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** Not to mention the ones who were drugged ''forcibly'' by would-be date rapists, kidnappers who incapacitate their captives, pimps who dope up their prostitutes to control them, etc.
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* Why did Harry manage to survive his [[BoomHeadshot Headshot]], you wonder? Because remember Valentine hated death and blood, and if you watch closely, he flinched when he shot, so the possibility of him missing the shot is high in and of itself.

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* Why did Harry manage to survive his [[BoomHeadshot Headshot]], you wonder? Because remember Valentine hated death and blood, and if you watch closely, he looked away and flinched when he shot, so the possibility of him missing the shot is high in and of itself.
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That's unfair to all three parties. Eggsy and Harry are still very skilled and tough even when worn out.


* Though it's frequently invoked as an example of how tough Statesmen are compared to Kingsmen, the final fight of Whiskey v. Eggsy and Harry makes a lot of sense - and not because Statesmen are better fighters. Both Harry and Eggsy had just been through multiple major fights in the past 15 minutes, and both were in one-on-one slugfests. Both would have been absolutely exhausted by that point, and pain would've been setting in as adrenaline began to wear off. The fact that Whiskey wasn't able to mop the floor with two totally wrung-out Kingsmen is really an indictment of his fighting ability, not something to boast about. Like much of his appearance, bringing his portrayal full circle [[note]]No pun.[[/note]] and showing he really was bluster and tricks over actual ability.

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* Though it's frequently invoked as an example of how tough Statesmen are compared to Kingsmen, the final fight of Whiskey v. Eggsy and Harry makes a lot of sense - and not because Statesmen are better fighters. Both Harry and Eggsy had just been through multiple major fights in the past 15 minutes, and both were in one-on-one slugfests. Both would have been absolutely exhausted by that point, and pain would've been setting in as adrenaline began to wear off. The fact that Whiskey wasn't able to mop the floor with two totally wrung-out Kingsmen is really an indictment of his fighting ability, not something to boast about. Like much of his appearance, bringing his portrayal full circle [[note]]No pun.[[/note]] and showing he really was bluster and tricks over actual ability.
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** The novelisation includes a brief reference to that; after he and Harry have destroyed the robot dog, Harry reflects that he always liked Elton's music and is glad to learn that the man wasn't a Valentine supporter after all.
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The Statesman example doesn't work; the brewery was founded in 1863, but it's stated in-film that the founder was inspired by Kingsman itself, so the actual agency was probably formed after WWI, much like Kingsman existed as a tailor's since 1849 but only became a spy agency in 1919


* Statesman, like Kingsman, is an independent spy agency dedicated to the stability of the world rather than one nation's place in it. It was also founded in Kentucky, 1863-- that is, smack dab in the middle of the American Civil War. The American Civil War is one of the main contenders for the title of "the first modern war", with body counts, disfigurements, and ecological damage far greater than ever seen before, not to mention the damage done to the American psyche that still lingers. Kingsman was founded in an attempt to ensure the hell of World War I was never repeated. Statesman had the same purpose brought on by a different war.
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* Poppy feeds Angel his friend's minced remains. Consuming human flesh massively increases your chances of developing a prion disease, since it's possible that a person has prions but isn't symptomatic yet. There's no way Poppy would be able to use a grill hot enough to denature a prion. It's very unlikely that she wouldn't know about the risk... proving that she really, really doesn't care about her henchmen.

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* Poppy feeds Angel his friend's minced remains. Consuming human flesh massively increases your chances (however small if the human in question was healthy) of developing a prion disease, since it's possible that a person has prions but isn't symptomatic yet. There's no way Poppy would be able to use a grill hot enough to denature a prion. It's very unlikely that she wouldn't know about the risk... proving that she really, really doesn't care about her henchmen.
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** It also helps that, in the first movie, nobody actually checked to make sure he was dead.
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** ...at which point they'd realise he must be some kind of spy with all the gadgets and gear he probably has on him, as well as just plain wondering who he is that managed to find them in their secret headquarters. The minute they got close enough to figure that out, they'd start combing the trees for any backup he might have brought. Either way, Eggsy and Harry would've been found eventually, and as said above, they don't have the time for these things
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** Even worse. Those assuming he was killed ''and'' was one of the celebrities abducted by Valentine probably thought he was one of those who approved Valentine's plan.
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* Though it's frequently invoked as an example of how tough Statesmen are compared to Kingsmen, the final fight of Whiskey v. Eggsy and Harry makes a lot of sense - and not because Statesmen are better fighters. Both Harry and Eggsy had just been through multiple major fights in the past 15 minutes, and both were in one-on-one slugfests. Both would have been absolutely exhausted by that point, and pain would've been setting in as adrenaline began to wear off. The fact that Whiskey wasn't able to mop the floor with two totally wrung-out Kingsmen is really an indictment of his fighting ability, not something to boast about. Like much of his appearance, bringing his portrayal full circle [[note]]No pun.[[/note]] and showing he really was bluster and tricks over actual ability.

