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** Bit of comparable medieval politics for context. Ozai appears to be an absolute monarch, his word is law in the Fire Nation, but he is still one man so he has a series of people working under him to run the empire day to day functions called vassals. People like Meis family who stepped in to run Omashu after it was conquered who Ozai has a set agreement with probably in the form of a contract. If they can force Ozai to legally surrender and end the war as mentioned his word is law in the Fire Nation so the war has to end. And if he tried to go back on his word that would create trouble at home because all those vassals would start to worry about when their own agreement would become inconvenient potentially leading to unrest that would stifle any effort to just ignore whatever treaty they forced upon him.
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** Bit of comparable medieval politics for context. Ozai appears to be an absolute monarch, his word is law in the Fire Nation, but he is still one man so he has a series of people working under him to run the empire day to day functions that in the real world were called vassals. People like Meis family who stepped in to run Omashu after it was conquered who Ozai has a set agreement with probably in the form of a contract. If they can force Ozai to legally surrender and end the war as mentioned his word is law in the Fire Nation so the war has to end. And if he tried to go back on his word that would create trouble at home because all those vassals would start to worry about when their own agreement would become inconvenient potentially leading to unrest that would stifle any effort to just ignore whatever treaty they forced upon him.
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** Bit of comparable medieval politics for context. Ozai appears to be an absolute monarch, his word is law in the Fire Nation, but he is still one man so he has a series of people working under him to run the empire day to day functions called vassals. People like Meis family who stepped in to run Omashu after it was conquered who Ozai has a set agreement with probably in the form of a contract. If they can force Ozai to legally surrender and end the war as mentioned his word is law in the Fire Nation so the war has to end. And if he tried to go back on his word that would create trouble at home because all those vassals would start to worry about when their own agreement would become inconvenient potentially leading to unrest that would stifle any effort to just ignore whatever treaty they forced upon him.
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** Fire Lord word is law, he can't turn it down. When he got the order, it was unthinkable to Ozai at the time (before the Search changed/altered Ozai's earlier attitude, throwing this into doubt), for as much as he despised weakness that he saw in Zuko, he couldn't believe Azulon would order the death of his own grandson and probably didn't have it in him to kill Zuko until the order came. Then, he would've done so, solely because Azulon ordered it. It became a lot less harder for Ozai to carry out the order when he saw that same "dishonorable brat" brandish a couple of swords and outright disrespect him in the bunker.
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* A quote from Ozai: "My father, Fire Lord Azulon, had commanded me to do the unthinkable to you, my own son,and I was going to do it". How is ordering Zuko's death unthinkable when A) he later admits that he would carry out the order without hesitation, and B) Zuko is the Unfavorite, and thus he wouldn't give a crap if it was unthinkable?
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** I might need some clarity. Azula already knew of the plans from the King, it wouldn't matter for Azula to take Katara's plans because then Katara knows that Azula knows of the invasion and that would foil Azula's counter strategy. Can't lure in a chump to a trap if said chump already knows the trap's coming.
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** I might need some clarity. Azula already knew of the plans from the King, it wouldn't matter for Azula to take Katara's plans because then Katara knows that Azula knows of the invasion and that would foil Azula's counter strategy.counter-strategy. Can't lure in a chump to a trap if said chump already knows the trap's coming.
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** I might need some clarity. Azula already knew of the plans from the King, it wouldn't matter for Azula to take Katara's plans because then Katara knows that Azula knows of the invasion and that would foil Azula's counter strategy. Can't lure in a chump to a trap if said chump already knows the trap's coming.
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One big headscratcher that has always bugged me: Isn’t Katara still carrying the plans for the invasion when she is captured by Azula and company? So she ought to have known that the proposed invasion was no longer a secret...
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One big headscratcher that has always bugged me: Isn’t Katara still carrying the plans for the invasion when she is captured by Azula and company? So she ought to have known that the proposed invasion was no longer a secret...
