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* An awful realization occurs when watching Clara's death upon viewing the followup episode, "Hell Bent". [[spoiler: We now know that between her last two heartbeats, Clara is pulled out of time by the Doctor and goes on to live an untold number of years/centuries/millennia as a functionally immortal time traveller, experiencing untold adventures, friendships, and other experiences. ''Something'' will eventually make her decide to return to Gallifrey and be placed back into her timeline. There is no way to avoid the implication that we are, therefore, witnessing Clara Oswald committing suicide. What would drive her to eventually choose to end her life is a mystery that may or may not ever be chronicled officially. But it makes the death of Clara in this episode infinitely sadder, and disturbing. Which adds a whole new spin to the way she takes a last breath in, just before the black smoke of the quantum shade flows out of her mouth. Assuming she eventually gave up the habit of doing so when she wasn't needing to talk, that isn't just the last breath of her life: it's one of the ''first'' spontaneous breaths she's taken in who-knows-how-many years. Whether intentional on the actress' part or not, looking closely at her face one can almost see Clara experiencing a moment of pleasure as she breathes in, which in retrospect could explain the serene look on her face as she collapses despite her having cried out in agony a moment earlier. Compare to the old man who decidedly does ''not'' look this way after he's killed.

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* An awful realization occurs when watching Clara's death upon viewing the followup episode, "Hell Bent". [[spoiler: We now know that between her last two heartbeats, Clara is pulled out of time by the Doctor and goes on to live an untold number of years/centuries/millennia as a functionally immortal time traveller, experiencing untold adventures, friendships, and other experiences. ''Something'' will eventually make her decide to return to Gallifrey and be placed back into her timeline. ]] There is no way to avoid the implication that we are, therefore, witnessing Clara Oswald committing suicide. What would drive her to eventually choose to end her life is a mystery that may or may not ever be chronicled officially. But it makes the death of Clara in this episode infinitely sadder, and disturbing. Which adds a whole new spin to the way she takes a last breath in, just before the black smoke of the quantum shade flows out of her mouth. Assuming she eventually gave up the habit of doing so when she wasn't needing to talk, that isn't just the last breath of her life: it's one of the ''first'' spontaneous breaths she's taken in who-knows-how-many years. Whether intentional on the actress' part or not, looking closely at her face one can almost see Clara experiencing a moment of pleasure as she breathes in, which in retrospect could explain the serene look on her face as she collapses despite her having cried out in agony a moment earlier. Compare to the old man who decidedly does ''not'' look this way after he's killed.
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* Ashildr is going to spend the rest of her existence wondering, waiting, ''fearing'' that the Doctor is going to come back for her. And he knows it. He doesn't ''have'' to take revenge on her... because her fear of him ''possibly'' doing so is enough - she'll never have another night of peace again, because he could be waiting for her in every room, behind every door, ''anywhere and any when'' for all of time and space, for all of existence; the Doctor, angry, hurt and furious.]]

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* Ashildr is going to spend the rest of her existence wondering, waiting, ''fearing'' that the Doctor is going to come back for her. And he knows it. He doesn't ''have'' to take revenge on her... because her fear of him ''possibly'' doing so is enough - she'll never have another night of peace again, because he could be waiting for her in every room, behind every door, ''anywhere and any when'' for all of time and space, for all of existence; the Doctor, angry, hurt and furious.]]
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* An awful realization occurs when watching Clara's death upon viewing the followup episode, "Hell Bent". [[spoiler: We now know that between her last two heartbeats, Clara is pulled out of time by the Doctor and goes on to live an untold number of years/centuries/millennia as a functionally immortal time traveller, experiencing untold adventures, friendships, and other experiences. ''Something'' will eventually make her decide to return to Gallifrey and be placed back into her timeline. There is no way to avoid the implication that we are, therefore, witnessing Clara Oswald committing suicide. What would drive her to eventually choose to end her life is a mystery that may or may not ever be chronicled officially. But it makes the death of Clara in this episode infinitely sadder, and disturbing. Which adds a whole new spin to the way she takes a last breath in, just before the black smoke of the quantum shade flows out of her mouth. Assuming she eventually gave up the habit of doing so when she wasn't needing to talk, that isn't just the last breath of her life: it's one of the ''first'' spontaneous breaths she's taken in who-knows-how-many years. Whether intentional on the actress' part or not, looking closely at her face one can almost see Clara experiencing a moment of pleasure as she breathes in, which in retrospect could explain the serene look on her face as she collapses despite her having cried out in agony a moment earlier. Compare to the old man who decidedly does ''not'' look this way after he's killed.]]

