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** Noticeably, by the end of the episode, Nardole is shown waiting for the Doctor after some times has passed, which would mean months, if not years (or more) passed in the Cybermen's floor, without any attack. He states that's because they'll take a while to reform, but what if actually the Master took them all with himself?

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** Noticeably, by the end of the episode, Nardole is shown waiting for the Doctor after some times time has passed, which would mean months, if not years (or more) passed in the Cybermen's floor, without any attack. He states that's because they'll take a while to reform, but what if actually the Master took them all with himself?
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* It is noted in "The Pilot" that Bill and Heather's names are references to William Hartnell and his wife. In hindsight this is foreshadowing the 1st Doctor, originally played by Hartnell, appearing at the end of the series.

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** Noticeably, by the end of the episode, Nardole is shown waiting for the Doctor after some times has passed, wich would mean months, if not years (or more) passed in the cybermen's floor, without any attack. He states that's because they'll take a while to reform, but what if actually the Master took them all with himself?
** Alternately, it's possible that the conflict on 507 actually wiped out ''all'' the Cybermen in one massive TotalPartyKill. Given that in the last look we had of 1056, it was ''children'' who were being converted, the residents there may have upgraded their entire population and thus, been left with no capacity to reproduce. Which would explain why they were so very determined to invade 507: they had nobody left to convert back home.

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** Noticeably, by the end of the episode, Nardole is shown waiting for the Doctor after some times has passed, wich which would mean months, if not years (or more) passed in the cybermen's Cybermen's floor, without any attack. He states that's because they'll take a while to reform, but what if actually the Master took them all with himself?
** Alternately, it's possible that the conflict on 507 actually wiped out ''all'' the Cybermen in one massive TotalPartyKill. Given that in the last look we had of 1056, it was ''children'' who were being converted, the residents there may have upgraded their entire population and thus, been left with no capacity to reproduce. Which would explain why they were so very determined to invade 507: they had nobody left to convert back home.
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** And he's just lost both his companions, so this time he'll have to do it alone. And we ''know'' that facing rebirth as a new self of uncertain worthiness without a MoralityPet to keep him grounded was one of Twelve's worst fears from day one.



* The First Doctor was the original incarnation of the Doctor's first regeneration cycle. The Twelfth Doctor is the first incarnation of the Doctor's new regeneration cycle. And the First Doctor regenerated because he let his original body "wear a bit thin"... something it seems the Twelfth Doctor is in danger of doing as well. In sort, both Doctors had the same kind of difficulty in letting go of their original incarnation and allowing a new Doctor to take over. No wonder the TARDIS brought the latter to see the former...
* The Doctor kept insisting he would save Bill, but there was no way to save her from the cyber-conversion. And she knew it. (Rule 1: the Doctor lies.) Although in this case, he wasn't lying, he just wasn't ''right'', either.
** Or, possibly, he ''was'' lying. It's Bill's tear that gave him hope, since it wasn't possible. He might have made the connection with the Pilot, like Bill did in hindsight. Thus, he'd have been lying, about ''who'' (or what) would have saved her, in this case.
** Or he had ''plenty'' of ideas as to how to undo the conversion (such as the nano-tech from "The Empty Child"); it's just that they would have to get to the TARDIS to put them into action, and circumstances got in the way.

