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** To be fair, I'm not entire sure Wargrave predicted anything about who ended up being last to die (at least not in a concrete "here is my exact list of the strict order in which I am predicting that everyone will die with 100% unshakeable certainty" sense). He ''personally'' thinks Vera was the worst and deserved it more, but ultimately there's not exactly a yawning moral chasm between what Vera and Lombard did, so he probably wouldn't have been ''too'' bothered if it ended up being Lombard. He just personally thought it would have been more appropriate to be Vera.

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** To be fair, I'm not entire sure Wargrave predicted anything about who ended up being last to die (at least not in a concrete "here is my exact list of the strict order in which I am predicting that everyone will die with 100% unshakeable certainty" sense). He ''personally'' thinks Vera was the worst and deserved it more, but ultimately there's not exactly a yawning moral chasm between what Vera and Lombard did, so he probably wouldn't have been ''too'' bothered if it ended up being Lombard. He just personally thought it would have been more appropriate to be Vera.




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** To be fair, I'm not entirely sure Wargrave predicted anything about who ended up being last to die (at least not in a concrete "here is my exact list of the strict order in which I am predicting that everyone will die with 100% unshakeable certainty" sense). He ''personally'' thinks Vera was the worst and deserved it more, but ultimately there's not exactly a yawning moral chasm between what Vera and Lombard did, so he probably wouldn't have been ''too'' bothered if it ended up being Lombard. He just personally thought it would have been more appropriate to be Vera.

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** ''Ten Little Yidies'', ''Ten Little Jhonnies (19th centriy Chinese immigrant in Britain)'', there's a variation of any race if you want to find one. Seriously.
*** Actually, I was refering to the first one, it's just that in Soviet Russia the name of the novel was completely deprived of any derogatory undertone and sounds like "Ten little negroes". I saw the name written like this in the Web and assumed it was like this initially. I couldn't imagine that they would feature a derogatory variant of the word in the name of a book for no reason.

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** ''Ten Little Yidies'', ''Ten Little Jhonnies (19th centriy century Chinese immigrant in Britain)'', there's a variation of any race if you want to find one. Seriously.
*** Actually, I was refering referring to the first one, it's just that in Soviet Russia the name of the novel was completely deprived of any derogatory undertone and sounds like "Ten little negroes". I saw the name written like this in the Web and assumed it was like this initially. I couldn't imagine that they would feature a derogatory variant of the word in the name of a book for no reason.




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**There's nothing suggesting that the Killer didn't have extra figurines should someone have caught on.
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*** Actually, I was refering to the first one, it's just that in Soviet Russia the name of the novel was completely deprieved of any derogatory undertone and sounds like "Ten little negroes". I saw the name written like this in the Web and assumed it was like this initially. I couldn't imagine that they would feature a derogatory variant of the word in the name of a book for no reason.

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*** Actually, I was refering to the first one, it's just that in Soviet Russia the name of the novel was completely deprieved deprived of any derogatory undertone and sounds like "Ten little negroes". I saw the name written like this in the Web and assumed it was like this initially. I couldn't imagine that they would feature a derogatory variant of the word in the name of a book for no reason.



*** What is true in US is not true in the rest of the world. At last in Latin America the term 'negro' is fairly acceptable one (not "politically correct", but not derogatory either. I don't know how things went in Russia, but in Brazil the name change(at 2008) was considered unnecessary.

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*** What is true in US is not true in the rest of the world. At last in Latin America the term 'negro' is fairly acceptable one (not "politically correct", but not derogatory either. I don't know how things went in Russia, but in Brazil the name change(at change (at 2008) was considered unnecessary.



** Even if there'd been a last survivor, [[TheBadGuyWins Wargrave might still]] [[XanatosGambit have gotten his way]]. Whomever was left behind on the island would naturally be blamed for the murders, and hanged for them. Technically that wouldn't match the poem's suicide, but JediTruth could always claim that they'd put themselves into the noose by committing their original crime, and then coming to the island in the first place!
** No, Christie changed the ending to all of her books adapted to plays in which the killer escapes in the book. Best example is Witness for the Prosecution, where she changed the ending.