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* An awful realization occurs when watching Clara's death upon viewing the followup episode, "Hell Bent". [[spoiler: We now know that between her last two heartbeats, Clara is pulled out of time by the Doctor and goes on to live an untold number of years/centuries/millennia as a functionally immortal time traveller, experiencing untold adventures, friendships, and other experiences. ''Something'' will eventually make her decide to return to Gallifrey and be placed back into her timeline. There is no way to avoid the implication that we are, therefore, witnessing Clara Oswald committing suicide. What would drive her to eventually choose to end her life is a mystery that may or may not ever be chronicled officially. But it makes the death of Clara in this episode infinitely sadder, and disturbing. Which adds a whole new spin to the way she takes a last breath in, just before the black smoke of the quantum shade flows out of her mouth. Assuming she eventually gave up the habit of doing so when she wasn't needing to talk, that isn't just the last breath of her life: it's one of the ''first'' spontaneous breaths she's taken in who-knows-how-many years. Whether intentional on the actress' part or not, looking closely at her face one can almost see Clara experiencing a moment of pleasure as she breathes in, which in retrospect could explain the serene look on her face as she collapses despite her having cried out in agony a moment earlier. Compare to the old man who decidedly does ''not'' look this way after he's killed.killed.
* Ashildr is going to spend the rest of her existence wondering, waiting, ''fearing'' that the Doctor is going to come back for her. And he knows it. He doesn't ''have'' to take revenge on her... because her fear of him ''possibly'' doing so is enough - she'll never have another night of peace again, because he could be waiting for her in every room, behind every door, ''anywhere and any when'' for all of time and space, for all of existence; the Doctor, angry, hurt and furious.
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* Ashildr is damn lucky that Twelve has a ''great'' deal of restraint and cared deeply for Clara and thus listened to her final words. The Doctor hasn't had an ongoing companion killed in action since at least War (in comic books), and/or Five (who lost companion Adric[[note]]Kamelion was an android that appeared only briefly and as such barely counted as a companion[[/note]]). Ten put it bluntly - harm someone he cares about and it is not a safe place to stand. Ashildr pushed four of The Doctor's {{BerserkButton}}s (endangering an innocent, trying to put him in a trap, making him regret saving her life, and then capping it with a dead Companion) in the space of less than five minutes. Add her being a tyrant over her little corner of the world - The Doctor has little patience for tyrants. Clara knew The Doctor does have a nasty streak and her last action was trying to talk him out of using it. A less restrained or ethical incarnation, like Six or Seven, would only keep a promise not to rain hell as long as Clara was breathing - then all bets would be ''completely'' off the instant she wasn't.

