History Headscratchers / DevilMayCry

* I think it's safe to say Trish's line about losing a mother and son to demons twenty years ago has been heavily recommend. Dante obviously didn't lose a mother and brother to demons twenty years ago as we later see his brother walking around, safe in the human world after his mother died. If you still want to keep the line you could think of DMC1 happening 20 years after DMC3 with the event Trish referri g to being losing Vergil (though I think that might make Nero too young to be Vergil's son). Or just ignore it completely as it's clearly been altered significantly.

* I've looked into it and this is my [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=876wkxiHeQA conclusion]]
* With the {{Retcon}} to the timeline, putting 2 before 4, the previously stated ages probably don't matter anymore.

* Even if Trish's demon form were to age her human form is just a shape she takes so it won't show any signs of aging unless she wants it to, just like she can generate any outfit she wants.

** Well, Capcom sanctioned the manga, and it's holding its status as (unfinished) canon. I wish it wasn't.

* I've been wondering about this myself. It's implied that Sparda's been dead for a long time, and that he was practically ageless. Taken these into account, Dante and Vergil could be much older than they look.

* I've looked into it and this is my conclusion: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=876wkxiHeQA

*** Veril would be some where around 31 in ''[=DMC4=]'' and Nero's around 19. That means that Vergil would have to slept around when he was 9.

*** Devil May Cry 2, Weapon File — Handguns: '''"Dante’s hand-made twin pistols. They fire bullets with magic power."''' He never needs to reload at any point, anywhere. Buying ammunition is not necessary.

[[WMG:Why leave the castle in ''DMC 1''?]]

I just recently replayed ''DMC 1'', and realized that when Dante left the castle, the main objective after that was find the Wheel of Destiny...in order to get back to it. Let me rephrase that: ''Dante left the castle in order to get back to it.'' [[FlatWhat What.]] Did we seriously just spend about 8 missions looking for an item we wouldn't have needed to find if Dante hadn't left the castle in the first place? It's even stated about three times that the Wheel will guide you back to the beggining.

Sure, I mean, if he hadn't left the castle, Dante wouldn't have found the Ifrit gauntlets or the Staff of Hermes, but there's no way he could ''know'' that. Isn't this a rather arbitrary linear path set for the players by the devs? There's not even a justification. I know this may sound like a complaint, but I'm confused as hell by Dante's reasoning.
* Well think about the reason ''you'' left the castle in the first place--simply because you had explored all you could and there was no other way to go. Dante was taking the only road that was open to him.
* The Staff of Hermes is ''required'' to open the painting portals, which are used to obtain more items necessary for entering the Underworld, to confront Mundus. You guided Dante all around the castle in search of the staff, and both of you concluded that it was not in the castle.

[[WMG:Why Hell Vanguard appears in the BossRush?]]

He is only a MiniBoss.
* It appears along with a group of enemies, and I'm pretty certain you have to fight two of them. It's more of a breather boss.
* He also has a health bar in his first appearance, so you could argue he's a WarmupBoss who then becomes a DegradedBoss.

** Other than ''[=DMC1=]'' being the first game, you can chalk it up to Phantom being an idiot, despite being powerful. Griffin figured out who Dante was and related to pretty easily. In ''[=DMC4=]'', Berial knew who he was instantly while Echidna and Dagon didn't. It seems powerful egotistical demons like Dagon and Echidna tend to not know nor care who they're facing. As far as they knew, Dante was just some smart mouth normal human. Beowulf and Nevan only knew who Dante was due to the former had recognized Sparda's scent (though him not knowing about Vergil did him in), and the latter had previous encounter or possible fling with Sparda. If Nevan even knew about Vergil is ambiguous and never brought up, but odds are probably not. Vergil kept a lower profile compared to Dante ,so not as many demons knew about him. And it's makes sense most demons don't know about Vergil, because he is assumed, and later dies in the timeline. So most demons would not know about him, unless your name is Mundus. Dante's reputation certainly grows in the Animated series. It's takes place after ''3'' and ''1'', so defeating Mundus makes him a bigger name in the underworld, and most demons seem to know who he is throughout the episodes.

