History Fridge / RememberMe

* In a way, [[spoiler: Nilin remixed Charles' memories to what ''really'' happened. Nilin may not have died physically the day he tested the ability to remix memory, but in a way, the little girl she was ''[[ThatManIsDead did]]'' [[ThatManIsDead die a long time ago]]. Specifically, the woman who was supposed to be borne of learning and growing from her mistake died when Charles instead made Nilin the kind of person who ran from her mistakes.]]

* In a way, [[spoiler: Nilin remixed Charles' memories to what ''really'' happened. Nilin may not have died physically the day he tested the ability to remix memory, but in a way, the little girl she was ''[[ThatManIsDead did]]'' [[ThatManIsDead die a long time ago]].]]

* This was probably never meant to be a point in the game but [[spoiler: Scylla]] seems delusional from the very beginning. [[spoiler: The car crash was NEVER Nillin's fault. Scylla calmed her and told her never to do such a thing again and then turned around to the back seats, completely missing traffic lights. Nillin wasn't misbehaving at that moment and Scylla completely stopped paying attention to the traffic so Nillin just wasn't responsible. Even if she was screaming from the top of her lungs, Scylla is an adult driving a car for God's sake, you just don't drive a car being oblivious to everything on the road. She must have had put a lot of effort into blaming the whole thing on a kid (she even makes a point out of never forgetting the event).]]
** [[spoiler: Most people don't put effort into blaming things, it's just how they process the situation. A disproportionate amount, maybe, being that Nilin was a kid, but she was still too old to be having a complete meltdown over a toy, and Scylla had to turn around because Nilin was about to get herself hurt (ironically). Under normal circumstances it would be the kind of thing that everybody just feels bad about and goes on about their lives, but Scylla lost her entire leg in that crash. Advanced sci-fi tech or not, that's still months, years of rehabilitation and chronic pain that she had to go through because her bratty kid was throwing a tantrum. She couldn't get over it and based on what we know about Nilin (namely the part where she's selfish, doesn't think before she acts, and is perfectly fine to dodge the consequences of her actions whenever possible), that's just part of her personality. It's messed up to hold a grudge against a kid, but saying Nilin had no fault in the accident isn't right either.]]
*** [[spoiler:Scylla took her eyes off the road when approaching a light at high speeds in the rain, to talk to a kid who had already quieted down. We know how Nilin is ''now'', after the accident, being blamed for her mother's injury, and presumably years of parental neglect on Scylla's part. The only real difference between the remixed and real memories is that the reason Scylla chose not to pay attention changed.]]
*** Well, yeah. [[spoiler: Nilin had unbuckled herself and Scylla reacted accordingly out of fear that Nilin would get hurt, she didn't consciously decide that the road was the less important issue at hand. That's ''why'' the reason for her distraction has to change: the only way to make the event turn out "correctly" is to make Scylla think she was just being sloppy and irresponsible (which she isn't, she's methodical and precise to the point of outright villainy) while Nilin was being a little angel in the back seat (which she absolutely wasn't). There are a lot of ways the story could have been resolved, but since Nilin is making all the decisions in that scene, what we get is yet another trip down wrong-memory lane where Nilin happily erases her bad behavior so that someone else can take the blame and make her own life easier. Again, Scylla's reactions are pretty extreme, but considering that, the accident caused her a literal lifetime of pain while her daughter clearly never grew out of her selfish squalling phase until long after she became an adult and joined a terrorist organization.]]
*** [[spoiler:"Unconscious" irresponsibility is still irresponsibility. If being "methodical" requires '''taking your eyes off the road''' in wet conditions ''after'' the light clearly turns yellow just to lecture your secured daughter [[note]]who is not only rebuckled, but the child locks are engaged[[/note]], you have a ''really'' bad method. Scylla literally evil-monologues about how she's going to profit off of people's suffering, even though she's ''already'' absurdly rich and powerful. Adult Nilin being just as morally-questionable as she's been the entire game doesn't ''retroactively'' make Lil' Nil' at fault for being an excited 5-year old who was, gasp, ''sniffling''. I think you need to [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsDPMqNyd8A rewatch that sequence]]. Especially the part where Scylla has the parts of the car preserved and sitting in her office, like some sort of modern art. She is going far, ''far'' out of her way to keep mementos of her pain.]]

*** [[spoiler: Ah - not ''quite'' true. There's a passing mention in a news broadcast after you remix Olga about an explosion on the hospital ship where he was staying. So David most likely is dead... because ''Olga killed him.'']]
*** Well, [[spoiler:assuming he is alive somehow, Nilin can probably "fix" him, with help from her dad, and restore Olga's real memories.]]
*** She could, but she wouldn't. [[spoiler: It just means Olga will remember how much money Nilin's head is worth, and she's not going to be happy that Nilin remixed her in the first place. Nilin is pretty okay with using the remix ability to dodge the consequences of her own actions at the best of times; she never even acknowledges that what she did to Olga was wrong.]]
*** Who says that David Sedova is dead? It's entirely possible that [[spoiler:Dr. Quaid took him to the Bastille and made him into a Reconversion Leaper.]]