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** Even if there'd been a last survivor, [[TheBadGuyWins Wargrave might still]] [[XanatosGambit have gotten his way]]. Whomever was left behind on the island would naturally be blamed for the murders, and hanged for them. Technically that wouldn't match the poem's suicide, but JediTruth [[MetaphoricallyTrue could always claim that they'd put themselves into the noose by committing their original crime, crime,]] and then coming to the island in the first place!
** No, Christie changed the ending to all of her books adapted to plays in which the killer escapes in the book. Best example is Witness ''Witness for the Prosecution, Prosecution'', where she changed the ending.
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**** No, you must be misremembering: this dialogue takes place ''right after'' they've found Armstrong's body.

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**** Notice how, after they find Rogers dead and are finally brought down to working for themselves, the two women immediately go to the kitchen, unasked and unprompted, and they only demand (of the ''four'' assembled men) that they chop up some firewood... and then the narrative tells us that "before his death Rogers had actually chopped up a fair bit of wood" so the men pick ''that'' up and carry it to the house. None of the men do any chopping. Even when the servant is actually murdered stone dead, those at the top of the pecking order are only capable of mooching off him.


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** The way I see it, from Lombard's point of view, Vera's question "how was it worked, the trick with the marble bear" was Vera still trying to convince Lombard she's innocent. He thinks she's saying, effectively, "okay, if I'm the killer, then how did I drop the marble bear on Blore, huh? Huh?" And Lombard, suffering from the lethal blase cool bad boy syndrome and trying to keep his cool to the very end, replies the way he replies because he's trying to signal to her that he won't be taken in by any gotchas she concocts. Of course, from ''her'' point of view, it's an honest question and an admission. That's how I always saw it, and it was a nice bit of ExactWords in my mind.

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*** The whole "idea" behind Wargrave's plan, at least the way he seemed to sell it to Armstrong, was to catch the killer off guard with a death not caused by them. They might not blurt out a confession, but surely there would be some kind of reaction that they could take advantage of. Its honestly not a bad plan, too bad it was U.N. Owen he was working with.




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**Most adaptations I've seen to place the weekend a week after Thomas and Ethel were hired, if not sooner (Ethel in the 1945 film even complains about the Owens throwing a party not a week after they arrived, or something to that effect). As for them "not recognizing Wargrave", they were hired through some sort of employment agency, not Wargrave directly.


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***I thought they were still under the assumption that Armstrong was the killer at that point (remember, they hadn't found his body yet), so his "conjuring trick" line was probably just an honest answer to her question.
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*** It doesn't mean that the diaries ''didn't'' say he was murdered in the parlor - it only means that he will be found in the bed where he's supposed to be when everything's over. Actually, given how the police are not too brilliant in Agatha Christie's books, to put it mildly, I see no problem at all with suggestion that they just missed the significance of this detail. Also, to put a question in the manner of "why the police didn't get evidence of what really happened from the victims' diaries" suggests that the solution should be obvious to an attentive reader of the novel even prior to the reveal, which is hardly the case. That said, we have no proof that the police really lack the evidence (as opposed to the skills to interpret it); for all we know, for the events up to and including Wargrave's murder the police might have learnt from the diaries the same important facts about what had happened on the Negro Island as a reader of the novel.

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*** It doesn't mean that the diaries ''didn't'' say he was murdered in the parlor - it only means that he will be found in the bed where he's supposed to be when everything's over. Actually, given how the police are not too brilliant in Agatha Christie's books, to put it mildly, I see no problem at all with suggestion that they just missed the significance of this detail. Also, to put a question in the manner of "why the police didn't get evidence of what really happened from the victims' diaries" suggests that the solution should be obvious to an attentive reader of the novel even prior to the reveal, which is hardly the case.case (unless the reader's "method" is attributing to the characters internal monologues as provided by the omniscient narrator). That said, we have no proof that the police really lack the evidence (as opposed to the skills to interpret it); for all we know, for the events up to and including Wargrave's murder the police might have learnt from the diaries the same important facts about what had happened on the Negro Island as a reader of the novel.
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*** It doesn't mean that the diaries ''didn't'' say he was murdered in the parlor - it only means that he will be found in the bed where he's supposed to be when everything's over. Actually, given how the police are not too brilliant in Agatha Christie's books, to put it mildly, I see no problem at all with suggestion that they just missed the significance of this detail. Also, no, we're not "essentially asking why the police didn't get evidence of what really happened from the victims' diaries" because we have no proof that the police really lack the evidence (as opposed to the skills to interpret it); for all we know, for the events up to and including Wargrave's murder the police might have learnt from the diaries the same important facts about what had happened on the Negro Island as a reader of the novel.