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* The First Doctor was the original incarnation of the Doctor's first regeneration cycle. The Twelfth Doctor is the first incarnation of the Doctor's new regeneration cycle. And the First Doctor regenerated because he let his original body "wear a bit thin"... something it seems the Twelfth Doctor is in danger of doing as well. In sort, both Doctors had the same kind of difficulty in letting go of their original incarnation and allowing a new Doctor to take over. No wonder the TARDIS brought the latter to see the former...
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* The Doctor kept insisting he would save Bill, but there was no way to save her from the cyber-conversion.Cyber-conversion. And she knew it. (Rule 1: the Doctor lies.) Although in this case, he wasn't lying, he just wasn't ''right'', either.
** Or, possibly, he ''was'' lying. It's Bill's tear that gave him hope, since it wasn't possible. He might have made the connection with the Pilot, like Bill did in hindsight. Thus, he'd have been lying, about ''who'' (or what) would have saved her, in this case.
** Or he had ''plenty'' of ideas as to how to undo the conversion (such as the nano-tech from "The Empty Child"); it's just that they would have to get to the TARDIS to put them into action, and circumstances got in the way.
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** She might even have been hoping he'd get ''used'' to having a DistaffCounterpart, a position she could assume when Clara inevitably died.
* Mondasian Cybermen being flight-capable seems like an incongruity ... unless one considers that Missy may have ''gotten the idea'' to give her own batch of Cybermen that ability from fragmentary memories of having seen them as Saxon. The ''real'' inventors of flying Cybermen would be the surgeon-engineers of level 1056, which gave them that ability so they could penetrate the levels without having to use up shuttlecrafts or pass through the tactical bottleneck of the lifts.

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** She might even have been hoping he'd get ''used'' to having a DistaffCounterpart, a position she could assume when Clara inevitably died.
* Mondasian Cybermen being flight-capable seems like an incongruity ... incongruity unless one considers that Missy may have ''gotten the idea'' to give her own batch of Cybermen that ability from fragmentary memories of having seen them as Saxon. The ''real'' inventors of flying Cybermen would be the surgeon-engineers of level 1056, which gave them that ability so they could penetrate the levels without having to use up shuttlecrafts or pass through the tactical bottleneck of the lifts.



** Or maybe, if the Master and Rassilon are also considered as examples of life-limit-breakers, regenerating more than twelve times makes Time Lords ''go crazy''. The Doctor's particular insanity just happens to have manifested as world-weary despair, not Rassilon's megalomania or the Master's batshit-insane supervillain schtick.
* The Doctor says that Cybermen exist whenever people are desperate enough to survive that they begin mutilating and cybernetically enhancing themselves. Beyond Cybermen proper, this description could include the Toclafane and even the Daleks!
** Indeed, had Davros not already invented a transport chair and artificial eye for his own use, and incorporated those elements into his "travel machines", the ''Kaleds'' might have become Cybermen instead of Daleks!

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** Or maybe, if the Master and Rassilon are also considered as examples of life-limit-breakers, regenerating more than twelve times makes Time Lords ''go crazy''. The Doctor's particular insanity just happens to have manifested as world-weary despair, not Rassilon's megalomania or the Master's batshit-insane supervillain schtick.
* The Doctor says that Cybermen exist whenever people are desperate enough to survive that they begin mutilating and cybernetically enhancing themselves. Beyond Cybermen proper, this description could include the Toclafane and even the Daleks!
** Indeed, had Davros not already invented a transport chair and artificial eye for his own use, and incorporated those elements into his "travel machines", the ''Kaleds'' might have become Cybermen instead of Daleks!
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** And it's not just limited to the Franchise/{{Whoniverse}}; we've got cybernetic prosthetics from ''Franchise/StarWars'', T-800s and other models from ''Franchise/{{Terminator}}'', ''Franchise/{{Robocop}}'', the Borgs from ''Franchise/StarTrek'', and ''many'' other examples. It's not an AuthorsSavingThrow; it's LeaningOnTheFourthWall to an almost ridiculous degree.



* Ok, let's start with the obvious, [[JokerImmunity we know the Master will come back]], but this time Moffat might have left a good head start for the new writer. After all, Missy showed that adventure left some kind of impulse in her, even if she has no memory, that's why she had the spare part needed even if she didn't remember what happened to her TARDIS. So, even if she doesn't remember exactly when and how Saxon will kill her, she is likely to have something to get around the "full blast" issue.
* The Doctor is refusing to regenerate, over and over, carrying on what he feels needs to be done despite what is apparently quite painful injuries. Well, this ''is'' the Doctor who dragged himself through a day and a half of agony, several ''billion'' times, until he finally self-destructed, in order to do what he felt needed to be done to save Clara. Living on, carrying on, despite fatal injuries is something he has a ''lot'' of experience at!

