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* Tony Stark can not provide help to Parker because he's a fugitive criminal, so he transferred some millions to Jarvis' account, so that he can help instead. Problem is, Stark does not commit a crime, but asks instead Jarvis to commit a crime for him. And it would be ultimately useless: if Jarvis is caught and all this is taken to the courts, it would be noticed that he can not get that ammount of money from his work, and that he got that money transfer shortly before. A textbook example of a strawperson. And who can possibly be the mastermind of the crime? Even if Stark managed to make the transfer untreaceable, all red flags point to him. He has the personal link, the wealth and the reasons to do it. Heck, even the fact itself that the transfer was made untreaceable would be suspicious, and he also has the expertise to make it.

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* Tony Stark can not provide help to Parker because he's a fugitive criminal, so he transferred some millions to Jarvis' account, so that he can help instead. Problem is, Stark does not commit a crime, but asks instead Jarvis to commit a crime for him. And it would be ultimately useless: if Jarvis is caught and all this is taken to the courts, it would be noticed that he can not get that ammount amount of money from his work, and that he got that money transfer shortly before. A textbook example of a strawperson. And who can possibly be the mastermind of the crime? Even if Stark managed to make the transfer untreaceable, all red flags point to him. He has the personal link, the wealth and the reasons to do it. Heck, even the fact itself that the transfer was made untreaceable would be suspicious, and he also has the expertise to make it.
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* Tony Stark can not provide help to Parker because he's a fugitive criminal, so he transferred some millions to Jarvis' account, so that he can help instead. Problem is, Stark does not commit a crime, but asks instead Jarvis to commit a crime for him. And it would be ultimately useless: if Jarvis is caught and all this is taken to the courts, it would be noticed that he can not get that ammount of money from his work, and that he got that money transfer shortly before. A textbok example of a strawperson. And who can possibly be the mastermind of the crime? Even if Stark managed to make the transfer untreaceable, all red flags point to him. He has the personal link, the wealth and the reasons to do it. Heck, even the fact itself that the transfer was made untreaceable would be suspicious, and he also has the expertise to make it.

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* Tony Stark can not provide help to Parker because he's a fugitive criminal, so he transferred some millions to Jarvis' account, so that he can help instead. Problem is, Stark does not commit a crime, but asks instead Jarvis to commit a crime for him. And it would be ultimately useless: if Jarvis is caught and all this is taken to the courts, it would be noticed that he can not get that ammount of money from his work, and that he got that money transfer shortly before. A textbok textbook example of a strawperson. And who can possibly be the mastermind of the crime? Even if Stark managed to make the transfer untreaceable, all red flags point to him. He has the personal link, the wealth and the reasons to do it. Heck, even the fact itself that the transfer was made untreaceable would be suspicious, and he also has the expertise to make it.
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** Of course, it could be considered a subversion since Mephisto's terrifying victory over {{God}} is....breaking up the marriage of two comic book characters. Temporarily. As diabolical schemes go that is....lame. Really lame. Especially since, according to ''[[=OMIT=]]'', it didn't even work. One would think the millions of souls he has ensnared into {{Hell}} or the countless lives he has ended or ruined would be more offensive to the Almighty...but nope. It's an annulment.

