternate possibility is the Digimon are just stronger now and can reach the levels without the crests or power boosts (similar to how Gatomon can stay in champion form all the time because she obtained it naturally) However considering Rosemon and Vikemon come about after Mimi and Joe have development it seems pretty clear they have the crests.

*** Put simply: Crests channel [[Anime/DigimonSavers digisoul.]] Digisoul is generated by the tamer. A sufficiently strong digisoul can work without a crest[[note]]Although, if ShineGreymon Ruin Mode is any indication, it can easily [[GoneHorriblyRight go horribly right.]][[/note]].

** The 02 epilogue suggests he's still around. It's possible that he wasn't affected since he wasn't native to Digital World. Similarly, Kari's whistle was still there, while the 02 kids apparently were affected either.

** And what the heck happened to them [[spoiler:following the Reboot]]? They're not even mentioned then!

** Davis, Yolei, Cody, Ken, the International children and the Spore children of 02's finale are not considered, discussed or referenced by the Adventure children, despite the fact Digimon activity is occuring in the Human world. They are completely ignored until a person resembling Ken as the Digimon Emperor appears [[spoiler: although this turns out to be Gennai in disguise, and Ken's mysterious absence and the pecularity of his reappearance is not discussed.]]
*** [[spoiler: Except it turns out it is not Gennai at all, or Ken, but someone else.]]

* Why are the children so hesitant to evolve their partners to their Perfect forms? It feels like every fight, everybody but Agumon and Tailmon goes either Adult or Ultimate, even when fights would get so much simpler if they'd just go Perfect; even in situations where they're worried about collateral damage, you'd think [=WereGarurumon=] and Lilimon would be ''less'' problematic for that than Garurumon and Togemon. You could argue that evolving their partners too far would've caused problems had they contracted the infection from [[spoiler: Meicrackmon]], but it took until the end of the 3rd movie for them to know that that was true and it didn't stop them any of the few times they did go higher than Adult. It can't be a difficulty curve either because, again, there's no indication that hitting Perfect is a problem in the slightest for Taichi or Hikari. So what gives?

* Okay, so apparently Maki did what she did to [[spoiler: revive her Digimon partner, Tapirmon, but for some reason she doesn't realize that the reboot will wipe out any previous memory Tapirmon has of her? She of all people should know better than others! She've been researching about reboots her entire life! Besides, everyone with even a basic computer knowledge should know that 'Reboot = starting over', so how the hell did Maki, a ''government agent'', doesn't know this? Sure, maybe Gennai was manipulating her by claiming that he and Yggdrasil have the power to give Tapirmon back its memories once it is revived, but what makes Maki put her trust in Gennai so much in the first place?]]
** [[spoiler:Maki is just that desperate. She is looking for any chance that Tapirmon can come back, no matter how small. She also might not have realized exactly how far back the reboot would go (remember Tapirmon lived thousands of years before the current Digimon did) or she thought their bond would make it somehow retain its memories despite the Reboot. The same desperation applies for why she believed Gennai, especially when we consider that it is true that the Reboot was not completely successful. Meicoomon retained its memories and Mega-level Digimon like Alphamon, Machinedramon and [=MetalSeadramon=] are still around, suggesting Yggdrasil had some degree of control over it.]]
** [[spoiler:Also, to be fair, all of the partner Digimon were born already knowing who their partners were the first time around. Why this changed with the reboot is up in the air (my best guess is that the eggs were originally normal eggs that had information about humans uploaded once they were selected to be partner Digimon, so the reboot restored the eggs to before that point), but either way Maki probably assumed that even if Tapirmon forgot their adventures, they would still at least, as she put it, be "waiting for [her]."]]

* Given him becoming some kind of Digital World-based GeniusLoci at the end of ''Adventure 02'', how did [[spoiler:the reboot]] affect him?

* [[spoiler: Why doesn't anyone just let Kari know she's been possessed? ''Confession'' is not the first time, and it's an important aspect of her life, especially if she's the only member of the team who can be possessed in that way. Is the rest of the team afraid that she'll GoMadFromTheRevelation or something? Kari's a big girl now, and her right to know that she's been possessed is part of her right to her own body.]]
** [[spoiler: Only the Digimon and Himekawa knew about the ''Confession'' example: the digimon kept it to themselves because explaining her possession would require explaining the reboot, and they were trying to keep their partners in the dark about the reboot, and then when the reboot came out into the open, they didn't really have a chance to sit down and explain properly (though Tentomon might've told Koushiro offscreen on their way to the Meicrackmon fight). Himekawa lied for obvious reasons. As for her possession during the series, again, that sort of happened in the middle of a big violent fight, so I would assume they told her offscreen.]]