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* Ashildr is damn lucky that Twelve has a ''great'' deal of restraint and cared deeply for Clara and thus listened to her final words. The Doctor hasn't had an ongoing companion killed in action since at least War (in comic books), and/or Five (who lost companion Adric[[note]]Kamelion was an android that appeared only briefly and as such barely counted as a companion[[/note]]). Ten put it bluntly - harm someone he cares about and it is not a safe place to stand. Ashildr pushed four of really angered The Doctor's {{BerserkButton}}s (endangering Doctor by endangering an innocent, trying to put him in a trap, making him regret saving her life, and then capping it with a dead Companion) Companion in the space of less than five minutes. Add her being a tyrant over her little corner of the world - The Doctor has little patience for tyrants. Clara knew The Doctor does have a nasty streak and her last action was trying to talk him out of using it. A less restrained or ethical incarnation, like Six or Seven, would only keep a promise not to rain hell as long as Clara was breathing - then all bets would be ''completely'' off the instant she wasn't.
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** The series also established the fact that she viewed travelling with the Doctor as an addiction. And thrill-seekers addicted to the adrenaline rush - and drug addicts looking for greater highs - sometimes do push themselves too far, often with fatal consequences

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** The series also established the fact that she viewed travelling with the Doctor as an addiction. And thrill-seekers addicted to the adrenaline rush - and drug addicts looking for greater highs - sometimes do push themselves too far, often with fatal consequences consequences.
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* The Doctor, the hero of the universe, the savior of all races; and he cannot do anything to save someone he cares about. He can't go back in time and save her. He can't bend the rules. He is powerless. And now he is ''furious''. The Metacrisis showed what a vengeful Doctor looked like. The Dream Lord was a sadistic Doctor, taking delight from seeing his suffering and self doubt. The Time Lord Victorious was a look into the Doctor's psyche, his God complex. And 'Before the Flood' and 'The Girl Who Died' showed how he so desperately wants to change the rules of the game, as he is the last player standing. The only thing the Time Lords feared more than an angry Doctor, was the Valeyard. And this could very well be the straw that broke the Doctor's back and turns him into the Valeyard. For he has lost everything dear to him, and now it is their turn...

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* The Doctor, the hero of the universe, the savior of all races; and he cannot do anything to save someone he cares about. He can't go back in time and save her. He can't bend the rules. He is powerless. And now he is ''furious''. The Metacrisis showed what a vengeful Doctor looked like. The Dream Lord was a sadistic Doctor, taking delight from seeing his suffering and self doubt. The Time Lord Victorious was a look into the Doctor's psyche, his God complex. And 'Before the Flood' and 'The Girl Who Died' showed how he so desperately wants to change the rules of the game, as he is the last player standing. The only thing the Time Lords feared more than an angry Doctor, was the Valeyard. And this could very well be the straw that broke the Doctor's back and turns him into the Valeyard. For he has lost everything dear to him, and now it is their turn... As subsequent episodes prove, [[spoiler: Clara's death and his subsequent torture unlocks elements of ''all'' of these dangerous traits.]]

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* Despite the series adhering to TheILoveYouStigma, there are actually two sound reasons why Clara doesn't utter those words, nor does she allow the Doctor to say them. Note that in the context of the scene, "I love you" would be perfectly appropriate regardless of whether the two's friendship was (per WordOfGod) a romance or purely platonic in nature:
** In "Death in Heaven," Clara promised Danny she would never utter those words to anyone else (her clinical use of the phrase in "The Witch's Familiar" was not addressed to anyone, and she zigzagged on the promise in "Before the Flood" when she challenges the Doctor to prove that "if you love me in any way, you'll come back"). She is keeping to this promise now.
** Knowing what the Doctor is capable of, and seeing him enter a massive FreakOut against Ashildr, Clara devotes ''the rest of her life'' (or at least, what she assumes is to be the rest of her life) to comforting the Doctor and talking him down from raining hell on Ashildr and Trap Street. She succeeds in taking him from shouting fury to quiet sadness and focusing on her rather than revenge. If she had said "I love you" or allowed the Doctor to say it (or anything approaching it), and if they had engaged in anything more intimate than the hug, there is every chance it would have undone all this work, leaving the Doctor in the same desperate fury he was minutes before. And it would have made it more difficult for the two to separate, too. Yes, his fury bubbles over in the next episode ... but for Clara the important thing was he spare Trap Street and Ashildr, which he does, albeit after putting the fear of god into her.

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