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****[[Videogame/SonicLostWorld Sonic Lost World]] reveals that [[DystopiaJustifiesTheMeans Eggman doesn't care what state the planet is in as long as he's in charge,]] so I don't think he would toss that away as a loss. Regardless, Sonic can still obtain the good ending after the Metal Sonic race by acquiring the last 1 or 2 Time Stones in Metallic Madness. (''which, while incredibly difficult, is possible.'') Stardust Speedway appearing in its Bad Future state may simply be explained by the fact that [[CuttingOffTheBranches the race canonically took place there,]] so that's where Metal was left to rot until Eggman found and retrieved him a year later. Besides, various materials have always said that [[TimeyWimeyBall Little Planet ignores the flow of time]], so who's to say that [[FridgeHorror Eggman's influence on the planet wasn't entirely erased]]? After all, [[Videogame/SonicMania Sonic Mania]] reveals that the Eggman Statue in Stardust Speedway, as well as Metallic Madness - Eggman's main base of operations - still exist on Little Planet.
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** This is even supported by the official website of Episode I, which stated that Eggman didn't give spikes to all Bubbles/[[note]]The regualr blue ones, at least. Red Bubbles make their debut in Episode I and later appear in Episode II[[/note]] in order to cut costs.

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** This is even supported by the official website of Episode I, which stated that Eggman didn't give spikes to all Bubbles/[[note]]The Bubbles[[note]]The regualr blue ones, at least. Red Bubbles make their debut in Episode I and later appear in Episode II[[/note]] in order to cut costs.
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** This is even supported by the official website of Episode I, which stated that Eggman didn't give spikes to all Bubbles in order to cut costs.

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** This is even supported by the official website of Episode I, which stated that Eggman didn't give spikes to all Bubbles/[[note]]The regualr blue ones, at least. Red Bubbles make their debut in Episode I and later appear in Episode II[[/note]] in order to cut costs.
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** Badniks aren't exactly great challenges on their own, and even in groups they'll give moderate trouble at best. Metal Sonic has proven himself to be rather arrogant, and since his mission is to terminate Sonic it's likely that he is the only one Metal could possibly consider his rival. Therefore, he wouldn't waste his time and energy using his powers on the slow, clunky Badniks, but rather save them for when he has the world's fastest hedgehog to contend with.
* It was said that Episode 2 would bridge a gap between Metal Sonic's appearance in CD and explain how he showed up in Heroes. At first, you see no allusions to Heroes, but then you realize that this isn't meant to be a direct link; this is meant to set up Metal Sonic's slip into madness. The best technology at their disposal, the strongest mystical energy they can find without resorting to Chaos energy, all weaved into his chassis, and he still can't manage a fight with Sonic. Add in the fact that someone ''[[VideoGame/SonicAdventure2 even stronger than him]]'' showed up and allowed for such a close bout than the Doctor had gotten with Metal, and the mix of power corrupting his system, burning hatred, and a possible inferiority complex would eventually cause him to turn on his creator.

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** Badniks aren't exactly great challenges on their own, and even in groups they'll give moderate trouble at best. Metal Sonic has proven himself to be rather arrogant, and since his mission is to terminate Sonic Sonic, it's likely that he is the only one Metal could possibly consider his rival. Therefore, he wouldn't waste his time and energy using his powers on the slow, clunky Badniks, but rather save them for when he has the world's fastest hedgehog to contend with.
* It was said that Episode 2 would bridge a gap between Metal Sonic's appearance in CD ''CD'' and explain how he showed up in Heroes. ''Heroes''. At first, you see no allusions to Heroes, ''Heroes'', but then you realize that this isn't meant to be a direct link; this is meant to set up Metal Sonic's slip into madness. The best technology at their disposal, the strongest mystical energy they can find without resorting to Chaos energy, all weaved into his chassis, and he still can't manage win a fight with Sonic. Add in the fact that someone ''[[VideoGame/SonicAdventure2 even stronger than him]]'' showed up and allowed for such a close closer bout than the Doctor had gotten with Metal, and the mix of power corrupting his system, burning hatred, and a possible inferiority complex would eventually cause him to turn on his creator.



* Why did Eggman just use recreated versions of his old creations? He was not only saving his resources for the Death Egg Mk. 2, but ''distracting Sonic from his grand plans.'' If Sonic had known what Eggman was doing, he probably would have stopped that. He also [[{{CrazyPrepared}} planned ahead for bringing Metal Sonic Back from Little Planet once it returned, as well as using the planet as a battery for the Second Death Egg.]] In other words, Eggman was really far-thinking in terms of this plot.