* Part 5 of Tri reveals that [[spoiler:Meicoomon is Apocalymon reborn.]] How is this even possible, knowing he was sealed away by the children's Digivices when he tried his self-destruct technique, and the Digital World was then reconstructed, which is why the kids had to go home?! If Meicoomon had been introduced ''after'' [[spoiler:the reboot in Part III]], it would make sense to an extent, but the character was introduced in the first installment. This means a lot of what transpired across the first two seasons was for naught.
** To say that the kids [[spoiler:"sealed" Apocalymon]] is not entirely correct. They created a physical barrier to contain his explosion, so that it only killed him and not both worlds, but the shattered remnants of Apocalymon's data would still be there, just like how any other Digimon's data survives the individual's death. So, then, when the barrier dropped, Apocalymon's data was still present. Remember how Apocalymon was made of a bunch of smaller Digimon who failed to evolve? Do you also remember how all those Digi-Eggs rained down from the sky when the Digital World was reconstructed, containing all of the Digimon who were killed over the course of the Dark Master's reign? My guess is that the data of all the failed Digimon who comprised Apocalymon would have gone towards the rebirth of those individuals, who were revived along with all the other Digimon who came back, but that would have left behind the data that comprised Apocalymon's consciousness and memories, which by then had become distinct from his component parts. That corrupted data was not capable of reformatting itself the ordinary way, since it wasn't exactly a Digimon in and of itself, so [[spoiler:instead it lodged itself within a "proper" Digimon's Digi-Egg, which is where Meicoomon came from. Once the egg hatched and evolved far enough to express the Apocalymon mutation, Homeostasis found a partner for it and banished it to the human world.]]
* On a similar note to previous commenter's complaints, why exactly is [[spoiler:Meicoomon having Apocalymon's data]] such an apocalyptic (yes, I know, pun, whatever) thing when this is literally just Cyberdramon 2 : Electric Boogaloo? And before anyone goes [[spoiler:'well you see it's different because Apocalymon wants to kill everything' ... Wasn't Apocalymon's entire first half of dialogue in the original Adventure yelling at a bunch of ten year olds about how sad he was about not being able to live in the digital world and have fun or whatever? About how all of the digimon composing him wanted to use 'this body' to be useful to the digital world? By all means Apocalymon should be ecstatic??]] [[spoiler:And if anyone tries to point to any extraneous lore about 'oh well the digimon lore says he wants...' digimon lore /also/ says that Evilmon is responsible for most species in the Dark Area so yeah, I don't buy that cheap argument one second.]] Also, honestly speaking I'd rather go off of Adventure's actual lore here. Like at most I could see this resulting in a Yubel from Yu-Gi-Oh GX thing, considering a possible interpretation of [[spoiler:Apocalymon having a really twisted/messed up version of 'friendship' and various other crest virtues from some lines.]]
[[spoiler: I think the bigger concern isn't so much Apocalymon itself as much as its data. If some unscrupulous entity had that, they have the data of something that came very, VERY close to devastating two worlds. And if you have that much raw power, infected with the trinary virus... Recipe for disaster. We already have seen that the trinary virus can cause even long-time partner Digimon to go rampant, so if a Digimon with data from a multi-world threat is infected, and rampancy sets in...boom.]]

* So, admittedly, I haven't finished Tri., so maybe they'll explain it later, but it still kind of bugs me. When and how did Patamon become able to digivolve to his mega form? The others I can understand, because they all had a moment related to their crest that allowed their partners to digivolve, but unless I'm missing something, T.K. didn't have that. Patamon just digivolves to Seraphimon without any explanation. Now, he did do this in the third movie, again with no explanation but I thought that was considered non canon by all accounts? Is it that the movie is canon to the Tri movies?

*** Where does it say who chose the DigiDestined? How do you know whether it was Yggdrasil or Homeostasis?

* Ok, so Evil!Gennai makes it so that only either Tai or Daigo can enter the last pod. Except that unless I failed kindergarten maths, the 02 gang (Daisuke, Iori, Miyako and Ken) occupied 4 out of the 6 pods, meaning that there should be 2 pods working. However, according to the interface, five are somehow in use. Who could possibly be using the 5th pod? It was never revealed even until the end and the whole situation seems to be shoehorned in. Sure, Daigo is already bleeding out from saving Taichi and may not have survived the trip but still...

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* While I understand why Sora's GirlinessUpgrade bugs people (though I don't quite get the irritation personally for several reasons that aren't important here), I've been left scratching my head about why Kari developing a SweetTooth is bothersome. She's probably either on the verge of or in the middle of puberty and most females can tell you their hormones can make them crave sweets like crazy. Can I get some background on why this is ValuesDissonance?
** Sweets are seen as a feminine thing in Japan, and "eating sweets" as a main interest is a stereotypical feminine trait. When people see a girl being interested in sweets, they may believe she gives off the feeling of being kind, cute, and gentle. In fact, it's sometimes considered "unladylike" or "unattractive" if a girl in Japan says her favorite food is meat or something related to that. Likewise, if a man says he likes sweets instead of something like coffee, then he's seen as wimpy. There are also these slang terms in Japan where certain types of food determine your personality — for example, "nikushokukei" (meat-eating/carnivorous type) is a slang term used to describe people who are active pursuers in romantic relationships; "soushokukei" (grass-eating/herbivore type) is a slang term used to describe people who are very passive in relationships and is often used in a derogatory manner against men, where they are seen as too wimpy and feminine. You are what you eat, right?
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** Call it [[ScullySyndrome "people see/remember what they want to see/remember" syndrome.]] Like how no one sees [[Comic/CalvinAndHobbes Hobbes]] despite the fact that he clearly exists with measurable effects.

* First off this troper refuses to call him King Drasil, because they think that it's original name is far superior in quality. More to the point why is he acting so ungratefully towards the kids he basically solicited for aid, in saving his world and it's inhabitants!? When he did it in Savers/Data Squad it was a matter of survival but here there's no clear cut reason, for all we know he could have chosen this course because "fuck you I'm a God and I'll do what I want!"