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** Subjugation. Make him surrender. That was the plan. Hell, if Zuko had met up with them before or afterwards, it may have planned out a bit better. Zuko had changed by that point, so he would've smoothed things over with the Gaang and would've been their ally and helped out. Plus, as Zuko's older than Azula, he would've been able to ascend the throne and end the war that way, ideally. Realistically, However, they would've found out at that point, a FatalFlaw in the plan: Their trump card is a 12 year old boy who does not have it in him to take a life; which Ozai would've picked up on and shut down until the firebending's back on.
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* What, exactly, was the invaders' ultimate plan if everything had gone right, and Aang had been able to defeat Ozai? In that case either Zuko or Azula would succeed him, and for all the Gaang knows, either one is just as bad as Ozai? (They had no way of knowing about Zuko's moral conflict.) The invasion force is not big enough to hold off the entire Fire Nation army once their bending is back, so even in the best case scenario the invasion would've ended like it did now, only with the evil Firelord's equally evil (as far they know) offspring on the throne. If they had had the Earth Nation army with them, which was the original plan, they might've been able to conquer the Fire Nation, but that option was lost when Ba Sing Se fell.
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* What, exactly, was the invaders' ultimate plan if everything had gone right, and Aang had been able to defeat Ozai? In that case either Zuko or Azula would succeed him, and for all the Gaang knows, either one is just as bad as Ozai? Ozai. (They had no way of knowing about Zuko's moral conflict.) The invasion force is not big enough to hold off the entire Fire Nation army once their bending is back, so even in the best case scenario the invasion would've ended like it did now, only with the evil Firelord's equally evil (as far they know) offspring on the throne. If they had had the Earth Nation army with them, which was the original plan, they might've been able to conquer the Fire Nation, but that option was lost when Ba Sing Se fell.
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* What, exactly, was the invaders' ultimate plan if everything had gone right, and Aang had been able to defeat Ozai? In that case either Zuko or Azula would succeed him, and for all the Gaang knows, either one is just as bad as Ozai? (They had no way of knowing about Zuko's moral conflict.) The invasion force is not big enough to hold off the entire Fire Nation army once their bending is back, so even in the best case scenario the invasion would've ended like it did now, only with the evil Firelord's equally evil (as far they know) offspring on the throne.
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* What, exactly, was the invaders' ultimate plan if everything had gone right, and Aang had been able to defeat Ozai? In that case either Zuko or Azula would succeed him, and for all the Gaang knows, either one is just as bad as Ozai? (They had no way of knowing about Zuko's moral conflict.) The invasion force is not big enough to hold off the entire Fire Nation army once their bending is back, so even in the best case scenario the invasion would've ended like it did now, only with the evil Firelord's equally evil (as far they know) offspring on the throne. If they had had the Earth Nation army with them, which was the original plan, they might've been able to conquer the Fire Nation, but that option was lost when Ba Sing Se fell.
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* What, exactly, was the invasion force's ultimate plan if everything had gone right, and Aang had been able to defeat Ozai? In that case either Zuko or Azula would succeed him, and for all the Gaang knows, either one is just as bad as Ozai? (They had no way of knowing about Zuko's moral conflict.) There's invaders can't really hold off the entire Fire Nation army once their bending is back, so even in the best case scenario the invasion would've ended like it did now, only with the evil Firelord's equally evil (as far they know) offspring on the throne.
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* What, exactly, was the invasion force's invaders' ultimate plan if everything had gone right, and Aang had been able to defeat Ozai? In that case either Zuko or Azula would succeed him, and for all the Gaang knows, either one is just as bad as Ozai? (They had no way of knowing about Zuko's moral conflict.) There's invaders can't really The invasion force is not big enough to hold off the entire Fire Nation army once their bending is back, so even in the best case scenario the invasion would've ended like it did now, only with the evil Firelord's equally evil (as far they know) offspring on the throne.