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* Ok, let's start with the obvious, [[JokerImmunity we know the Master will come back]], but this time Moffat might have left a good head start for the new writer. After all, Missy showed that adventure left some kind of impulse in her, even if she has no memory, that's why she had the spare part needed even if she didn't remember what happened to her TARDIS. So, even if she doesn't remember exactly when and how Saxon will kill her, she is likely to have something to get around the "full blast" issue.
* The Doctor is refusing to regenerate, over and over, carrying on what he feels needs to be done despite what is apparently quite painful injuries. Well, this This ''is'' the Doctor who dragged himself through a day and a half of agony, several ''billion'' times, times until he finally self-destructed, self-destructed in order to do what he felt needed to be done to save Clara. Living on, carrying on, despite fatal injuries is something he has a ''lot'' of experience at!



* The Saxon Master deciding to kill Missy instead of letting her join the Doctor seems unusual for someone who valued his own life more than anything else... then again, this is exactly what he already did in ''Last of the Time Lords'': letting himself die instead of regenerating and joining with the Doctor, who was begging him to. It seem this incarnation of the Master does value pissing off the Doctor more than his own life.
* Bill waited for ten years while the Doctor gave his explanation of time dilation and finally got moving to go rescue her. He missed her by twenty minutes according to the Master. But, it's pretty clear that ''that'' was only because the Master waited until they were on their way down before setting Bill up for conversion. In fact, by delaying so long, the Doctor made it possible for the development of the pain suppressor, so if he hadn't talked before going, she would have been converted with an older technique, perhaps one she would not have been able to resist so well. The pain suppressor at least made sure she didn't suffer nearly as much as she could have.

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* The Saxon Master deciding to kill Missy instead of letting her join the Doctor seems unusual for someone who valued his own life more than anything else... then else. Then again, this is exactly what he already did in ''Last of the Time Lords'': Lords'' - letting himself die instead of regenerating and joining with the Doctor, who was begging him to. It seem seems this incarnation of the Master does value pissing off annoying the Doctor more than his own life.
* Bill waited for ten years while the Doctor gave his explanation of time dilation and finally got moving to go rescue her. He missed her by twenty minutes according to the Master. But, it's pretty clear that ''that'' it was only because the Master waited until they were on their way down before setting Bill up for conversion. In fact, by delaying so long, the Doctor made it possible for the development of the pain suppressor, so if he hadn't talked before going, she would have been converted with an older technique, perhaps one she would not have been able to resist so well. The pain suppressor at least made sure she didn't suffer nearly as much as she could have.



* Remember how the Master noted the Valeyard was born after the Doctor's twelfth incarnation? Provided that we're going by incarnations who call themselves Doctor, and the Doctor is repeatedly halting his regeneration, what side effect is all that going to have? Other things to take in to consideration: the Doctor's regeneration energy has been siphoned once before and he was concerned it would hinder the process later, and the Doctor up and died this time around and was forcefully brought back to life.
* It's not likely that big battle took out even ''half'' the Cybermen. Eventually, they'll find that floor Nardole and the survivors fled to. What then?
** The Doctor actually ''acknowledges'' that they might not live for much longer under the circumstances in his speech to the two Masters, but they simply have no better alternatives and it's kinder to at least give them a chance to live than to give up and let them get upgraded and/or killed.
* The Master's first query about the Doctor's previous experiences dying was "Have you... burned?" [[Recap/DoctorWhoS35E11HeavenSent Talk about]] AskAStupidQuestion!
** Not only that, but Missy's first query is "Have you felt the blade?" By the episode's end, we ''actually see'' why she thought of that particular mode of dying, first! [[spoiler: While she may not remember getting stabbed, she'd ''certainly'' remember waking up on the floor of her TARDIS, post-regeneration, dressed in the Master's bloodied clothing with an obvious knife-hole in the back of them.]]