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*** It doesn't mean that the diaries ''didn't'' say he was murdered in the parlor - it only means that he will be found in the bed where he's supposed to be when everything's over. Actually, given how the police are not too brilliant in Agatha Christie's books, to put it mildly, I see no problem at all with suggestion that they just missed the significance of this detail. Also, no, we're not "essentially asking why to put a question in the manner of "why the police didn't get evidence of what really happened from the victims' diaries" because suggests that the solution should be obvious to an attentive reader of the novel even prior to the reveal, which is hardly the case. That said, we have no proof that the police really lack the evidence (as opposed to the skills to interpret it); for all we know, for the events up to and including Wargrave's murder the police might have learnt from the diaries the same important facts about what had happened on the Negro Island as a reader of the novel.
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*** It doesn't mean that the diaries ''didn't'' say he was murdered in the parlor - it only means that he will be found in the bed where he's supposed to be when everything's over. Actually, given how the police are not too brilliant in Agatha Christie's books, to put it mildly, I see no problem at all with suggestion that they just missed the significance of this detail. Also, no, we're not "essentially asking why the police didn't get evidence of what really happened from the victims' diaries" because we have no proof that the police really lacks the evidence (as opposed to the skills to interpret it); for all we know, for the events up to and including Wargrave's murder the police might have learnt from the diaries the same important facts about what had happened on the Negro Island as a reader of the novel.

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*** It doesn't mean that the diaries ''didn't'' say he was murdered in the parlor - it only means that he will be found in the bed where he's supposed to be when everything's over. Actually, given how the police are not too brilliant in Agatha Christie's books, to put it mildly, I see no problem at all with suggestion that they just missed the significance of this detail. Also, no, we're not "essentially asking why the police didn't get evidence of what really happened from the victims' diaries" because we have no proof that the police really lacks lack the evidence (as opposed to the skills to interpret it); for all we know, for the events up to and including Wargrave's murder the police might have learnt from the diaries the same important facts about what had happened on the Negro Island as a reader of the novel.



** One could add that it also relies on the gun still being in a workable condition and with at least one more bullet inside after those three kill each other. Otherwise Wargrave will probably become the primary suspect as the cause of his death won't match with the written evidence. He could muddle the things by destroying all the diaries and notes, but it would actually move the mystery from "how on earth could it be done?" category to "well, most likely one of these killed everybody else and then committed suicude - we just don't know who exactly it was". [[FridgeBrilliance Which actually means that his plan relied on one more thing - that at least one of those who "outlived" him kept some notes on the case. If so, he probably counted on Blore doing that, the latter being an experienced policeman.]]

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** One could add that it also relies on the gun still being in a workable condition and with at least one more bullet inside after those three kill each other. Otherwise Wargrave will probably become the primary suspect as the cause of his death won't match with the written evidence. He could muddle the things by destroying all the diaries and notes, but it would actually move the mystery from "how on earth could it be done?" category to "well, most likely one of these killed everybody else and then committed suicude suicide - we just don't know who exactly it was". [[FridgeBrilliance Which actually means that his plan relied on one more thing - that at least one of those who "outlived" him kept some notes on the case. If so, he probably counted on Blore doing that, the latter being an experienced policeman.]]
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*** It doesn't mean that the diaries ''didn't'' say he was murdered in the parlor - it only means that he will be found in the bed where he's supposed to be when everything's over. Actually, given how the police are not too brilliant in Agatha Christie's books, to put it mildly, I see no problem at all with suggestion that they just missed the significance of this detail.