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** Of course, it could be considered a subversion since Mephisto's terrifying victory over {{God}} is....breaking up the marriage of two comic book characters. Temporarily. As diabolical schemes go that is....lame. Really lame. Especially since, according to ''[[=OMIT=]]'', ''[=OMIT=]'', it didn't even work. One would think the millions of souls he has ensnared into {{Hell}} or the countless lives he has ended or ruined would be more offensive to the Almighty...but nope. It's an annulment.
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* Peter Parker and Mary Jane were also a couple in ''ComicBook/UltimateSpiderMan'' (teenagers, but a couple). As Peter had already died and replaced by ComicBook/MilesMorales, OMD did not extend to that comic. That relation had already ended, didn't it? Not quite: in one of the last arcs of the comic it was revealed that Peter was NotQuiteDead, and ran away with Mary Jane (and, incidentally, it was eventually revealed that the universe survived the secret wars). Meaning, that in the ComicBook/UltimateMarvel universe, Peter Parker and Mary Jane lived happily ever after, and not even death could keep them apart. Right under Quesada's watch. And the funny part, it was Quesada's own idea to hire Creator/BrianMichaelBendis and start the Ultimate Marvel universe to begin with.
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** Wait, so God hates OMD just as much as we do? I call that Fridge COMFORT! Hallelujah, we've found evidence of a benevolent deity!
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* Although a bit of a meta example, while reading the [[MilestoneCelebration 25th anniversary issue]] of SelfParody series ''Spider-Ham'', you'll notice the animal version of MJ is ''Mary Crane Watson'', but one page later, among the [[FloatingHeadSyndrome heads]] showing characters in the Spider-Ham universe ("Larval Earth" or "Earth-8311", for those curious), you get to see former MJ counterpart ''Mary Jane Waterbuffalo''. Then you remember ComicBook/OneMoreDay and you remember the reason for such a change.

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* Although a bit of a meta example, while reading the [[MilestoneCelebration 25th anniversary issue]] of SelfParody series ''Spider-Ham'', you'll notice the animal version of MJ is ''Mary Crane Watson'', but one page later, among the [[FloatingHeadSyndrome heads]] showing characters in the Spider-Ham ComicBook/SpiderHam universe ("Larval Earth" or "Earth-8311", for those curious), you get to see former MJ counterpart ''Mary Jane Waterbuffalo''. Then you remember ComicBook/OneMoreDay and you remember the reason for such a change.
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* Since ''OMIT'' basically says that Mary Jane scammed Mephisto, this creates a little FridgeHorror. Many comic fans can tell you that Mephisto's BerserkButton is getting cheated out of his deals. He has a tendency to take horrible, ''horrible'' revenge on someone who screwed him out of what he wanted. In other words, some horrible, painful event in Mary Jane's life was probably caused by Mephisto taking RevengeByProxy on her.

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* Since ''OMIT'' basically says that Mary Jane scammed Mephisto, this creates a little FridgeHorror. Many comic fans can tell you that Mephisto's BerserkButton is getting cheated out of his deals. He has a tendency to take horrible, ''horrible'' revenge on someone who screwed him out of what he wanted. In other words, some horrible, painful event in Mary Jane's life was probably caused by Mephisto taking RevengeByProxy on her.her.
* Tony Stark can not provide help to Parker because he's a fugitive criminal, so he transferred some millions to Jarvis' account, so that he can help instead. Problem is, Stark does not commit a crime, but asks instead Jarvis to commit a crime for him. And it would be ultimately useless: if Jarvis is caught and all this is taken to the courts, it would be noticed that he can not get that ammount of money from his work, and that he got that money transfer shortly before. A textbok example of a strawperson. And who can possibly be the mastermind of the crime? Even if Stark managed to make the transfer untreaceable, all red flags point to him. He has the personal link, the wealth and the reasons to do it. Heck, even the fact itself that the transfer was made untreaceable would be suspicious, and he also has the expertise to make it.
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* Since ''OMIT'' basically says that Mary Jane scammed Mephisto, this creates a little FridgeHorror. Many comic fans can tell you that Mephisto's BerserkButton is getting cheated out of his deals. He has a tendency to take horrible, ''horrible'' revenge on someone who screwed him out of what he wanted. In other words, some horrible, painful event in Mary Jane's life was probably caused by Mephisto taking RevengeByProxy on her.