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* Why did Eggman just use recreated versions of his old creations? He was not only saving his resources for the Death Egg Mk. 2, but ''distracting Sonic from his grand plans.'' If Sonic had known what Eggman was doing, he probably would have stopped that. He also [[{{CrazyPrepared}} [[CrazyPrepared planned ahead for bringing Metal Sonic Back back from Little Planet once it returned, as well as using the planet as a battery for the Second Death Egg.]] In other words, Eggman was really far-thinking in terms of this plot.






* Assuming the [[VideoGame/SonicTheHedgehogCD Stardust Speedway]] seen in the intro of ''[[VillainEpisode Episode Metal]]'' is canon to Sonic CD as well, it appears Sonic failed in saving the future of Stardust Speedway. [[FailureIsTheOnlyOption That, or Eggman took it over using the Little Planet's bizarre chronology once again]].

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* Assuming the [[VideoGame/SonicTheHedgehogCD Stardust Speedway]] seen in the intro of ''[[VillainEpisode Episode Metal]]'' is canon to Sonic CD ''Sonic CD'' as well, it appears Sonic failed in saving the future of Stardust Speedway. [[FailureIsTheOnlyOption That, or Eggman took it over using the Little Planet's bizarre chronology once again]].



*** Remember that the final BadFuture was a catastrophe for Robotnik himself - all his machines out of control, Eggmanland logos destroyed, and so on. Perhaps Sonic DID fail to prevent BadFuture on the Little Planet (and who can blame him?), but Robotnik was dissatisfied with its results and simply left the planet corrupted after being defeated by Sonic.

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*** Remember that the final BadFuture was a catastrophe for Robotnik himself - -- all his machines out of control, Eggmanland logos destroyed, and so on. Perhaps Sonic DID ''did'' fail to prevent BadFuture on the Little Planet (and [[GuideDangIt who can blame him?), him]]?), but Robotnik was dissatisfied with its results and simply left the planet corrupted after being defeated by Sonic.



* So, Sonic and Tails left [[spoiler:after destroying the Heart, without which the Death Egg supposedly deactivated. And that's all. It's still around the Little Planet, and Robotnik can probably reactivate it sooner or later, one way or another. Perhaps that's it - perhaps the poor planet will become the Doctor's main base to launch new offensive on Sonic's world in the future?]]
** I am pretty certain that was intended as a SequelHook to Episode III. Episode II's story is quite unfinished, and I strongly believe Episode III would've been set on the Little Planet, using ''VideoGame/SonicTheHedgehogCD'''s time travel mechanic, with Sonic finishing what he left incomplete in Episode II. Who knows? Maybe Stardust Speedway's Bad Future will also be replaced by the Good Future once again. Now that Episode III is canceled though, maybe it'll be saved for something bigger. Or not. The franchise is hitting a very rough spot right now.

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* So, Sonic and Tails left [[spoiler:after destroying the Heart, without which the Death Egg supposedly deactivated. And that's all. It's still around the Little Planet, and Robotnik can probably reactivate it sooner or later, one way or another. Perhaps that's it - perhaps the poor planet will become the Doctor's main base to launch a new offensive on Sonic's world in the future?]]
** I am pretty certain that was intended as a SequelHook to Episode III. Episode II's story is quite unfinished, and I strongly believe Episode III would've been set on the Little Planet, using ''VideoGame/SonicTheHedgehogCD'''s time travel mechanic, with Sonic finishing what he left incomplete in Episode II. Who knows? Maybe Stardust Speedway's Bad Future will also be replaced by the Good Future once again. Now that Episode III is canceled canceled, though, maybe it'll be saved for something bigger. Or not. The franchise is hitting a very rough spot right now.

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* Why did Eggman just use recreated versions of his old creations? He was not only saving his resources for the Deathe Egg MK 2, but ''distracting Sonic from his grand plans.'' If Sonic had known what Eggman was doing, he probably would have stopped that. He also [[{{CrazyPrepared}} planned ahead for bringing Metal Sonic Back from Little Planet once it returned, as well as using the planet as a battery for the Second Death Egg.]] In other words, Eggman was really far-thinking in terms of this plot.

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* Why did Eggman just use recreated versions of his old creations? He was not only saving his resources for the Deathe Death Egg MK Mk. 2, but ''distracting Sonic from his grand plans.'' If Sonic had known what Eggman was doing, he probably would have stopped that. He also [[{{CrazyPrepared}} planned ahead for bringing Metal Sonic Back from Little Planet once it returned, as well as using the planet as a battery for the Second Death Egg.]] In other words, Eggman was really far-thinking in terms of this plot.plot.
** This is even supported by the official website of Episode I, which stated that Eggman didn't give spikes to all Bubbles in order to cut costs.
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* So, Sonic and Tails left [[spoiler:after destroying the Heart, without which the Death Egg supposedly deactivated. And that's all. It's still around the Little Planet, and Robotnik can probably reactivate it sooner or later, one way or another. Perhaps that's it - perhaps the poor planet will become the Doctor's main base to launch new offensive on Sonic's world in the future?]]