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*** It doesn't mean that the diaries ''didn't'' say he was murdered in the parlor - it only means that he will be found in the bed where he's supposed to be when everything's over. Actually, given how the police are not too brilliant in Agatha Christie's books, to put it mildly, I see no problem at all with suggestion that they just missed the significance of this detail. Also, no, we're not "essentially asking why the police didn't get evidence of what really happened from the victims' diaries" because we have no proof that the police really lacks the evidence (as opposed to the skills to interpret it); for all we know, for the events up to and including Wargrave's murder the police might have learnt from the diaries the same important facts about what had happened on the Negro Island as a reader of the novel.
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**** It doesn't mean that the diaries ''didn't'' say he was murdered in the parlor - it only means that he will be found in the bed where he's supposed to be when everything's over. Actually, given how the police are not too brilliant in Agatha Christie's books, to put it mildly, I see no problem at all with suggestion that they just missed the significance of this detail.
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*** This whole conversation about diaries seems a bit circular and redundant. We're essentially asking why the police didn't get evidence of what really happened from the victims' diaries. Clearly the answer is that the victims, for whatever reason, didn't include anything that was especially helpful to the police about what happened in their diaries (likely because they were all a bit preoccupied with the whole "trying to survive on an isolated island with a killer hunting them down" situation to keep up with their journalling, hardly that unreasonable under the circumstances). If they had, the police would have used it to figure out what really happened; they didn't, so they didn't. QED.

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*** This whole conversation about diaries seems a bit circular and redundant. We're essentially asking why the police didn't get evidence of what really happened from the victims' diaries. Clearly the answer is that the victims, for whatever reason, didn't include anything that was especially helpful to the police about what happened in their diaries (likely because they were all a bit preoccupied with the whole "trying to survive on an isolated island with a killer hunting them down" situation to keep up with their journalling, hardly that unreasonable under the circumstances). If they had, had included anything that contradicted the scene as presented or revealed the truth, the police would have used it to figure out what really happened; they didn't, so they didn't. QED.
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*** Wargrave, in his final confession, states, "I will be found, shot through the head, laid neatly on my bed in accordance with the diaries of my fellow victims..." Or something of that nature. That would pretty much lay any question of whether or not the diaries said 'Wargrave was murdered in the parlor,' to rest. The diaries say he was murdered by a shot to the head, and that's what the authorities find when they arrive.

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*** Some things to consider however. This is Wargrave's ultimate gambit. If the other survivors, save Armstrong, figure out he's faking death, then it's likely game over. Wargrave might be able to come up with some excuse, but whatever he says, it's not going to be enough to remove the suspicion of him being somehow involved in the murders if he's caught out, so Wargrave is for sure doing everything humanly possible to sell it. The lighting is another huge factor. They lit a handful of candles. Vera takes one when she leaves. The others come up to her room with candles, and since they came up to the sound of her screaming, you can bet they took some of the already lit ones from the room. Having been in a recent power outage in full dark, I can tell you, candles don't provide a lot of light even when they're plentiful. If they all took one, then the six candles lighting the large room becomes two, and since Armstrong keeps everyone back for the majority of Wargrave's "body" discovery, the room would be heavily dark and Armstrong actively prevents the other three from getting too close to see Wargrave, or the wound. He also tips the "wig," and may have pulled it down over Wargrave's forehead and face to further obscure the "bullet wound."
*** Wargrave, in the novel, isn't described as a very large man. He's short, and frail, and could easily be carried by two people. Blore and Armstrong could carry him, and you know as part of the gambit that not only would Armstrong volunteer to carry the body, he'd be carrying Wargrave at the upper body. With Armstrong in that position, and either Blore or Lombard carrying Wargrave by his feet, it would be easy to conceal Wargrave was alive. They'd have Wargrave's shoes, and they aren't going to be able to feel his pulse there. The red curtains acting as a "robe" would also help in concealing Wargrave's chest movement if Wargrave was breathing shallowly. The hallway and stairs would be in darkness save for someone walking ahead, and they'd only have one lit candle lighting the way. The person at Wargrave's feet may even have their back to the body so they can see the stairs going up. Once he was placed, the others wouldn't hang out there long.In a brightly-lit room, no way it works. But in these circumstances, it's fairly plausible he could pull it off.