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* How does Tequila know that he can use Eggsy's watch to stun him? Because Statesman had already encountered a man in similar attire who was wearing a watch with that functionality. In other words, this detail foreshadows the reveal in the next scene.
* Why is Whiskey the one to pull Harry out of the bar fight, while Eggsy and Merlin just sit there and watch him get beaten? Because his friends know perfectly well what Harry ''used'' to be capable of and are expecting him to find his footing soon. Whiskey, on the other hand, does not have that background knowledge, plus he already demonstrated his condescending "watch and learn" attitude in an earlier scene.
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* Statesman, like Kingsman, is an independent spy agency dedicated to the stability of the world rather than one nation's place in it. It was also founded in Kentucky, 1863-- that is, smack dab in the middle of the American Civil War. The American Civil War is one of the main contenders for the title of "the first modern war", with body counts, disfigurements, and ecological damage far greater than ever seen before, not to mention the damage done to the American psyche that still lingers. Kingsman was founded in an attempt to ensure the hell of World War I was never repeated. Statesman had the same purpose brought on by a different war.
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* Why is Fox News featured so prominently in lieu of the traditional news montage with many different sources? 20th Century Fox made the movie and doesn't want to give free publicity/doesn't want the rights to other brands of news. Also, because even Kingsman need a bit of ProductPlacement.

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* Why is Fox News featured so prominently in lieu of the traditional news montage with many different sources? 20th Century Fox made the movie and doesn't want to give free publicity/doesn't want the rights to other brands of news. Also, because even Kingsman need a bit of ProductPlacement.
ProductPlacement, especially product placement related to the Fox brand.
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* Why is Fox News featured so prominently in lieu of the traditional news montage with many different sources? 20th Century Fox made the movie and doesn't want to give free publicity/doesn't want the rights to other brands of news. Also, because even Kingsman need a bit of ProductPlacement.
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* Harry's lack of shooting accuracy could be explained by his lack of depth perception from only having one eye.
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* Why is Fox News featured so prominently in lieu of the traditional news montage with many different sources? 20th Century Fox made the movie and doesn't want to give free publicity/doesn't want the rights to other brands of news.
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* Why did Harry manage to survive his [[BoomHeadshot]], you wonder? Because remember Valentine hated death and blood, and if you watch closely, he flinched when he shot, so the possibility of him missing the shot is high in and of itself.

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* Why did Harry manage to survive his [[BoomHeadshot]], [[BoomHeadshot Headshot]], you wonder? Because remember Valentine hated death and blood, and if you watch closely, he flinched when he shot, so the possibility of him missing the shot is high in and of itself.
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* Why did Harry manage to survive his [[BoomHeadshot]], you wonder? Because remember Valentine hated death and blood, and if you watch closely, he flinched when he shot, so the possibility of him missing the shot is high in and of itself.

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* Poppy's implied psychopathy makes sense given her idiot ball plot moments she couldn't accurately judge what others would do or realise bad decisions by feel.

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** But Merlin could've simply said he stepped on a land mine and gotten the guards to deactivate it to take him in. Considering the other two agents gun down several dozen in a couple of minutes immediately afterwards, was taking down the first six with the mine really necessary?
* Poppy's implied psychopathy makes sense given her idiot ball plot moments she couldn't accurately judge what others would do or realise realize bad decisions by feel.
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* Barack Obama was shown to be one of the people in league with the villains in the first movie. However, The Golden Circle uses a generic, fictional President, rather than real world President Donald Trump. This was probably because the US election was uncertain during filming, but lines up perfectly in-universe. As a billionaire celebrity, the movie 'verse Donald Trump likely ''also'' had his head blow up at the climax of the first movie, well before he could be elected President.