She's a pure demon unlike the descendants of Sparda who ''do'' age, and demons in the series in general are accepted to be long-lived, and she hasn't really changed in appearance at all outside of graphical or design shifts. She's more or less exactly the same in ''5'' as she was in the first game even though Dante is already a middle-aged man by then, so it seems like she's immortal?

In [=DMC 1=] and 3 it's indicated that Force Edge was Sparda's ''Real'' sword, and Yamato was just one that he used while tooling around the human world. [=DMC 3=] then goes on to make the Force Edge the ''key'' that seals the Demon World off, but then comes [=DMC 4=] and now Yamato is the CosmicKeystone. Huh?

The Devil May Cry 3 manga shows Dante going on a mission to retrieve Alice, with a '''four million dollar''' reward for her rescue. Later on, the money gets wired to Enzo. With four million dollars, why is Dante somehow in debt not even a decade later?

[[WMG:Why leave the castle in DMC 1?]]

I just recently replayed DMC 1, and realized that when Dante left the castle, the main objective after that was find the Wheel of Destiny...in order to get back to it. Let me rephrase that: ''Dante left the castle in order to get back to it.'' [[FlatWhat What.]] Did we seriously just spend about 8 missions looking for an item we wouldn't have needed to find if Dante hadn't left the castle in the first place? It's even stated about three times that the Wheel will guide you back to the beggining.

[[WMG: Every demon and its' mother having memory problems]]

Why is it that in almost every DMC media (including reboot, maybe excluding 2 seeing as there is just a thin as hell plot) no demon on earth or the underworld has heard of Dante, in the reboot and 3 it's understandable due to them being young and apparently quite new at the job, but take for example DMC1 phantom has no clue that Dante is the Son of Sparda, despite most media showing that Sparda is like some amalgam of Dante and Virgil, and by DMC1, Dante has clearly been in business a while, but nope, still no demons seem to know of a red coated, silver hair cocky bastard with a huge sword cutting down demons left and right, upto including THEIR GOD.
** Other than ''[=DMC1=]'' being the first game, you can chalk it up to Phantom being an idiot, despite being powerful. Griffin figured out who Dante was and related to pretty easily. In ''[=DMC4=]'', Berial knew who he was instantly while Echidna and Dagon didn't. It seems powerful egotistical demons like Dagon and Echidna tend to not know nor care who they're facing. As far as they knew, Dante was just some smart mouth normal human. Beowulf and Nevan only knew who Dante was due to the former had recognized Sparda's scent (though him not knowing about Vergil did him in), and the latter had previous encounter or possible fling with Sparda. If Nevan even knew about Vergil is ambiguous and never brought up, but odds are probably not. Vergil kept a lower profile compared to Dante ,so not as many demons knew about him. And it's makes sense most demons don't know about Vergil, because he is assumed, and later dies in the timeline. So most demons would not know about him, unless your name is Mundus. Dante's reputation certainly grows in the Animated series. It's takes place after 3 and 1, so defeating Mundus makes him a bigger name in the underworld, and most demons seem to know who he is throughout the episodes.

** How expensive do you think that bridge was in the anime he wrecked? Or the designer-label clothes Lady and Trish stuck him with? Or the church they destroyed? Or the multi-story hotel? The building repairs for his shop, buying all those [[BringMyRedCoat red coats,]] buying the jukebox, electric bills, heating, plumbing, all those musical instruments he has, the billiard table, feeding both himself and Patty, fixing the tv, traviling expenses when Morison doesn't pay, and losing to Lady, Morrison, Trish, and Patty to gambling (which is probably where most of his debts to Lady originate from).

