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*** Because the rest of that line is "Now I know she'll never leave me, Even as she runs away." He's coming to terms with the fact that she's leaving him and all he has now to rely on are memories. He says repeatedly throughout the rest of the song that her memory will shape his behavior for the rest of his life, meaning that she won't physically be there to do it herself. "I'll fool myself; she'll walk right in" means that he will occasionally indulge in wishful thinking that she might come back (the "I'll fool myself" bit is rather a clue there), not that she actually will come back.


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** They probably planned to sort out the Gaston-Maurice fiasco after they dealt with the massive beast with the razor-sharp fangs and killer claws for the feast. Gaston is certainly stoking their anger and exaggerating the Beast's danger, but for once the villagers do seem to correctly prioritize the dangerous threat to the whole village (as far as they know) over another squabble between residents.


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** She felt bad about the Beast getting hurt while saving her from the wolves, so she decided to wait and help the servants nurse him back to health out of a sense of duty and fairness, only to grow more fond of him, the staff, and life at the castle in the meantime. By the time he was recovered, she had warmed up to the idea of staying with him.


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** [=LeFou=] was probably the one loading the gun for Gaston's hunts, so of course he knows full well that he shoots from behind. The song makes a point that Gaston is bragging about doing this; he's proud of sneaking up behind an animal and killing it without giving it a chance to run or fight back, and he openly admits that's exactly what he's doing. Without having heard it put quite so bluntly before, it genuinely might not have occurred to [=LeFou=] that what Gaston is doing isn't fair.
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** "Prince" has never exclusively meant "son of a King." In fact, historically, a prince was far more likely to be an independent ruler of a state called a principality (just as a king rules a kingdom and an emperor rules an empire) than the relative of a monarch. Adam is the ruler of his territory; that office just happens to come with the title of Prince, which he had already inherited from his father before the Enchantress shows up. That's as high as he can go. And Belle becomes Princess when they marry.


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* She probably got Maurice to help her unlace it while they were still in the carriage.


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*** Because the title of "prince" has never automatically meant "member of the royal family" in France.


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*** The castle has a front door (and probably also had back doors and side doors), but she barged in through the terrace, and interrupted a party to which she was not invited. It was cruel to turn her away outright, sure, but the prince was well within his rights to be unhappy that she'd intentionally made a scene when she had plenty of less disruptive ways to seek the shelter she needed.


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* "Plot hole" is defined as "a narrative inconsistency," such as someone being in two places at once or suddenly having a third arm. Disagreeing with a character's motivation (a magical character who spends fewer than five minutes on screen, of all things) is not and has never been a plot hole.


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* Paris is very big, and was so even in the eighteenth century. Maurice may have moved her out of the heart of the city, where the plague outbreak was centered, but technically stayed within the limits of "Paris." Belle remembers when they moved to Villeneuve, so she obviously lived somewhere else for awhile, and she never actually says what specifically she remembers about the "Paris of her childhood"--it could be that she's actually remembering their life on the outskirts of the city.
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** You're confusing intelligence with critical thinking. "School" in Ye Olden Day rarely continued much past the sixth grade, and was focused exclusively on making sure young boys could read, write, and do enough basic math to be productive members of society and maintain whatever profession they planned to enter. The community doesn't see a need for girls to be literate because they are not expected to work outside the home, but boys certainly needed to have at least the basics. This "school" was absolutely not teaching them how to analyze poetry or have a political debate, but the kids in Villeneuve need at least ''some'' "intelligence."


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** There's a huge legal difference between never-married and formerly-married single women. Eighteenth-century French widows were allowed to inherit their late husband's property and maintain a business if he had one. But that did not apply to unmarried women with deceased fathers. The enchantress probably enchanted her and the community into thinking her husband had died (definitely not a stretch, especially considering the recent war), meaning that she was legally allowed to keep the house and work to support herself. Agathe, however, would not have been allowed to own property in her own name. Neither would Belle after Maurice's death, for that matter.