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* Barack Obama was shown to be one of the people in league with the villains in the first movie. However, The Golden Circle uses a generic, fictional President, rather than real world President Donald Trump. This was probably because the US election was uncertain during filming, but lines up perfectly in-universe. As a billionaire celebrity, the movie 'verse Donald Trump likely ''also'' had his head blow up at the climax of the first movie, well before he could be elected President. That, or he (along with Hillary) was attacked by armed Secret Service agents...
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* A FlashBack shows Tequila was the first one into the church Kentucky to investigate the aftermath of Valentine's sim card-carried HatePlague test... most of which Harry killed with his bare hands. He knows, more than any other Statesman, that the survivor is a walking ''buzzsaw.'' This explains why he's so suspicious of the Kingsmen when they showed up, and fully prepared to shoot Harry through the two-way mirror; he's been nervous about that guy for the past ''year.'' He's also revealed [[spoiler:to be a drug user when he gets the Blue Veins]]; after seeing all of ''that'', he's probably started using just to keep his nerves calm because in his experience, only a Statesman can do that kind of damage, and ''no-one'' knows who the hell Harry is. All of this could also explain the relative lack of judgement from his fellow Statesmen for the aforementioned actions. He's a bit unstable, but he's got more reason than most, and is still good enough to beat the crap out of Eggsy and Merlin at the same time. That's a ''lot'' of justification for a guy who [[spoiler:spends most of the film in medical or in a cryogenic tube]]..

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* A FlashBack shows Tequila was the first one into the church Kentucky to investigate the aftermath of Valentine's sim card-carried HatePlague test... most of which Harry killed with his bare hands. He knows, more than any other Statesman, that the survivor is a walking ''buzzsaw.'' This explains why he's so suspicious of the Kingsmen when they showed up, and fully prepared to shoot Harry through the two-way mirror; he's been nervous about that guy for the past ''year.'' He's also revealed [[spoiler:to be a drug user when he gets the Blue Veins]]; after seeing all of ''that'', he's probably started using just to keep his nerves calm because in his experience, only a Statesman can do that kind of damage, and ''no-one'' knows who the hell Harry is. All of this could also explain the relative lack of judgement from his fellow Statesmen for the aforementioned actions. He's a bit unstable, but he's got more reason than most, and is still good enough to beat the crap out of Eggsy and Merlin at the same time. That's a ''lot'' of justification for a guy who [[spoiler:spends most of the film in medical or in a cryogenic tube]]..tube]].

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* A FlashBack shows Tequila was the first one into the church Kentucky to investigate the aftermath of Valentine's sim card-carried HatePlague test... most of which Harry killed with his bare hands. He knows, more than any other Statesman, that the survivor is a walking ''buzzsaw.'' This explains why he's so suspicious of the Kingsmen when they showed up, and fully prepared to shoot Harry through the two-way mirror; he's been nervous about that guy for the past ''year.'' He's also revealed [[spoiler:to be a drug user when he gets the Blue Veins]]; after seeing all of ''that'', he's probably started using just to keep his nerves calm because in his experience, only a Statesman can do that kind of damage, and ''no-one'' knows who the hell Harry is. All of this could also explain the relative lack of judgement from his fellow Statesmen for the aforementioned actions. He's a bit unstable, but he's got more reason than most, and is still good enough to beat the crap out of Eggsy and Merlin at the same time. That's a ''lot'' of justification for a guy who [[spoiler:spends most of the film in medical or in a cryogenic tube]]..



* Tequila is revealed [[spoiler: to be a drug user when he gets the Blue Veins]]. A FlashBack also shows that he was the first one into the church in Kentucky to investigate the aftermath of Valentine's sim card handiwork. One wonders if the two details are related. This could also explain the relative lack of judgement from his fellow Statesmen when the former is discovered.

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* Tequila is revealed [[spoiler: to be a drug user when he gets the Blue Veins]]. A FlashBack also shows that he was the first one into the church in Kentucky to investigate the aftermath of Valentine's sim card handiwork. One wonders if the two details are related. This could also explain the relative lack of judgement from his fellow Statesmen when the former is discovered.
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** ForTheEvulz, I reckon.
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** Plus, these people do still have to pee and poop. Imagine that.
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** One wonders how the American political landscape will look now given the events of ''this'' movie. [[spoiler:Probably a rise in third parties now that both sides were proven corrupt]]

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