* FridgeLogic: If he was desperate enough to do a DealWithTheDevil, why didn't he just try to strike a deal with Iron Man, or at least accept his money?
** For that matter, why didn't he make a deal with Doctor Doom at that point? For all that Doom is a villain, he can relate with desperately wanting to save someone you hold dear, given how he went out of his way to save his mom from Mephisto. In fact, Doom would have been the very ''first'' person to warn Peter against making any sort of deals with Mephisto, because they are never as clear cut as he presents them, while Doom at least always exposes clearly what he offers and what he expects in return. But no, Peter dismissed the idea because of Doom being 'evil'. As opposed to, you know, Mephisto the Boy Scout.
*** Doctor Doom also murdered his own girlfriend, made a magical costume out of her ''skin'', and sold ''her'' soul to a trio of demons, demons who ''served Mephisto''. In a story where he did ''not'' make clear what deals he was offering (twice - the girlfriend thought he was wanting to get back together with her; the ComicBook/FantasticFour thought he was going to release their child from Hell if they surrendered.) And he doesn't especially like Spiderman, who foils his plans regularly and is good buddies of the man he hates most in the world. As you can guess, he probably shouldn't have bargained with Doom.
*** Actually Spiderman did try bargaining with him, but he and everybody else Dr. Strange let him visit said they couldn't do anything. This brings a whole new level of dumb. Spiderman goes to Dr. Strange, Reed Richards, ComicBook/BlackPanther, Dr. Octopus, Hank Pyme, and Dr. Doom, and none of them can heal a simple bullet wound despite technology they have access to, or vast magical powers in Strange's case to the point where he at times has been criticized as a DeusExMachina. As for Doom's dislike of Spidey, he probably ''would'' have made an effort to save Aunt May if Spidey had thougth to tell him, "Reed Richards admitted that he was incapable of doing this. So I came to you." Doom's done things like that in the past, just to prove he's better.
*** Actually, given that healing Aunt May would give Doom a chance to simultaneously show up both Reed Richards and Mephisto, who are Doom's #1 and #2 most hated entities in all of Marvel, you'd think he'd quite cheerfully break the space-time continuum trying.
*** He explicitly saved Reed's child to show up Reed (with the only part of the bargain being that he got to name the son so Reed could never forget it). If he's willing to do that for his hated enemy, I think he'd do the same for Spidey
** Also, at what point in the creative process for the story was the idea "Time-traveling supervillain" ''not accepted?'' Seriously, if you want to do this kind of story fine, but for cryin' out loud, goofy ideas ''are'' better than mind-numbingly bad ones.
*** This option actually ''had'' a valid reason not to work. Time travel in Marvel Universe doesn't change history ([[YouAlreadyChangedThePast unless it's a part of it]]) it simply creates an AlternateUniverse. For same reason Peter couldn't simply go back in time and save aunt May. In cases when time travel ''does'' change the present (don't know why) it usually threatens to cause the end of the world and so has to be reversed ASAP. [[TimeyWimeyBall Or at least that's how it worked]].
*** Actually, there are two people known to have invented a time travel method that avoids the 'many-worlds' problem and lets you actually change the main timeline, and ever since the Time Variance Authority was taken out of action again nothing stops them from using it (except each other, which is why they mostly don't). Of course, since these two people are (who didn't see this coming?) Reed Richards and Victor von Doom, we're right back to the original Headscratchers.
* Elixir is a mutant who has brought people back from the literal edge of death before--he healed someone after their heart was torn out, an instantly fatal event, and they were ''fine and dandy'' afterwards. He couldn't heal Aunt May. Her injury? A sucking gunshot wound. So let us recap: a man with virtually omnipotent healing power, who can '''rewrite DNA at a distance''' and who brought another character back from an instantly fatal attack, an Omega Level mutant on par with Jean Grey in his particular field...was unable to repair the cellular damage (inconsequential damage by comparison) caused by a simple human gun. Mind you, even Angel, a much, much less powerful healer, was able to bring Jubilee back from the brink when she was '''crucified''' by the Church of Humanity. And compared to Elixir, Angel's healing power is basically a fresh bandaid. "Lol wut" doesn't even begin to cover it man.
** On top of Elixir and Angel (and Lifeguard and Darwin and a few others) after the Decimation the X-Men put together an entire team of super scientists all of whose field of study is the human body. Additionally, Beast was able to quickly contact a dozen or so super villains for whom fixing a bullet wound would have been almost no effort (Sugarman, Dark Beast, Mojo, Spiral, Mr. Sinister, ect.).