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* So, Sonic and Tails left [[spoiler:after destroying the Heart, without which the Death Egg supposedly deactivated. And that's all. It's still around the Little Planet, and Robotnik can probably reactivate it sooner or later, one way or another. Perhaps that's it - perhaps the poor planet will become the Doctor's main base to launch new offensive on Sonic's world in the future?]]future?]]
** I am pretty certain that was intended as a SequelHook to Episode III. Episode II's story is quite unfinished, and I strongly believe Episode III would've been set on the Little Planet, using ''VideoGame/SonicTheHedgehogCD'''s time travel mechanic, with Sonic finishing what he left incomplete in Episode II. Who knows? Maybe Stardust Speedway's Bad Future will also be replaced by the Good Future once again. Now that Episode III is canceled though, maybe it'll be saved for something bigger. Or not. The franchise is hitting a very rough spot right now.
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* It was said that Episode 2 would bridge a gap between Metal Sonic's appearance in CD and explain how he showed up in Heroes. At first, you see no allusions to Heroes, but then you realize that this isn't meant to be a direct link; this is meant to set up Metal Sonic's slip into madness. The best technology at their disposal, the strongest mystical energy they can find without resorting to Chaos energy, all weaved into his chassis, and he still can't manage a fight with Sonic. Add in the fact that someone ''[[SonicAdventure2 even stronger than him]]'' showed up and allowed for such a close bout than the Doctor had gotten with Metal, and the mix of power corrupting his system, burning hatred, and a possible inferiority complex would eventually cause him to turn on his creator.

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* It was said that Episode 2 would bridge a gap between Metal Sonic's appearance in CD and explain how he showed up in Heroes. At first, you see no allusions to Heroes, but then you realize that this isn't meant to be a direct link; this is meant to set up Metal Sonic's slip into madness. The best technology at their disposal, the strongest mystical energy they can find without resorting to Chaos energy, all weaved into his chassis, and he still can't manage a fight with Sonic. Add in the fact that someone ''[[SonicAdventure2 ''[[VideoGame/SonicAdventure2 even stronger than him]]'' showed up and allowed for such a close bout than the Doctor had gotten with Metal, and the mix of power corrupting his system, burning hatred, and a possible inferiority complex would eventually cause him to turn on his creator.
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* Why did Eggman just use recreated versions of his old creations? He was not only saving his resources for the Deathe Egg MK 2, but ''distracting Sonic from his grand plans.'' If Sonic had known what Eggman was doing, he probably would have stopped that. He also [[{{CrazyPrepared}} planned ahead for bringing Metal Sonic Back from Little Planet once it returned, as well as using the planet as a battery for the Second Death Egg.]] In other words, Eggman was really far-thinking in terms of this plot.
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** There may be a closer link than you realize. Metal Sonic teams up with Eggman on the Death Egg and fails. Then he demands a race with Sonic at the end of that level. We don't know if Eggman sent him, or he [[{Determinator} shrugged off his damage and tried to take care of the Blue Blur on his own terms]].

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** There may be a closer link than you realize. Metal Sonic teams up with Eggman on the Death Egg and fails. Then he demands a race with Sonic at the end of that level. We don't know if Eggman sent him, or he [[{Determinator} [[{{Determinator}} shrugged off his the damage and tried to take care of the Blue Blur on his own terms]].
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** There may be a closer link than you realize. Metal Sonic teams up with Eggman on the Death Egg and fails. Then he demands a race with Sonic at the end of that level. We don't know if Eggman sent him, or he [[[[Determinator]] shrugged off his damage and tried to take care of the Blue Blur on his own terms]].

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** There may be a closer link than you realize. Metal Sonic teams up with Eggman on the Death Egg and fails. Then he demands a race with Sonic at the end of that level. We don't know if Eggman sent him, or he [[[[Determinator]] [[{Determinator} shrugged off his damage and tried to take care of the Blue Blur on his own terms]].
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** There may be a closer link than you realize. Metal Sonic teams up with Eggman on the Death Egg and fails. Then he demands a race with Sonic at the end of that level. We don't know if Eggman sent him, or he [[Determinator shrugged off his damage and tried to take care of the Blue Blur on his own terms]].

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** There may be a closer link than you realize. Metal Sonic teams up with Eggman on the Death Egg and fails. Then he demands a race with Sonic at the end of that level. We don't know if Eggman sent him, or he [[Determinator [[[[Determinator]] shrugged off his damage and tried to take care of the Blue Blur on his own terms]].
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** There may be a closer link than you realize. Metal Sonic teams up with Eggman on the Death Egg and fails. Then he demands a race with Sonic at the end of that level. We don't know if Eggman sent him, or he [[Determinator shrugged off his damage and tried to take care of the Blue Blur on his own terms]].