*** At that point in the story, while there's still some distrust, they mostly believe Armstrong is the killer, and so there's no reason for Lombard to kill Blore and Vera at that point. Also, while he could easily kill Blore with little thought, I don't think he could kill Vera that easily, even if it was as a way to guarantee saving his own skin. Besides, while he doesn't entirely buy that Armstrong is the killer as much as Blore and Vera do, if he's wrong, he then loses the opportunity to use them as fodder to keep Armstrong at bay until he can shoot him himself.
*** Another consideration is that Lombard, in terms of the story, still feels pretty untouchable. He has no qualms telling Blore he thinks he's going to be killed, but even though he doubts his own survival a little, he still treats the situation as something of a game that he can win. Also, remember his final showdown with Vera. It says that all his life he's taken the risky way, and does so again in his last act before dying. Allowing Blore and Vera to stay alive is a risk if one of them is the killer, but at that point, he doesn't suspect Vera at all, and since he's been in dangerous situations many times before, AND he's armed, I'm sure he's not considering Blore, if he is the killer, to be any real threat to him.



** Morris' culpability isn't less than Marston's, and while Marston is the first death on the island, Morris is the first true victim. Wargrave leaves him with a pill to take before they all leave for the island that kills Morris before, or just slightly after, Marston is murdered.







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*** It's not established that the letter was solely responsible for driving Lombard to suicide. I don't remember Louis Hayward's dialogue but in the Oliver Reed version, he says that he's not sure why Lombard killed himself, and decided to come posing as Lombard to see if the letter COULD have been a factor in why Lombard took his own life.




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*** Rogers DOES try. It doesn't end well for him. Also, the figures being removed one by one as the guests were murdered were just a bonus to mess with their heads, like the rhyme in all their rooms. Wargrave wants them to watch the dwindling figures and nervously wonder who's death will remove the next one. There's no way that Wargrave is going to stop murdering people just because he can't take away one of the figures. That's definitely proved at the end. Because he's "dead," along with everyone else, there are three figures left on the table. It's Vera who breaks two of them to mark the deaths of Blore and Lombard, and she keeps the third one for herself until her mind completely snaps seeing the noose and she drops it and breaks it.
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** To be fair, I'm not entire sure Wargrave predicted anything about who ended up being last to die (at least not in a concrete "here is my exact list of the strict order in which I am predicting that everyone will die" sense). He ''personally'' thinks Vera was the worst and deserved it more, but ultimately there's not exactly a yawning moral chasm between what Vera and Lombard did, so he probably wouldn't have been ''too'' bothered if it ended up being Lombard. He just personally thought it would have been more appropriate to be Vera.

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** To be fair, I'm not entire sure Wargrave predicted anything about who ended up being last to die (at least not in a concrete "here is my exact list of the strict order in which I am predicting that everyone will die" die with 100% unshakeable certainty" sense). He ''personally'' thinks Vera was the worst and deserved it more, but ultimately there's not exactly a yawning moral chasm between what Vera and Lombard did, so he probably wouldn't have been ''too'' bothered if it ended up being Lombard. He just personally thought it would have been more appropriate to be Vera.



** The nursery rhyme is just a little thematic colour that Wargrave (and by extension Christie) is applying to the situation because he finds some of the broad similarities amusing. It's not intended to be a set-in-stone blueprint which cannot be deviated from.