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* Since ''OMIT'' basically says that Mary Jane scammed Mephisto, this creates a little FridgeHorror. Many comic fans can tell you that Mephisto's BerserkButton is getting cheated out of his deals. He has a tendency to take horrible, ''horrible'' revenge on someone who screwed him out of what he wanted. In other words, some horrible, painful event in Mary Jane's life was probably caused by Mephisto taking RevengeByProxy on her.

* FridgeLogic: If he was desperate enough to do a DealWithTheDevil, why didn't he just try to strike a deal with Iron Man, or at least accept his money?
** For that matter, why didn't he make a deal with Doctor Doom at that point? For all that Doom is a villain, he can relate with desperately wanting to save someone you hold dear, given how he went out of his way to save his mom from Mephisto. In fact, Doom would have been the very ''first'' person to warn Peter against making any sort of deals with Mephisto, because they are never as clear cut as he presents them, while Doom at least always exposes clearly what he offers and what he expects in return. But no, Peter dismissed the idea because of Doom being 'evil'. As opposed to, you know, Mephisto the Boy Scout.
*** Doctor Doom also murdered his own girlfriend, made a magical costume out of her ''skin'', and sold ''her'' soul to a trio of demons, demons who ''served Mephisto''. In a story where he did ''not'' make clear what deals he was offering (twice - the girlfriend thought he was wanting to get back together with her; the ComicBook/FantasticFour thought he was going to release their child from Hell if they surrendered.) And he doesn't especially like Spiderman, who foils his plans regularly and is good buddies of the man he hates most in the world. As you can guess, he probably shouldn't have bargained with Doom.
*** Actually Spiderman did try bargaining with him, but he and everybody else Dr. Strange let him visit said they couldn't do anything. This brings a whole new level of dumb. Spiderman goes to Dr. Strange, Reed Richards, ComicBook/BlackPanther, Dr. Octopus, Hank Pyme, and Dr. Doom, and none of them can heal a simple bullet wound despite technology they have access to, or vast magical powers in Strange's case to the point where he at times has been criticized as a DeusExMachina. As for Doom's dislike of Spidey, he probably ''would'' have made an effort to save Aunt May if Spidey had thougth to tell him, "Reed Richards admitted that he was incapable of doing this. So I came to you." Doom's done things like that in the past, just to prove he's better.
*** Actually, given that healing Aunt May would give Doom a chance to simultaneously show up both Reed Richards and Mephisto, who are Doom's #1 and #2 most hated entities in all of Marvel, you'd think he'd quite cheerfully break the space-time continuum trying.
*** He explicitly saved Reed's child to show up Reed (with the only part of the bargain being that he got to name the son so Reed could never forget it). If he's willing to do that for his hated enemy, I think he'd do the same for Spidey
** Also, at what point in the creative process for the story was the idea "Time-traveling supervillain" ''not accepted?'' Seriously, if you want to do this kind of story fine, but for cryin' out loud, goofy ideas ''are'' better than mind-numbingly bad ones.
*** This option actually ''had'' a valid reason not to work. Time travel in Marvel Universe doesn't change history ([[YouAlreadyChangedThePast unless it's a part of it]]) it simply creates an AlternateUniverse. For same reason Peter couldn't simply go back in time and save aunt May. In cases when time travel ''does'' change the present (don't know why) it usually threatens to cause the end of the world and so has to be reversed ASAP. [[TimeyWimeyBall Or at least that's how it worked]].
*** Actually, there are two people known to have invented a time travel method that avoids the 'many-worlds' problem and lets you actually change the main timeline, and ever since the Time Variance Authority was taken out of action again nothing stops them from using it (except each other, which is why they mostly don't). Of course, since these two people are (who didn't see this coming?) Reed Richards and Victor von Doom, we're right back to the original Headscratchers.
* Elixir is a mutant who has brought people back from the literal edge of death before--he healed someone after their heart was torn out, an instantly fatal event, and they were ''fine and dandy'' afterwards. He couldn't heal Aunt May. Her injury? A sucking gunshot wound. So let us recap: a man with virtually omnipotent healing power, who can '''rewrite DNA at a distance''' and who brought another character back from an instantly fatal attack, an Omega Level mutant on par with Jean Grey in his particular field...was unable to repair the cellular damage (inconsequential damage by comparison) caused by a simple human gun. Mind you, even Angel, a much, much less powerful healer, was able to bring Jubilee back from the brink when she was '''crucified''' by the Church of Humanity. And compared to Elixir, Angel's healing power is basically a fresh bandaid. "Lol wut" doesn't even begin to cover it man.
** On top of Elixir and Angel (and Lifeguard and Darwin and a few others) after the Decimation the X-Men put together an entire team of super scientists all of whose field of study is the human body. Additionally, Beast was able to quickly contact a dozen or so super villains for whom fixing a bullet wound would have been almost no effort (Sugarman, Dark Beast, Mojo, Spiral, Mr. Sinister, ect.).
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* Mephisto's MotiveRant contains a bit about how Peter's marriage was "blessed in the eyes of Him" or some other pseudo-religious wording, and it would be a sweet victory for Mephisto to successfully steal something from the One-Above-All. Which, y'know, makes sense: he's basically {{Satan}}. The problem? The One-Above-All is, according to supposed canon, not just an {{expy}} or CaptainErsatz of the Abrahamic {{God}} but ''actually the same literal person in a different universe''. And Mephisto's plan to steal Spidey's marriage from him ''succeeds''. He didn't just one-up the God of ''his'' universe; he one-upped the {{God}} of ''[[TheFourthWallWillNotProtectYou ours]]''. Joe Quesada has created a comic that gives Christian/Jewish/vaguely-non-denominational-borderline-monotheistic children everywhere in RealLife the message "your God is fallible and can be beaten by a comic-book villain from another universe". And, despite living in a world where political correctness and cultural sensitivity are more common than ever so far he's more-or-less ''got away with that''.