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* Remember how the Master noted the Valeyard was born after the Doctor's twelfth incarnation? Provided that we're going by incarnations who call themselves Doctor, and the Doctor is repeatedly halting his regeneration, what side effect is all that going to have? Other things to take in to consideration: the Doctor's regeneration energy has been siphoned once before and he was concerned it would hinder the process later, and the Doctor up and died this time around and was forcefully brought back to life.
* It's not likely that big battle took out even ''half'' the Cybermen. Eventually, they'll find that floor Nardole and the survivors fled to. What then? \n** The Doctor actually ''acknowledges'' that they might not live for much longer under the circumstances in his speech to the two Masters, but they simply have no better alternatives and it's kinder to at least give them a chance to live than to give up and let them get upgraded and/or killed.\n
* The Master's first query about the Doctor's previous experiences dying was "Have you... you burned?" [[Recap/DoctorWhoS35E11HeavenSent Talk about]] AskAStupidQuestion!
** Not only that, but Missy's first query is "Have you felt the blade?" By the episode's end, we ''actually see'' why she thought of that particular mode of dying, first! [[spoiler: While she may not remember getting stabbed, she'd ''certainly'' remember waking up on the floor of her TARDIS, post-regeneration, dressed in the Master's bloodied clothing with an obvious knife-hole in the back of them.]]
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* Maybe Missy bringing Clara into the Doctor's life wasn't a malicious act. Missy states that she is much more empathetic than Saxon, so giving him a DistaffCounterpart would be her crazy way of extending an olive branch. (Like buying him [[Recaps/DoctorWhoS35E1TheMagiciansApprentice a puppy]].)

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* Maybe Missy bringing Clara into the Doctor's life wasn't a malicious act. Missy states that she is much more empathetic than Saxon, so giving him a DistaffCounterpart would be her crazy way of extending an olive branch. (Like buying him [[Recaps/DoctorWhoS35E1TheMagiciansApprentice [[Recap/DoctorWhoS35E1TheMagiciansApprentice a puppy]].)
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* While it seems like the Saxon Master coldly declines any opportunity of redemption; his next chronological appearance shows him (as Missy) creating an army of Cybermen for the Doctor to use. So maybe the speech did get through to him.
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** The Ice Warriors were also the desperate inhabitants of a dying, drying world who partially converted themselves with cybernetic shells, though they didn't lose their emotions (though we never see a baseline Martian). Notably the cybernetic armor was specifically brought up in the recent ''Empress of Mars''.
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* When Twelve is doing his BadassBoast and listing off all the places he's beaten the Cybermen before, he's creating a StableTimeLoop and giving them a list of potential targets.

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* It's not likely that big battle took out even ''half'' the Cybermen.. Eventually, they'll find that floor Nardole and the survivors fled to. What then?

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* It's not likely that big battle took out even ''half'' the Cybermen..Cybermen. Eventually, they'll find that floor Nardole and the survivors fled to. What then? then?
** The Doctor actually ''acknowledges'' that they might not live for much longer under the circumstances in his speech to the two Masters, but they simply have no better alternatives and it's kinder to at least give them a chance to live than to give up and let them get upgraded and/or killed.
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* Bill waited for ten years while the Doctor gave his explanation of time dilation and finally got moving to go rescue her. He missed her by twenty minutes according to the Master. But, it's pretty clear that ''that'' was only because the Master waited until they were on their way down before setting Bill up for conversion. In fact, by delaying so long, the Doctor made it possible for the development of the pain suppressor, so if he hadn't talked before going, she would have been converted with an older technique, perhaps one she would not have been able to resist so well. The pain suppressor at least made sure she didn't suffer nearly as much as she could have.

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** The AffablyEvil A.I. Seb, Missy's right-hand "man" in the Nethersphere, effectively has the same function as Saxon's Mr. Razor masquerade in leading the souls of the dead to delete their emotions and become Cybermen; perhaps she got the idea for Seb from her previous self's actions?

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** Alternately, it's possible that the conflict on 507 actually wiped out ''all'' the Cybermen in one massive TotalPartyKill. Given that in the last look we had of 1056, it was ''children'' who were being converted, the residents there may have upgraded their entire population and thus, been left with no capacity to reproduce. Which would explain why they were so very determined to invade 507: they had nobody left to convert back home.
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The AffablyEvil A.I. Seb, Missy's right-hand "man" in the Nethersphere, effectively has the same function as Saxon's Mr. Razor masquerade in leading the souls of the dead to delete their emotions and become Cybermen; perhaps she got the idea for Seb from her previous self's actions?
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** And he's just lost both his companions, so this time he'll have to do it alone. And we ''know'' that facing rebirth as a new self of uncertain moral worthiness was one of Twelve's worst fears from day one.