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* ''Headscratchers/DmCDevilMayCry''

[[WMG: About DMC 3]]
* The Seven Sins appeared in the human world before the tower was raised, and they can do so given that they have a medium to appear as (in their case, sand). They spawn ''everywhere'' without the Temen-ni-Gru-- in fact, they were what bound the tower in the first place. Being unsealed a year before in the manga allowed them to go around wreaking havoc. For an in-game example, they show up in Mission 1 while the tower is raised after Mission 2. If this is the case, why and how does Lady get away with saying that she and Dante "destroyed the remaining devils and that was it" after rendering the tower inert? They should still be spawning since they are never resealed.
** They were likely there purely under Arkham/Vergil's orders. With both of them defeated, the Sins retreat, and Dante and Lady are able to kill any remaining stragglers.
* If sealing the tower required such a complex ritual in the first place, and unsealing it took so much time, what happens to it after the demon world is closed at the end of the game? Does it just... stand there?
* The Seven Sins resurfaced in the present time, in what's assumed to be Modern America. Is there any reason why they suddenly know Japanese when Vergil offers them the chance to rename themselves?
** TranslationConvention at work?
*** But then how will they explain ''actual'' Japanese if this is LikeRealityUnlessNoted?
** This Troper thought that the Sins were living in Japan until the Tower summoned them. Or were serious Japanaphiles.

* How did Vergil manage to avoid ''all'' of the Gatekeepers of the Temen-ni-Gru while Dante had to fight them?
** Is that so hard to guess?
** Cerberus, Agni and Rudra: Vergil was already at the top of the tower when it raised, so he didn't have to go through them.
** Leviathan's Heart: He never got eaten by Leviathan. I don't think Leviathan was a Gate Keeper, though.
** Nevan and Beowulf: Vergil took a more direct approach to the lowest part of the tower (where the seal was), probably thanks to Arkham, so he didn't have to pass by the rooms of those two.
** Gergyon (or however that horse was called) lacks an explanation. Then again, we never saw where that bridge leads to, anyway.
** Doppleganger: Like with Lady, Dante had gone first though there, so the path was open.

* There was an extended Mission 13 scene that featured Lady actually holding her own against Dante and Vergil before the plot twist was revealed. The scene was cut short because "Lady can't last that long against two half-demons". Cue what ''actually'' happens, then fast forward to Mission 16. Lady, after having her leg impaled, after climbing up the side of a really long tower, and ''still'' tired, initiates a boss fight with Dante.
** Most players tend to be able to [[CurbStomp curbstomp]] Lady at that point though, so YMMV.
** Also Lady's boss fight mostly involves her running away and spamming projectiles, whereas in Mission 13 it would have been a relatively close range fight with no cover or higher ground to take advantage of, unlike in the library.

* Mission 3: Why does Lady need to see the Temen-ni-Gru through binoculars? Not only is she situated in the alleyway that's just a few blocks away from it in the first place, that thing is SKY HIGH. It shouldn't take much effort to find a tower that dwarfs every other building in the vicinity.
** This one I can answer. She was using binoculars to look at the ''top'' of the tower, where Arkham was at the moment. Her line next second? "I found him".
** The line was "I found it". It, not him.
** FridgeLogic I would say. Wouldn't you say "it" to your father after he killed your mother, possibly beat you up, and is doing everything in his power to be a demon (or at least, half-demon), and take over both the demon world and human world?
** Lady repeatedly refers to Arkham as a 'he' (see the line below about "undo[ing] what '''he''''s done", and the following lines "He was obssessed with becoming a devil, so much he killed his own wife. For that he butchered innocent people too. He's the most vile kind of creature!" and "I'm driven by the inability to forgive him! My soul is screaming, ''demanding'' me to kill him!") If she was trying to distance herself from Arkham by referring to him as an 'it', she did it horribly as that's only said ''once''.

* Just what ''kind'' of sacrifice was the Priestess involved in? Any time Arkham mentions her, she's referred to as the whole being, not just her blood ( "[...] in whose body flows the same blood as the sacrificed woman [...]" "Even Sparda had to sacrifice a woman so that he could become a legend!" etc. etc.) Assuming that the Priestess didn't just prick her finger and call it a day-- since that wouldn't be much of a sacrifice-- she either bled ''a lot'', or bled to ''death''. Which of the two would it be, and wouldn't the unsealing ritual require that much?

* 13th Avenue (and the area around the tower) is empty. All the humans are either dead or evacuated, so who was calling Dante's phone?
** Well, the call ''did'' come just before Arkham. Maybe the sins were [[FridgeHorror released shortly before his talk with Dante...]]
** The Sins (or at least just the Prides) were released already in the manga. The manga takes place up to a ''year'' before the events of the game. Everyone was either dead or evacuated in the space between, sooner rather than later.
*** So why would Dante set up his new shop in an abandoned city?