*** That's absolutely not true. [[spoiler: We know this because as soon as Nilin edits her memory to remove her role in the crash, Scylla immediately takes responsibility for it. She genuinely blamed Nilin for being a spoiled brat; if she didn't, the remix wouldn't have helped because it wouldn't have changed anything. If she was only blaming Nilin to avoid blaming herself, she would have found an excuse to do it no matter how she remembered the crash. Your mileage may vary on whether you personally think Nilin was responsible or not, but Scylla meant it.]]
*** [[So she accepted responsibility - after someone ''forced'' her to by MindRape. First words out of her mouth after the crash were not some variant of "are you okay, Nilin", but "it's your fault, Nilin". I don't think you're actually rebutting the original point. Also, Scylla took her eyes off the road, in bad conditions, ''after'' the light turned yellow. It was her fault.]]

*** Well, yeah. [[spoiler: Nilin had unbuckled herself and Scylla reacted accordingly out of fear that Nilin would get hurt, she didn't consciously decide that the road was the less important issue at hand. That's ''why'' the reason for her distraction has to change: the only way to make the event turn out "correctly" is to make Scylla think she was just being sloppy and irresponsible (which she isn't, she's methodical and precise to the point of outright villainy) while Nilin was being a little angel in the back seat (which she absolutely wasn't). There are a lot of ways the story could have been resolved, but since Nilin is making all the decisions in that scene, what we get is yet another trip down wrong-memory lane where Nilin happily erases her bad behavior so that someone else can take the blame and make her own life easier. Again, Scylla's reactions are pretty extreme, but considering that, the accident caused her a literal lifetime of pain while her daughter clearly never grew out of her selfish squalling phase until long after she became an adult and joined a terrorist organization.]]
*** [[spoiler:"Unconscious" irresponsibility is still irresponsibility. If being "methodical" requires '''taking your eyes off the road''' at high speeds in wet conditions ''after'' the light clearly turns yellow just to lecture your secured daughter [[note]]who is not only rebuckled, but the child locks are engaged[[/note]], you have a ''really'' bad method. Adult Nilin being just as morally-questionable as she's been the entire game doesn't ''retroactively'' make Lil' Nil' at fault for being an excited 5-year old who was, gasp, ''sniffling''. I think you need to [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsDPMqNyd8A rewatch that sequence]].]]

*** [[spoiler: Ah - not ''quite'' true. There's a passing mention in a news broadcast after you remix Olga about an explosion on the hospital ship where he was staying. So David most likely is dead... because ''Olga killed him.'']]
*** Well, [[spoiler:assuming he is alive somehow, Nilin can probably "fix" him, with help from her dad, and restore Olga's real memories.]]
*** She could, but she wouldn't. [[spoiler: It just means Olga will remember how much money Nilin's head is worth, and she's not going to be happy that Nilin remixed her in the first place. Nilin is pretty okay with using the remix ability to dodge the consequences of her own actions at the best of times; she never even acknowledges that what she did to Olga was wrong.]]
*** Who says that David Sedova is dead? It's entirely possible that [[spoiler:Dr. Quaid took him to the Bastille and made him into a Reconversion Leaper.]]

*** That's absolutely not true. [[spoiler: We know this because as soon as Nilin edits her memory to remove her role in the crash, Scylla immediately takes responsibility for it. She genuinely blamed Nilin for being a spoiled brat; if she didn't, the remix wouldn't have helped because it wouldn't have changed anything. If she was only blaming Nilin to avoid blaming herself, she would have found an excuse to do it no matter how she remembered the crash. Your mileage may vary on whether you personally think Nilin was responsible or not, but Scylla meant it.]]
*** [[So she accepted responsibility - after someone ''forced'' her to by MindRape. First words out of her mouth after the crash were not some variant of "are you okay, Nilin", but "it's your fault, Nilin". I don't think you're actually rebutting the original point. Also, Scylla took her eyes off the road, in bad conditions, ''after'' the light turned yellow. It was her fault.]]

*** Well, yeah. [[spoiler: Nilin had unbuckled herself and Scylla reacted accordingly out of fear that Nilin would get hurt, she didn't consciously decide that the road was the less important issue at hand. That's ''why'' the reason for her distraction has to change: the only way to make the event turn out "correctly" is to make Scylla think she was just being sloppy and irresponsible (which she isn't, she's methodical and precise to the point of outright villainy) while Nilin was being a little angel in the back seat (which she absolutely wasn't). There are a lot of ways the story could have been resolved, but since Nilin is making all the decisions in that scene, what we get is yet another trip down wrong-memory lane where Nilin happily erases her bad behavior so that someone else can take the blame and make her own life easier. Again, Scylla's reactions are pretty extreme, but considering that, the accident caused her a literal lifetime of pain while her daughter clearly never grew out of her selfish squalling phase until long after she became an adult and joined a terrorist organization.]]