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** And he's just lost both his companions, so this time he'll have to do it alone. And we ''know'' that facing rebirth as a new self of uncertain moral worthiness without a MoralityPet to keep him grounded was one of Twelve's worst fears from day one.
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** And he's just lost both his companions, so this time he'll have to do it alone.

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** And he's just lost both his companions, so this time he'll have to do it alone. And we ''know'' that facing rebirth as a new self of uncertain moral worthiness was one of Twelve's worst fears from day one.
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** Or maybe, if the Master and Rassilon are also considered as examples of life-limit-breakers, regenerating more than twelve times makes Time Lords ''go crazy''. The Doctor's particular insanity just happens to have manifested as world-weary despair, not Rassilon's megalomania or the Master's batshit-insane supervillain schtick.
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** Not only that, but Missy's first query is "Have you felt the blade?" By the episode's end, we ''actually see'' why she thought of that particular mode of dying, first! [[spoiler: While she may not remember getting stabbed, she'd ''certainly'' remember waking up on the floor of her TARDIS, post-regeneration, dressed in the Master's bloodied clothing with an obvious knife-hole in the back of them!]]

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** Not only that, but Missy's first query is "Have you felt the blade?" By the episode's end, we ''actually see'' why she thought of that particular mode of dying, first! [[spoiler: While she may not remember getting stabbed, she'd ''certainly'' remember waking up on the floor of her TARDIS, post-regeneration, dressed in the Master's bloodied clothing with an obvious knife-hole in the back of them!]]them.]]
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** Not only that, but Missy's first query is "Have you felt the blade?" By the episode's end, we ''actually see'' why she thought of that particular mode of dying, first!

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** Not only that, but Missy's first query is "Have you felt the blade?" By the episode's end, we ''actually see'' why she thought of that particular mode of dying, first!first! [[spoiler: While she may not remember getting stabbed, she'd ''certainly'' remember waking up on the floor of her TARDIS, post-regeneration, dressed in the Master's bloodied clothing with an obvious knife-hole in the back of them!]]
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** Not only that, but Missy's first query is "Have you felt the blade?" By the episode's end, we ''actually see'' why she thought of that particular mode of dying, first!

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** Not only that, but Missy's first query is "Have you felt the blade?" By the episode's end, we ''actually see'' why she thought of that particular mode of dying, first!first!
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** Not only that, but Missy's first query is "Have you felt the blade?" By the episode's end, we ''actually see why she thought of that first!''
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** Not only that, but Missy's first query is "Have you felt the blade?" By the episode's end, we ''actually see why she thought of that first!''
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** Or he had ''plenty'' of ideas as to how to undo the conversion (such as the nano-tech from "The Empty Child"); it's just that they would have to get to the TARDIS to put them into action, and circumstances got in the way.
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** The AffablyEvil A.I. Seb, Missy's right-hand "man" in the Nethersphere, effectively has the same function as Saxon's Mr. Razor masquerade in leading the souls of the dead to delete their emotions and become Cybermen; perhaps she got the idea for Seb from her previous self's actions?
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* The Master's first query about the Doctor's previous experiences dying was "Have you... burned?" [[Recap/DoctorWhoS35E11HeavenSent Talk about]] AskAStupidQuestion....

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* The Master's first query about the Doctor's previous experiences dying was "Have you... burned?" [[Recap/DoctorWhoS35E11HeavenSent Talk about]] AskAStupidQuestion....AskAStupidQuestion!
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* The Master's first query about the Doctor's previous experiences dying was "Have you... burned?"

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* The Master's first query about the Doctor's previous experiences dying was "Have you... burned?" [[Recap/DoctorWhoS35E11HeavenSent Talk about]] AskAStupidQuestion....
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