* "He's my father. Besides, who else can undo what he's done?" Uh, hello Lady, do you just ''happen'' to believe in NoOntologicalInertia? Killing Arkham doesn't exactly undo the fact that he took the lives of innocent people unless there's a ritual involving trading off his soul for someone else's that's never been heard of.
** She might have been talking about her own inner turmoil and hatred, as in, "what he's done" ''to her,'' anyone else killing Arkham wouldn't give her the closure and revenge she was there for.

* How is Arkham able to appear as Jester in one of the bonus fights when he's already in hell? Is the fight supposed to be non-canon or is that Jester somehow separate from Arkham? At that point, what's the point? Dante already knows who he is.

* Why does Jester need Dante to "Destroy the lock" for him? The door in question just leads back to where Dante already was 5 seconds ago, and Jester leaves via moonwalking on the ceiling. Further, we later discover that Arkham and Jester are one and the same, thus he should already have access to all areas of the tower (or at least the sections he actually cares about.) As a side note, Jester tells Dante that violence is not the answer to opening the door, then tricks Dante into opening the door by hitting the console: with violence. [[FlatWhat What?]]

* This one has been bugging me for years. In between Missions 10 and 11, when Arkham and Vergil unlock the large door to "The Lair of Judgement", Vergil [[LoveIsAWeakness chastises him for failing to kill Lady]] and [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness stabs him before namedropping this trope.]] After that, Dante finds his "corpse" and there is another shootout with Lady. This cutscene is set in another, much smaller, room with a much smaller door with 3 symblols in a circle (the one that will lead to a different room each time the tower spins). How did Arkham get there while being severely wounded? If he crawled all the way, where are the bloodstains? Even if he did go full demon already at that point, there's no way he could shrug off frickin' Yamato so easily, so he could wait for Vergil to enter the Lair of Judgement, start getting busy with the ritual, then just stand up, walk away without being seen by Vergil, then get to another room and play dead so Lady could find him and he could spill his bullshit in her ears. And there is no indication that Arkham posesses the power to create doppelgangers, so there is no implication Arkham Vergil stabbed wasn't "real" Arkham.

[[WMG:About Vergil's ending in the Special Edition...]]
The only thing his ending showed us is him walking out of Fortuna, while he casts the shadow of Nelo Angelo/Nero's Devil Trigger. What is that supposed to imply? Is Capcom just trolling us? Are they confirming that Vergil really is related to Nero? I need more answers!
* The fact Nero quotes Vergil's "need more power" speech when first activating his Devil Trigger and uses Yamato to do it already makes it pretty clear there's some connection between the two. We just don't know what it is yet.
** It's been finally confirmed that [[https://imgur.com/L3nnPpv Vergil]] is [[https://imgur.com/MFYuuqp.jpg Nero's father]] via the ''[[https://www.amazon.co.jp/dp/4862333907/ Devil May Cry]]:'' ''[[https://www.amazon.com/Devil-May-Cry-3142-Graphic/dp/1927925487 3142 Graphics Art]]'' artbook.