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At the beginning of the film, we see boys going to school (as was the norm in that time period). However, the villagers are shown as being anti-intellectual, meaning they don’t like/are suspicious of intelligence. So what is the point of school if the don’t like intelligence?

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* At the beginning of the film, we see boys going to school (as was the norm in that time period). However, the villagers are shown as being anti-intellectual, meaning they don’t like/are suspicious of intelligence. So what is the point of school if the don’t like intelligence?



At the beginning of the film, Gaston tells Belle that women whose fathers have died and don’t marry live on the streets. However, at the end, Clothilde (who, at the beginning, was buying “6 eggs” and helps destroy Belle’s washing machine) was revealed to be Cogsworth’s wife. So without her husband to “take care of her” while under the Enchantress’s curse, shouldn’t SHE be living as a beggar like Agathe? Or did the Enchantress enchant her into thinking she had another husband?

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* At the beginning of the film, Gaston tells Belle that women whose fathers have died and don’t marry live on the streets. However, at the end, Clothilde (who, at the beginning, was buying “6 eggs” and helps destroy Belle’s washing machine) was revealed to be Cogsworth’s wife. So without her husband to “take care of her” while under the Enchantress’s curse, shouldn’t SHE be living as a beggar like Agathe? Or did the Enchantress enchant her into thinking she had another husband?husband?
** She may have been old enough that she's regarded as a more "experienced" widow, or Gaston may simply not think of her when citing his example as she's too old to draw his attention.



I get that Agathe sees that they do love each other, and Beast has succumbed to his injuries and the enchanted objects to the curse, and it would be a shame to leave them all dead when Belle does love Beast. But it was specified that Beast must learn to love and have that love reciprocated before the last petal falls. Love is reciprocated after. So what's the point of the deadline if she basically just says screw it? Why not just restore life but enforce the condition that the requirements had to be met before the last petal falls?
* The central theme of the movie is how one can learn how their initial judgment was wrong (this is explained better and more thoroughly in the Fridge section). Essentially, she learned, just like Belle, the Beast, and many other characters, that her initial beliefs and perceptions had been wrong, and corrected her mistake in a show of humility.
* Her spell, her rules. If she wants to break them a little bit and let the Beast off the hook and allow him to fulfill the spirit of the enchantment (if not precisely the letter) then she can do that. It defeats the purpose of the enchantment and gains nobody anything if she decides to be a stickler over 10 seconds.
** This could also be a case of ExactWords. In the opening narration, it states that the prince will remain a beast "for the rest of his days" should the last petal fall. Well, he was dead, thus had already technically served the deadline's punishment!
* The criteria was that the Beast must love and be loved in return. It never said anyone has to announce that fact. Belle doesn't have to ''say'' she loves him to break the curse, she just has to love him.
* It's possible she also abused a few loopholes in the curse itself. She never explicitly said that he had to have someone say they loved him, only that he had to learn to love and to have that love reciprocated. Belle may not have said it aloud before the end of the film, but she may have been in love with him (silently) from before the petal fell. Thus, the timer was stopped. Alternatively, she never specified the curse would be forever, only that Adam couldn't lift it after the last petal fell. Thus, seeing how much he'd changed and that Belle truly loved him, SHE could undo the curse. That could, in fact, be why she had stayed in town. So that, even if he didn't meet the original terms, she could undo the curse if she could see that he'd grown out of the man she cursed.