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* What, exactly, was the invasion force's ultimate plan if everything had gone right, and Aang had been able to defeat Ozai? In that case either Zuko or Azula would succeed him, and for all the Gaang knows, either one is just as bad as Ozai? (They had no way of knowing about Zuko's moral conflict.) There's invaders can't really hold off the entire Fire Nation army once their bending is back, so even in the best case scenario the invasion would've ended like it did now, only with the evil Firelord's equally evil (as far they know) offspring on the throne.
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** The above poster is right but to add on a few things, Zuko still doesn't have it in him to kill his father (the swords were a deterrent which worked, he'd have been SOL if Ozai went on the offense). Even if Zuko defeated his father there and then, Ozai still has the control of the guards and has no answer just yet on how to deal with Azula who still has more ability than he does. By going off to find Aang instead, he knows full well Ozai would still be in preparations for battle and have no time to pursue the Avatar. Also remember, part of the conflict at the beginning of the series finale is that Zuko doesn't know that Aang doesn't know what Ozai will do with the power of Sozin's Comet. Finally, even if Aang and co. manage to get in there to off the Fire Lord, Azula assumes the role next via Dynasty rules, citing Zuko as a banished traitor and has all of them killed by the overwhelming numbers of the Fire Nation army...who then likely (purely fan speculation at this point) starts going nuts without any family left and runs the Fire Nation into ruin.
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** One, they did that in the finale. Two, it requires said individual into melee with the balloons, which can be a bit difficult.
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** One, they did that in the finale. Two, it requires said individual into melee with the balloons, which can be a bit difficult.
difficult. 3, one metalbender against ~10 ships and a full blown militia with no plan of attack will be insufficient.
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** Zuko knows that Aang et al don't trust him and have very legitimate grievances against him, personally. It would look like an obvious trap, and they'd almost certainly just kick his ass on sight (especially Katara), even if Zuko did manage to find them.
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* I understand that Zuko telling his father off for his horrible parenting style is an important character moment for him, but from a more practical standpoint, couldn't he have instead used the eclipse to find Aang and co. and lead them to Ozai's chamber? At this point, he knows full well what Ozai plans to do once Sozin's Comet arrives, which makes it imperative that Aang defeat him before then. Zuko even acknowledges that it's Aang's duty to kill the Fire Lord, not his...but the eclipse would've been the best time to do that. Why not take advantage of it and save [[CallingTheOldManOut]] for later?
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* I understand that Zuko telling his father off for his horrible parenting style is an important character moment for him, but from a more practical standpoint, couldn't he have instead used the eclipse to find Aang and co. and lead them to Ozai's chamber? At this point, he knows full well what Ozai plans to do once Sozin's Comet arrives, which makes it imperative that Aang defeat him before then. Zuko even acknowledges that it's Aang's duty to kill the Fire Lord, not his...but the eclipse would've been the best time to do that. Why not take advantage of it and save [[CallingTheOldManOut]] CallingTheOldManOut for later?
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* I understand that Zuko telling his father off for his horrible parenting style is an important character moment for him, but from a more practical standpoint, couldn't he have instead used the eclipse to find Aang and co. and lead them to Ozai's chamber? At this point, he knows full well what Ozai plans to do once Sozin's Comet arrives, which makes it imperative that Aang defeat him before then. Zuko even acknowledges that it's Aang's duty to kill the Fire Lord, not his...but the eclipse would've been the best time to do that. Why not take advantage of it and save [[CallingTheOldManOut]] for later?
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** Golden Rule of Thumb in hostage situations: Don't piss off the guy holding the weapon.
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** Mai finds out about Zuko's defection between now and ''The Boiling Rock'' so odds are good she's out looking to see if she can stop Zuko. It can also, to tie in with the above poster's theory, be just that only royalty and guards are supposed to be in that bunker and thus she couldn't take Mai and Ty Lee along with her into there. As for why Ty Lee wasn't there? She probably overslept?