[[WMG: Credo's Weakness ]]
He is supposedly the best swordsman in the Order; who taught Nero everything he knows. So why is it the one fight they have in human form shows him being about as weak as a kitten? Even when he turns into Angelo Credo he still isn't all that hard; when he should be slaughtering Nero and being well matched with Dante. Seriously, he's by far my favorite character in the series; and it just drives me nuts at how pathetic he is. (When playing through the game I always switch to DMD just to fight him and it still isn't good enough)
* Got a point there. Considering what's said about him, you'd expect Credo to be as good with the sword as Lady with guns, yet he never shows that much ability. Sad things, since Credo was a fairly likable character in [[{{Alexlayer}} this trooper]]'s oppinion.
** I'm guessing this weakening was because of two factors: As a human, he has human strength. While Lady gets a bit of a pass because her arm strength doesn't affect how hard her bullets hit, the same's not true for how hard Credo can swing a sword. The other reason is that the Credo fight is hard enough as it stands (beat it on Hell or Hell if you want to do it for the challenge), so making it much harder would have turned Credo into ThatOneBoss, even moreso than he is now.
*** Credo's strength wouldn't have had anything to do with his sword abilities in demon form. Credo's sword had the exact same fuel-injection system as the Red Queen(all Order knights have that kind of sword. Nero's is unique in that it can actually build up the amounts of fuel in it to unleash in a single blast) so that would compensate for his human-level strength.
* Most likely, he didn't put as much effort into powering up his demon form as the others did. Actually, Agnus was in charge of giving people their devil transfromations, so he doubtlessly tricked himself out to the best of his ability, and if I remember correctly, Sanctus was just an old guy in a bubble without Sparda. Also, Agnus had to summon other monsters to put up a decent fight, so Credo seems to be the toughest of Order on pure combat ability. What really annoyed me was that he died like a bitch. Couldn't the one redeemable member of the Order of the Sword survive? Or at least get an impressive death scene?
** You do have a point in that Credo is the only member of the Order who at least tries melee attacks, since Sanctus and Agnus seem content to mostly just throw fireballs/Cutlasses and occasionaly make half hearted swipes with Sparda/a Gladius

[[WMG: Nero's Transformation]]
Yeah, this is more general curiosity than something that bugs me, but something I'd kinda like to know nonetheless:
* How much of Nero's arm is taken up by the Devil Bringer?
** Acording to the art book, it seems like it goes up to his shoulder.
* Is the "demonization" going to spread throughout his body? (the cutscene where he unlocks his Devil Trigger for the first time seems to imply that it will, or at least, that he ''thinks'' it will)
** That's up to interpretation. If his arm turned like that after getting bitten by a demon, Nero has a reason to suspect it ''might'' spread. Hence his line: "And if I become a demon... so be it!"
** Alternately, if the general thought is that his arm got possessed ''after'' the demon attack and the result ends up being the Devil Bringer, then seeing as how the voice inside it clamors for more power, presumably, it may spread to his body if he feeds it more demonic energy. The concept art depicts Nero in a full-form Devil Trigger rather than a specter, so that juuuust might happen in an upcoming game if the idea is kept.

[[WMG: Angels?]]

So in an interview for 4 Special Edition, the creators imply that there aren't any actual angels in the game's world. So then why is there so much angelic symbolism? Are angels really demons?

[[WMG:Are you my dad?]]

If Nero encounters Dante, a white-haired middle-aged human-demon hybrid demon hunter with a CoolSword, demonic powers including regeneration like his own, and a somewhat similar fashion sense, wouldn't one of the first things to come to mind for him be, "Holy cow, is this guy my dad? Or at least a relative or something?" Especially when that second one is actually right?

Dante runs a demon-hunting business but most ordinary humans don't seem to care nor take it seriously. Only a few (e.g. Arkham, Morrison and Lady) do visit the Devil May Cry shop and acknowledge what it is for. Is it really an UnusuallyUninterestingSight for the {{Muggles}}? Or does Dante cast something in the shop so that it doesn't look suspicious to the public? No one bats an eye when some dude has demon swords hanging on his walls, Dante doesn't get arrested because of them. But then ''5'' shows Dante having a BrokeEpisode when the water supply is cut off. The epilogue also had the shop's electricity cut off as Morrison, Trish and Lady leave it.

The only thing his ending showed us is [[spoiler: him walking out of Fortuna, while he casts the shadow of Nelo Angelo/Nero's Devil Trigger.]] What is that supposed to imply? Is Capcom just trolling us? [[spoiler: Are they confirming that Vergil really is related to Nero?]] I need more answers!
* The fact [[spoiler: Nero quotes Vergil's "need more power" speech when first activating his Devil Trigger and uses Yamato to do it]] already makes it pretty clear there's some connection between the two. We just don't know what it is yet.
** It's been finally confirmed that [[spoiler:[[https://imgur.com/L3nnPpv Vergil]] is [[https://imgur.com/MFYuuqp.jpg Nero's father]] via the ''[[https://www.amazon.co.jp/dp/4862333907/ Devil May Cry]]:'' ''[[https://www.amazon.com/Devil-May-Cry-3142-Graphic/dp/1927925487 3142 Graphics Art]]'' artbook]].