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* I get that Agathe sees that they do love each other, and Beast has succumbed to his injuries and the enchanted objects to the curse, and it would be a shame to leave them all dead when Belle does love Beast. But it was specified that Beast must learn to love and have that love reciprocated before the last petal falls. Love is reciprocated after. So what's the point of the deadline if she basically just says screw it? Why not just restore life but enforce the condition that the requirements had to be met before the last petal falls?
* ** The central theme of the movie is how one can learn how their initial judgment was wrong (this is explained better and more thoroughly in the Fridge section). Essentially, she learned, just like Belle, the Beast, and many other characters, that her initial beliefs and perceptions had been wrong, and corrected her mistake in a show of humility.
* ** Her spell, her rules. If she wants to break them a little bit and let the Beast off the hook and allow him to fulfill the spirit of the enchantment (if not precisely the letter) then she can do that. It defeats the purpose of the enchantment and gains nobody anything if she decides to be a stickler over 10 seconds.
** *** This could also be a case of ExactWords. In the opening narration, it states that the prince will remain a beast "for the rest of his days" should the last petal fall. Well, he was dead, thus had already technically served the deadline's punishment!
* ** The criteria was that the Beast must love and be loved in return. It never said anyone has to announce that fact. Belle doesn't have to ''say'' she loves him to break the curse, she just has to love him.
* ** It's possible she also abused a few loopholes in the curse itself. She never explicitly said that he had to have someone say they loved him, only that he had to learn to love and to have that love reciprocated. Belle may not have said it aloud before the end of the film, but she may have been in love with him (silently) from before the petal fell. Thus, the timer was stopped. Alternatively, she never specified the curse would be forever, only that Adam couldn't lift it after the last petal fell. Thus, seeing how much he'd changed and that Belle truly loved him, SHE could undo the curse. That could, in fact, be why she had stayed in town. So town; so that, even if he didn't meet the original terms, she could undo the curse if she could see that he'd grown out of the man she cursed.



It's still laced up in the back, I can understand she ripped it but how?
* Probably the side seams. She can't reach the stays in back, but the sides are within easy reach.

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* It's still laced up in the back, I can understand she ripped it but how?
* ** Probably the side seams. She can't reach the stays in back, but the sides are within easy reach.
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* In the prologue, the Enchantress calls Adam “a handsome young prince”, yet his father is nowhere to be seen except in the portraits. Did the Enchantress kill him to remove his influence on his son? If that’s the case, would Adam become a King when he turned back into a human and Belle his Queen?

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* After Gaston shows Belle what happens to unmarried women after the fathers die, Belle says she wants to be a farm girl. But at the end of the film, she marries the Beast-turned Prince. Would she have to give up her dream of being a farm-girl? If so, that goes against her character. Or would she start up a farm just outside the castle? This troper just came out of watching the latest Cinderella film starring Camila Cabello, where Cinderella gives up being a Princess to run a dress shop.
** What she meant was that she'd ''much rather'' be a farm girl (subsequently leading a rather harder life) than married to Gaston.

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** What she meant was that she'd ''much rather'' be a farm girl (subsequently leading a rather harder life) than married to Gaston.
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* In the prologue, the Enchantress calls Adam “a handsome young prince”, yet his father is nowhere to be seen except in the portraits. Did the Enchantress kill him to remove his influence on his son? If that’s the case, would Adam become a King when he turned back into a human and Belle his Queen?
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* After Gaston shows Belle what happens to unmarried women after the fathers die, Belle says she wants to be a farm girl. But at the end of the film, she marries the Beast-turned Prince. Would she have to give up her dream of being a farm-girl? If so, that goes against her character. Or would she start up a farm just outside the castle? This troper just came out of watching the latest Cinderella film starring Camila Cabello, where Cinderella gives up being a Princess to run a dress shop.
** What she meant was that she'd ''much rather'' be a farm girl (subsequently leading a rather harder life) than married to Gaston.
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** He was speaking French. As for why Gaston didn't understand him, my theory is that [[LanguageFluencyDenial Gaston knows just enough French to say "I don't speak English" in French, and [=LeFou=] knows just enough French to say "I don't know what you're saying" in French]].
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**What she meant was that she'd ''much rather'' be a farm girl (subsequently leading a rather harder life) than married to Gaston.


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