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* Regarding the OldSaveBonus, Episode Metal. [[RuleOfCool While the idea of Metal Sonic being playable is cool and all]]... Why the heck is he fighting his own boss? [[AIIsACrapshoot He didn't betray Eggman yet, did he]]?
** That would imply that he is fighting Eggman. We know nothing about the game except "Metal Sonic's playable! Weeee!"
*** The Episode Metal campaign has no boss fights.
*** And for all we know, the Badniks Metal Sonic faces could probably just be in his way, and Eggman [[BadBoss doesn't care what happens to them.]]
*** [[YouHaveFailedMe Well, those Badniks of his DID let the real Sonic get through them, so...]]
* Again, about Episode Metal... The trailer revealing it showed Metal Sonic, broken, in [[VideoGame/SonicTheHedgehogCD Stardust Speedway]] as he should be. There is one problem with this picture; Stardust Speedway is in its BadFuture. ''That is contradictory to what actually happened'' in ''[[VideoGame/SonicTheHedgehogCD Sonic CD]]'', is it not?
** It's never really been said which ending to Sonic CD is canon. In fact, the entire purpose of Episode 2 is to show where CD fits in.
*** Besides, VideoGame/SonicTheHedgehog2006 was supposed to have been erased from the timeline, and yet Crisis City still made it into VideoGame/SonicGenerations. Granted, the events of that game was due to [[spoiler:the two Eggmen messing with time]], but still.
** Maybe Sonic opted to collect the Time Stones rather than changing the futures of each individual act and didn't get the last one until some point in Metallic Madness? In that case, all of Eggman's changes would be retroactively undone. This still works with Episode Metal as it's implied that Robotnik was reaching through time to retrieve Metal Sonic. He probably snatched Metal up not too long after his battle, but not have done it until after Sonic 2, and 3&K.
*** [[ThatOneLevel Then how did he get 50 rings in Metallic Madness]]?
**** Likely, he got 'em because Sonic is a {{badass}} that probably managed it, [[GameplayAndStorySegregation regardless of what the players actually did]].
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*** Remember that the final BadFuture was a catastrophe for Robotnik himself - all his machines out of control, Eggmanland logos destroyed, and so on. Perhaps Sonic DID fail to prevent BadFuture on the Little Planet (and who can blame him?), but Robotnik was dissatisfied with its results and simply left the planet corrupted after being defeated by Sonic.



** Relax. [[NoOneShouldSurviveThat He'll be fine a game later]].

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** Relax. [[NoOneShouldSurviveThat He'll be fine a game later]].later]].
* So, Sonic and Tails left [[spoiler:after destroying the Heart, without which the Death Egg supposedly deactivated. And that's all. It's still around the Little Planet, and Robotnik can probably reactivate it sooner or later, one way or another. Perhaps that's it - perhaps the poor planet will become the Doctor's main base to launch new offensive on Sonic's world in the future?]]
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* So, in Ep. 2, Sonic and Tails [[spoiler:got onto the Death Egg in a single pod]], right? But when they [[spoiler:left, they took two. [[BigBad Who]] did that second pod belong to, I wonder]]?

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* So, in Ep. 2, Sonic and Tails [[spoiler:got onto the Death Egg in a single pod]], right? But when they [[spoiler:left, they took two. [[BigBad Who]] did that second pod belong to, I wonder]]?wonder]]?
** Relax. [[NoOneShouldSurviveThat He'll be fine a game later]].
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* It was said that Episode 2 would bridge a gap between Metal Sonic's appearence in CD and explain how he showed up in Heroes. At first, you see no allusions to Heroes, but then you realize that this isn't meant to be a direct link; this is meant to set up Metal Sonic's slip into madness. The best technology at their disposal, the strongest mystical energy they can find without resorting to Chaos energy, all weaved into his chassis, and he still can't manage a fight with Sonic. Add in the fact that someone ''[[SonicAdventure2 even stronger than him]]'' showed up and allowed for such a close bout than the Doctor had gotten with Metal, and the mix of power corrupting his system, burning hatred, and a possible inferiority complex would eventually cause him to turn on his creator.

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* It was said that Episode 2 would bridge a gap between Metal Sonic's appearence appearance in CD and explain how he showed up in Heroes. At first, you see no allusions to Heroes, but then you realize that this isn't meant to be a direct link; this is meant to set up Metal Sonic's slip into madness. The best technology at their disposal, the strongest mystical energy they can find without resorting to Chaos energy, all weaved into his chassis, and he still can't manage a fight with Sonic. Add in the fact that someone ''[[SonicAdventure2 even stronger than him]]'' showed up and allowed for such a close bout than the Doctor had gotten with Metal, and the mix of power corrupting his system, burning hatred, and a possible inferiority complex would eventually cause him to turn on his creator.

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