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** The nursery rhyme is just a little thematic colour that Wargrave (and by extension Christie) is applying to the situation because he finds some of the broad similarities amusing. It's not intended to be a unbreakable set-in-stone blueprint which cannot be deviated from.from under any circumstances whatsoever. If he was that rigid and inflexible about it he probably wouldn't have murdered any of them, since none of them are exact matches for the rhyme.
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*** This whole conversation about diaries seems a bit circular and redundant. We're essentially asking why the police didn't get evidence of what really happened from the victims' diaries. Clearly the answer is that the victims, for whatever reason, didn't include anything that was especially helpful to the police about what happened in their diaries (likely because they were all a bit preoccupied with the whole "trying to survive on an isolated island with a killer hunting them down" situation to keep up with their journalling, hardly that unreasonable under the circumstances). If they had, the police would have used it to figure out what really happened; they didn't, so they didn't. QED.
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*** They weren't * that* ignorant. Head wounds bleed profusely, people have known that as long as there have been head wounds. All of Wargrave's blood would have been pooled on the bed and none where he was allegedly murdered.

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*** They weren't * that* *that* ignorant. Head wounds bleed profusely, people have known that as long as there have been head wounds. All of Wargrave's blood would have been pooled on the bed and none where he was allegedly murdered.
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*** Besides, Lombard's no fool: he's perfectly aware of the Hostile Suspicion Chain described above and understands that his words matter little at this point.

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*** Besides, Lombard's no fool: he's perfectly aware of the Hostile Suspicion Chain described above and understands that his words matter little at this point.point even if Vera's not the culprit.
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** While there is a certain degree of ContrivedCoincidence owing to the fact that he probably couldn't predict the exact weather on the exact days his plot was going into action, he could nevertheless make an educated guess simply by consulting an almanac that outlined what the seasonal weather and seas were likely to be like in that particular area. He simply chooses a time of year which is more likely than not to see rough weather and seas that would make it difficult for a party from the land to travel to Soldier Island. He just happened to get lucky (in part due to AnthropicPrinciple; if it didn't happen, there'd be no story).

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** While there is a certain degree of ContrivedCoincidence and RuleOfSymbolism going on owing to the fact that he probably couldn't predict the exact weather on the exact days his plot was going into action, he could nevertheless make an educated guess guess. He simply by consulting consults an almanac that outlined outlines what the seasonal weather and seas were likely to be like in that particular area. He simply area at any given time, chooses a time of year which is more likely than not to see rough weather and seas that would make it difficult for a party from the land to travel to Soldier Island. He just happened to get lucky Island, and hopes his luck is in. Fortunately for him, it was (in part due to AnthropicPrinciple; if it didn't happen, there'd be no story).
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** While there is a certain degree of ContrivedCoincidence owing to the fact that he probably couldn't predict the exact weather on the exact days his plot was going into action, he could nevertheless make an educated guess simply by consulting an almanac that outlined what the seasonal weather and seas were likely to be like in that particular area. He simply chooses a time of year which is more likely than not to see rough weather and seas that would make it difficult for a party from the land to travel to Soldier Island. He just happened to get lucky (in part due to AnthropicPrinciple; if it didn't happen, there'd be no story).
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** ''Is'' it taken seriously? We learn that it is discovered, yes, but beyond this all we get is the text of the confession itself. Naturally, the reader is expected to take it seriously because it's TheSummation of the murder mystery they've just read, but so far as we really learn in the text itself it's considered a possible hoax or prank.
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** To be fair, I'm not entire sure Wargrave predicted anything about who ended up being last to die. He ''personally'' thinks Vera was the worst and deserved it more, but ultimately there's not exactly a yawning moral chasm between what Vera and Lombard did, so he probably wouldn't have been ''too'' bothered if it ended up being Lombard. He just personally thought it would have been more appropriate to be Vera.

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** To be fair, I'm not entire sure Wargrave predicted anything about who ended up being last to die.die (at least not in a concrete "here is my exact list of the strict order in which I am predicting that everyone will die" sense). He ''personally'' thinks Vera was the worst and deserved it more, but ultimately there's not exactly a yawning moral chasm between what Vera and Lombard did, so he probably wouldn't have been ''too'' bothered if it ended up being Lombard. He just personally thought it would have been more appropriate to be Vera.




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** The nursery rhyme is just a little thematic colour that Wargrave (and by extension Christie) is applying to the situation because he finds some of the broad similarities amusing. It's not intended to be a set-in-stone blueprint which cannot be deviated from.

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