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* Mephisto's MotiveRant contains a bit about how Peter's marriage was "blessed in the eyes of Him" or some other pseudo-religious wording, and it would be a sweet victory for Mephisto to successfully steal something from the One-Above-All. Which, y'know, makes sense: he's basically {{Satan}}. The problem? The One-Above-All is, according to supposed canon, not just an {{expy}} or CaptainErsatz of the Abrahamic {{God}} but ''actually the same literal person being in a different universe''. And Mephisto's plan to steal Spidey's marriage from him ''succeeds''. He didn't just one-up the God of ''his'' universe; he one-upped the {{God}} of ''[[TheFourthWallWillNotProtectYou ours]]''. Joe Quesada has created a comic that gives Christian/Jewish/vaguely-non-denominational-borderline-monotheistic children everywhere in RealLife the message "your God is fallible and can be beaten by a comic-book villain from another universe". And, despite living in a world where political correctness and cultural sensitivity are more common than ever so far he's more-or-less ''got away with that''.
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*** DoctorDoom also murdered his own girlfriend, made a magical costume out of her ''skin'', and sold ''her'' soul to a trio of demons, demons who ''served Mephisto''. In a story where he did ''not'' make clear what deals he was offering (twice - the girlfriend thought he was wanting to get back together with her; the ComicBook/FantasticFour thought he was going to release their child from Hell if they surrendered.) And he doesn't especially like Spiderman, who foils his plans regularly and is good buddies of the man he hates most in the world. As you can guess, he probably shouldn't have bargained with Doom.

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*** DoctorDoom Doctor Doom also murdered his own girlfriend, made a magical costume out of her ''skin'', and sold ''her'' soul to a trio of demons, demons who ''served Mephisto''. In a story where he did ''not'' make clear what deals he was offering (twice - the girlfriend thought he was wanting to get back together with her; the ComicBook/FantasticFour thought he was going to release their child from Hell if they surrendered.) And he doesn't especially like Spiderman, who foils his plans regularly and is good buddies of the man he hates most in the world. As you can guess, he probably shouldn't have bargained with Doom.
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* OneMoreDay: Yes, even though it was clearly contrived by the writers to get rid of the marriage (and therefore probably unintentional that it's there), Mephisto's "no soul" deal made sense-what happens every time he takes a hero's soul? A) Other heroes get it back, or B), Like with "pure" characters such as ComicBook/TheMightyThor or the ComicBook/SilverSurfer (and maybe Spider-Man had that deal been made instead) he ''can't'' take the soul anyway because it's so pure it burns. He would have lost.