* Why does Jester need Dante to "Destroy the lock" for him? The door in question just leads back to where Dante already was 5 seconds ago, and Jester leaves via moonwalking on the ceiling. Further, we later discover that [[spoiler: Arkham and Jester are one and the same,]] thus he should already have access to all areas of the tower (or at least the sections he actually cares about.) As a side note, Jester tells Dante that violence is not the answer to opening the door, then tricks Dante into opening the door by hitting the console: with violence. [[FlatWhat What?]]

Sure, I mean, if he hadn't left the castle, Dante wouldn't have found [[spoiler: the Ifrit gauntlets or the Staff of Hermes]], but there's no way he could ''know'' that. Isn't this a rather arbitrary linear path set for the players by the devs? There's not even a justification. I know this may sound like a complaint, but I'm confused as hell by Dante's reasoning.

* [[spoiler: The Staff of Hermes is ''required'' to open the painting portals, which are used to obtain more items necessary for entering the Underworld, to confront Mundus.]] You guided Dante all around the castle [[spoiler: in search of the staff]], and both of you concluded that it was not in the castle.

** Other than ''[=DMC1=]'' being the first game, you can chalk it up to Phantom being an idiot, despite being powerful. Griffin figured out who Dante was and related to pretty easily. In ''[=DMC4=]'', Berial knew who he was instantly while Echidna and Dagon didn't. It seems powerful egotistical demons like Dagon and Echidna tend to not know nor care who they're facing. As far as they knew, Dante was just some smart mouth normal human. Beowulf and Nevan only knew who Dante was due to the former had recognized Sparda's scent ([[spoiler: though him not knowing about Vergil did him in]]), and the latter had previous encounter or possible fling with Sparda. If Nevan even knew about Vergil is ambiguous and never brought up, but odds are probably not. Vergil kept a lower profile compared to Dante ,so not as many demons knew about him. And it's makes sense most demons don't know about Vergil, because he is assumed, and later dies in the timeline. So most demons would not know about him, unless your name is [[spoiler: Mundus]]. Dante's reputation certainly grows in the Animated series. It's takes place after 3 and 1, so defeating Mundus makes him a bigger name in the underworld, and most demons seem to know who he is throughout the episodes.

If Nero encounters Dante, a white-haired middle-aged human-demon hybrid demon hunter with a CoolSword, demonic powers including regeneration like his own, and a somewhat similar fashion sense, wouldn't one of the first things to come to mind for him be, "Holy cow, is this guy my dad? Or at least a relative or something?" [[spoiler:Especially when that second one is actually right?]]

** Other than ''[=DMC1=]'' being the first game, you can chalk it up to Phantom being an idiot, despite being powerful. Griffin figured out who Dante was and related to pretty easily. In ''[=DMC4=]'', Berial knew who he was instantly while Echidna and Dagon didn't. It seems powerful egotistical demons like Dagon and Echidna tend to not know nor care who they're facing. As far as they knew, Dante was just some smart mouth normal human. Beowulf and Nevan only knew who Dante was due to the former had recognized Sparda's scent ([[spoiler: though him not knowing about Vegil did him in]]), and the latter had previous encounter or possible fling with Sparda. If Nevan even knew about Vergil is ambiguous and never brought up, but odds are probably not. Vergil kept a lower profile compared to Dante ,so not as many demons knew about him. And it's makes sense most demons don't know about Vergil, because he is assumed, and later dies in the timeline. So most demons would not know about him, unless your name is [[spoiler: Mundus]]. Dante's reputation certainly grows in the Animated series. It's takes place after 3 and 1, so defeating Mundus makes him a bigger name in the underworld, and most demons seem to know who he is throughout the episodes.

If Nero encounters Dante, a white-haired middle-aged human-demon hybrid demon hunter with a CoolSword, demonic powers including regeneration like his own, and a somewhat similar fashion sense, wouldn't one of the first things to come to mind for him be, "Holy cow, is this guy my dad? Or at least a relative or something?" [[spoiler:Especially when that second one is actually right?]]