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* OneMoreDay: Yes, even though it was clearly contrived by the writers to get rid of the marriage (and therefore probably unintentional that it's there), Mephisto's "no soul" deal made sense-what happens every time he takes a hero's soul? A) Other heroes get it back, or B), Like with "pure" characters such as ComicBook/TheMightyThor or the ComicBook/SilverSurfer (and maybe Spider-Man had that deal been made instead) he ''can't'' take the soul anyway because it's so pure it burns. He would have lost.



* I hate OneMoreDay as much as the next Spidey fan but in Issue #500 Spider-Man has a vision of the future where he is wanted by the police and shot dead near Aunt May's ''grave.'' It's possible that Spider-Man remembers that and figures if Aunt May doesn't die, he'll never do whatever the hell he did to piss off the cops.
* There was a moment of Brilliance for me regarding ''OneMoreDay'', of all things. Taking out the DealWithTheDevil and 'magic retcon' thing, the SadisticChoice presented is MJ (Spidey's future) or Aunt May (his past). The clincher is that it's his ''past,'' namely the death of Uncle Ben, that made him who he is. The whole [[ComesGreatResponsibility 'power-responsibility']] schtick pretty much mandates that Peter always be beholden to his origin...he'll always carry the guilt around of [[DeathByOriginStory inadvertently letting Uncle Ben die.]] Aunt May pretty much ''exists'' to remind him of that. Is choosing to cling to the failures of his past healthy, or mentally sound? No. Is it consistent with the psychology of someone who was deeply traumatized by the previous untimely death of a family member? That's a dicier question.~Tropers/{{Ingonyama}}
* Although a bit of a meta example, while reading the [[MilestoneCelebration 25th anniversary issue]] of SelfParody series ''Spider-Ham'', you'll notice the animal version of MJ is ''Mary Crane Watson'', but one page later, among the [[FloatingHeadSyndrome heads]] showing characters in the Spider-Ham universe ("Larval Earth" or "Earth-8311", for those curious), you get to see former MJ counterpart ''Mary Jane Waterbuffalo''. Then you remember OneMoreDay and you remember the reason for such a change.

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* I hate OneMoreDay ComicBook/OneMoreDay as much as the next Spidey fan but in Issue #500 Spider-Man has a vision of the future where he is wanted by the police and shot dead near Aunt May's ''grave.'' It's possible that Spider-Man remembers that and figures if Aunt May doesn't die, he'll never do whatever the hell he did to piss off the cops.
* There was a moment of Brilliance for me regarding ''OneMoreDay'', of all things. Taking out the DealWithTheDevil and 'magic retcon' thing, the SadisticChoice presented is MJ (Spidey's future) or Aunt May (his past). The clincher is that it's his ''past,'' namely the death of Uncle Ben, that made him who he is. The whole [[ComesGreatResponsibility 'power-responsibility']] schtick pretty much mandates that Peter always be beholden to his origin...he'll always carry the guilt around of [[DeathByOriginStory inadvertently letting Uncle Ben die.]] Aunt May pretty much ''exists'' to remind him of that. Is choosing to cling to the failures of his past healthy, or mentally sound? No. Is it consistent with the psychology of someone who was deeply traumatized by the previous untimely death of a family member? That's a dicier question.~Tropers/{{Ingonyama}}
* Although a bit of a meta example, while reading the [[MilestoneCelebration 25th anniversary issue]] of SelfParody series ''Spider-Ham'', you'll notice the animal version of MJ is ''Mary Crane Watson'', but one page later, among the [[FloatingHeadSyndrome heads]] showing characters in the Spider-Ham universe ("Larval Earth" or "Earth-8311", for those curious), you get to see former MJ counterpart ''Mary Jane Waterbuffalo''. Then you remember OneMoreDay ComicBook/OneMoreDay and you remember the reason for such a change.

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